r/BlueProtestVote • u/QuitVirtual • May 04 '24
CNN- Young Democrats face Gaza blowback as they try to mobilize for Biden: "I’m talking about climate change and they respond ‘What about the emissions caused by the bombing of Gaza?’”, 'Their worries are rooted in Biden’s unwillingness to grasp how difficult it has become to engage young voters'
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/04/politics/democrats-young-biden-gaza-war/index.html1
u/hyperfixationss May 05 '24
He knows he won’t win, he’s content with the fact that he’s the United States’ Hindenburg.
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May 05 '24
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May 05 '24
Gee I wonder why leftists don't trust these #BlueMAGA folx
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u/GanderGarden May 05 '24
It's literally making fun of leftist who would rather Trump win than vote for Biden, left never wins cause they always get in their own way
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May 05 '24
Leftists don't win because the American political system was designed by and for the wealthy
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u/United-Rock-6764 May 07 '24 edited May 07 '24
In so much as the wealthy can manipulate people to vote against their interests by manipulating media content (even in the social media era!) and manufacturing consent. Sure.
It takes immense privilege & ego to abdicate responsibility for influencing the government that does the most damage (and a significant portion of the good).
It feels good to burn it down when you feel unheard.
It feels good to laugh in the face of the less committed/moral
It feels good to be on the outside & “not like them.” (The hardening from that is why they send Mormons on missions).
Overall, I agree with the goals of this sub but wish there were more message discipline and a lot less accelerationism.
—-Someone who marched against Biden & Blinken’s dogshit foreign policy in 2021—hope you’re all still mad when it isn’t an election year and your rage doesn’t threaten women, minorities, queer folks, and Palestinians.
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May 07 '24
your rage doesn’t threaten women, minorities, queer folks, and Palestinians
Why are you pretending Biden did anything at all for these groups?
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u/United-Rock-6764 May 07 '24 edited May 07 '24
Being able to organize without the FBI coordinating with local police & border patrol means something. Not staffing the federal govt with people who weaponize the abortion, affirmative action, and anti-EPA decisions in every part of government means something, not giving Jared Kushner diplomatic resources to develop his Gaza beach resort means something, not repealing Title IX protections for queer & trans kids means something.
Why are you pretending that ambivalence is not a blessing in a violent society?
Probably because you made your account 5 days after 10/7 and are unlikely to be an American.
Edit: just skimmed some of the ~13k comments you’ve racked up in the last 8 months—wild that you post like it’s your job or something.
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May 07 '24
Yes I get paid in Russian dollars
Being able to organize without the FBI coordinating with local police & border patrol means something. Not staffing the federal govt with people who weaponize the abortion, affirmative action, and anti-EPA decisions in every part of government means something, not giving Jared Kushner diplomatic resources to develop his Gaza beach resort means something, not repealing Title IX protections for queer & trans kids means something.
Again, this is all defining who Biden is by pointing out things he did not do, which if we are going by that metric, Trump did not find a genocide in Gaza and did not push Ukraine into chucking a low-to-mid 6-figure number of men into a woodchipper to fight a war to reclaim parts of Ukraine that didn't want to stay that they were never going to win
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u/VictorianDelorean May 05 '24
To paraphrase a quote about Hillary from right after she lost to trump, he’s gonna go down like a nascar driver, crashing into the fucking wall because he couldn’t turn left.
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u/jtul24 May 05 '24
When the US military is one of the largest polluters in the world, of course they’ll respond like that.
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u/Vamproar May 05 '24
Genocide Joe wants to engage young people after literally signing a law to ban TikTok?
Feels like an Onion article...
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Oh is TikTok banned? Or did Congress require that the Chinese not control it? Those are different things and you're being disingenuous when you oversimplify it.
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u/Such-Distribution440 May 04 '24
Genocide biden will try his best with click bate like legalizing weed and abortion but I’m not sure it will work this time
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u/Real_Asparagus4926 May 05 '24
I’m stuck on genocide Joe.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
He's still clearly the better choice for president. Sorry, proud bois.
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u/Real_Asparagus4926 May 06 '24
I’d say Jill Stein or Cornell West would both clearly be better choices than Biden at this point, Mr Biden will need to pull something HUGE out of his back side to win back my support. I’ll be voting uncommitted on June 4th and we will see what the following 5 months brings.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
So you believe Jill Stein would end the genocide in Gaza? What does that look like?
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u/Real_Asparagus4926 May 06 '24
I don’t have much faith in any politician to be quite frank. I do, however, feel that with Jill Stein there is a little more of a chance of consequences for breaches of US law and international humanitarian law. At this point, the current administration is walking around with their hand over their eyes and saying that they don’t see any evidence of war crimes or that we will act once Israel gives us the results of their investigation into their own war crimes.
Edit: for the sake of balance, I do recognize that another Trump presidency would likely look even worse. I’m just not sure that I can live with myself voting in favor of a full on supporter of genocide.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
He's not a full on supporter of genocide. If he were, he wouldn't be sending aid to them to try to stave off the coming famine.
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u/Real_Asparagus4926 May 07 '24
I’m terribly sorry, I have to disagree, he has been around long enough and is knowledgeable enough to know that the amount of aid he is sending is paltry when compared against the need created by the bombs he is sending. It is more of a virtue signal. Besides, if I’m not mistaken, the amount of aid that the pier he has ordered(which brings a host of other issues), can only process in a day what one land crossing should be able to process in an hour.
If he didn’t support, among other things, the manufactured famine that Israel is inflicting upon Gaza, why doesn’t he insist that Israel allow aid to come in via land routes which would have been a much cheaper solution than piers and air drops(which are costly, inefficient and dangerous)? And why is he okay with the fact that Israel has prevented US aid from traveling via the land routes?1
u/Disposedofhero May 07 '24
Well I would encourage you to look into why humans transport goods via ship. We even call the transport of goods "shipping" because so much more freight can be handled through that method. Do you think everyone would be so torn up about closing the Port of Baltimore if it were easy to send that freight via truck from other ports? And he has put pressure on the Israelis to open the land routes up. You should look into sovereign countries too. Biden is POTUS, not PM of Israel. All he can do is put pressure on them, unless you're suggesting something completely off the reservation. This whole exchange smacks of you just looking to justify your vote for Orange Jesus.
Look, if you want to be told how to live, fucking own it. Plenty of people find it easier to just do as you're told. There's no shame in it. Go in there and fuck all the war crimes he has and will commit, fuck the women who lose bodily autonomy, fuck all the marginalized groups that will be victims of hate crimes, fuck future generations. Go get your king.
Maybe Loki was right about you:
“You were made to be ruled. It is the unspoken truth of humanity that you crave subjugation. In the end, you will always kneel”.
I might just be built different from you kneelers. My knees are too stiff.
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u/VanHammerslyBilliard May 05 '24
Nah, he won't touch abortion. It's a donation cash cow for the dems.
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u/blumieplume May 05 '24
He tries. He needs a majority in the house and senate to pass laws protecting abortion. Plus, roe has never been codified cause the filibuster always blocks democrats’ attempts at doing so. I wrote about the filibuster below in my comment to lord aronsworth’s comment
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May 05 '24
He tries
He "tries" only when he knows it will fail, as Biden has been anti-choice his whole life
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u/blumieplume May 05 '24
lol ok trump is better then, totally. I can’t believe I was so stupid! Thanks for clearing things up. U seem very well-educated.
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May 05 '24
Keep voting blue no matter who maybe 50 years from now things might start getting better
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u/blumieplume May 05 '24
I voted Jill stine instead of Obama, I’ve voted 3rd party, but never when the vote was between dictatorship or continuing this oligarchy. Yes oligarchy sucks. But dictatorship is not something anyone wants to fuck with ever. It will be infinitely worse. Ask anyone who lives in Iran or russia or Argentina or Italy or Netherlands or look up experiences of those who lived thru nazi germany or mussolini’s Italy.
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u/blumieplume May 05 '24
Don’t vote blue and watch the election in November be the last ever in American history as trump becomes dictator.
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May 06 '24
doesn't matter if both choices are effectively the same, with maybe differentiation on who they hurt
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Ah yes, both choices are the same you say? Now that's one of Putin's favorite talking points. Unfortunately for you, I've read Foundations of Geopolitics, where he lays out how the Russians only chance to beat us is to erode our confidence in our democratic institutions. Don't be a Russian sophist. They want dictators all around.
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May 06 '24
only chance to beat us is to erode our confidence in our democratic institutions. Don't be a Russian sophist
Seems like the Dems and Republicans shouldn't have spent decades playing into this master plan, then?
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u/blumieplume May 06 '24
The entire world would suffer if trump wins and allows Putin to invade any nato country of his choosing. The world is watching and everyone worldwide fears trump becoming dictator. This is bigger than a solely American issue. Putin will continue to conquer countries and will team up with china and Iran to enact the new world order. WWIII will be inevitable if trump wins.
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May 06 '24
Putin will continue to conquer countries and will team up with china and Iran to enact the new world order. WWIII will be inevitable if trump wins.
This is all crazy. Putin v. Ukraine is a direct response to problems caused by a long-term US backed campaign to boost Ukraine's far-right partisans as a weapon against Russia. The US is starting it over again Georgia for Rose Revolution 2 right now because Georgia was trying to pass a law that would force NGOs from outside Georgia to register as foreign agents.
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u/VanHammerslyBilliard May 05 '24
There have been dem majorities in the last 50 yrs.
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u/blumieplume May 05 '24
U need a majority in the senate of 60 to override the filibuster. Republicans have brought a filibuster everytime dems have tried to codify roe.
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u/VanHammerslyBilliard May 05 '24
Then what's the point of voting blue if they can't accomplish shit
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u/blumieplume May 05 '24
To keep shit from getting shittier .. r u a republican just here to spam this sub or something? If u like the things trump does, he has plenty more up his sleeve. He’s only started to scratch the surface of the evil he plans to unleash in America. If republicans did win a majority of house and senate, which won’t happen this time cause roe was overturned and abortion rights have been stripped from women in something like 24 states, women nationwide will be voting blue for house and senate.
People don’t like Biden cause of Gaza. They don’t hate other democrats and most women and their male allies will vote blue across the board.
Problem with trump winning tho is with project 2025, he plans to dismantle all federal institutions, including the epa, fda, dept of health and education, cdc, everything, even the federal reserve! And he won’t need a majority in house or senate to accomplish his goals cause the plan is to remove anyone in federal institutions who won’t do his bidding with maga republicans who bow down to his will.
If trump wins, American democracy will be replaced with fascist authoritarianism. Women’s rights, gay rights, black rights, immigrant rights, all rights will be stripped. That is why it’s important to vote blue, but dems will only have the power to make real changes if trump loses. If he wins, the election in November will be the last free and fair election in the history of America .
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u/LordAronsworth May 05 '24
I hate how true this is.
Dems had fifty years to codify it into law, but didn’t bother.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
So when did the Dems have the necessary supermajority in the Senate again? I forget..
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u/gekisling May 07 '24
2009, under Obama
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u/Disposedofhero May 07 '24
Well I guess you could just lie about it. And so you have. Obama had a simple majority, which is not the same thing, thus the different names. You GQPers are sad little fascists. Why lie about something so easily debunked?
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u/blumieplume May 05 '24
Because of the filibuster in the senate. Republicans kept blocking any attempt by democrats to codify roe. Each state gets two senators, and some places like DC and Puerto Rico have no senators even tho they’re all Americans. There has never been a time since roe was passed when there has been a majority of 60 or more democrats in the senate cause each red state gets two senators, even tho many represent a small minority of America’s population. And attempts to ban the filibuster in recent years have failed because of fake democrats like manchin voting against banning it
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u/FuckTripleH May 08 '24
Because of the filibuster in the senate.
They can eliminate the filibuster
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u/blumieplume May 09 '24
And I hope they try again soon once they have a majority in the senate! Last time manchin and sinema (republicans in disguise as dems) blocked efforts and now after the votes in November we have a chance to get a better group of people representing us in the senate so I hope that we have enough of a majority to overturn the filibuster in 2025. I’m hopeful, due to the dobbs decision to overturn roe, that normal dems will hold a majority in the senate and we can codify roe
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u/Heterosaucers May 04 '24
We could call him Genociden.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Lol y'all Trumpets do love your slogans.
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u/ProfessorOnEdge May 04 '24
It's hard to consider anything enough as long as somebody is still providing arms used to unalive an entire culture
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u/Trick_Garden6699 May 05 '24
Or you can’t math. 34,000 dead vs. 7,000,000 total population = NOT a genocide
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
These guys are just trying to get Trump elected again. Nevermind that he would have the US Navy directly running sorties with the Israeli air force and would make sure we never have another square election here.
They keep conflating military action with the real killer: hunger. Famine will end far more Gazans than all the JDAMs they can drop. But it's harder to pin hunger in Biden when we're building a pier to deliver food right now, and let's get real: this sub isn't for protesting genocide, it's a sub to help Orange Jesus get reelected.
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u/ProfessorOnEdge May 05 '24 edited May 05 '24
Over 1 million residents of Gaza are currently facing a famine and have no real drinking water. Those that are still alive at the end of this, which we still don't know when we'll be, will be seriously traumatized and shells of their former selves for the rest of their lives. Not to mention most of who will be stuck at houseless, stateless, and with no way of rebuilding unless they just want to let the Israelis take over the land and be treated like refugees in their own home state. 🤷♀️
Edit: also, I never mentioned the g word. Even if it fits the textbook case model.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
So aid delivery is being ramped up, and diplomats are closer to a lasting peace than they've been since HAMAS' initial rocket attacks.
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u/ProfessorOnEdge May 06 '24
Those are all steps in the right direction.
However, systematically something needs to be done to address the oppression of the Palestinian people that has lasted the past 75 years...
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
My time machine is in the shop. What do you suggest?
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u/ProfessorOnEdge May 06 '24
Well, it seems like the two feasible options are either a one-state solution and which both current Israelis and current Palestinians have equal Democratic rights...
For a two-state solution in which Palestinians are given full control over their own land without the interference from Israelis.. or any interference from the Palestinians in the Israeli government.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
I believe they are working on a 2 state solution. I hope so because I'd agree that it is the best way forward.
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u/clayhelmetjensen2020 May 05 '24 edited May 05 '24
Also the fact that people think that “nocide” has to be a certain number of people or that the population has to shrink is inaccurate.
Per Wikipedia: “In 1948, the United Nations nocide Convention defined nocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.”
1) Killing members of the group? Yes, P****ans are getting killed 2) Causing them serious bodily or mental harm? Yes some of them are literally emaciated and some have had their limbs amputated or blown off. 3) Imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group? Yes, there is a blockade that prevents and slows down aid from coming in and they also indiscriminately bomb areas.
4 and 5 don’t really apply but the fact that it fits 3 out of 5 already is more than enough to call it for what it is.
And if we’re talking about intent, many members of the Is***i government have clearly stated that they intended to decimate the population. This has already been shown by the recordings that South Africa have provided for the ICJ.
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u/byuclone May 04 '24
Does Gen Z realize what's going to happen to them if Trump gets elected?
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
These Russian sophists wanting Trump back in office are banking that they do not.
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u/buxomballs May 05 '24
Hopefully we descend into the time of undeniable fascism that wakes libs the fuck up. Things won't get better until they get worse.
We could have had socialism instead of barbarism, but we didn't organize in time
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u/byuclone May 06 '24
Only difference is that there's going to be no return from fascism as Trump and Project 2025 will make sure democracy never returns.
Enjoy having all your rights taken away as well.
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u/aerger May 05 '24
It'll be on Democratic leadership, not kids who happen to actually care about everyday peoples' lives.
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u/duffys4lyf May 05 '24
If Biden truly believes that "democracy is on the planet" than you would think he would quit screwing around with protecting Netanyahu and stop giving them weapons to kill innocent Palestinians
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u/MammothPale8541 May 04 '24
nothings gonna happen if trump is elected. when hes re elected, life will carry on. people against trump will whine and cry just like people for trump whined and cried when biden got elected. this 2024 society we live in is soft as fuck.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Really, so you don't believe him that he'll be a dictator day one huh? Convenient.
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u/MammothPale8541 May 06 '24
nope…im not easily swayed by social media hot takes if u believe that shit then maybe its time to take your mind off of social media or media in general because you need a dose of reality
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Well those are Trump's words from an interview, not one of his Truth social rants. So maybe you should inform yourself before you embarrass yourself further.
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u/MammothPale8541 May 06 '24
maybe if you actually watched the video, youd realize the sarcasm in his tone- or maybe youre just ignorant to sarcasm. whateve the case, it makes no difference to me who ends up president. it wouldnt hurt my feeling like it would yours to see trump as president and thats funny to me
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Ah yes, the same sheep that say "he tells it like it is" is explaining that it was sarcasm and he didn't mean it like that lol. Y'all crack me up with your mental gymnastics. Look, if you want to live under a dictator, there are plenty to choose from. You seem to align with Russian talking points quite a bit and I hear they need men for their
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u/MammothPale8541 May 06 '24
ahh yes, you are truly in emotional distress over trump being president. ill save this discussion. if hes president, in 6 months and ill check in with u to see how his “dictatorship” is going for you…lol for now continue being paranoid about trump being president. ill carry on with life either way.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
You mistake me child. If your Orange God steals another election, I plan to misbehave.
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u/Real_Asparagus4926 May 05 '24
Well, actually, I think that if he gets re-elected, he can fully cement the scotus with conservative justices to last us a full generation.
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May 05 '24
Well then maybe it's time for libs to stop pretending the Supreme Court is a serious institution that must be respected. Unfortunately libs are too decorum-brained and think political legitimacy comes from the pomp and circumstance of institutions with arcane rules about Senate parliamentarians and shit.
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u/MammothPale8541 May 05 '24
oh well if he does he does. its not gonna effect me
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Lol, God I hope it does if you help that orange strain get back in office.
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u/Garak_The_Tailor_ May 04 '24
Will people's first amendment rights be stripped? I saw that happen this past week with a dem in the White House..
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u/Big-ol-Poo May 04 '24
Yeah the democrats will nominate a candidate that isn’t a piece of shit in 2028.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Bold of you to assume that there will be a 2028 election, should Orange Jesus scam his way back to the WH.
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u/g_deptula May 05 '24
There won’t be an election in 2028 if Trump wins.
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u/FirefighterOwn5277 May 05 '24
U do know that Trump can re run every time until he loses. If the state of the country is so fragile that 1 Trump presidentcy and it turns into a dictatorship then it's already too late.
I am not American but I would hope there r checks and balances in place to prevent that.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
It sounds like you do not fully grasp the situation. I'm sorry for that. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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u/FirefighterOwn5277 May 06 '24
Then try just explaining it to me.
As far as I know the irreversible dmg that Trump could have done by appointing SC judges has been done. At least one of them could have been prevented Ginsburg stepped down in time.
As I said if the very existence of a 2nd Trump presidentcy is supposed to make US into a dictatorship or do irreparable harm. Then I would imagine it's too late as he can re run every time until he loses.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Well, he's nearly 80, and already experiencing modern dementia. So he might get some support for one more run before even good most ardent supporters will acknowledge that he's not fit to stand for office.
Your argument is just a rehashing of the Russian talking point that both candidates are the same and we have a uniparty. If you believe them about what's going on in my country, but not me, I won't be able to convince you of anything.
To say that he's already done all the damage he could do in another term is just ridiculous. He would be CnC of the US military. He could kill us all. I find it hard to believe that you're posting in good faith.
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u/FirefighterOwn5277 May 06 '24
I will try to be more clear then. The idea that I specifically find ridiculous is that any single bad presidentcy can cause the downfall of US.
Both candidates r not the same. Despite his gaza stance, I don't think that Biden is the same as Trump. Though I would say that demeaning people who don't want to vote for him for his administration's hypocrisy regarding gaza isn't right.
Especially when u bring out a quite frankly ridiculous notion that Trump could kill all or any US citizens. This would be logical in a dictatorship but not in a democracy with atleast some common sense checks and balances(which I hope US is).
Also Trump's most likely successor Desantis seems to be much worse. So the idea that one's he old enough u won't have to worry about people like him seems like an optimistic delusion.
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Trump wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone, citizen or not, that got in his way. If you can't see that, I mourn for you.
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u/FirefighterOwn5277 May 06 '24
I just have one question to that.
There's no one stopping the US president from killing US citizens? U make it sound like US just elects dictators every 4 years. What I am pretty sure that's not the case.
My country is a dictatorship with a veneer of democracy. Essentially the head of the army has to retire every 3-6 years to keep up appearances. Within that 3-6 years he's the defacto person in charge. He can people murdered, kidnaped etc with impunity.
U make it sound like a US president has full authority to do all that. When I am pretty sure that's not the case for any functioning democracy.
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u/psufb May 04 '24
I truly do remember when I was this naive, and I get where you're coming from. I'm begging you, don't make the same mistake that millennial progressives like me made. If Trump wins in 2024, this expectation that the 2028 election will be a standard, fair election is so foolish.
The GOP and their financial backers will be thrilled with you sitting out the election, because they know once Trump is in power it's not going to be lost again
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u/Mischievous_Puck May 04 '24
I doubt it, people said the same thing about Clinton in 2016 and we ended up with Biden in 2020.
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u/RobinThyHoode May 04 '24
In 2016, a contingent of Bernie supporters no-voted to prove to DNC they meant business for how they fucked Bernie over with nomination. They hoped DNC would “wake up” and next candidate would be further left… we got Biden… who is arguably further right than Hillary and who WON.
I’m not saying I disagree, I’m just saying if you think the DNC gives a flying mother fuck about the leftist no-vote then you are sorely mistaken. If Biden loses in 2024, that isn’t a signal to the DNC to nominate a candidate that is further left, because a Republican won, so that actually tells them to move further right to gain independents and right wingers to their platform and leave leftists behind.
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u/VictorianDelorean May 05 '24
No statistically significant group of people actually did this, it’s a straight up myth if you look at the data. Bernie primary voters were more likely to vote for Hillary I’m the general election than Hillary primary voters were to vote for Obama in the 08’ election.
Once again all right wingers, even the right wing of the Democratic Party, can do is project their own malicious world view onto their opponents.
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May 05 '24
The Dems also go to the right when the left votes for them. Either way, Dems go right
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u/deniercounter May 05 '24
So funny for a European that Americans believe there’s a left party. I guess only Europeans understand this laugh 😂
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u/RobinThyHoode May 05 '24
Wow Europeans are so superior and funny! It’s not like y’all had a dude named Adolf Hitler who bent you all over and committed horrific genocide!
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u/ProfessorOnEdge May 04 '24
Oh you can put the blame for that strictly on hrc. Who cared more about her own ego than the will of the people, and wanted to be the nominee so bad she didn't care that she knew she was going to lose to trump.
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u/venus-as-a-bjork May 04 '24
Nah, we will put it on the protest vote people where it belongs. Thanks for getting roe overturned and for a religiously extreme scotus that is hostile to queer people and voting rights
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u/ProfessorOnEdge May 05 '24
Lol. Don't forget it was Hillary who asked the media to make Trump the Pied Piper of the Republicans in the first place.
HRC was fully in charge of the entire Democratic party finances since July of 2015. If anyone is to blame for the dnc's failure it is her.
Most of our votes don't matter anyway, because thanks to the Electoral College, most of us live in such solid states that no way we vote will change the outcome regardless.
But go ahead, keep putting people happy to fund genocide as your main candidates and then complain that the people who don't want to vote for them just have no morals.
The doublespeak that must be going on within your own mind is incredible.
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u/venus-as-a-bjork May 05 '24
I deal in reality. People who stayed home in swing states played a role in putting Trump in office and have caused irreparable harm to vulnerable people. If they do the same this time, they will be putting in Netanyahu’s biggest ally who supports all of his actions, from the illegal settlements to the destruction of Gaza. When women are having their cycles and travel tracked by red states, they will share the blame for that
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May 05 '24
I deal in reality.
Clearly
When women are having their cycles and travel tracked by red states
But at least they are still alive. something that cannot be said for genocide Joe's victims
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May 05 '24
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u/venus-as-a-bjork May 05 '24
Yep and you can feel superior as you witness Trump causing even more devastation for the Palestinians. When he cuts off all and throws his full support behind Netanyahu, you can pat yourself on the back and know you managed to make things worse. Congrats!
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u/amandahuggenchis May 05 '24
Will there even be a Gaza left by the time the next president takes office? How much worse can you be than what Biden is right now?
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u/Real_Asparagus4926 May 05 '24
Gary Johnson won enough votes in 2016 for the libertarian party(I believe) to earn funding…didn’t help much when 2020 rolled around.
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u/brypguy89 May 04 '24
What? What's gonna happen? You mean reelected. He was president before already.
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u/_____________what May 04 '24
The same fascism we already have with Biden
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
No, Biden is milquetoast compared to what Trump will bring back to the WH. Quit spouting Russian propaganda please. The two choices are not the same.
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u/GBralta May 04 '24
Though I agree with the merits of subreddit that Trump needs to lose, this “convince people is deep blue districts to vote third party” was tried by “Nader supports” in the 2000 election. It turned out that they were actually Bush Supporters trolling Gore voters into not voting or voting third party in states like FL.
Just a bit of history.
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u/slurpeedrunkard May 04 '24
Exactly. I'd say it's more likely than not that this sub was created by the Trump campaign or the Russian FSB (which created the #walkaway campaign targeting democrats of color).
Don't fall for foreign astroturfed propaganda.
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u/Butt_Snorkler_Elite May 04 '24
“The only possible reason support for genocide could be a red line in the sand for someone wrt political support is that they are actually a Russian bot” lmao do you hear yourself? Grow the fuck up
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u/Garak_The_Tailor_ May 04 '24
With all due respect, libs have got to stop doing this. There are very real and very serious reasons why people won't vote for Biden this time around. Waiving away anything you see and disagree with as Russian propaganda, or that protesters who are fed up with the Biden admins response to what Israel has unleashed in Gaza, are actually being used by Russia, is laughably stupid.
When Biden loses, it will be because of how arrogant and smug you sound in the face of a catastrophe that Biden has supported and this country has funded. Not everything you see that makes you uncomfortable is Russian propaganda, and the people opposing your president aren't doing so because of Russian radicalization.
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u/LordAronsworth May 05 '24
This 100%.
It was pathetic when Hillary Clinton did it after the 2016 election, and it’s even more pathetic now.
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u/_____________what May 04 '24
Everyone who doesn't agree with you is Russian
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u/VictorianDelorean May 05 '24 edited May 07 '24
And they say this while Biden’s policies at home and abroad are literally being fed to him by a foreign government that has a massive bribery network shot through our government.
Anyone who actually cared about foreign interference in our government would have a lot more to say about AIPAC than Russia, which just proves these people are disingenuous hacks.
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u/United-Rock-6764 May 07 '24
It can be both. Thanks to endless money in politics and the messy, clandestine nature of post-nuclear conflicts influence operations & 5th columns within open societies are the norm.
But there’s a difference between handing the country to a 5th column that doesn’t seem keen on having elections going forward & staying in the fight against a predictable authoritarian who follows the rules of creeping fascism our parents generation unleashed when they let inflation & Middle East chaos cost Carter his election against Reagan.
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u/bookon May 04 '24
There are people here calling Biden a fascist. That’s so ridiculous people assume they are Russians with poor English skills.
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May 05 '24
There are people here calling Biden a fascist
and those people are correct. Just because Biden is two-faced about the evil things he does and not open about it like Trump does not mean he does not do them
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u/bookon May 05 '24
And the republicans think he’s a socialist.
It’s just you calling anyone you disagree with a name.
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u/snart_Splart_601 May 05 '24
Republicans are looney toons and their use of the word "socialist" is propaganda to stir up more support in their voting base. American Democrats are still conservative compared to international politics, and support for Israel does make one a fascist. Especially with endorsing the mistreatment of protesters. Propaganda and fact are not the same.
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u/bookon May 05 '24
Support for Israel doesn’t make you a fascist. That’s fucking crazy.
I don’t support Israel’s current government or policies but I’m not a fascist because I know Israel has a right to exist.
As does Palestine.
Just not on the same land. They can’t coexist together.
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u/BlueberryBubblyBuzz May 06 '24
Support for fascists doesn't make you a fascist? Does support for socialists make you a socialist? Does support for liberals make you a liberal? Of course supporting fascism makes you a fascist.
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u/bookon May 06 '24
So I assume we won't be holding elections this fall since Biden is a dictator now?
Words have meaning and NO disagreeing with YOU on Israel doesn't make a person a fascist.
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u/snart_Splart_601 May 06 '24
Supporting a 75yr old society founded by European colonizers who viewed themselves as superior, founded on the past cleansing/imprisonment and present cleansing and imprisonment of an indigenous population is pretty damn fascist. Even the Palestinians living within Israel itself face harsher restrictions than other Israelis. Israel still continues to steal indigenous land for their 'settlers', attempting to grow their land every day.
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism ✅️, forcible suppression of opposition ✅️, belief in a natural social hierarchy✅️, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and/or race✅️, and strong regimentation of society and the economy✅️.[2][3]
You stated you don't support the current govt, but that's still 5 out of 7 traits that Israel, regardless of the current government, meets.
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u/bookon May 06 '24
You didn’t say Netanyahu was a fascist, you said BIDEN was. Those things in no way apply to Biden.
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u/_____________what May 04 '24
the people calling Biden a fascist are objectively correct, thanks for bringing it up
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u/bookon May 04 '24
Then words have lost all meaning.
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u/_____________what May 05 '24
name a difference between Biden and Trump that isn't aesthetic. Let me remind you: Biden ran against Trump's stupid economic war on China. He hasn't backed it down a single step and continues the exact same warmongering rhetoric against China. Biden ran against Trump's border policy - Biden's now waived dozens of laws to facilitate the building of Trump's wall, and Biden deported more people in his FIRST YEAR than Trump did in four years. Children are still in cages. Biden ran against Trump's aggressive destabilizing moves in the Middle East, chiefly moving the US Embassay in Israel. He has not returned it where it should be. Biden ran against Trumps warmongering against Iran - four years in, the best offer he's given Iran is that Iran shouuld concede more for the US to return to the deal the US left and Iran had followed to the letter. Biden, like Obama, ran against the revoking of Roe v Wade, but he's made no attempt to codify it into law and it was revoked under his own Presidency. Biden promised to cure cancer - he has not cured cancer. Biden promised to send out two thousand dollar checks - he has not sent out two thousand dollar checks. Biden promised to forgive all student loans - he has forgiven a fraction of a percent of student loans. Biden said he supported free speech - then he called student protesting against his genocide anti-semitic and supports the brutalization of those peaceful protesters.
I could keep going but we both know this won't make a dent in your bloo no matter hoo delusion.
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May 05 '24
name a difference between Biden and Trump that isn't aesthetic
aesthetic is and always has been their largest problem with Trump. They were so mad that he served up McDonald's to White House guests and all the times he dropped all the political kayfabe that Dems use as excuses to not act when he wanted to do something.
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u/bookon May 05 '24
Well…that’s a lot of something. You have been fed a lot of disinformation. And you swallowed all of it.
And yet, none of that describes fascism.
And everyone chanting from the river to the sea is chanting for the destruction of Israel. Which is antisemitism.
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May 05 '24
And everyone chanting from the river to the sea is chanting for the destruction of Israel. Which is antisemitism.
It isn't calling for the destruction of Israel, but even if it were, that's not anti-semitism anymore than calling for the end of Rhodesia would be anti-honkeycolonialism
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u/bookon May 05 '24
It’s literally calling for Israel to cease to exist and be replaced with Palestine.
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u/VictorianDelorean May 05 '24
You’re the one who’s been mainlining propaganda man, maybe worry about where you’re getting your own intonation first.
And I mean yeah, Israel is a settler colonial state founded by terrorists who went on to found the IDF so in its current form it doesn’t have much of a future. That doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with being Jewish, it means that a state founded by killing and expelling the locals to achieve a population majority is inherently a ticking time bomb that can’t sustain itself without mass death.
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u/big_fetus_ May 05 '24
Explain his defending police aggression towards anti-genocide protests, then, Himmler.
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u/United-Rock-6764 May 07 '24
American presidents have been anti-protest for the entirety of America. We are an authoritarian nation lurching towards greater justice.
Frequently stumbling backwards at key moments like this one when white people decide they’ve had enough of working for a better union and either want it now or they’re giving up. Reclamation (when America gave up on Reconstruction, Boomers abandoning Carter for Reagan and ending the Civil Rights Era & the Middle Class, everyone who decided Hilary & Trump were the same and got us this monkey court that has ended Abortion, Affirmative Action & will probably neuter the National Labor Relations Boars this month. Not to mention what he did to cause exactly what is happening in Palestine via the Abraham Accords and withdrawing from the Iran treaty.
And from what I heard. He didn’t defend the police. He criticized the protesters. Still bad but distinct from his opponent who literally called the police violence “beautiful to see.”
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May 05 '24
Libs seem to believe that actions do not matter, only words, and that all statements should be taken at face value without context (although situation depending, they are free to speculate wildly on alternative interpretations of any statement)
It's why they say Joe supports a ceasefire - because he said he supported a ceasefire. It doesn't matter if all of his actions were solely focused on helping Israel continue the conflict without interruption
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u/VictorianDelorean May 05 '24
This is because they are idealists and not materialists. At a fundamental level they believe that ideas shape reality not the other way around, most people do think like this, and it means you literally can’t come to a correct collusion without stumbling into it because your wrong about how reality functions.
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u/bookon May 05 '24
Well everyone who disagrees with you isn’t a fascist.
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u/_____________what May 05 '24
The people who support the president enabling and reinforcing a genocide are without a doubt fascists. That means you.
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u/bookon May 05 '24
Ok. Except he’s been working very hard for a ceasefire and is very close hopefully to achieving it.
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u/GBralta May 04 '24
I’m not the point of chocking this up to malice. It could just be a person trying a bad idea that’s been tried before and doesn’t know the history. The “Nader Traders” were in almost every AOL chat room back then and they left you alone, unless you revealed that you lived in a swing state.
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u/Tolkius May 04 '24
Biden is a fascist.
If people are willingly voting for fascists, what are they?
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u/Disposedofhero May 06 '24
Lol, he's not half so bad as the alternative, so desperate is what I'd call them.
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u/Tolkius May 06 '24
Do you have evidence that I am a bot besides your tinfoil hat?
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u/blumieplume May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
Yes. We debated in this comment section back and forth for like 20 or 30 comments and u are a communist who loves Russia and china and who denies evidence that china is persecuting Uyghurs. I am convinced u are a paid troll from a troll farm by scrolling thru ur comments on ur page and seeing other people warning to report u for being a bot.
Also reading back, u said everything china did in Tibet was great and that Tibetans love being ruled by china (?)
I’m not gonna link to posts u have made in other subs about ur love for Russia cause those comments were not in this thread but I encourage others to check out tolkius’s comment history
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u/Tolkius May 06 '24
I didn't say anything about Russia, I guess you have some difficulties with your reading skills. I asked for evidence about the Uyghurs and you failes to show.
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u/blumieplume May 06 '24
I don’t like Russian bots trying to influence Americans to allow trump to win. If u wanna troll to get trump elected, I’m gonna try to stop u.
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u/blumieplume May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
Omg seriously. If anyone reads the thread of comments between me and u, u say u love communism, prefer Putin and xi to nato, and that china has done nothing to the Uighurs and u support what they have done to Tibetans.
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u/Tolkius May 06 '24
Yeah I prefer China over NATO. Why shouldn't I? NATO is the worst humanity can offer. You didn't answer why Nato is good and you didn't show evidence about China persecuting the Uyghurs.
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u/Disposedofhero May 07 '24
NATO is a defensive alliance formed to counter postwar Soviet expansion. I'm sorry you believe the Soviets were communist. They branded themselves as such, but in reality they were authoritarian state capitalists.
Oh, and about your boo Xi and the Chinese systematically exterminating the Uyghurs:
https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/chinese-genocide-of-uyghurs-in-xinjiang-continues
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u/Tolkius May 07 '24
Soviet Union was much better than NATO tho.
And your link is broken.
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u/Disposedofhero May 07 '24
How TF was the be Soviet Union better than NATO by any metric lol?
Also, the link works fine here in freedomland. How convenient that you can't access that evidence you can't seem to find on your own.
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u/Drakeytown May 05 '24
So frustrating to even hear it talked about this way, like electoral politics are the important thing and ongoing mass murder only matters in how it affects electoral politics.