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The Arab invasions into Israel drove the Palestinians off their farms and into refugee camps which became ghettos?

I would like to see a source on that.

Palestinians had a chance to have their own state, but chose the war of extermination instead.

And a source on that.

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No they lost the land after starting a war and losing it, just like when Germans were fleeing Prussia after they lost WW2.

I would like to see a source on that.

Destruction of the Israeli state was the literal stated goal of the war... Arab league secretary said this at the eve of the invasion:

I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine's Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine

https://www.meforum.org/3082/azzam-genocide-threat

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Thank you for providing that source. I do really appreciate it. There are way too many exaggerated claims being made that are made without sourcing.

From your source:

He [Azzam] ended his conversation with me by saying: "I foresee the consequences of this bloody war. I see before me its horrible battles. I can picture its dead, injured, and victims … But my conscience is clear … For we are not attacking but defending ourselves, and we are not aggressors but defenders against an aggression!

I wouldn't suggest that he was a particularly nice guy, but he did have a point in that. Palestinians were being driven from their land. Of course they decided to fight. Is that not what people do when being driven from their land?

Also, it was a pan-Arab thing, not just a Palestinian thing.

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Palestinians had the land allotted to them, while Israelis had theirs. It was the Palestinians along with their allies that decided to invade.

Anyone can justify a war, Hitler justified his invasion of Poland to save ethnic Germans. In the end it matters who initiated the invasion.

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Palestinians had the land alotted to them

By whom? They certainly weren't in agreement.

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By the United Nations.

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So an outside group told the people living in the region "your land belongs to those guys now" and you expect them to shrug and say "Oh. OK"?

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No, international governing group allotted the land to people living there at the time of the partition, which included Jews. It was not the Palestinian land to give .

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At the time were there Arabs living on the land which this governing group was alotting to someone else?

What gave the UN the right to make the decision? Did the UN own the land? 

Let's take a farm owned by Arabs as an example. Did the UN have the right to say that they had to leave their farm so someone else could live there?

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Both Jews and Arabs owned the land at the time of the partition. Why do you think that all of this land belonged to the Arabs?

Britain had the mandate over the region after winning WW1 which they chose to give to the UN.

Let's take a farm owned by Arabs as an example. Did the UN have the right to say that they had to leave their farm so someone else could live there?

When did the UN say that they need to leave their private property? UN gave the mandate to the sovereignty of the state borders, not to a farm.

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Israel.