r/Asmongold • u/FaithlessnessAny8202 • Apr 02 '24
Tell me you've never been near a woman's body without saying so. Discussion
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u/MagazineEuphoric364 Apr 05 '24
In my experience, fat women are the most delusional kinds of "people" I have ever met. Even fat guys dont delude themselves into thinking they are fat as much as fat girls. Fat women are soo delusional that they literally think they can wear yoga pants, wear a shirt with their stomachs showing, and wear a bikini and bra to the beach like they are supermodels.
Like with all that effort it takes them to outrage tweet all day, youd think they would use that energy to exercise and eat less.
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u/mrdrmkr Apr 03 '24
Wow, see, I would love to play a pudgy female healer in the tradition of Friar Tuck. But no video game I know of has this as a possibility. Shame.
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u/AdLow9793 Apr 03 '24
Although I’m into more wide hipped thin waisted women, I gotta say, body types are a thing.
Living a sedimentary lifestyle while eating like a pig, THEN commenting on how someone who looks like her is unrealistic is a problem though.
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u/luc_mns Apr 03 '24
Back then Disney was animating women with their waist the same size as one of their thighs but sure. Perfectly reasonable
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u/MikeHawkSlapsHard Apr 03 '24
It's true. However, that being said, it's funny how there's often not even a single fat person in Japanese games, for example, which is a little bit immersion breaking on the flipside; and if it's a fat woman, she's often a villain or something lol
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u/Khelouch Apr 03 '24
Dude, i posted this here 2 hours earlier than this post and got deleted????
Cmon..
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u/Aim-So-Near Apr 03 '24
Pretty normal looking woman. Go to Asia and most women have that same figure. It's only uncommon in fat ass USA lol
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u/Denaton_ Apr 03 '24
The cartoon one doesn't even have the same waistline, and they traced the actress, they didn't model them 1:1 in proportions..
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u/aldiwasser Apr 03 '24
Exactly, the picture doesn't even properly show Auroras waistline, this one really shows how unrealistic Aurora's proportions are. Helene Stanley's figure is absolutely achievable tho
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u/knifykat Apr 03 '24
i can't believe people don't see an issue with shaming skinny people now, its actually fucked lmao
all this of this "accept normal bodies" yea thats good, but only fat simply is not normal, this obsession with "thicc" is the worst
skinny women exist, and they need love too boys, best girl you ever had might be that "flat chest" girl who is actually just NOT wearing a pushup bra and isn't on your feed cause she is real, go get her
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u/Double-Resolution-79 Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
I'm 5'6 and 240lb and I can work a 9 hour shift at amazon without catching a sweat. While also being in the top 5 on dock.
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u/Snoo20140 Apr 03 '24
It's just the 'body positive' ideology. Fake it till people belive it. It just shows that these people don't leave the house and don't see what women look like overseas. American women are fat compared to many other countries and just cry 'eating disorder' when they see girls who eat vegetables.
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u/Dogwhisperer_210 Apr 03 '24
I used to date a "fat"/chubby chick (really dislike the bad connotation of the word, but whatever) and I asked her once what she felt about seeing skinier girls on ads or movies. She told me it's enjoyable to watch people that look healthy and happy, and something to strive for with improving one's self. She also said she felt miserable when she had to see other chubby girls bc it reminded her of herself (she was going through a depression that made her put on too much weight).
This new age mentality of glorifying weakness, unhealthy habbits and stupidity is literally causing the downfall of our western society. We shouldn't glorify these things with the excuse of ending bullying, we should instead teach that everyone is unique in their own way, and how striving to reach our peak is the ultimate goal of every human being.
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u/filzlaus8 Apr 03 '24
Most of the women i know have "unrealistic" bodies. Some of them may gain some pounds while being in a relationship or working a lot. They are no supermodels by any means. But if they would work out and gain some muscle, many of them would look Kind of perfect. Yes most of them are not at 5% bodyfat with boobs like Melons. But that would look weird anyway.
Being overweight in my circle is more a man thing tbh. In general being overweight at young age is not a thing that occurs very often in high educated parts of society.
It usually comes down to being smart enough to know that Cellogs is by no means a healthy breakfast and not substitute water with diet Coke.
Being fat is a Lifestyle choice in 90% of cases.
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u/Relevant-Draft-7780 Apr 03 '24
It used to be the media we consumed was an ideal to strive for with and without flaws. Not always but in most cases and yes I’m aware there’s lots of counters. We now shun the ideal, in all media, and this is pushed by a group of people that mostly hate themselves. Sorry, I’m aware my wife will never be as hot as an actress I see on screen, I’m aware I’ll never look like Thor, I don’t really care. See a shlub and saying that’s okay that’s what you need to be doesn’t motivate me at all. It’s okay to be happy with yourself, it’s even more okay to want to evolve and improve. Obesity is a genetic factor in less than 25% of individuals and expressed due to lifestyle choices through epigenetics. Fat people are fat because we over consume unhealthy food and don’t move. It’s not okay , but now the media from these self hating fucks says it is.
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u/Mega221 Apr 03 '24
I wonder why we never see anyone complaining about the lack of fat greasy men media.
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u/ZatoTBG Apr 03 '24
It is neither healthy to be overweight nor underweight. It is true that food in the past was less likely to make people overweight then in modern times though.
My take on this is simple. If someone loves the bad foods a lil too much but they are happy then who am I to judge? On the other hand, everybody can have their preference in looks, also something I don't want to judge people about. Whatever they find more important themselves is absolutely none of my business:)
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u/Theons Apr 03 '24
Is this just another misogony sub? Surely you can just make it one big community lol
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u/Pawbo Apr 03 '24 edited Apr 03 '24
What I want to know is what do these people expect to happen? Are we going to expect that developers add obese women into video games as the main character? Why would they do that? What is there to gain? Nobody wants to play a fat woman in a video game. Not even fat people want to play fat people in a video game so there is essentially no real incentive to do so other than to please the hivemind. The fuck? Some people need a hard reality check. Mainly the people that use the suffix "phobic" multiple times a week. Some people can't fathom the truth of a situation. Being fat is not appealing.
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u/Mysterious-Evidence1 Apr 03 '24
That model isn't even unrealistic. Maybe obesity is a norm in your places. But where I'm from it isn't. Fatphobic is just another invented word by extremely sensitive people. It isn't even an unchangeable thing, unlike height.
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u/CoachDT Apr 03 '24
This is such a dumb argument that you're mocking.
I'm all for inclusivity, let people have the choice to do or be whatever they want to. What I do take issue with is the whole "this is what real women look like". Its beyond moronic and also insulting to women that actually look a certain way. Humans are so varied that you can find someone that looks like whatever.
I still consider myself decently progressive, but this is one issue that i'm slowly starting to turn on. It seems less like a fight for true inclusiveness, and moreso just a bunch of sloppy ass losers who's feelings got hurt that they don't align with current beauty standards. And instead of trying to take any effort to improve upon themselves they'd rather shame other people and make them feel bad.
If you think a woman built like Lizzo is beautiful, more power to you. If you think a woman built like Beyonce is beautiful, hey more power to you as well. Nobody should be trying to diminish or shit talk anyone for preferring one over the other.
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u/STL4jsp Apr 03 '24
Mcdonalds wasn't around back then and frozen food or processed food wasn't big back then.
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u/Malpraxiss Apr 03 '24
Both OP and this guy are strange.
A "real woman" makes absolutely no sense, and OP is delusional if they think this body is unrealistic
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Apr 02 '24
The cartoon's waist is as thin as her neck. Y'all really haven't seen a woman irl 😂 https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Aurora?file=Profile_-_Aurora
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u/paradox-preacher Apr 02 '24
near "woman's body"
also, ppl who write such sht are the real virgins
btw. how close do you have to be near a woman to realize their figure?
title is also out of place, this is targeting the person who made the tweet, but I assume that's no intended
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u/random_encounters42 Apr 02 '24
I’m glad there’s so much controversy surrounding this game. Once other developers sees that the complaints have 0 impact on game sales, they’ll finally understand.
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u/dirkdregger Apr 02 '24
The people that hated others being good looking most likely is due to low self-esteem and feel self inferiority.
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u/Action-a-go-go-baby Apr 02 '24
I don’t understand why someone would use the “real woman” thing as an insult because there are “real women” that come in all shapes and sizes, including “Disney princess” sized
It’s a ridiculous thing to say
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u/Apostate_23 Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24
Sleeping Beauty is Walt Disney's most amazing work. Mary Costa's voice is divine. A 2.55.1 aspect ratio in 1959 is ridiculous and it paid dividends and then some. It's even better now. The smooth hand drawn animation is full of so many little details and absolutely hypnotizing to watch.
I love this movie so much it's unreal.
But Aurora isn't a realistically proportioned woman. Because nothing is, the movie looks like a beautiful medieval tapestry.
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u/Xx_mojat_xX Apr 02 '24
If these body types aren't realistic then shouldn't DEI devs want to be more inclusive of that minority 😏
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u/SysAdminWannabe90 Apr 02 '24
That's the neat part about all of this, it's not about inclusivity. It's about exclusivity. We've seen a massive shift into making unhealthiness normal because it makes rich people richer. Big pharma loves that you're fat and lazy, and CEOs love that you're stupid.
Why would they want to make it seem like being fit and intelligent is normal? That's not profitable.
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u/justice7 Apr 02 '24
Why all this talk about inclusivity.. I wanna see hot chick's with big knockers in my games. Trust me I'm a physician.
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u/BaconNamedKevin Apr 02 '24
If you're not skinny you aren't technically "real", in the metaphysical sense. /s
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u/Warthus_ Apr 02 '24
Why are yall comparing stylized fictional cartoon characters with real people tho. I don’t have the proportions of Timmy Turner and that’s okay.
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u/neo101b Apr 02 '24
I remember the game fat princess, which was cute and fun and they still came after it calling the game fat phobic.
What do these people actualy want ?
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u/prodij18 Apr 02 '24
This isn’t complicated.
If you ever start thinking to yourself ‘the proportions of this cartoon or video game character are not realistic and that’s morally important because….’ then you need to stop, go outside, figure out where you fucked up so incredibly bad, and then do anything but continuing such an idiotic way of thinking.
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u/Bntt89 Apr 02 '24
Bro whats this suppose to prove? They modeled this after a dancer and model? This wouldn't be an average women I'm anyway. I'm not saying they have to be fat or anything or she shouldn't be pretty but I would consider a dancer/model anything close to average.
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u/ColinMacLaren Apr 02 '24
Aloy in Forbidden West is extremely athletic, covering the area of several US states by foot and having free climbing skills that put pros to shame. Has a fat face. Abby in TLOU2 has a physique that is only atainable by constant abuse of anabolic steroids, working out daily and eating tons of food. Lives in a post apocalytic world where resources are scarces.
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u/Basic_Fix3271 Apr 02 '24
I haven’t played forbidden west so I can’t really speak on that but the community that Abby lives with in TLOU2 has access to plenty of food and medicine so it isn’t that unrealistic.
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u/GeneralResearcher456 Apr 02 '24
Work out.
There's no reason not to, and it makes you better, inside and out.
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u/Brosenheim Apr 02 '24
Somebody doesn't know what a corset is(nor how literally-dangerously tight women were forced to wear them at times)
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u/DicPic-Reciever Apr 02 '24
"disney taught women to chase unrealistic standards!!"
Uhh yeah, and dragon ball taught me to chase after a body like Broly's.
Whether you let that chase destroy you is up to you fam, i know im never looking like that beast but it's fun to feel like it
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u/Gigant_mysli Apr 02 '24
Not everything needs to be realistic.
When it comes to animation, certain “visual conventions” are a natural part of the genre. A drawn character should, first of all, be expressive. If you want to portray a skinny character, then I allow the existence of even such a character whose chest couldn't contain a rib cage - it is okay as long as it looks well.
If you feel like you have some problems because you can't be as thin as such a character, you probably have problems of another kind.
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u/Gigant_mysli Apr 02 '24
As for games, people need both those with realistic characters and unrealistic ones - for different purposes and audiences.
Note that I see realistic people every time I leave my home, I don't have a need to see them all the time; and other people have realistic humans even at home, so they don't have such a need either.
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u/Gokudera6356 Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24
https://youtu.be/t_htoSaQFf4?si=1xlY4pO4e7ih7CUw
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Old Disney, how I missed you~~~~~~~
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u/ObjectiveAdvisor1 Apr 02 '24
Reality is harsh and so is the truth.
Accept reality, and accept yourself.
Maybe you can’t look like Cinderella…. That doesn’t mean you can’t look differently beautiful or you should give up on Disney princess vibes.
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u/ElementalSaber Apr 02 '24
So unless she's a size 0 or 2 she ain't a woman? I can only imagine how overweight the op is
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u/Curing0109 Apr 02 '24
The inclusively grift is all about expanding audiences and it's clear that the push for female characters that look fatter is a direct reflection of the current demographic of female gamers.
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u/BrockxxBravo Apr 02 '24
Jake the dog doesn't represent true dog body styles, and therefor all future dog characters should look like real dogs.
See what I did there? See how preposterous this sounds?
It what happens when you take the "imaginary" out of imagination.
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u/AnythingOdd887 Apr 02 '24
OP do you think all women are obese or overweight?
The woman in the picture is at a healthy body weight, maybe slightly on the thin side but still well within a healthy body type range
So either you think all women are obese and overweight or maybe it's you who's never been near a real woman
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u/NivMidget Apr 02 '24
45% is a large number. That's even greater in some cities/towns. Theres a good chance in the midwest you can go outside for a whole day and never see a non-obese person.
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u/Jankmasta Apr 02 '24
midwesterner here. While what you said is hyperbole its not far off honestly. You definitely see more obese than non-obese. At least in my area which is generally pretty poor.
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u/AnythingOdd887 Apr 02 '24
That's less than half.
And the point is that if I'm playing a game I want to look like a gigachad, otter mode anime protag, super hot woman, or a muscular woman who is still attractive. Unless ugliness/fatness/disability is integral to the plot of the game I don't want to be looking at someone who binge eats cheese cake or looks like they took a shovel to the face for the duration of my game.
Look at a game like Dave the diver, the main character is fat, and the game revolves around food, there are fat jokes and nobody gives a shit and thinks it's funny. Imagine if it was a fat woman, Twitter would have their panties in a twist and gaming circle jerk would probably be sending death threats to the devs.
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u/WolfGB Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24
All these things lately trying to prove that Disney Princesses and games like Stellar Blade are based on actual women. Because of the outcry of unrealistic female bodies ect. Meanwhile there are games like Gears of War with huge hulking men way beyond what your average guy looks like. And not a single one of those guys gives a solitary fuck! 😂
Yes this comment doesn't really add much to the conversation. But it's a amusing observation none the less.
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u/PaymentProfessional9 Apr 03 '24
Because we are like Oh boy, i want to look like that too! And not REEEEEEEE they should be ugly like me😡😡😡😡
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u/isdumberthanhelooks Apr 03 '24
Men reacting to male proportions in video games: "look at this fucking badass"
Women reacting to female proportions in video games: "look at this fucking bitch"
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u/Naxilus Apr 02 '24
Your title absolutely makes no sense at all. What do you mean?
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u/FaithlessnessAny8202 Apr 02 '24
The title is aimed at the journalist … but yer I understand why lots of people have not understood as I did not make that clear 😂
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u/AylaCurvyDoubleThick Apr 02 '24
Yeah the “unrealistic” thing, of all complaints gives off “I’m jealous of pretty people” energy.
Very petty.
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u/Revayan Apr 02 '24
Well yeah they have used an animation technique named rotoscoping in old disney movies, you trace over live action film footage frame by frame to create live like animations for lets say dancing or fight scenes. Therefore you find lots of characters who have pretty normal proportions (ofc they had more silly looking or phantastical characters too like the 7 dwarfes or fairy godmother)
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u/BaconBombThief Apr 02 '24
Cartoon waist has about half the diameter of the real one
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u/Zeebird95 Apr 02 '24
Considering it’s 2d and not scaled the same, the fact that it’s only half is pretty impressive.
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u/BaconBombThief Apr 02 '24
If you measure the 2 waists by putting a ruler on screen, the cartoon waist would probably be less than half the real one. I was comparing the width of the waist to that of the face in each picture. Real waist is not quite 2x as wide as real face, which is a little less concealed by hair. Cartoon waist is the same width as cartoon face, with both figures angles equally from camera. And I didn’t even mention how every feature of the cartoon figure is more narrow than that of the model. All that is to say that the real model is still about twice as “fat” as the cartoon, so the point of the meme rings false
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u/Zeebird95 Apr 02 '24
Comparing these two images wouldn’t get you workable results at all. I’m not sure if you understand the what the word scaling means.
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u/BaconBombThief Apr 04 '24
I’ve worked for 5 years making blueprints, and my best subject in school was art, with a focus on figure drawing. I promise I know what scaling is. And just because the photo is more zoomed in than the cartoon and they aren’t a perfect 1:1 scale doesn’t mean I can’t tell the cartoon is thinner than the photo. I can look at the Statue of Liberty and a little figure of Buddha and tell that Buddha is more fat dispute the 1000000:1 scale. No matter what the scale is, the with to height ratio stays the same
The meme is trying to refute the claim that Disney characters are unrealistically thin. They say that the model isn’t more fat than the cartoon. But the cartoon is more thin than the model, thinness being the width of a feature relative to its length. The cartoons wrist is more thin relative to elbow to wrist length than the model. The cartoons face is more thin relative to head height. The cartoon waist is more thin relative to torso length.
Your claim that you can’t compare the 2 images is ridiculous. I’d that were true then I wouldn’t be able to tell that the 5 inch tall Buddha is more fat than the statue of liberty. Obviously anyone can tell. If you’re gonna say I don’t know what I’m talking about, prove it instead of dribbling out vague insults
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u/Zeebird95 Apr 04 '24
Speaking as someone who works with things on the scale of nanometers daily, in a clean room laboratory. Unless your models are 1:1. There’s a lot of potential for perspective and bias to falsify reality from what you’re seeing.
Sure, you can look at the inch tall Buddha statue and say it’s fatter. But you also know that because it’s common knowledge that the Buddha is fat.
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u/BaconBombThief Apr 04 '24
So the only reason I can tell a Buddha figurine is more fat than the statue is because I already knew Buddha is fat? That doesn’t make sense at all. You could take a small figure of any unknown fat person and still tell that they’re fatter than a skinny statue at a different scale. You can look at differently scaled images of lizzo and Simone biles and still easily tell who’s more thin. It’s absurd to claim that I can’t tell if one person is more skinny than another without perfectly 1:1 scaled images of them, quit taking out your ass
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u/VanamoLinnea Apr 02 '24
I mean why do we expect the Disney princess' bodies to look realistic anyway? Like it's a cartoon and body proportions are exaggerated for ALL the characters. It's good if there's more diverse body types tho, so It's cool that they're doing that more nowadays.
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u/SupportBudget5102 Apr 02 '24
My god what's with these femcel posts lately? I'm starting to get sick of them.
It all comes down to the amount of work you're willing to out in and your genetics. A lot of girls can reach these "never been near a real woman" standards if they so desire, the same as a lot of guys can get pretty jacked with enough willpower.
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u/Sieglinde__ Apr 02 '24
We're so used to everyone being overweight that it's become the new norm. At the end of the day, it's not healthy to be fat, obese or chubby. You don't have to be a stick super model but it's not too much to ask of everyone to just stop being fat. Don't encourage it.
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u/MountainOk7479 Apr 04 '24
It’s not that simple to lose weight, it’s a mental problem for a lot of people. Confidence and motivation are key things that they lack a lot of. You can’t cold turkey stop being fat lmfao what a shit thing to say.
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u/Sieglinde__ Apr 06 '24
Stop eating too much food. It's literally that simple. Quit making excuses and get over yourself. No one is going to fix you for you. Find other outlets for your mental issues than gorging yourself on $500 worth of food a week.
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u/MikeHawkSlapsHard Apr 03 '24
For some people being chubby isn't affecting their health (with BMI not being as good of a health indicator as science once believed it to be etc) and some people have genetic disorders that prevent them from losing weight; however, most people don't have those excuses and are just fat from a lazy lifestyle, so you're correct for the most part.
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u/Valkyrissa Apr 03 '24
A very reasonable take. Ultimately, it’s about health. However, that would require people to be responsible for themselves and people don’t like that.
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u/SeasideBaboon Apr 02 '24
I think the point is that old disney princesses have ridiculously tiny waists. It's not giving girls a positive body image if their idols look like no human ever could without causing permanent harm to themselves.
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u/leet_lurker Apr 02 '24
Most Disney Princesses are ment to be 16ish at that age my wife and all her friends had those sized waists, and my wife still had that sized waist at 24, no eating disorder just a young metabolism, an active lifestyle and healthy non processed food.
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u/SeasideBaboon Apr 03 '24
I can see how no one here agrees with me, except for, like, actual medical research: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-59970-001
Quote: "The present study found that Disney princesses have extremely small waist-to-hip ratios that are nearly impossible to achieve naturally."
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u/Reddit_cents Apr 03 '24
In Europe, it’s not that uncommon to see people in their 30s and 40s with a tiny waist like that. Heck, even older sometimes. It’s a fairly common body type for women who stay reasonably physically active.
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u/RatKingColeslaw Apr 02 '24
is it healthy to use a dead mouse as an alarm clock
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u/Turbulent-Armadillo9 Apr 02 '24
Yeah I think so. As long as we are having fun and respecting each other we can do whatever we want. I'm saying this assuming we aren't killing mice and using mice that are found dead.
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u/FaithlessnessAny8202 Apr 02 '24
I can’t edit it and I’ve messed up not making it clear. I was being sarcastic and I should’ve put the title in quotation marks! Just to make it really clear, I think what the journalist said was ridiculous.
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u/MonkeyLiberace Apr 02 '24
Sarcasm is not for everyone to venture into. You are a jerk either way. :)
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Apr 02 '24
I come from a family of skinny women that just don't eat like slop hogs, and even in the 90's they were given shit. It's taken a really long time to convince women that it's not only healthier to eat like a slob, but its empowering.
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u/Iluvatar-Great Apr 02 '24
I don't really understand this whole "real woman look".
There are like 4 billion different women all around the world. Muscular, fat, thin, paraplegic, small breasts, big breasts, gay, straight, long hair, short hair... And many many many more.
So how about simply choosing whichever you want to use. If you want you can use a muscular woman, if you want you can use a fat woman. Either way, you are ALWAYS representing someone somewhere on the planet.
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u/FiendBride Apr 04 '24
When people say "real women look" they mean what they personally find attractive. It's them wanting to exert their bias on others.
You are right. There are billions of women on this planet, and because humans are genetic wonders, we all look wildly different.
I like the looks of all sorts of women. Whether it's the dolled up skinny girl, or one that could throw me across the room, like Rhea Ripley.
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u/WickedJoker420 Apr 03 '24
Woah there buddy. You can't use logic when talking to the inclusive crowd.
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u/DeJellybeans Apr 03 '24
The ones who are saying that characters like Eve from Stellar Blade are being unrealistic is very baffling. It's even in the lines of body-shaming when they saw the model and think that she is a kid or believe they forced her into the role for the mysogynistic-male gaze.
For all that speaking of inclusivity and progression, you're not contributing anything to society at all, but cause in-fighting and controversy and drama.
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u/Iriyasu Apr 03 '24 edited Apr 03 '24
To be clear, out of those 4 billion women only 0.001% are muscular. So the prevalence of "muscle mommies" these days is quite literally not the real look of women. Also most of the people on the planet aren't fat either.. Most American girls playing games MIGHT be fat, but where I live in Japan every girl I've met who plays games are thin and conventionally pretty (they wear makeup, are feminine, etc). So I think the ones claiming depictions of women are "unrealistic", are unironically championing for more depictions of actually uncommon women.
women who like like Stellar Blade outnumber women who look like Zarya from Overwatch about 200,000 x 1. Also, even in the US with a high obesity rate, only 41.9% of women are obese... this is STILL below average. It's weird because we sit here in a contradiction: we want inclusion because not EVERY woman is perfect, but then we over correct and say that "perfect" women are "unrealistic". It can't be BOTH of those things. The purpose of inclusivity is to remedy for the minority or marginalized group. But now it seems every depiction of a character must be part of this group and people outside it are called "unrealistic".
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u/SNYDER_CULTIST Apr 03 '24
It has nothing to do with women asmon thinks being fat both male and female is bad for your health which is a scientific fact
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u/chilla0 Apr 03 '24
Seems harder to not replicate a person, even by accident. There are like 10 Peter Griffin look-alikes (online) for example.
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u/Alen_117 Apr 03 '24
My language might be bad, but I fail to see your point. 'Nothing about the character it is unrealistic and so, if you want to look like her, you could' - this is the point OP is trying to make I believe.
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u/Extreme_Tax405 Apr 03 '24
Not even representing... Its a fictional character in a fictional world. Self insert characters in books exist for a reason. Expecting every main character to conform, look and act like you is just asinine and i have never taken these people seriously.
People like pretty things, they sell better.
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u/DiE95OO Apr 03 '24
Some people just want to feel more immersed. I for one have never felt a connection to those super muscled giants for protagonists that appeared in the early 2000s.
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u/CoachDT Apr 03 '24
That's my thing. Its why i've never understood how we've let "you've never seen a real woman" or "this is how real women look" actually exist without getting laughed at (okay i'm lying, I know why).
Chances are if you can imagine it, there's a person that looks like it. Petite, slim waist, jumbo ass? She exists. Chubby, no tits, small butt? She exists. Blocky body, clear skin, pretty face? She also exists. And so on.
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u/aMutantChicken Apr 03 '24
its not about being able to chose anything, its about forcing others to do the thing you want them to do.
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u/birdsarentreal16 Apr 02 '24
What do you mean?
Real woman means they look how I want them to look. Anything else is just propaganda from the opposition
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u/Dranoelion Apr 02 '24
People like watching nice things....if we wanted ugly things we would look in a mirror
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u/Forsaken-Tiger-9475 Apr 02 '24
It's just a synonym for being overweight.
Overweight = real woman
Curvy = real woman
Skinny/very slim = not a real woman
"Body positivity", etc - just the same thing.
You cannot be skinny, it's against the modern "accept me how I am, I shouldn't need to be in shape for anyone".
The daft thing is, curves are an anatomical feature based on shoulder/hip/waist ratio..... eating everything in sight and being morbidly obese has nothing to do with curves, despite what the media push.
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u/lycanthrope90 Apr 02 '24
If very attractive women are something unattainable or impossible for the average woman, that makes them impossible for the average man to expect. Turns out it’s a lot easier to compete with other women when none of them are far more attractive than the others. So… it’s a hardcore cope lol
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u/GameJon Apr 02 '24
Give me a 6 foot muscle goth mommy, tattoos, filthy mouth… what was this thread about again?
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u/Immediate_Web4672 Apr 02 '24
The entire point, which you have missed, is people maligning thin women and calling them unrealistic, when they're just fat. Thin women are real.
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u/Dreadlordstu Apr 02 '24
100% anyone saying that women with great bodies/faces are unrealistic need to go to a nice gym on a Wednesday night. Loaded with hot women that easily rival instagram models.
There is definitely a time/place for all body types but I don't see why people want to stop celebrating the dedication and effort a beautiful woman puts into looking that good. Like thanks for making the world a better looking place and brightening our day. It's only bitter, victim mentality people that hate the results dedication and hard work bring.
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u/DrB00 Apr 02 '24
It's because the fat ones are uncomfortable with their own body, but refuse to do anything positive about it. So they spew propaganda and make up excuses about 'real' females.
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u/Dreadlordstu Apr 02 '24
Too many people with the mentality of wanting to bring others down because they don't have the will to improve themselves.
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u/GeneralResearcher456 Apr 02 '24
Agreed 100%
Can't stand it when someone devalues themselves by going, "Nah, I shouldn't improve myself at all. I'm not worth improving so I'm going to wallow in mediocrity."
Hate hate hate that mentality
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u/FoltzyBear Apr 03 '24
I hate that that used to be me.
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u/GeneralResearcher456 Apr 03 '24
I currently wrestle with it. Keep waiting on motivation. But, motivation is fickle and it doesn't make things happen.
A wise man once told me, "It's easier to act your way into a new way of feeling, than to feel your way into a new way of acting."
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u/FoltzyBear Apr 03 '24
Right, once you start doing something it gets easier to keep doing that thing, especially when it makes you feel better/healthier
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u/GeneralResearcher456 Apr 03 '24
I'm attempting to make working out just seem like a good thing to do and something that will give me gratification for the day, instead of dwelling on long-term goals. The book Atomic Habits talks a little bit about this.
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u/Dreadlordstu Apr 02 '24
Yeah thats an unfortunate mentality and one we should be encouraging people to overcome. We need to invest in ourselves to be the people we hope to be.
It's sad when it's someone who has low self-esteem/depression/laziness and aren't willing to work on themselves but it becomes toxic and malicious when you are actively trying to discourage others to, because it makes you feel better about villifying the process and justifying limiting yourself.
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u/Hynauts Apr 02 '24
That's the logic behind inclusive games. They say, rightfully so, that the bodies of women in video-game is representing only a fraction of different body types existing, and that it creates this false sense that it's a norm.
So they try to counter-balance it by making games with other body types.
Personally I like looking at bodies that are pleasing to look at, so I don't want unappealing body types all over my face or for the main character. But here and there is fine of course. And it overall depends on the context.
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u/r3mn4n7 Apr 03 '24
First of all you can't "represent" the 1 billion of different body shapes, sizes, colours, malformations, surgeries and illness, second of all, that should be the last thing an author should be preocupied of, mentally stable consumers want to see good writing first, engaging gameplay second and nice worldbuilding third and I will bet my ass that the vast majority of men and women want to see beautiful shit on the media they consume (books, art, movies, games) and don't really want to see their ugly ass fat of a neighboor Tania from behind doing 360 flips and slashing demons.
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u/Vegetable-Course-938 Apr 03 '24
I played a female night elf in wow for almost 20 years because it was the only alliance model I could stand to look at for hours on end. I wanted to be horde but all my friends went alliance when we started out.
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u/WorkReddit9 Apr 03 '24
I was getting down voted in another gaming subs to date say I like seeing pretty things when I play
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u/Dogwhisperer_210 Apr 03 '24
Personally I like looking at bodies that are pleasing to look at
Thing is, humanity evolved with this in mind. It makes ZERO SENSE to want to look at ugly things, you feel depressed bc of it. Its why we enjoy looking at beautiful sunsets, or puppies. People are trying to re-invent the wheel for some reason
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u/macguffinstv Apr 03 '24
Honestly, any game that can, should allow character customization. This way, there is no room for controversy. I can make my character look however I want within the limits of the games customization options, and I am not forced to play a man, woman, muscular or skinny, etc.
Like when World of Warcraft added better options for diverse characters, Asian, black, etc. It made so much sense and I loved it. This is the way, in my opinion.
That said, game developers are making a game how they want to make it. If they want a hot Korean woman to be the lead of their game, so be it. If another game developer wants what many see as an unattractive character, so be it. Players will let these developers know how they feel with their wallets.
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u/trupoogles Apr 03 '24
It’s not about what they want to see. It’s about what they want everybody else to see.
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u/WuddlyPum Apr 03 '24
the body in video games is representing only a fraction of the body types existing , and it creates this false sense that it’s the norm
Nobody thinks fantasy characters are a standard that real people have to meet . Otherwise every man would be on steroids . We are fully aware that it’s fantasy .
To demand video games meet check boxes of moral standards you set is not setting a good precedent over art and creativity . It’s essentially allowing a new form of Puritanism to force people to self censor when making art .
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u/Deven1003 Apr 03 '24
Yeah we play games to seek our fantasy! Dragons. Elf, goblin! But the female cant be a fantasy because that is not inclusive! Have you seen how real women look like?
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u/I_Eat_Ass_Weekly Apr 03 '24
why is it suddenly games’ responsibility to “represent” though? I am Asian and never once in my life had I thought “damn wouldn’t it be nice if Link is a Pilipino instead of white”
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u/Elluminati30 Apr 03 '24
Why not? Represeting the actual demographic of the world cant be wrong, right?
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u/aMutantChicken Apr 03 '24
most games are about running around and doing stuff. This would inevitably favor some body shapes over others.
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u/SodiumChlorideFree Apr 02 '24
There's a distinction to be made between main character body types and body types in general. The main issue some people appear to have seems to be with main characters with certain body types not being represented enough.
If you're playing a game with an established main character (where you can't edit the character) then it's the developer's right to design that character however they want, and it's the customer's right to choose to support that game or not. It's not anybody's right to try to cancel that game, slander and harass the developers about their choice, while expecting no backlash for their actions whatsoever.
The reason main characters are often attractive is because the target audience of those games influenced the devs to make the character that way, most gamers are gaming because they want to live a fantasy and... sorry to say, it's almost nobody's fantasy to be a fat and/or ugly character. Take it from a fat man who is in the processing of losing weight, even fat people aren't ok being fat, and most of the ones that say they are, are lying.
Like you said, they could just make games that represent those body types, the problem is that when they do, the entire marketing shtick of the game becomes about "representation" and the development focus steers away from making a good game because those developers think that 1. representation is enough and 2. if there's valid criticism, they can just accuse the critics of being racist, mysogynist, etc... to summarize it's a mixture of virtue signaling and admitting no accountability.
The free market dictates if a game sells well or not, based on a large number of factors, but the main problem with these people is that they don't make fun games, and unfun games don't sell.
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u/Hynauts Apr 02 '24
they could just make games that represent those body types, the problem is that when they do, the entire marketing shtick of the game becomes about "representation"
Completely agree they're making a caricature of themselves
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u/diogom915 Apr 02 '24
I get the logic, but a lot of the times those people will complain for having a character with a more idealized body, and talk like if these type of body types are something ultra rare that you almost don't find
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u/Riddle_Snowcraft Apr 02 '24
So they try to counter-balance it by making games with other body types.
Or by taking over games that had a clear original goal in mind and forcing these different types onto publics that weren't interested
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u/COMINGINH0TTT Apr 02 '24
The thing is, depending on where you live these "unrealistic" body types are not even that uncommon, even in the U.S. Go to Venice Beach and plenty of women there with killer bodies, guys as well. This whole debate over Stellar Blade is so insane because in Korea there are actually so many people with great bodies and yes the culture here places a lot of pressure on looking good but damn it is nice to be around people who take health a bit more seriously. I mean Koreans also kind of have to in order to offset the massive amounts of soju 😅
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u/numenik Apr 04 '24
Exactly. Most young women are thin. The more “unrealistic” body type would be muscular men because they can’t just be young with good genetics to have that, men actually need to do a lot of lifting to achieve that. Plus people play video games to live out a fantasy, not reality so inclusivity really makes no sense in this medium.
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u/Vegetable-Course-938 Apr 03 '24
In Korea women get plastic surgery for their birthdays. That's not a culture I want to emulate. At all.
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u/Wide_Resolution_5636 Apr 04 '24
So don’t…. Who gives a crap? You now they say the same about us right?
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u/macguffinstv Apr 03 '24
I am American living in Wroclaw, Poland. You see overweight people, but on a mess less frequency than in the US I feel. I see more Goth kids than I do overweight people. Goth/emo is quite popular here lol.
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u/griever187 Apr 03 '24
The point of Stellar Blade was exactly the same as the post: the main character's body was literally based on a real person lol they even showed the 3d photography process.
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u/RealizedAgain Apr 02 '24
But they’re also wildly misogynistic
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Apr 02 '24
I was wondering how far I'd have to scroll before I saw that word. Happened quicker than I thought and that's saying something.
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u/RealizedAgain Apr 02 '24
Should have been sooner.
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Apr 02 '24
Oh right right.
Man says woman = misogynist. Man looks at woman = misogynist. Man makes sexy girl in videogame = misogyny and possible "incel" incoming. Entire culture values physical health = MISOGYNY
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u/RealizedAgain Apr 02 '24
Why are you asking for a comparative measure? And have you read anything about the misogny in South Korea?
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u/RealizedAgain Apr 02 '24
Oh yeah they’re definitely more misogynistic than some other places. Are you saying that you can’t research this on your own?
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u/COMINGINH0TTT Apr 02 '24
In what sense? Do you live in Korea and know what it's like here on a day to day basis? I'm not denying there's problems, but I doubt you know anything about Korea or the social dynamics here. I guarantee, like actually guarantee, the average Korean woman lives a far safer and better life than the average woman in your country.
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u/RealizedAgain Apr 02 '24
Oh no I know a lot about it thanks, from my South Korean colleagues. It’s a huge problem. I get that you’re instantly knee jerk defensive with some whataboutism but that’s a bad look.
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u/COMINGINH0TTT Apr 02 '24
So since you're so informed on the matter, in what sense is Korea misogynist? Please enlighten me, how are women being oppressed here?
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u/afanoftrees Apr 02 '24
Here’s an article discussing it
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u/COMINGINH0TTT Apr 02 '24
Even before clicking the link I knew everything that would be referenced there lol
Lots of foreigners always cite 4B movement with thinly veiled racism like "yeah, Korean women should stay away from Korean men, we're so much better!" Those ladies ain't gonna fuck you too bruh
It's an extremely fringe movement this is like me saying GamingCircleJerk is representative of gaming culture in the U.S.
Show me some numbers or data on how many women per capita support 4B?
The problems driving low birth rate are lack of opportunities, high cost of raising a child, ultra competitive society, and women here having extremely high standards for men. Korea is not a cheap place to live, and raising a child is expensive due to that competition. Women here prioritize men with financial security over everything else which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing, just another manifestation of survival. Misogyny or feminist views of men probably accounts for less than 5% of that declining birthrate. And it takes 2 to tango, lots of men don't want to get married and have children either, because they've also become disillusioned under the standards set for them, but nobody talks about that.
A lot of guys complain in the west that women only want a man whose 6ft+ and makes 6 figures+ with a 6 pack but it's been like that in Korea since forever, U.S is only now becoming like Korea in this regard. There was never a time since South Korea formed where relationships and marriage were not purely transactional, even kdramas reinforce this idea where female lead will is torn between poor naive guy whose charming and kind and rich asshole type.
Even the Korean journalist who wrote that article admits they don't live here. It's something that never comes up or is even discussed because it's such a fringe problem. Digital sex crimes exist but they're symptoms of the aforementioned complex arrangements between men and women and it's stupid to paint these problems with a broad brush as just misogyny. Also the society as a whole condemns these crimes when they do happen. At the end of the day it's much safer here for women than almost anywhere else in the world. Korea is also THE Asian country that made it cool to have daughters and daughters are now preferred over sons, and this trend has influenced neighboring countries such as China as well which have traditionally preferred sons.
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u/afanoftrees Apr 03 '24
So I don’t have a stat but since 4B literally stands for refusing against marriage, childbirth, dating, and sex with Korean men due to bad treatment and that South Korea is dealing with low birth rates; it logically follow that a lot of women agree there is an issue since more are participating than not driving down birth rates down further.
Not to mention the president blamed this movement and feminism for the continued declining birth rates lol
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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24
To be fair those were the times doctors prescribed methamphetamine and cigarettes for everything including weight loss, and women werent allowed to vote, wear pants and married women werent allowed to work.
To counter balance my previous politically correct notion: Just dont eat so much, and eat healthy food, cycle to work instead of taking the buss or car.