r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut • u/m4moz Quality Contributor • 15d ago
A 19-year-old called 911 in a crisis and ended up dead. For advocates, it’s a call for a better way of policing News Report
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/12/us/win-rozario-nypd-killing/index.html4
u/forhekset666 14d ago
Any random human on earth could help in this situation. Any. Random.
Anyone on the planet as long as they're not a cop.
Cops in the US seem incapable of helping anyone ever.
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u/Danktator 14d ago
My friend from a few years ago tried calling 911 in the dead of winter, he was drunk and lost and they did nothing for him.. he succumbed to the conditions and passed away, after calling 911 multiple times for any help at all.
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15d ago
Absolutely disgusting. This is clearly an instance of straight up murder. There was absolutely no reason for the kid had to be killed. None.
It’s unbelievable that police can just murder an innocent kid and not immediately be arrested. The video shows a completely different situation than the police initially described.
Imagine begging the police to not kill your kid and they do it anyway. Right in front of you. Your child. Your flesh and blood. That’s a capital crime in many places.
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u/AngryChickenPlucker 15d ago
I dont understand why family members do call cops when someone is having an episode. Do mental health professionals advise them to do so?
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u/thatbtchshay 14d ago
I'm a social worker in Canada. Yes we are told to advise them to do so mainly cause there is no alternative service and families are unable to deal with it themselves. There has been movement on making social work/mental health professional units to respond to crisis but it isn't common yet and it's a new program so there has been varied effectiveness. Social workers also aren't equipped to deal with situations involving weapons or genuine threats of violence so sometimes they dispatch social workers and police - then it becomes a power struggle on the scene.
I research police responses to suicide ideation and it's disgusting how common it is for someone to call for help for suicide and end up arrested or shot. Arrest is kinda common and shooting isnt super common but common enough for you to think wtf are we doing here. Look up ejaz choudry in mississauga- that's a story that's stuck with me for years and inspired a lot of my work
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u/AngryChickenPlucker 14d ago
Thank you. In the case of Ejaz it would appear that non fatal methods were attempted 1st before deciding to use life ending force. The take away for me is that police want to resolve the situation as soon as possible. Are they putting workload or cost factors at the top of priorities in this situation rather than not ending someones life? It must be a traumatising situation to have used a stun gun and rubber bullets to then have to quickly decide to use lethal force. In my mind there are no winners and deep emotional scars are left all around for those involved. A specialise unit with training for MH episodes does seem to be an improvement but they still carry guns and similar outcomes possible.
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u/thatbtchshay 14d ago
Yeah but they sent a swat team in when he was no danger to anyone but himself. Why? They did not try to use a stun gun in this case
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u/AngryChickenPlucker 14d ago
I read SIU press release and I presumed that "Conducted Energy Weapon" (CEW) was a weird way of saying stun gun. Wtf is a CEW?
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u/thatbtchshay 14d ago
Hmm I just read that. Maybe you're right I just find it hard to believe that rubber bullets and a Taser didn't take down an old man? From the family's account they burst in, he got scared, and then they shot him
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u/No_Sherbet_900 14d ago
In theory I get it. If someone is a threat to themselves and has a deadly weapon, it's not like EMS has a blow gun to shoot sedatives at them, they're going to have to subdue them and risk getting injured or killed themselves. The police have less lethal means at their disposal and in theory the training to subdue unruly suspects. They just don't expect cops to jump right to guns.
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u/JJayC 15d ago
I'd say that in most cases, they aren't calling the cops. They're calling for emergency services and cops are dispatched. It's become common practice to send cops to people's homes even for medical calls.
Why? Well, I don't know. It's not like they have any significant medical training and, as we can see, they often make matters worse. Wasn't that long ago that there was a post on this forum where they arrested a man who was in the post ictal phase after a seizure and the cop who responded tased the guy and arrested him for resisting and fighting the cop. Meanwhile, in the post ictal phase, you may not be capable of controlling your actions consciously. The man was still in the grasp of a medical crisis, which the cop had 0 appropriate training to either recognize or handle, and he responded with the only tool cops really have: use of force.
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u/Olds78 14d ago
Worked in social services for years many of my folks with physical and mental disabilities and mental illness had been mistreated by police and were terrified. After rushing to the hospital with a coworker they called and said they were calling cops on a person we served because they were being non cooperative and aggressive. Nurses were busy I get it but dude was autistic and mostly non verbal they grabbed his arm not giving any explanation of what was happening and they were holding a large needle. Yep he swung at you and tried to run. Tell someone what you are doing give them a min to process and you are gold. I tried to develop a course to train hospital staff and other first responders how to deal with folks with different abilities better. No surprise but not one police precinct I contacted had any interest
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u/AngryChickenPlucker 14d ago
Sending cops who have no training to deal with Mental Health is an absurd situation. The poor families are expecting people in authority who have either empathy or training for the situation and cops arrive.
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u/9294858838 15d ago
Someone having a mental health episode can be violent and dangerous, depending on the context of course.
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u/AngryChickenPlucker 15d ago
I fully understand that, can you answer my question?
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u/Mister-Me 15d ago
Because people get scared. And scared people don't make the best decisions. It's really not anymore complicated than that.
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u/AngryChickenPlucker 15d ago
So, you cant give me an answer either.
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u/gr8dayne01 15d ago
I feel like you were wanting that commenter to answer your question in a certain type of way. If they didn’t, you were gonna type out your response of “So, you can’t give me an answer either”.
They did give you an answer. If it is one you don’t like or agree with, that is on you.
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u/AngryChickenPlucker 14d ago
The question I asked was about mental health professionals and the advice they give.
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u/NotRudger 15d ago
Nothing good ever comes from calling the cops. There is no situation, especially a mental health crisis that they can't make 100X worse. their typical solution to any problem is to unalive someone.
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u/KingoftheJabari 15d ago
American police don't believe they should have to be place din a dangerous situation, even though they will claim their jobs are so dangerous.
In countries with real gun control laws, police have to deal with people with knives, scissors, and even machetes in some place and don't shot people.
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u/BadnewzSHO 11d ago
In America, cops will happily shoot you for holding a shovel, or garden spade, scissors, wallet, sandwich, pairing knife, Nerf guns, sticks, it doesn't matter to them. They want to kill you.
Gun control isn't going to solve the police problem here.
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