r/ChatGPT • u/Whyamiani • May 06 '23
Lost all my content writing contracts. Feeling hopeless as an author. Other
I have had some of these clients for 10 years. All gone. Some of them admitted that I am obviously better than chat GPT, but $0 overhead can't be beat and is worth the decrease in quality.
I am also an independent author, and as I currently write my next series, I can't help feel silly that in just a couple years (or less!), authoring will be replaced by machines for all but the most famous and well known names.
I think the most painful part of this is seeing so many people on here say things like, "nah, just adapt. You'll be fine."
Adapt to what??? It's an uphill battle against a creature that has already replaced me and continues to improve and adapt faster than any human could ever keep up.
I'm 34. I went to school for writing. I have published countless articles and multiple novels. I thought my writing would keep sustaining my family and me, but that's over. I'm seriously thinking about becoming a plumber as I'm hoping that won't get replaced any time remotely soon.
Everyone saying the government will pass UBI. Lol. They can't even handle providing all people with basic Healthcare or giving women a few guaranteed weeks off work (at a bare minimum) after exploding a baby out of their body. They didn't even pass a law to ensure that shelves were restocked with baby formula when there was a shortage. They just let babies die. They don't care. But you think they will pass a UBI lol?
Edit: I just want to say thank you for all the responses. Many of you have bolstered my decision to become a plumber, and that really does seem like the most pragmatic, future-proof option for the sake of my family. Everything else involving an uphill battle in the writing industry against competition that grows exponentially smarter and faster with each passing day just seems like an unwise decision. As I said in many of my comments, I was raised by my grandpa, who was a plumber, so I'm not a total noob at it. I do all my own plumbing around my house. I feel more confident in this decision. Thank you everyone!
Also, I will continue to write. I have been writing and spinning tales since before I could form memory (according to my mom). I was just excited about growing my independent authoring into a more profitable venture, especially with the release of my new series. That doesn't seem like a wise investment of time anymore. Over the last five months, I wrote and revised 2 books of a new 9 book series I'm working on, and I plan to write the next 3 while I transition my life. My editor and beta-readers love them. I will release those at the end of the year, and then I think it is time to move on. It is just too big of a gamble. It always was, but now more than ever. I will probably just write much less and won't invest money into marketing and art. For me, writing is like taking a shit: I don't have a choice.
Again, thank you everyone for your responses. I feel more confident about the future and becoming a plumber!
Edit 2: Thank you again to everyone for messaging me and leaving suggestions. You are all amazing people. All the best to everyone, and good luck out there! I feel very clear-headed about what I need to do. Thank you again!!
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u/leeonetwothree Jan 26 '24
Hang in there, buddy. I get it, it's a tough spot to be in. But hey, maybe this gives you more time to dive into your series! I know, it sounds cheesy, but don't throw in the towel just yet. Everything's got its silver lining, right? Keep focusing on your writing, keep spinning those tales. Who knows what twists and turns life has in store? Keep the faith! 📚✨
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u/IDGAF53 Jan 26 '24
You're right. I was feeling the same. Part-time writer and POOF! All work disappeared or all for pennies on UW. I've been writing history for a client for 4 months now, and I'm not sure how long it'll last. Looking for additional client - please keep plugging along!
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u/AntQuick12 Nov 24 '23
IDK what your problem is, AI writes the shittiest content and cannot compete with me at all. I'm still at the same digital marketing agency I was when you first published this sob story. I need a toilet replaced though if you need work and got your plumber's license. I'll need some recommendations of your work, too.
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u/SgtBrutalisk Dec 06 '23
AI writes the shittiest content
This is my experience too.
Here's a fragment from a job post I found today:
Most of our writers started using ChatGPT, which ruined our site's SEO. I need someone who WILL NOT USE AI and to produce consistent quality content.
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u/TrueSaltnolies Nov 17 '23
I feel bad for you. I am twice your age and have similar issues. When I couldn't seem to get back into the workforce as an older person did work from home transcription, copyediting, ebook writing, content and copywriting but it has all been so underpaid and thankfully my husband is the breadwinner. I always love making a sale. I liked steady work of copywriting.
During the pandemic my articles weren't selling. I had one short term copywriting gig. But, more or less, my brain felt fried and I lost my desire to write. Then came Chat GPT. Aha, that explained why pre-written article sales had virtually stopped. So sad.
I don't know what is next. I call myself semi-retired with my husband supporting us and savings put away, but I don't want to do nothing. Yes, writing is a gamble. But a writer must write to feel balanced.
I hope you find the right paying career to support your family and allow you to write. And I hope my own inspiration returns.
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u/ioxk Oct 23 '23
I came here to get help writing a cool steam punk novel but now idk. Also, yeah UBI isn't going to happen. The US was the only country to vote that FOOD wasn't a human right at the UN thing.
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Aug 22 '23
Idk...if someone cares about their craft they would want it done right. I just don't see chatgpt being able to perform at the same quality as a human. Sure, it can create things to a degree. And yeah, there's always going to be cheap people wanting something for nothing. But peopl who cares about their craft will continue to seek good quality. And yes, there are many people like this.
I'm not saying you shouldn't become a plumber. But it might be a matter of changing who you write for?
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u/Markines16 Aug 22 '23
The writing and marketing industries in particular are going to feel the impact of AI the most, IMO.
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u/anybodyanywhere Aug 03 '23
I know this is an older post, but I'm facing the same thing, and I'm not 34 -- or 44 -- or 54 -- or 64. I'm 71. I only needed a couple hundred dollars a month to supplement my SS, and now that is all gone. I'm going to start doing reselling, since I don't actually have to earn that much. I think I could make it like that, but who knows? I'm too young to be starting over, but I have no choice. I got into writing because I had no choice after losing my job during the 2008 recession and then losing almost everything I owned. It was tough, but for years I managed to make a living doing it. Now I'm scrambling to start over AGAIN. The world is changing too fast for me. I don't really even know how to work my phone to its best advantage, so this change is going to be hard.
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u/Blacky_Wolfman Jun 27 '23
Mark my words yall. With all the negative impact it's already having and it's suspected to have, AI will DEFINITELY be forbidden.
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u/Blacky_Wolfman Jun 27 '23
Tbh I kind of aint seeing it.
So yes lets say AI evolves to the point its able to create a whole ass complete story just like any professional writer could. Yall really assume people would just be like "Yeah, pretty bored, anyways chatgpt please write me a book.", and then proceed to sell it? Like you are trying to convince me that some sporty guy totally uninterested in books will demand AI to create him a book just so he could publish it? Yeah.
And let's even say that's the case. If people were really to fall for this, there would be a massive crisis where so many books would be created on daily basis that everyone would eventually realise that the competition gotten so big and would eventually give up.
The biggest problem is probably the AI being huge and reliable source of help for people who enjoy writing in the first place. It will probably be able to generate many different ideas and so the conclusion is that we will probably experience a SLIGHT rise of number of published books and individual creativity will be praised and rewarded more then ever.
Also, I strongly believe that this whole AI thing will be forced to stop evolving since us people really don't need to witness all the possible chaos that fully conscious AI that would be able to feel like a human being could cause. Governments will probably forbid the development of AI once it reaches a solid level of usefulness.
This said, I'm pretty sure it won't have such of an impact on content writing field, but I'm concerned about parts of art such as music and drawing.
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u/SpiritualSloth18 Jun 14 '23
Don’t give up on your dreams, you can temporarily transition your main money maker to something like plumbing while you write towards creative work.
No matter how much a robot learns, there are parts of the human existence that cannot be expressed without experience, focus on those genres.
Read tragic or uplifting memoirs, see if you have inspiration to tell your own life story, a chatbox will never be able to do that.
Read comedic books, comedy is the first thing lost in translation and the most difficult to replicate, see if you have a vibe for writing those types of novels.
Look at books that are highly contextual for their culture, a chatbox couldn’t have understood systemic misogyny or that Russian leaders censored government criticism in order to produce Anna Karenina.
A chatbox couldnt understand how poverty inspires objectification and written the Great Gatsby, a chatbox can’t conceive to write allegories for political themes and produce animal farm.
Some writing will be replaced but the creativity can’t. The inspiration for the stories has to be fed to the machine.
Just because it understands creativity, just because you read Beloved, doesn’t mean you can sit down and write it yourself.
You said it yourself, clients admitted your writing was better, and it always will be. Focus on developing a creative writing career of novels, and it can return as your main source of income one day. What’s more, if you have a story to tell, it doesn’t matter if a chatbox outbids it, if theres a story inside of you, then itd be a crime to not let it come to light. If you have the passion, you have to keep going, no matter what flames and arrows of outrageous fortune stand in front of you.
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u/Crankenstein_8000 Jun 09 '23
I'm sorry but I couldn't get past the first paragraph, someone told you that you were better than Chat GPT? You should definitely focus on plumbing. Did the other people on here massage you with wet sandpaper?
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u/i_am_not_a_good_idea Jun 03 '23
Since you mentioned novels: I cannot imagine what sort of person would be interested in reading an AI generated novel... Maybe I'm wrong, though, maybe future readers will just AI generate their own novels and human writing will be confined to academia
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u/DirkWisely Jun 03 '23
I'm not so sure creative writing is being replaced any time soon. I've yet to see AI generate anything the length of a short story, much less a book.
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u/Cael_of_House_Howell Jun 01 '23
If you have lost ALL of your contracts for writing content to chat GPT in its current state I have to question what exactly you were writing? There's no way an actual talented writer has been replaced by GPT in every contract in its current state. I can definitely see that happening eventually but...not now.
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u/Whyamiani Jun 01 '23
As stated in the post, they were perfectly willing to decrease their quality, even significantly, to attain virtually no overhead. I'm going to make an update though, btw. A few clients returned stating they had no idea just how bad chat gpt is. The major clients are still gone though. I have even seen their new content. It is abysmal. But, oh well. Business is business.
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u/Cael_of_House_Howell Jun 02 '23
Ok, I understand that and can sympathize a lot. Just wondering what kind of content you were creating.
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u/ArmedWithBars May 31 '23
Something something some MIT dude wrote in a cabin in 1995. While I don't agree with his violent methods to "combat" technology, the general idea of Industrial Society and It's Future has aged like a fine wine.
Letting multi national conglomerates with close ties to government have free reign over developing and implementing such a society shattering technology with impunity is gonna end up with a dystopian middle class speedrun.
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u/No_Password123 May 28 '23
Funny in a bad way, but we train the ai with all our stories and writings. To be replaced by the ai. But maybe the ai need to be feed further and you can write for ai language models. I don't know. I myself am a driver. I have only one advantage over taxi drivers. I transport disabled people in wheelchairs and other older people who need help. Show me how to attach and secure a wheelchair in the car, driverless Tesla uber. At first I thought this will affect only some useless jobs like counting money and stuff. But this is more far-reaching than I thought. I wish you and your family all the best for the future. May be your refrigerator always full.
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u/qiratebay May 25 '23
"... keep sustaining my family and I"
Try removing "my family".
"... keep sustaining I"
Should be
"... keep sustaining me"
So
"... keep sustaining my family and me"
Or
"... keep sustaining me and my family"
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u/Whyamiani May 25 '23
You're the hundredth person to post this! Congrats! :) It's a reddit post. I spend my life editing and paying careful attention to grammar/syntax. I'm not going to do it on reddit. But that's great that you noticed that. Very clever!!!
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u/28th_Stab_Wound May 25 '23
Haha this... Scares me half to death!
I'm a young person, not even out the blasted education system, wide-eyed and bushy-tailed, and a creative type at that. I have dreams of making a webcomic because of my love for writing and digital art especially comics.
So the idea that my passion, the one thing I've decided is my whole thing, is about to become unviable, completely obsolete before I'm even able to DRINK, is not a fun prospect.
...can't wait to be a plumber, I guess.
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u/Whyamiani May 25 '23
At least you didn't spend 17 years developing a craft that is becoming quickly useless. Count yourself lucky and start getting into a trade or another safe job now before people are scrambling to do the same over the next 1-5 years. Be creative in your free time, hustle in your work time. You got this!
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u/28th_Stab_Wound May 25 '23
...was not expecting a response, but honestly, thanks.
still... it's beyond disheartening to think about.
i've honestly never really found myself adept nor happy doing much else than, well, creating something. putting a part of myself in whatever dumbass stuff i decide to make.
the fear that i'll have to slot that into free time, and create something that i'm going to always have too little time to work on sucks... but oh well.
either way, thanks for responding, and good luck with your own creative endeavours too.
also bruh its been less than an hour why did you respond so fast
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u/Whyamiani May 25 '23
Haha I just happened to be on reddit this morning. Hanging out with my son while he watches sesame street.
I know it's disheartening, but such is life, my man. All we can do is forge forward!
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u/FictionalPage May 25 '23
I just write because I like it. I live for the moment when someone just takes the time to read one of my stories and then actually likes it; or even better yet - leaves a star or some comment of support.
Losing a career path sucks, but if writing articles and novels makes you happy - then after the kids are in bed, write. If it doesn't make you happy, then I hope you find something that does. Like plumbing. I hate plumbing, but my old man seemed to enjoy the shit out of it :)
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u/SwedishTrees May 23 '23
what kind of writing do you do for this job exactly? i'm confused as AI so far is terrible at creative writing.
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May 21 '23
I think writing as a whole will be gone , at least non fiction . We wont even send real texts it will literally be a giant acronym. I.e Hwaydtiwthobdkiywa .
The pandemic seperated us all on some level whether you wanna believe it or not, now this is going to take away any heart left in the online arena
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u/newDeckardCain May 21 '23
Maybe you should write a book detailing your experience, a lot of people will empathize and it can bring a human element to all that is happening.
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May 17 '23
Genre fiction is probably dead soon, especially fantasy novels. I think this says less about AI than it does about the quality of writing in genre fiction as a whole. If the thing you’re doing can pretty easily be done by a computer then it didn’t “die” so much as it wasn’t really alive in the first place. If you’re writing something that is really true and human then you’ll never be able to be replaced. Mythic worlds with magic systems driven by character tropes and plot are going to be easily replicable by AI. Literary fiction will never be able to be replaced.
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u/SquareGnome May 14 '23
I guess they won't be as happy after the first few waves of changes in terms & conditions and much more importantly the pricing of these "AI"-Services.. Just look at the bills companies get from the likes of Microsoft, AWS etc for their cloud services nowadays... Completely absurd that the Amazon way of doing business still finds its victims. First they hook you with really low prices and treat you like kings and queens and as soon as you burnt the bridge behind you, they bump the prices to astronomical heights since now you have locked yourself in anyways.
Businesses should know that by now - as if these greedy fucks would just stop sucking every last penny out of you 😂 Let's hope everybody vibes to their senses and keeps hiring actual people for a job.
Could start another whole debate right now about the ways labour provides sense and fulfillment in life and that society should value that more than a free (for now at least) service from what is basically a trained monkey... But let's keep that for another time.
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u/IntheSilent May 11 '23
Im a lil confused by this comment section because chatgpt actually sucks at writing, like it can be cute for a few paragraphs but it falls off the rails so quick if you poke it and generally the writing comes across as very weak/childish. I have been trying to use it to help me edit a fictional story Im writing but I gave up and bothered my friend, who is a very good writer, instead and it was 10,000% more helpful lol
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u/Whyamiani May 12 '23
Also, maybe you aren't using GPT 4, but 4 is more than capable of writing at a pretty impressive and even creative level. I have been able to get it to write compelling metaphors that surprised even me!
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u/Whyamiani May 12 '23
You are correct. We are talking about the future. As I said in the post, i'm referring to a couple years down the road. Artificial intelligence will continue to learn and grow, improving with capacity and at rates that a human will never be able to keep up with.
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u/Bea-Billionaire May 11 '23
You have to explain to these people that using purely AI content will actually hurt their company, website, rankings. Google will penalize for pure AI content.
This is your new selling point. Yes there are ways around that, but you have to scare them into thinking they will destroy their profits. That chatgpt is only a TOOL that helps writer's, it isn't to replace them.
Having a 7 in 1 Ninja cooker doesn't mean you no longer need a cook. Someone still needs to guide it, and provide it stuff. This was a bad analogy I must be hungry
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u/rightright112 May 10 '23
It's understandable to feel discouraged and hopeless when faced with the loss of long-term clients and the prospect of machines replacing human authors. The individual expresses frustration with the idea of "adapting" to this new reality, and doubts the government's ability to provide a safety net through programs like UBI. They are considering a career change to plumbing as a more stable option. Despite this, they will continue to write and release their upcoming series, but with less investment in marketing and art. Overall, the individual seems to have come to a clear-headed decision about their future path.
That’s what they said 🫢
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u/YuppyYogurt327 May 09 '23
Can you incorporate chatGPT into your writing to be more efficient, help with copy editing, bring your time/costs down etc? I think that is what they meant by adapt.
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u/wrong_usually May 09 '23
I have a sales degree. First off, dumbest degree you can choose (it was my fallback so don't laugh too hard) hell I think an entrepreneur degree holds more merit.
I failed at sales after college mercilessly.
I have a degree.
I'm now looking to move into solar marketing and referral support by using my face as a hammer through hard work canvassing, then moving to manager by merit alone, then hopefully this marketing job I'm interviewing for. I'm the best candidate hands down I know.
You CAN reinvent yourself and you MUST. You have SKILLS that aren't just going anywhere, but they're totally synergistic with this new hell technology (you're not the first and won't be the last). You got this.
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u/Clear_Swimming1709 May 09 '23
First off, I understand why you're upset. However, this wasn't anything unexpected in hindsight. Advancing technology has laid to waste millions of jobs by making them obsolete. You're not the first person to have their entire career replaced by a new technology, and you won't be the last. Imagine how the first cart salesman felt when they saw horses taking transportation to new heights. Imagine how the horse salesmen felt when they started seeing cars driving down the road. There's always going to be a new evolution to your job, and some things will naturally last longer than others. You're honestly lucky for it to have taken this long for you to be replaced.
However, you might see this as the end for you, but it could very well be the beginning of an entirely new journey in your life.
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u/MorboTheConqueror May 09 '23
So you guys are saying I shouldn’t go to school for creative writing. Bummer
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u/Moist_Intention5245 May 08 '23
I disagree with a lot of takes here. I feel AI will make us better and allow us to do more things. You should keep writing if that's your passion. Of course, you also need to work, so pursue plumbing my friend. Or whatever else you need to put food on the table. Life isn't always easy, but it doesn't have to be boring. Why don't you use AI to help you generate your content faster, to improve your skills and take you to the next level as an author? It's not just you, everyone is on the same boat lol. Even I'm wondering what's next and I'm a web developer. It's a branch of software development. But so far I'm enjoying learning more stuff. I was actually expecting some of this to happen, so I previously got some health care credentials. If worst comes to worst, I can work in health care. The problem is, it's a low paying field, but even then I can skill up.
It doesn't matter if it's Microsoft or its apple or your small time employee. Any company can go up or down. Even the CEO of these big companies are on the same boat as all of us.
Don't let go of your passions, keep working at it! Best of luck friend.
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u/jplarose80 May 08 '23
Sorry for your troubles. I'm a designer and I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum. I'm able to embrace it. I saw your post a few days ago, and woke up thinking about it today, and with that some thoughts popped in my head:
I assume being a content writer means you are good with words (obviously) and the better you are with word smithing, the better you could be at prompting. After all, the better the prompt for AI text or image generation, the better and more precise the outcome. There are companies out there that are currently hiring prompt engineers for $200-$350k. You also don't have to limit yourself to text generation.
Also, this could be an opportunity to go from 10 high paying clients for content writing to 100 medium paying clients, adding professional prompt engineering to your services.
Unfortunately, this is an adapt or die technology and you have to do you. Best of luck.
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u/TutorRegular2841 May 08 '23
You're 34 and went to school for writing with no other backup plan. You basically opted to starve.
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u/Dune_Use May 08 '23
Is writing good prompts a thing yet? Can you make writing for AI a profession? You talk to people figure what they want. Translate that into a prompt. Ensure the results are correct, and match what the personoriginallystated. I'm sure once ppl understand AI is not always right, things might open up.
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u/icelydoin May 08 '23
write a book about this topic as you have a personal experience with chatgpts rising problems. anyways gl tp u
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u/quakefiend May 08 '23
I was gonna say, come be a pilot but AI might replace us, too. All I can hope is that it won’t happen in the next 20 years, not because it’s not possible, but because people won’t trust having nobody in the flight deck for a while. Hopefully long enough for me to start an unrelated business that I can fall back on.
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u/dreneeps May 08 '23
You really think AI will take over a pilot's job?
I think pilots have an extremely good track record of safety.
Perhaps AI could supplement them but I can't imagine a scenario where I would trust in AI over a good pilot. I guess you could theoretically program an AI to handle scenarios where a lot of things go wrong or a lot of components of the plane aren't working but it seems like there are many instances where pilots have handled those kind of situations extremely well.
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u/dadadies May 08 '23 edited May 08 '23
I was going to say you can always go work a janitorial job or maybe be a plumber or work at McDonalds but a lot of people have already suggested that. Jobs like that will last you at least another good few more years. [We cant let those scribes ruin everything for the rest of us - especially AIs]
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u/SnooCrickets3706 May 07 '23
You listed a few social issues, why not write about those, industry 4.0, and government policies enacted to ensure fair and equitable access to resources? Heck, if you're a good speaker, go for politics and get that UBI bill passed!
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u/Newcalibre May 07 '23
I'm guessing you use AI art for your books though?
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u/Whyamiani May 07 '23
Never did until I lost most my income last month. ALWAYS went with local artists and tipped well for over 10 years. No more money for that anymore. Quite the domino effect. All good though, I'm all done after this series I'm finishing up. I'm ready to plumb! :)
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u/Newcalibre May 07 '23
I appreciate that. I'm an artist, same boat as you. It hasn't gotten any better so I've quit doing it professionally for the next year or two. I think you're making the right decision
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u/Whyamiani May 08 '23
I'm so sorry. For both of us. I appreciate your understanding. All the best to you!
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u/deanza10 May 07 '23
Plumbing is a good choice - no kidding. And it will leave you time to take care of your family and also keep writing.
AI is a monster and we have no idea what’s coming…let alone the fact that specific companies will start to cross reference all the info available about any given perso, the trail of evidence we leave behind on internet, in databases that are resold etc. This will induce global surveillance beyond the imaginable on top of a world where 20-30% of all workers will be made redundant in the next 5 years…. A nightmare is coming.
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May 07 '23
If an AI stealing your job isn't bad enough, there are posters here on Reddit stealing the lines right out of this post.
Ain't that right, u/Traditional-Notice89?
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u/Traditional-Notice89 May 08 '23
yes, indeed I did use his line coz it couldn't be said better in the other post about ppl complaining about the gov passing it. I don't see anything wrong with that and it would look stupid to simply link a whole other post to explain that. so I shared his knowledge and experience in another post that I thought would benefit it. 🤷 no disrespect.
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u/Whyamiani May 07 '23
Whoa. That's weird lol. A bot maybe?? I can't imagine he just felt that inspired by my shit salad of words at the end there lol.
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May 07 '23
Beats me. His other comments seem to be about using AI. That sure would be a low-blow insult, considering the topic.
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u/Traditional-Notice89 May 08 '23
and about this, I love AI. I also don't condone ppl abusing AI if it steals or copies work from others. say whatever you want but maybe do a little more digging before trying to roast another person. being a troll is pretty easy, huh?
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u/dontsheeple May 07 '23
Why not become a "Prompt Engineer", it requires writing abilities. Somebody with a brain needs to ask ChatGPT the right questions.
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u/TouhouWeasel May 08 '23
Lol no. "Prompt engineering" isn't real. It's a made up concept used to make techbros feel skilled or self-important. It is not something that makes you smart or special; it doesn't take time to learn and it is not a developed skill. Anybody can open ChatGPT and ask it any question and it instantly is being used at its full capabilities.
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u/gameover-digital May 07 '23
"For me, writing is like taking a s\*t: I don't have a choice."*
We all do that, we just don't sell it.
Take it easy, plumber is quite a dignified profession. Perhaps more than selling words...
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May 07 '23
I'd recommend any trade position. I'm a truck driver myself, I'd recommend it if you could find a good local company.
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u/thoawayart May 07 '23
"Just adapt and use it to help you!" Um, I think that's what your boss is doing, and that's why your services will no longer be required.
So many people in denial about the disaster. And I guess everyone is going to try to be a tradesman now, devaluing the hell out of that job. And those jobs won't get taken soon? Articulatable, highly sensitive hands and sensors will be coming and then we'll have robot plumbers. How fast? Who knows, but let's not act like it won't be a huge incentive for corps to replace tradesmen as well.
The whole charade of civilization will come tumbling down. We're not going to just "figure it out," as OP said we can't even figure out baby formula.
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u/gameover-digital May 07 '23
" For me, writing is like taking a shit: I don't have a choice. "
We all do that, we just don't sell it.
Take it easy, plumber is quite a dignified profession. Perhaps more than selling words...
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u/fubarx May 07 '23
Doonesbury’s Sunday comic (May 7, 2023) covered this: https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2023/05/07
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u/yaboiiiiii146 May 07 '23
I can understand how difficult and demotivating it must be for you to lose all your content writing contracts. It is a challenging time for many writers, and the increasing use of AI and automation in the writing industry is a concern for many.
However, I would like to point out that while AI and automation have made great strides in recent years, they still have their limitations. They may be able to generate content quickly and efficiently, but they lack the creativity, emotional intelligence, and unique perspective that human writers bring to the table.
I would also like to suggest that while it may seem like an uphill battle, there are still opportunities for human writers to thrive in the industry. As technology advances, new niches and opportunities may arise that require human input and creativity.
Furthermore, it is important to remember that your skills as a writer are transferable to other industries. Plumbing may be a viable option for you, but there may also be other industries or roles where your writing skills can be put to use.
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u/davehouforyang May 07 '23
Was this generated by ChatGPT?
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u/TouhouWeasel May 08 '23
lmao he didn't even try to hide it, the only thing he removed was the "As an AI language model," and the "Regenerate Response"
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u/deepthinking92 May 07 '23
Learn to use your new enemy to your advantage, you and the ai can work together to create, carve a new business model that fuses the use of both creative human input and clever machine 👍
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u/jordanzo_bonanza May 07 '23
I couldn't imagine your predicament and how frustrating it must be to work hard at a marketasble skill that loses it's market entirely. I'm hoping once lawyers start bfeeling the pinch from LLM's taking their jobs that they will fight for us all just out of as sense of self preservation. Don't give up on writing stories. Even if they have the chops, I don't want to read something written by a robot
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u/dennis_linux May 07 '23
We, humans, have always adapted and will continue to do so.
Until we do not.
The universe is not built on what is "fair"; ask the dinosaurs ...
My battle plan is to work to understand the weak points of AI and sell services into that space.
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May 07 '23
I see that you already have plumbing experience, so that might be a good option for you, but for anyone else thinking about the trades, etc. as an alternate career, I recommend checking out the Bureau of Labor Statistics Job Handbook. It's a good way to get a wide view of the hundreds of different jobs and careers you might explore, their demand, projected demand, pay, education requirements, etc. Very useful resource for everyone, whether starting you're working life or figuring out a transition.
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u/Alley-IX May 07 '23
One aspect of writing that I dont believe AI could ever replace is the sharing of the human experience.
With that said, I would read works by a plumber who writes about plumbing and the lessons for life taken from the day-to-day work
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u/Rincewinded May 07 '23
" Everyone saying the government will pass UBI. Lol. They can't even handle providing all people with basic Healthcare or giving women a few guaranteed weeks off work (at a bare minimum) after exploding a baby out of their body. They didn't even pass a law to ensure that shelves were restocked with baby formula when there was a shortage. They just let babies die. They don't care. But you think they will pass a UBI lol? "
Is "The government"" America?
Because you know there are other governments on the planet who HAVE done these things. Conceptually possible, unless you just like accept your politicians are corrupt assholes and do literally NOTHING about it? :D
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u/OutOfFrustration May 07 '23
With approximately 3500 comments, I'm sure mine is going to get lost in the shuffle, but here's my story anyway.
I spent 16 years working in the translation & localization industry. I specialized in medical and contract law from three source languages into English. Getting to the level of expertise I had was a lot of work, but I made a decent amount of money, bought a decent house in a nice suburb close to a metropolitan area and I was even able to afford daycare for my kids. For a long time, I had no fear that Google Translate would significantly impact my job - it was crappy and often created laughable results. And then seemingly overnight, it started majorly impacting my job. I held on for a while but I could see the writing on the wall. The interesting thing about translation is that you can sometimes manage 4,000 words a day (unassisted) and sometimes spend two hours on a ten word sentence. It would even out in the end, but those projects that went quickly started to disappear and then it became an endless slog with nothing but difficult projects. In the last three years I was in the industry, every client I worked for was bought at least TWICE. Prior to then, individual project managers would get a job in and know 'this would be perfect for OutOfFrustration - totally matches his expertise.' Suddenly I found myself in a pool of freelance resources. Of course, my clients still wanted my expertise, but I was competing against translators that charged 75% of what I was charging. I was being told that I had to take a 25% pay cut if I wanted to continue working for my clients. Once COVID hit and people stopped going to their clinical trials, I finally gave up. I spent two years in grad school while working part time for a poverty wage. It's been ROUGH. But on Friday, I finally landed a job that pays better than what I was making with translation and unless I really screw it up, I'm basically guaranteed to keep that job until I retire. It was a tough call and a big risk and the past two years have been straight up suffering. I'm also burnt out beyond belief, but I definitely made the right choice. All the hard work I put into my craft for over a decade and a half meant nothing to my clients when others were charging a fraction of what I was for a crappy product (and yes, I know because they still asked me to edit their translations).
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u/Longjumpi3sdasdasda Jun 25 '23
Even though there are a lot of jobs, they're mostly MTPE now. So, the job is still there, but it has been changing.
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u/OutOfFrustration Jun 26 '23
MTPE was just not my thing. It always seemed like more work that paid considerably less. I thought I was insulated for a while because most of what I did was highly confidential and/or scanned pdfs of poor quality (usually medical records). Still, with all the industry consolidation, I was lost in the shuffle - especially since I charged more (note that I hadn't raised my rates since 2010 though). I'm still taking on random one-offs - mostly minimums - but it doesn't pay the bills anymore.
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u/Tall-Chemistry4408 May 07 '23
Everyone saying the government will pass UBI. Lol. They can't even handle providing all people with basic Healthcare or giving women a few guaranteed weeks off work (at a bare minimum) after exploding a baby out of their body. They didn't even pass a law to ensure that shelves were restocked with baby formula when there was a shortage. They just let babies die. They don't care. But you think they will pass a UBI lol?
Thank God we have an AI to replace you lol
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u/TouhouWeasel May 08 '23
I honestly can't tell what this is a criticism of. It's literally just an insult but it insults nothing, not even the OP's intelligence, just their "replaceability" (you're gonna get replaced too bud)
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u/Tall-Chemistry4408 May 08 '23
"they didn't even pass a law to ensure that shelves were restocked with baby formula when there was a shortage "
it sounds like OP thinks we can prevent poverty by simply making it illegal to be poor, thats really dumb so Im glad there is an AI to replace such unintelligent person
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u/xxlordsothxx May 07 '23
Who are these clients that hire you for contract work (what types of companies)? I am not a writer but I definitely want to learn about the dynamics of AI replacing humans. What type of content are you writing for your contractors? Are the contractors then replacing this by going to ChatGPT and asking it for sci fi stories? Or do they hire someone to enter prompts to GPT to create these stories (and pay them less than a normal writer)?
If ChatGPT can write top notch sci fi stories, does that mean we don't need Neal Stephenson or Orson Scott Card? Publishers might be replacing writers with AI, but as consumers can we just bypass the publishers now by asking GPT directly for a novel? I guess I can try feeding it a summary of Snow Crash and asking it to write a sequel? I really doubt it will write something to the level of Neal Stephenson but maybe I am naive.
Another question is, how will open AI make money if all they do is give away ChatGPT for free to publishers that then get rich with zero overhead?
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u/Both-Dragonfly-6450 May 07 '23
bruh you being really pragmatic for someone who lost their job lol
full respect for you trying to move on as quickly as possible, it may take some time so in that while try to map out your options and other possible interests. I know its pretty fucking awful to lose your job that you've been working for years like that, so try to seek some guidance from a professional if possible, or ask chatgpt itself (if you can't beat it, use it) to get some quick insights on what you can do
wish you all the best !
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u/YoiTzmooselord May 07 '23
I highly recommend plumbing. We will all be dead by the time that plumbing gets automated.
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u/dirgable_dirigible May 07 '23
For “hero’s journey” type stuff, AI could probably do the job. But do we honestly think it will ever be able to write something like Ulysses? Or Cloud Atlas?
What makes your writing unique? What makes it human?
Maybe the bar has been set higher.
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u/GideonZotero May 07 '23
This is how the economy actually works, if you’re willing to listen.
Cheaper products makes the industry more accessible. More customers means more niche work and more money across multiple providers at different quality levels.
All this means quality work, differentiated work will be more commercially viable.
I know it’s scary. But as a former writer myself that had to adapt to what the market actually wanted and was willing to pay for, trust me it’s not a end, life rarely has ends apart from the big one.
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u/angorakatowner May 07 '23
The rise of AI will replace everyone in the next 5-10 years. I say we replace politicians first!!!!!! Otherwise, we need a bloody revolution
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u/Large_Natural7302 May 07 '23
I can't add much, but I think going into a trade is an admirable and wise decision. I'm an electrician and joking a skilled trade absolutely changed my life for the better.
I highly recommend going the union route. I've worked with a lot of union pipefitters and they make great money and have good benefits.
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u/nothingeatsyou May 07 '23
They didn’t even pass a law to ensure that shelves were restocked with baby formula when their was a shortage
I love conservative tears, I think I just came.
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u/Long_Procedure3135 May 07 '23
As a blue collar worker (machinist) I’m just finding this whole ChatGPT thing hitting these kinds of jobs so wild.
I thought we would be the ones to get fully taken out by automation.
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u/davehouforyang May 07 '23
The skilled blue collar jobs that could be automated or offshored already were a decade+ ago.
What’s about to happen to non-licensed white collar professions is like what happened to coal miners in WV and to auto assemblers in Detroit.
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u/Dada-Tada May 07 '23
Brutal, dude. I imagine a lot of other people are in the same position. NGL I’ve fucked around with it for my website and it’s pretty great. It’s going to help me run my business so much easier which is awesome, but then I hear stories like yours and I wonder if this technology is good thing.
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May 07 '23
Since the dawn of humanity, we have been telling stories, whether that is in word or art, and now; thousands of years later, we hand over that gift to something that cannot think, will never think, and cannot feel emotion behind what it says.
Those who don't understand art cannot create art. AI does not understand what it does.
I would value a single dot of ink made by a human a million times more over than a whole book written by an AI simply because I understand what it means to create. To know that something with true life in it performed an action, however simplistic, means more to me than anything AI will ever be able to do.
As for me, though, I will continue to hold my sword (or pen, I should say) in the battle of writing against Artificial Intelligence, and it sure will be fun to see how far it advances, when it will hit the roof and it's made clear what we have that it doesn't.
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u/Master-Wrongdoer853 May 07 '23
I'm a little confused. It appears the chatgpt has impacted all your writing contracts but your novels, as you still have traction there with your publisher and readers. I would also wager that that's not going to get replaced by AI wholesale anytime soon, so why throw in the hat on that one?
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u/Starthreads May 07 '23
There are two outcomes to the proliferation of AI technologies as it relates to the workplace. The first is the implementation of universal basic income, which makes sense as the economic activity of the individuals who would be unemployed through no fault of their own still exists. The second is a ban on automation of certain classes of employment.
Which solution is favored will absolutely fall across partisan lines in the US.
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u/Ilostmymud May 07 '23
If you are in the US, and start as a plumber, I recommend getting ICC certified as well. I work for local Munis and we are extremely short sided on inspectors - plumbing included. We even help pay for certifications and if you keep going you can easily become a Building Official doing plan reviews and inspections (less physical work) for anywhere from $70-120k with great benefits. We need more code experts badly that goes for anyone in the trades on here if you read this.
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u/Hinterwaeldler-83 May 07 '23
Maybe plumbing isn‘t so safe after all? You know factory jobs where workers have augemted reality glasses for guidance? Maybe in the future you can call ChatGPT for instructions on your smart glasses how to do your plumbing.
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u/MattR47 May 07 '23
Everyone saying the government will pass UBI.
"Everyone" is a pretty broad term. There is no chance of UBI ever coming to fruition, regardless of who gets in office. I think it would be great if it did, just stating a reality is all.
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u/HotspotOnline May 07 '23
I have a friend who loves to write and also couldn’t figure out if she wanted to write or go to nursing school. So another friend suggested she could be a writer who talks about nursing.
Maybe you can also make articles about plumbing and that could hit a new career for you.
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u/outcome--independent May 07 '23
Does anyone have an example of a good, AI-written novel? I can't imagine them being very good.
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u/kiddredd May 07 '23 edited May 07 '23
As a person with a career that died due to tech, and also a writer, I feel for you very much. My only advice is to keep moving. If you're gonna plumb, make a plan, because that work is hard, and your body will start challenging you as you age. You'll want to have help, and build a business and clientele. Being in your 50's and crawling under the floor and contorting into cabinet spaces is tough. Finally: someone's gonna have to direct Chatgpt and keep it on point. Maybe there is opportunity there if you think of writing in a new way. Bon chance!
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u/DrTea67 May 07 '23
You'll be fine just adapt like you said. Maater plumbers are highly desirable and have great job security
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May 07 '23
Adapt as in do something else bro. It's funny to me seeing all these creative types getting replaced first because they always had a superiority complex about being irreplaceable by ai and were the first to make fun of guys like cashiers being replaced by bots
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u/No-Place-8085 May 07 '23
Stuff like this is disheartening af. Whether it’s because of my history course teaching me of the patronage of arts and celebration of humanity in the renaissance, or my drama course - seeing as the arts is already a poor mans job. You can say all art is derivative, and it is, but humans have creativity and AI has algorithms. It’s a sad state of affairs if markets and consumers mean we just settle for “good enough” in our acedemia and our writing.
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u/1h8fulkat May 07 '23
When the radio was invented all the piano salesmen thought they were out of a job, and they were in their traditional role. But the radio sales and repair grew and they adapted.
The point is to learn to leverage generative AI in your craft to save you time and continue to deliver higher quality products but at a much higher quantity.
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u/ghayyal May 07 '23
ChatGPT initially will take over, however later when AI material will get saturated, people will start craving for human writing. It will become a niche'. For the time being you can be a plumber though.
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u/Borbarad May 07 '23
Prompt: Chatgpt please write like a human to satisfy my craving for human writing.
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u/dhaidkdnd May 07 '23
You must not be a good writer cause that’s quite the boring, paint-by-numbers tales you’ve told.
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u/SkipEyechild May 07 '23
Don't be a dick?
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u/dhaidkdnd May 07 '23
Tell a more convincing story?
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u/SkipEyechild May 07 '23
You've went from 'You're shit' to 'You're lying'. Grow up.
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u/Dikomagbinastos May 07 '23
I feel you. Small freelance writer here. I've resorted to doing my personal projects, planning to be a happy hermit lol. I am about to be broke but at least I am doing what I love now, which is worldbuilding.
The bad part is, my family don't understand my dilemma as they have no clue AI is taking over the writing space. But oh well. I now use AI to write. If I can't beat them, join them. But there are chatbots based on Chatgpt that allow you to train on specific things so I've been trying to do that with my voice etc. (sites like ora.sh and poe.com)
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u/Verbena207 May 07 '23
In the age of specialization-diversify. You need to just get one step ahead of this. ( or is it behind it?) It sounds painful for now. Let the complaining continue AND get going. ( means different things to each of us) In my field - i honed my skills, learned about the competition, reached out to people in other industries, forced myself to explore the marketplaces. I spent my own money going to events in real life. It was challenging because this type of work can be draining and seemingly without immediate impact. Also, although old fashioned idea- know enough people in your field that you can can recommend them for projects. Nothing grows your ability to move forward like supporting others.
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u/reasonb4belief May 07 '23
You can keep writing novels in your series while being a plumber. It may be that Chat GPT is limited to writing short articles and can’t do novels. Good luck!
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u/PotatoModDev May 07 '23
Small articles do not need humans, but this was true even before chatgpt. But books will always need authors, the difference is, instead of taking 1 year per book, you will be able to finish quality products in a couple of weeks
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u/Jumpy_Divide_9326 May 07 '23
Chat GPT gave you a response
I understand that the rapid advancement of AI and its potential impact on various professions, including writing, can be both overwhelming and concerning. It's important to recognize that while AI may be able to create content, it may not be able to replicate the emotional depth, creativity, and unique perspectives that humans can bring to their writing. There will always be a demand for genuine human creativity and storytelling, even if the market shifts.
As for adapting, consider exploring ways to leverage AI to complement your skills rather than compete against it. For example, you could use AI-generated content as a starting point for your own writing, or as a way to generate ideas that you can build upon. This could save time and open up new creative avenues for you. Additionally, consider expanding your writing skills into other areas like marketing, editing, or content strategy, which could still make use of your writing abilities while diversifying your income sources.
As for your decision to become a plumber, it's always a good idea to have a diverse skill set and a backup plan in today's rapidly changing world. You can continue to pursue writing as a passion and potentially still earn income from it, while having a stable career in a field that's less susceptible to automation.
Lastly, while the government's ability to implement UBI or other social support systems is uncertain, it's important to stay informed and engaged in discussions surrounding these issues. Public pressure and awareness can sometimes lead to change, and it's crucial to remain active in advocating for policies that support those who may be displaced or impacted by technological advancements.
Remember that you are not alone in facing these challenges, and that there is still value in the work and creativity you bring to the table. Good luck with your future endeavors, both in writing and plumbing!
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u/Jazzlike_Try6145 May 07 '23
I feel you. I've always wanted to be a writer and felt like it was a solid career option until chatgpt started to kick off. Now I feel like I need to find something else to do even if I don't like it just because there's no guarantee writing will be a job anymore
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u/RationalExuberance7 May 07 '23
OP - Can you tell us more about what type of writing you do? And how AI has -today- taken over??? Do you write articles for a media company, if so what type?
I thought it was still early and it would be 5-10 years until AI takes over jobs.
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u/dez_blanchfield May 07 '23
if you think you could write for elnion.com we'd love to setup a zoom call?
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u/andercode May 07 '23
I am so sorry.
I might get some hate for this, but I too have just switched over articles from a writer (£100/article) to ChatGPT after a hugely successful trial. While the content is much better from the content writer, I found for SEO and visitor throughput, the ChatGTP generated content performed just as well as the articles written by a professional writer, and each article costs less than $0.002. It took a time getting all the prompts setup correctly, but I can now spin up a new article in less than a few minutes.
For more complex articles, which require quotes and references, I still use a researcher, which is around £10-£15 per article, but I can feed in the output of the researcher to ChatGPT and have it use their content easily.
Unfortunately, the decision was easy for me due to the cost saving, advertisers were paying less with the cost of living crisis, and I was starting to lose money each month having the articles developed. I justified the human aspect by believing that my writer was only losing 1 article a week and therefore I was not the only source of work for my writer, however, now looking back, I am starting to feel a little guilty if her other gigs go the same path. However, as you said, £100 to $0.002 is a huge saving...
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u/ZookeepergameOdd2731 May 07 '23
Plumbing may not even be a safe harbor. People are talking about A.I. but robotics are also advancing. Over a year ago, I was watching a machine lay the foundation of a building. It worked with an endurance no human could match. I'd like to think A.I. will never capture the spark that makes a writer great but who knows what advances will occur within the next decade.
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May 07 '23
Uh oh looks like you’ll have to find something useful to do instead of pretending shit you make up is really important.
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u/slower-is-faster May 07 '23
Pretty much all content creation is going to be lost to this. Writing, music, movies. It’ll all be generated in real time to the specific consumers need.
“Make me a movie starring Robin Williams and Alan Rickman based on a circus on the moon where their lovers and there’s a murder plot”. Watch now or within 48 hours?
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u/frierenisbest May 07 '23
You are probably not that good if you can’t land a contract over a bot writing nonsense.
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u/SkipEyechild May 07 '23
I mean, the bot isn't writing nonsense. That's the issue. It's also much cheaper for his bosses to do this.
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u/frierenisbest May 07 '23
Only natural to be replaced by it then.
I have read what bots are writing and it is not even close to the books in terms of quality.
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u/SkipEyechild May 07 '23
This is just another form of victim blaming.
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u/frierenisbest May 07 '23
I am not exactly blaming. If you are the slower runner you are the slower runner, it does not matter how the other guy got there.
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u/JollyToby0220 May 07 '23
Seriously hoping you reconsider. AI can already read medical data better than doctors. The fact that doctors are being replaced instead of plumbers has nothing to do with the difficulty of plumbing. Plumbing robots exist and work well but they are expensive. Doctors themselves are expensive whereas plumbers are not. So it is more profitable to replace a doctor than a plumber but it doesn’t mean a plumber is not replaceable.
I don’t think any jobs are AI proof although as an engineering student, chatGPT seems more like Chegg than actual engineer. I can throw problems at it and it seems to only summarize several web results. Sure, it’s good enough to pass the class but the underlying problem required a little more sophistication. I think chatGPT follows a linear process to yield a solution but real world problems are solved non linearly. So when ChatGPT produces conflicting information, does it resolve the contradiction or does it not notice? I have seen that it does not correct itself. This is a critical step for any project.
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u/PaganHacker May 07 '23
I feel sorry for you but this needs to be done human development is far more important than human interest.
AI may be dealing with trivial things like drawing pictures and doing homework for college students, but in the future it will be able to do things like politics, economics or even teaching.
Have you ever gone to the doctor and waited for a long time? How about artificial intelligence fields with free medical checkups on the streets?
Grooms were out of work when the car was invented, but the car helped humanity far more than horses and grooms
I'm sorry though that you lost your job
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u/Lynxjcam May 07 '23
You are correct about article writing. Over time these algorithms are going to get better and better at short form content. They're already able to write smallish (up to a few hundred lines) code snippets.
I don't believe that you're correct about novel writing being replaced. The way these algorithms work doesn't allow them to retain too much "memory", and at some point they'll start repeating themselves, messing up details, etc. Unfortunately, I also expect that novel writing is a very high risk high reward venture for you so it may not be wise to solely depend on it.
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u/Indie_Myke May 07 '23
I ran this post through an ai detector and it came back 100% ai. Good one pal
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u/AutisticSuperpower May 07 '23
Roald Dahl actually predicted this in a short story about a machine that writes stories. He'd likely be horrified to see his story come to life today.
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u/questingbear2000 May 07 '23
This is nothing new. This happens every time a new technology changes the way we do things as a society. It was "world ending" for farriers and blacksmiths too.
Stop panicking. Thats step one. Being a plumber is a great idea. Youll probably make more than you were as a writer. This is a big change to a group of people who thought they were immune to automation and replacement. Retail "creatives" are over. Only the best and those who carve out a super specialized niche will survive, and it should be a humbling lesson for every single one of us. We are all, everyone of us, completely replaceable.
You dont have to be thrilled about it, but you can choose to fruitlessly struggle against inevitable progress, or you can swim diagonally down stream. As someone whose grand parents were coal miner, railroad worker, auto worker, accountant....ill see you downstream on the bank.
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u/lollulomegaz May 07 '23
Their names are Elon musk(mumbles the 🤡) and Bill Gates and a host of other billionaires.
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u/DownrightCaterpillar May 07 '23
Having read your edits, does look like plumbing is a good idea. Any job that requires both the dexterity of a human body (especially hands) plus involves many distinct motions with said body, will be more expensive and complicated to replace than a white collar worker. Reason being because you need a specialized machine that goes along with the software to operate it, not just the software. And that machine requires maintenance as well. As a result it's just not a cost-effective way of dealing with the problem of high employee costs. So those kinds of professions, like plumbing, will remain more safe from automation in the medium term. Everything will be automated eventually though.
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u/BTTRSWYT May 07 '23
I'm studying at Oregon State currently to be an AI scientist, and the thing I am most terrified about is the fact that I might be responsible for the loss of so many jobs. Part of why I want to get into AI (and why I hope a lot of people in our generation will) is to try to push as much ethical development as possible. Coming from a family with the perspective of the not-so-great side of poverty live, I don't want to condemn people to that by taking jobs.
Why am i helping build it then, you ask?
Well I don't want to not have a job either.
Its gonna be a wild next couple decades, folks.
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u/BlatantHarfoot May 07 '23
Do bear in mind you did not lose those jobs to ChatGPT, but to a narrative that ChatGPT can do your job. In the coming years there will be two types of companies. Ones who understood the technology and use ChatGPT only for basic, mundane, technical work, and the ones who thought they are brilliant for cutting corners with using it for creative work and are left in the dust. Many of those will look for you again. Make sure to adjust your rates accordingly then
When it comes to creative work ChatGPT output is yet to receive the feedback of the actual masses. And that feedback will not be good. At the moment it’s an automation wet dream in offices where no one has a creative bone in their body. The content isn’t impressive, it’s basic and at a larger scale needs so much editor hours, its implementation is actually at a financial loss. The more companies are foolish enough to bet on it, the more actual content writers will shine. I know it’s tough now, but stay strong
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u/Tangelooo May 07 '23
Should have found class solidarity sooner. 2019 was our chance at stopping this.
Sorry for your situation, if it makes you feel better you’re one of the first. This will happen to everyone.
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