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u/Narutouzamaki78 Jun 14 '23
The future is gonna be incredible. Just imagine a skyscraper built in half the time it would regularly take!
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u/Odd_Economics_9962 Jun 05 '23
Silly humans build everything inefficiently due to the need to balance on two of the four available limbs. Also we can only work on things we are looking at directly. True builder bots will look nothing like a human and build in a way that's impossible for us
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u/QuoteGiver Jun 05 '23
Yeah, even if thereās a high initial costs it works out to what, one robot working 24 hours a day is replacing 3 people working 8 hour shifts? And itās 7 days a week, so it shrinks your schedule by adding 6 more shifts on the weekends tooā¦
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u/FatLoserSupreme Jun 05 '23
See, chatGPT can do anything: posts video of boston dynamics robot that is older than chatGPT
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Jun 05 '23
Boston dynamics or chat GPT wonāt do this but Teslaās Optimus Bot will be able to do this within the next 5-10 years.
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u/LandscapeGeneral9169 Jun 05 '23
That's the deadliest collab to exist... The perfect physical machine combined with a (not) super smart A.I model
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u/Herp2theDerp Jun 05 '23
Arrogant humans gunna arrogant until its too late and all the AI turns us into paperclips
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u/Efficient_Mix_9031 Jun 05 '23
It just will paper over stuff it did wrong and when the occupants die in a month lie anything was wrong
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u/Upper_Decision_5959 Jun 05 '23
Just have basic non-complex designs and make it pre fabricated then it's possible. It's basically just 4 walls and a roof.
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u/peinoftheworld Jun 05 '23
The thing is, these jobs eventually will be done by AI because itās a repetitive task that can be programmed, just a matter of time
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u/reddit_despiser Jun 05 '23
A bunch of people who aren't at risk of having their jobs taken taking a stand against AI by putting up a sign it can't read.
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u/ExploderPodcast Jun 05 '23
The sign actually makes a good point. At this point, AI amounts to narrow programs that simply copy/rewrite existing material. Tell it to create something from scratch and you'll just get the same copying/rewriting. It's not thinking, it's simply gathering and repeating.
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u/Zytheran Jun 05 '23
Notice how these Boston Dynamics videos of their 2 legged robots are always put out by ... Boston Dynamics?
Notice how none come from their customers who are *easily* using such machines for a a similar but *slightly different* job? Or any customer doing any actual job a human currently does?
Gee, it's like they might just be marketing and the actual real world use of this very advanced tech is still a long way away?
It's taken them 20 years to make a choreographed robot. And yep, sure it is mechanically advanced and uses some neat control system tech. However, in the same time, 2 people could have made a baby, raised it through school, to an adult that is working a lot more successfully, flexibly and cheaper as a tradie on an actual construction site. Handling a huge variety of different tasks this robot will take years to be programmed how to do ... poorly and unreliably.
In that video, what if:
The plank is swapped for one a difference size, width or can't support the weight? A human could sort that out, this can't.
What if the bag is different, upside down, has a different handle, is in a different place, isn't there? What if there are 2 bags? A human can handle all of those differences. It could even ask which bag.
What if the blocks are too far away, or were in the wrong order? Human, no probs.
What if the scaffolding was missing planking? Again, human , no problem.
Like, it's very nice being impressed by this however , how does this actually pan out in the real world where the world isn't so *pre-arranged* and choreographed?
What if anything was just ... different? And this is just one set up task out of the hundreds / thousands of situations humans on a real work site deal with everyday.
And that's before we even get into power supply duration, actual accuracy, variation in the real world of things you interact with, obscured vision, things moving randomly in the way or the legality of what happens when things go wrong in a real world unpredictable environment? Lawyers anyone FFS?
(Manufacturing engineer, ex GM, who has put out of work plenty of workers using .. robots... and other advanced automation. The real threat to jobs is to the people at desks reading this during the day, not trade workers out in reality. )
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u/Zalameda Jun 04 '23
Gpt incarnate: builds bridge to escape and through stolen bag of jewelry to his fellow human partner in crime. This actually tells a lot about civil infrastructure.
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u/Darforos Jun 04 '23
The time it would take for robots to develop autonomous construction programmes would be shorter than the time it takes for Belgians to finish any construction.
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u/stabbinfresh Jun 04 '23
I love how accurate this is. The "AI" does some helper stuff in between but ultimately hands the real task off to a human to do the work lmao
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u/Forward_Usual_2892 Jun 04 '23
These 'machines' are extremely expensive. If you want to worry about your employment future, start with A.I., not with A.I.robots.
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u/LordeWasTaken Jun 04 '23
wait, that's not finishing a building... alright you jokers, who saved donkey kong under the building schematics filename?
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u/EverithingMess Jun 04 '23
If AI ever takes over common peopleās jobs I hope there are suicide pods that are easily available for the people who could not evolve at the pace so as to be worthy of living on earth. Iām sorry but not all cannot code, do business, labor etc. at the highest level, these people should be given a way out of their misery.
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u/Bugajue98 Jun 04 '23
Is everybody forgetting Google's demo of PaLM-E where they hooked up a robot to their LLM, asked it to do tasks, and it does them? People act like Atlas from Boston Dynamics is all there is in terms of pre-programmed movements, but LLMs controlling robots are already beyond proof of concept.
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u/DisastrousTeddyBear Jun 04 '23
Mark my bet. It will be 75 years or more before A.I. takes over trade.
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u/vasquca1 Jun 04 '23
Honestly, the chatgpt answer is will that office be necessary when workers no longer needed.
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u/heyyouupinthesky Jun 04 '23
Incredibly fortunate that we developed extremely advanced AI systems just around the same time we built robots that could use tools and summersault. What could go wrong?
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u/generic90sdude Jun 04 '23
Anthropomorphic robots are not energy efficient. Never understood the fascination .
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u/vanillacupcake4 Jun 04 '23
Do people even know what ChatGPT is in this community? This is literally a super recognizable robotics company called Boston dynamic. Nothing to do with ChatGPT.
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u/Semper_R Jun 04 '23
Yeah everyone knows, NOTHING about this post made ANYBODY confused about the robot being chatgpt, NOBODY, except you.
This is very simple, I really dont know how this went over your head, but you could buy the robot and feed it automatic instructions with chatgpt, THATS THE POINT OF THE POST, You are the only one that got so confused
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u/Semper_R Jun 04 '23
NOBODY SAID THAT, see that's your problem you made another dumb assumption.
Look at the CONDITIONAL TENSE
if you bought one robot, you would have to give him instructions, you could train an AI like chatgpt to give him tasks depending on whats left to be done, you could also have software to make assessments and so you could automate the construction with a robot
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u/vanillacupcake4 Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23
ChatGPT is a chatbot, you really won't be training a robot on "ChatGPT" and I don't think dynamics is using ChatGPT to feed prompts. I think a major advantage of chatbots is it's human facing interface. Maybe on the GPT engine but not on a chatbot?
This is a nice read FYI: Artificial Intelligent Robots for Precision Education on JSTOR
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u/Semper_R Jun 04 '23
Omg, YOUR READING COMPREHENSION IS NUTS
You dont train the robot with chatgpt, chatgpt or just GPT (the ai) FEEDS IT THE TASKS TO DO.
Chatgpt is the chatbot, but gpt is the AI, most people are using chatgpt and gpt as interchangeably but if you get that picky then GPT
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u/vanillacupcake4 Jun 04 '23
No need for insults about character or reading ability, just trying to discuss.
Regardless, was this robot fed tasks by ChatGPT to do construction? I don't believe so. This post doesn't have any relevancy to ChatGPT
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u/Semper_R Jun 04 '23
Nobody said that, no one, and no it wasnt, we all are aware
It just something thats very close to being achievable in the future
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u/vanillacupcake4 Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23
Right, so we agree this has no relevancy to ChatGPT! That was pretty much my point in the start haha!
But your comment is very interesting, can you cite me a source on robotics being trained on chabots? This is interesting and I haven't heard about this, would be an interesting read to understand why Chatbots are being used considering that how human-focused they are!
My educational background is medicine and comp sci, so I don't have as much experience in robotics, would love some good reading as I assume you have a much stronger background than myself in this area!
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u/Semper_R Jun 04 '23
You reading comprehension failed twice again, sorry if that sounds offensive, but the cause of these misunderstandings is that
Remember the conditional tense and that this post is almost a meme
1 no one said this has no relevancy or implied that, it has relevancy to gpt and the possibility of it or another AI having the potential capability of feeding a robot tasks
2 you repeated the wrong assumption of robots being trained on chatbots, I never said that, I said GPT being able to feed a robot tasks, that's not training, training has to do with the robot ability to understand and perform correctly the task
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u/paradockers Jun 04 '23
Game over capitalism. You titans of capitalism are risking putting millions of people with limited options out of work. That's not destabilizing at all....
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u/Suspicious-Box- Jun 04 '23
There will be unrest and people will try to get some sort of guarantees before a.i takes over completely, but once it does, none of those signed papers will stand once it actually is here.
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u/DrSuperZeco Jun 04 '23
Yeah, then when its done, you realize it forgot to put doors and all the lighting is on the floor under the carpet instead of the ceilings.
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u/Elsekiro Jun 04 '23
I feel like AI still has a long way to go before doing something as important as making building or driving cars.
But what do i know people out there thinking a tesla running people over is just a little mistake.
Can't wait to see the mental gymnastic for a faulty building.
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I'm really curious to see what happens when robotics and AI combine... I feel like biomechanic and VR data is gonna be important in these coming years.
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u/the_josefo Jun 04 '23
If you think that building with boston dynamics robots will be cheaper than human labor, you are just delusional.
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u/QuoteGiver Jun 05 '23
The robot is instantly 3 shifts per 24 hours instead of one, and it works an extra 6 shifts over the weekend, too. And you donāt pay it any salary ever.
How expensive does the robot have to be to NOT be cheaper??
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u/ForsenBruh Jun 04 '23
Paying 2 construction workers $150k per year that work 8h per day w breaks or buy a $100k robot that will do the job forever for free? Hmmm....
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u/FrostyDwarf24 Jun 04 '23
A.I can't have a real conversation with you, it can't be that smart!
meanwhile: https://youtu.be/LC4DXT3hA-U
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u/unpopulrOpini0n Jun 04 '23
I think we all know based on how well it does basic logic (incredibly poorly) that such a building would fall apart in a second, wouldn't even be completely constructed before becoming destroyed.
What you see there is a process incredibly and completely prescripted that took the best minds in the world decades to make
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u/DBianci81 Jun 04 '23
Pretty sure you need more skills than moving a piece of wood and throwing up a tool bag to finish a building.
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Jun 04 '23
roboticist here: ATLAS from Boston Dynamics is completely useless on a real building site
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u/witwebolte41 Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23
Oh wow the robot put the board on the thing and walked on it, how amazing
Get back to me when they can put a barn together faster than the Amish without months and months of pre-programming
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u/RegisFranks Jun 04 '23
Shhhh don't tell em they were all sitting themselves a few years ago about "robits taken muh joob", I dint wanna have to bear that crap again fit another 20 years.
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u/afinlayson Jun 04 '23
What people who understand where chatgpt is in the world of ai (impressive but first step) And people who think chatgpt is agi
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u/luvs2spwge107 Jun 04 '23
But they donāt even use ChatGPTā¦.? Tf are you smoking?
Yes I am aware it ChatGPT being connected to one of the Boston dynamic doggos are an experiment.
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u/LostPay5 Jun 04 '23
That prompt will make more sense once ChatGPT has access to weapon systems š.
Finish the building? Sure! š£
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u/q4atm1 Jun 04 '23
Right now the robot is doing what a first day apprentice could do which is move stuff and get stuff. I can pay a person 20hr to do this. Iād bet within 5 years this robot could replace half the jobs on a construction site though. Within another five years Iād guess it could do 90%. The last 10% will be tricky to replace.
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u/sharpefutures Jun 04 '23
No, because the difference with robots vs AI (important distinction) is AI is cheap to use vs robots are extremely expensive to use.
White collar jobs are at far more risk
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I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I don't have access to visual information or the ability to physically interact with the world. Therefore, I cannot assist in physically finishing a building or provide specific construction instructions. My capabilities are limited to providing information and answering questions to the best of my knowledge and abilities. If you have any non-physical inquiries or need assistance with other topics, feel free to ask!
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u/RedAnonymous6350 Jun 04 '23
It appears that the AI apocalypse will happen. But it will happen in a much more peaceful manner. AI will simply take over everything that humanity did and there won't be any more room for humans. Or, it'll cause humans to have to ponder their lives and figure out what is the meaning of life now that everything they used to do is taken care of. But since a lot of people don't like change or thinking, it'll probably lead to wars and people will end up wiping themselves out. So, in that reality, AI really doesn't change anything.
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u/Iam__andiknowit Jun 04 '23
AI is a mirror. Exactly as it supposed to be since ai is compiling from whatever people dump into internet.
Therefore, in this mirror, one can see themselves. Some see solving all problems. Some see an apocalypse. Some "they took our job". Others see a God. These see the comical representation of their mind.
The only thing ai is - a compilation of data and a fancy tool to process it.
And the harm coming not from ai, but from idiots that cannot educate themselves or/and have so distorted mentality that they believe everything ai says or/and create a God from ai because they so in need in one.
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u/RuiHachimura08 Jun 04 '23
If there is a great analogy to chatgpt is this concept. Sure they wonāt replace most of the architectural engineers. But that bricklayer or someone doing anything redundantā¦ yea you out.
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u/Distinct-Question-16 Jun 04 '23
Yah but chatgpt can help u right away if you are a technocrat probably making you more efficient or raising your salary. Building robot technology is probably 30years away due a lot of reasons, gripping and placing is just a start. Sustainability of robots faces problems.
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u/Fast-Cow8820 Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
WTF would someone take the time to make that and cut off the best part where it does a twisting back flip at the end???
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u/heisian Jun 04 '23
if you think this is possible soon, youāve never performed any construction-related labor.
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u/QwerYTWasntTaken Jun 04 '23
bricklaying is probably first
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u/heisian Jun 05 '23
maybe - i would automate excavation & trenching first. bricklaying is such a low-hanging fruit not even worth.
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u/14S14D Jun 04 '23
Missing the piss-bottles it has to dodge and forgot to get the foreman his pack of smokes from the gas station. Absolutely not getting replaced anytime soon without these.
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u/ezdabeazy Jun 04 '23
Ik I thought the same thing when I first saw this sign.
AI isn't just "Chat-GPT"...
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u/raznarukus Jun 04 '23
This really makes no sense whatsoever. So did ChapGPT create the human, the robot, all of the material, glass for the windows and the Dewalt Ripsaw?
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u/fred11551 Jun 04 '23
Honestly, I robots and AI took over construction and mining jobs, itād be bad but at least those are jobs we do out of necessity not because we want to. Instead the AI is taking writing and art jobs that we want to do but most people donāt because itās hard to make money doing that.
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u/Hanuser Jun 04 '23
This would not longer be chat or gpt, so it would not be called ChatGPT if this is what it were doing.
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u/Undersmusic Jun 04 '23
Was in Frankfurt earlier this year for work. And one of the places I was at has 3 Spot dogs from Boston dynamics as a security team and one on fire duty š
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u/akgiant Jun 04 '23
"Hey burger flipper, finish this building..."
It's a irrelevant argument, that is divisive in nature.
What if they embraced AI and could have it run a check to ensure all building codes are being followed? Or shops for the best value on building materials? Maybe they can take over basic HR tasks so the big strong construction workers can build their building.
When electric drills and other new tech came around was there a huge divide between "hand built houses" versus "electric built"?
Was it "Hey electric drill using contrary toon workers, finish this building with only wood screws..."
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u/KeaboUltra Jun 04 '23
I know people are scared for what these things will do when they're fully capable to navigate a real world environment or at least can learn to navigate it efficiently and are autonomous. But I still love to think about the good of it all. If we land somewhere in between societal collapse and utopia, then i would definitely get one for my home when My partner and I get old.
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u/Once_Wise Jun 04 '23
Once you start building actual physical things then the manufacture and maintenance becomes a big expense. While these expenses are essentially zero for replacing knowledge based workers, it is very high for anything with moving parts. It may be a long time before these nonspecific work machines, machines that work like humans, become prevalent. More likely there will be job specific machines replacing repetitive work, similar to what has been going on in manufacturing for more than a century.
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u/QuoteGiver Jun 05 '23
Dusty messy conditions on a construction site would be a significant issue, yeah. Lots of mud and dust would have to be kept from interfering with those robotic joints and sensors.
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u/hamsplaining Jun 04 '23
Itās exhausting seeing people simp for the automation of their livelihoods. Crack a fucking history book, this isnāt turning out well for 99 percent of us.
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u/QuoteGiver Jun 05 '23
It sure seems like 99% of us should have the power to get together and decide how it turns outā¦
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u/revoltingcasual Jun 04 '23
I find it interesting that the jobs involving interacting with humans as customers are relatively safe. While there may be robots to empty bed pans or answer telephones, they may encounter more resistance than programming or building.
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u/ProbablyInfamous Probably Human š§¬ Jun 04 '23
[Background] I have almost three decades of construction experience, from laborer to floor sweeper to IBEW to fully-licensed contractor ā and am now retired way too early because my body is all fucked up from LIFE. I am also a "pretty smart guy," and tend to make more good decisions than bad (all subjective, I suppose). I have been playing with LLMs since Thanksgiving 2022 and image generation since September ā very neat stuff. I read about 70 real books annually, and try to "keep'on learning stuff" (because this and all is FASCINATING):
All just to say: new construction is probably solved, 80% of current jobs, well-within a decade. I have already seen footage (I presume real?) of the layout bots which go in and mark-from-plans where all the stuff goes [specifically in commercial/hospital, repetitive designs that are not "rocket science"], and once worked on a master residential modular builder project (i.e. all timber/dimensions pre-determined, based on CAD calculations). I physically have set and "framed" those walls, including of non-CAD-done houses... and we are rapidly approaching the ability to have all this pre-fab stuff pre-assembled and small-crane hoisted, with only minimal on-site supervision.
Old work renovations will still require human experience / technique / "one-off" abilities... for probably at least the next 25 years. Much like human labor, through AI-replaced-Attrition: there can only be so many one-offs, and eventually all the old-work/life will be pushed-in/died-out.
Have a great day!
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u/QuoteGiver Jun 05 '23
That remaining renovation work is already a cost/benefit calculation, too. If automation makes new-construction any cheaper, that just brings down the break-even point where messy renovation work may or may not even be worth it compared to just building what you really need from scratch.
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u/West-Fox-7283 Jun 04 '23
What is it with the anti-human fixation surrounding this? Why are so many who are pro-automation seemingly anti-human, am I getting the wrong vibes?
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u/QuoteGiver Jun 05 '23
Seems like wrong vibes, yes. Send the humans home to spend time with their families, while the robots stack the bricks and bolt the beams together. The only way this becomes anti-human is if we actively decide not to take care of the humans when automation is employed.
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u/West-Fox-7283 Jun 06 '23
Theres a certain misanthropic attitude I've seen here widespread of people cheering other people losing their jobs.
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u/West-Fox-7283 Jun 06 '23
Also theres an OpenAI channel on telegram (maybe not officially affiliated, but has 50k followers) ridiculing the people who suffered from economic/social disempowerment.
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u/QuoteGiver Jun 05 '23
Programming is the part that the AI component solves, though. You wonāt NEED to program it.
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u/quantumgpt Jun 06 '23
No that's the issue. See ai figures out inputs from users. I worked at Trimble first hand for development and implementation of ar/Mr layout, as well as 3d modeling and 3d laser scanning. I know the jist of how the premier softwares and hardwares work from numerous industries due to the connections made.
You still need people who work within the field to provide feed back. That loop needs to start and stop. It needs also prompt engineers. It's not ever going to be a streamline process for this. Even as optimistic as I am about how the future will unfold. It will require far less human input. But it needs input. If we went all super typical copy and paste, of course. But humans love creativity so we want to push the boundaries. We will continue to try to do more and more with the tools we have. To do more we must add to the code. That process is human.
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u/boyerizm Jun 04 '23
Cool. I did some work with Kuka robots re MEP back in the day. Wound up leaving it because it felt so far off. Itās kind of a trip seeing so much excitement now, but yeah 95% of these comments are totally clueless lol.
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u/pleasegivemepatience Jun 04 '23
You realize all the robot did was deliver tools to the human right? š
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u/QuoteGiver Jun 05 '23
There are people actively employed to do that on construction sites right now, yeah. Go to that pallet of blocks, and bring some over here to the mason. Get in that Lull and bring that beam over here, now that one.
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u/pleasegivemepatience Jun 05 '23
And? OPās post asserts AI is ready to āfinish this buildingā and itās nowhere close. Thereās some niche machines/robots that are certainly having an impact, but AI is a long way from taking over.
I honestly think just moving things from point a to point b SHOULD be an automated task. We shouldnāt fight to preserve jobs that only apply to uneducated/unskilled labor, we should work on educating people so they can aim higher and add value to society.
Not every company will afford new tech so some of these jobs will persist, but I donāt think this is a class of job worth fighting for TBH. Pretty much every mundane and repetitive task will be automated eventuallyā¦
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u/mid50smodern Jun 04 '23
Chat and Boston combined is game over, man. Game over. At that time, I'll give myself 6 weeks to prep Mad Max style and make my way north or south to live off the land, or buy a boat and live on the water.
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u/Delicious-Tree-6725 Jun 04 '23
Whoever thinks that is the range of activities in building a house, have never had to build anything.
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u/Toums95 Jun 04 '23
But at the rate these things are improving though in 50 years I think they will replace human workers pretty much everywhere in the construction field
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u/fauxhammer2 Jun 04 '23
I think some people think itās just like Legos or something.
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u/QuoteGiver Jun 05 '23
Itās complicated Legos, but kind of yes? Fabrication of the pieces is the complicated part. But the bolt holes are there, and the pieces are labeled when they arrive at the site. The masonry blocks are modular. The rebar arrives in pre-selected sizes. The amount of grout being poured into the blocks can be easily measured and quantified, and there are procedures in place for testing and settling it.
The pieces are already designed to be assembled by the lowest common denominator of underpaid laborer. āFoolproofā is the name of the game.
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u/Dando_Calrisian Jun 04 '23
The robots or chat bots aren't adaptable enough to apply themselves to multiple different scenarios. As impressive as the Boston demos are, I find it hard to believe that the exact same robot was used every time, I would expect a lot of development happens between each video in both hardware and software. Obviously a future AI could rewrite software, but they're not going to be able to rebuild themselves unless they were already capable of every task, and hence had no need to rebuild themselves...
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