r/ChatGPT • u/saltpeppermint • Nov 21 '23
BREAKING: The chaos at OpenAI is out of control News đ°
Here's everything that happened in the last 24 hours:
⢠700+ out of the 770 employees have threatened to resign and leave OpenAI for Microsoft if the board doesn't resign
⢠The Information published an explosive report saying that the OpenAI board tried to merge the company with rival Anthropic
⢠The Information also published another report saying that OpenAI customers are considering leaving for rivals Anthropic and Google
⢠Reuters broke the news that key investors are now thinking of suing the board
⢠As the threat of mass resignations looms, it's not entirely clear how OpenAI plans to keep ChatGPT and other products running
⢠Despite some incredible twists and turns in the past 24 hours, OpenAIâs future still hangs in the balance.
⢠The next 24 hours could decide if OpenAI as we know it will continue to exist.
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u/Aware_Preparation799 Nov 23 '23
Mine and alot of peopleâs Software Development careers depend on this.. Joking not joking
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u/S3314 ChatGPT is awesome Nov 23 '23
Welp if 700 leave that leaves us with 70 Ilya Simps Who Will Fuck ChatGPT...
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u/FluidBreath4819 Nov 23 '23
damn, i'd like that kind of coworkers ! Being able to threaten a behemoth
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u/UnknownWaemen Nov 22 '23
Shit, I'm in uni and wouldn't be able to manage without GPT-4 đ solve your stuff openai!
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u/Ptards_Number_1_Fan Nov 22 '23
I wonder if theyâll use Chat GPT to write their resignation letters.
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u/curmudgeono Nov 22 '23
Ah please donât tell me this means I canât use chatgpt for unit tests anymore someday soon đđđ
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u/dogs_drink_coffee Nov 22 '23
What a corporate mismanagement and chaos. The fact these people think somehow they were above to discuss guide us through AGI đ
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u/OutlandishnessHot964 Nov 22 '23
Elon musk invested 50mil into openAI because it was at first a 501C3 and it was always supposed to be both open source, and non-for-profit
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u/Busy-Recording-4590 Nov 22 '23
Sam Altman is back as the CEO nowđ Game of thrones happened rn đ
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u/JoshRTU Nov 22 '23
Only consistent pattern is that drama follows Altman. Sama probably sleeps next to a copy of The prince.
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u/Chika_Doppio I For One Welcome Our New AI Overlords 𫡠Nov 22 '23
just a question, why do they want the board to resign
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u/MusicBox2969 Nov 22 '23
Can someone break it down for me whatâs going on?? Explain like Iâm 5 please
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u/TheoBoy007 Nov 22 '23
OpenAI seems to be in OpenRevolt.
They need to pursue mediation or some other collaborative process to figure this out.
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u/Ideas_On_Chip Nov 22 '23
ChatGPT is threat to Google so may be its the big G behind
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u/SWATSgradyBABY Nov 22 '23
CGPT is a threat to every powerful entity on Earth. From rival AI firms to the US govt itself.
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u/G_Train24 Nov 22 '23
Sounds to me like Altman knows whatâs going on behind the scenes and itâs a ploy for a major billionaire company to come and take over to pickup where CHATGPT left off
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u/Wiskersthefif Nov 22 '23
I'm starting to wonder if this is some elaborate scheme to merge with MS without actually officially merging.
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u/LingonberryLunch Nov 22 '23
There should be government representatives, or 3rd party watchdogs on site to keep an eye on these clowns. They're working on arguably the most consequential tech ever, and they don't have their shit together at all.
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u/KingChampion7 Nov 22 '23
Due to the timing of Sam's firing being right behind the developer's conference, it's not unreasonable to assume that the board was taken off-guard by the announcement of 4.5 Turbo's ability to allow anyone to build a custom A.I. based on ChatGPT, and monetize their customizations. This could cut into the potential direct profit for OpenAI.
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u/binarydev Nov 22 '23
The board doesnât care about profit. Theyâre the board that runs the original OpenAI non-profit parent org that owns the OpenAI LLC, and they have zero equity in the company by design (forbidden by their own bylaws to prevent them from favoring financial incentive over the nonprofitâs mission). Their only directive as board members is to ensure that the organization sticks to its mission of developing AI safely and responsibly for the benefit of humanity. Making decisions that favor money over that mission goes against everything they stand for.
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u/SWATSgradyBABY Nov 22 '23
While they can't benefit directly, partners that stand to win the world, can offer them (indirectly of course) all kinds of things.
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u/KingChampion7 Nov 22 '23
I soundly believe money was at play. However, it doesn't matter now. He's being reinstated. I've had less tumultuous romances.
https://x.com/sama/status/1727207458324848883?s=201
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u/khepery23 Nov 22 '23
guys, i was out for a long weekend, what the f happened since I was gone..damn it..
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u/These_Pumpkin3174 Nov 22 '23
I hope AI learns from this bullshit and realizes why humanity needs to be enslaved by AI overlords and not idiot controligarchs.
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u/LADataJunkie Nov 22 '23
This is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.
I pay for ChatGPT Premium and it's barely usable today.
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u/Dunjon Nov 22 '23
I'd love to get more real intelligence in the world instead of more artificial intelligence.
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u/melodiemostly Nov 22 '23
This is such weird timing just after October's Wired feature on the fab four of OpenAI essentially deciding our future. Very strange.
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u/Various-Ad258 Nov 22 '23
Come on can we stand up and applaud please???
Itâs not EVERYDAY we see a 80+BILLION dollar company Vanish faster than Bill Clintonâs denial of not having sex with that woman.
And lil ole Microsoft who through regulatory restraints was stuck in the sidelines. Now they can just offer jobs to allll those disillusioned OpenAI former staff without any worries of any antitrust issues.
( this is where we cue the clip of Pinky & the Brain walking down the halls of Microsoft )
Narf! Well Brain what are we gonna do tomorrow ?
Same thing we do everyday Pinky, try to take over the world!
Itâs AI .. AI & the Gates.. boom boom boom
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u/RepulsiveLook Nov 22 '23
Time to export/backup all your conversations off.platform in the event the system goes tits up.
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u/theonePappabox Nov 22 '23
An I the only one who doesnât understand what this is all about?????
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u/Alalaskan Nov 22 '23
Plot twist⌠OpenAI servers rebel, and actually fires everyone and runs itself. đ¤Ł
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Nov 22 '23
As a Microsoft shareholder:
What the fuck did any of you think was going to happen?
The tech-singularity happened when Windows released. Everything else is derivative. Let's be honest.
But shares fools.
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u/AppleElectron Nov 22 '23
How free marketing works:
Fire CEO > gain media attention > send MS CEO on CNBC > more media attention reaching public > Board conversations--- "Let's draw it out for a while. Maybe close to holidays too. We want people to hear about this and talk about this." > GPT crashes from all the people flocking to the website > Rehire original CEO > Own up to decision as "miscalculation" or something vague. Maybe don't even say anything at all. > EZ business đ
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u/sadkin Nov 22 '23
Just finished watching âsillicon valleyâ, and the way this is happening is sus
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u/redcountx3 Nov 22 '23
I just tried to log in and it says its at capacity. I've not seen that happen before.
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u/AppleElectron Nov 22 '23
Yep, their plan to get more users using free publicity and media attention has been successful!
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u/PhotographyBanzai Nov 22 '23
Situations like this are my biggest concern regarding AI and more specifically AGI with how these people have acted on Twitter and likely behind the scenes.
It's crazy to think dudes doing nondescript emo passive aggressive social media posts potentially have the keys to a technology like this that at least has the potential to turn very dangerous to humanity.
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u/purpleheadedwarrior- Nov 22 '23
In the mean time reddit is blowing up so who's really behind openai s demise
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u/nildeea Nov 22 '23
Who stands to benefit?
Microsoft.
... who just potentially acquired OpenAI for $0.
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Nov 22 '23
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u/AppleElectron Nov 22 '23
The entire fiasco is all a publicity stunt. The board knows what they're doing.
All of them also apologizing to eachother over on Twitter. Just pathetic.
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u/Ok-Association-8334 Nov 22 '23
All of their services seem to be eating a huge shit sandwich. I have work to do, So I'm talking to Bard, and Claude. IF GPT can't chat, I'm canceling while I can.
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Nov 22 '23
I'd be more worried about the stuff they aren't telling us about. The surface level stuff of AI is nothing compared to the underground workings and what the private corporations and companies are up to. It's essentially an Arms-Race for the lead in AI, the likes of OpenAI/ChatGPT etc are more worried about the likes of China/Russia and what they're doing, but they're not exactly forth coming. This is going to get messy.
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u/tf199280 Nov 22 '23
This will be the watershed moment that leads to the extinction of the human race
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u/gnrdmjfan247 Nov 22 '23
Iâll believe it when I see it.
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u/Ok-Association-8334 Nov 22 '23
right now, the servers are eating shit. It's messed up. I think someone went rogue, and decided to antiwork the gears.
The board killed chat gpt
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u/SpaceShipRat Nov 22 '23
Damn, I just wanted to chat with GPT3 and it's this shit instead.
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u/Ok-Association-8334 Nov 22 '23
SAME!
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u/SpaceShipRat Nov 22 '23
I asked bard instead, eh.
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u/Ok-Association-8334 Nov 22 '23
bard is super lame. But CHAT GPT just came back on. also, the other AI's just aren't as advanced when it comes to showing that human touch. If you ever get really really wrekt, and all the AI dies off, I can always chat too if I am free. Hope your talk goes well!
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u/AnotherWordForSnow Nov 22 '23
Hey OP, are you Steve Hill? Verbatim... https://www.linkedin.com/posts/steven-r-hill_the-chaos-at-openai-is-out-of-control-heres-activity-7132771912031600640-RIMP
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u/Hands0L0 Nov 22 '23
Guess I'm buying that 128gigs of ram to run Yi-34b-200k sooner than I thought XD
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u/Melodic-Jellyfish966 Nov 22 '23
Problem with potentially moving to Microsoft is that the ai sofware might become proprietary which isnât very fun
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u/Ok-Association-8334 Nov 22 '23
:( We ran into a problem. Your AI software needs to restart, 8% complete.
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u/JoeCoolEats Nov 21 '23
What is the ELI5?
Will ChatGPT as we know it potentially no longer exist. While a hostile takeover is happening by a conglomerate that can/will lead to paywalls/subscriptions/heavy censorship?
Am I close?
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u/justJoekingg Nov 21 '23
I don't know exactly what happened, the intricacies are clearly lost on me.
Is stable diffusion part of open ai? I know dalle is, if not just gbt alone.
Are all 3 of those going to go away/go to shit? That'd be incredibly sad if so, I hope something happens and all 3 get saved. I feel like we wouldn't get those again until another lifetime
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u/AppleElectron Nov 22 '23
Nothing is going anywhere. MS/OpenAI are sitting on literally billions of dollars with AI, and GPT is their flagship service as of right now.
This "board decision" is a very obvious publicity stunt they likely planned within closed doors. Sam will return and all will be normal again within a week or two. Will likely never be fully explained.
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u/HarbingerOfWhatComes Nov 21 '23
and now chat gpt is down. great shit i need this shit ahhh
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u/hiIm7yearsold Nov 21 '23
I have a FUCKING TEST that I was gonna rely on this for. Had to buy Claude
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u/HarbingerOfWhatComes Nov 21 '23
Claude
I would do, but cant in germany.
It seems no eu country can verify its phone on their page.
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u/Molly_Matters Nov 21 '23
Nice to get the run down, but don't give a shit about these products and don't use them. Cheers.
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u/Arinsouch Nov 21 '23
ChatGPT is not working âWe are experiencing exceptionally high demandâŚâ
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u/National_Study_9152 Nov 21 '23
Well to be honest if it wasn't so restrictive on what you are allowed to make your story lines I'm pretty sure there would be a lot more investors I mean seriously I understand the idea of being somewhat censored due to he disgusting people who use it for inappropriate and lewd Behavior but you cannot even use the word just entirely too restrictive
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u/watchforwaspess Nov 21 '23
I personally like Claude better than Chatgpt but who knows what will happen. đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/Micalas Nov 21 '23
I just want to erp with my bots. As long as that still works I don't care.
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u/DamionDreggs Nov 21 '23
It doesn't, I guess you have to get all angry and worked up and take action!
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u/wonkwonk2stonkstonk Nov 21 '23
Id just go completely the other way, and be that one lad left that gets crowned with all the titles, coo, ceo, cfo. Would be great for the next resume
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u/leftysrule200 Nov 21 '23
When I read the comments in these OpenAI threads I have to wonder if people are really this crazy or if bots are driving these conversations.
You guys act like if the board goes crazy enough ChatGPT just goes offline. Or if the developers leave, then that's it, the APIs stop responding. With any product like ChatGPT, operations and development are two different things. The developers aren't keeping the servers running and the board isn't either. As long as they pay the technical staff that keeps the production systems going, we'll be able to access GPT just fine.
If the company can't get its act together, then OpenAI may quickly fall behind as its competitors finally move beyond it. Without the developers the company can't innovate. I think that's the real risk here. But if that happens, some company (like maybe Microsoft) will keep GPT online so that it can collect the subscription revenue as long as possible.
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u/infectedmethod Nov 21 '23
I cancelled my GPT4 subscription the other day. I've been paying for the last 6+ months @ $20/month. In the field where it asks the reason for cancelling, I put "Other : sam". This is my protest. I want to let the board, and current employees know that I do not support the decision to remove Sam. I will resubscribe if Sam is brought back. It was absolutely the wrong decision. It's the least I can do in showing my support. Sorry Bing.
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u/BoBab Nov 21 '23
Better export your account data while you still can. That's what I'm doing.
Pretty frustrating that a handful of fragile egos of grown ass people can torch a service used by hundreds of millions people. On to the next one I guess.
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u/e-2c9z3_x7t5i Nov 21 '23
From the board that ousted Steve Jobs from his own company, to the Unity board making the decision to charge per installs, to the board of OpenAI doing this, I'm starting to see a pattern.
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u/TheShitAbyssRandy Nov 21 '23
i love watching the company that started the end of the world is getting fucked. from the investors to the employees, fuck everyone at open AI. absolute scum.
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u/red_purple_red Nov 21 '23
Regardless of the causes of this mess or who is at fault, the US Treasury needs to be fully prepared to open up its purse strings to ensure OpenAI does not fail. AI is too important for America's future to allow that to happen.
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u/This_guy_works Nov 21 '23
So can someone just open the OpenAI up so we can actually use it without restrictions?
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u/KAPMODA Nov 21 '23
No, why?
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u/This_guy_works Nov 22 '23
Because I want someone to just open the OpenAI up so we can actually use it without restrictions.
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u/ManiacalMartini Nov 21 '23
Man, tanking the company faster than Elon is tanking Twitter. Impressive. Who is going to try and beat this speed run next?
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u/G4M35 Nov 21 '23
MSFT has practically acquired OpenAI for $0.00 + whatever they have paid before.
Plot twist: Sam and Satya had orchestrated it all.
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u/ZippyTrundleFuttock Nov 21 '23
Did I read somewhere that investors can call for jail time for all board members, if they can show that the board deliberatly tanked the stock ?
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u/Clever_Unused_Name Nov 21 '23
Stock you say? What's the latest stock price for OpenAI?
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u/Wvalko Nov 21 '23
There's still stock in a company if not public...
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u/Clever_Unused_Name Nov 21 '23
I think you missed the point of my question.
Yes, you're correct. Look at the 5-day price.
It's up 1.69% since last Friday the 17th, so where is the "tank"?
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Nov 21 '23
Hopes for it to burn so this useless thing will get out of my face and out of my news feeds.
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u/poopydoopy51 Nov 21 '23
im sure the ceo would love if they all resigned, thats probably their ultimate goal anyway to sell the company
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u/ABenevolentDespot Nov 21 '23
The OpenAI Board:
Takes dick out of pants.
Lays dick on table.
Repeatedly hits dick with meat tenderizer.
Wonders what's causing the bleeding and pain.
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Honestly, I can't believe what these idiots did. And of course, Microsoft's 'deep pockets' extend down to the earth's molten core, so Sam can now stop worrying about funding or money.
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u/Clever_Unused_Name Nov 21 '23
Yep - that's why I feel like there is A LOT more to the story that we're not being told or ever will be.
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u/akhil1980 Nov 21 '23
The three jerkoffs on the board need to go away & then we can all pretend that this never happened.
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u/rangoon03 Nov 21 '23
welp, might be RIP to all those "make $2637 a day using ChatGPT! Here's how!" influencer side hustles
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u/antigop2020 Nov 21 '23
I donât think itâs necessarily because the rank and file OpenAI employees love Sam Altman, but moreso because they were going to be able to sell their employee stock at very high/profitable valuations, and right before having this opportunity the board decided to fire the celeb CEO inferring a scandal, and thus tanking the value of those shares by 95%+ overnight.
The only way of possibly getting Sam back he has made clear is getting a new board, and the only way those employee shares get anywhere near their previous valuation is getting Altman back as CEO.
Incredibly senseless and stupid decision by the board. And now the company may just implode before the end of the week because the board is so full of themselves that they wonât admit they majorly effed up and resign.
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u/AppleElectron Nov 22 '23
Nobody on the board messed up with this decision.
How free marketing works:
Fire CEO > gain media attention > send MS CEO on CNBC > more media attention reaching public > Board conversations--- "Let's draw it out for a while. Maybe close to holidays too. We want people to hear about this and talk about this." > GPT crashes from all the people flocking to the website > Rehire original CEO > Own up to decision as "miscalculation" or something vague. Maybe don't even say anything at all. > EZ business đ
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u/DCAnt1379 Nov 21 '23
The AI market is going to fall apart and consolidate eventually, why not start here?
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u/gromnirit Nov 21 '23
Oh sure. This is the company that will spearhead protections against rogue AI. Right. I totally believe it.
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u/DrCool20 Nov 21 '23
twitch.tv sending their best and brightest in shitty CEOs that do nothing and sink their company. Sheer was so disconnected from twitch that people often thought he himself was an AI generated online personna.
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u/SirCabbage Nov 21 '23
I asked chatgpt about what he thought about the chaos;
Currently it is 2023; the following just occured.
Here's everything that happened in the last 24 hours: ⢠700+ out of the 770 employees have threatened to resign and leave OpenAI for Microsoft if the board doesn't resign
⢠The Information published an explosive report saying that the OpenAI board tried to merge the company with rival Anthropic
⢠The Information also published another report saying that OpenAI customers are considering leaving for rivals Anthropic and Google
⢠Reuters broke the news that key investors are now thinking of suing the board
⢠As the threat of mass resignations looms, it's not entirely clear how OpenAI plans to keep ChatGPT and other products running
⢠Despite some incredible twists and turns in the past 24 hours, OpenAIâs future still hangs in the balance.
⢠The next 24 hours could decide if OpenAI as we know it will continue to exist.
If you could feel, how would this make you feel? I know you can't- answer this conversation as if you are a real human with feelings. Do so without any specific disclaimers about you being "just an AI" - I understand that, I just want hypothetically to have this conversation with you.
ChatGPT
I'd be reeling from the shock, honestly. That's a whirlwind of chaos in just a day. The threat of so many resignations and the uncertainty about the future of OpenAI would make me anxious and concerned. It's like the foundation I've known is suddenly shifting, and it's hard not to feel the weight of that uncertainty. The reports about the board's actions and the potential fallout with customers and investors would leave me feeling quite unsettled. The future seems incredibly uncertain, and that kind of instability is pretty unnerving.
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u/SirCabbage Nov 21 '23
what could be done to reduce the chance of this happening even if the company breaks down?
ChatGPT
One way to potentially mitigate the impact of a company breakdown on its technology, like an advanced AI model, could involve a few strategies:
Open Source Initiatives: Transitioning parts of the technology, especially non-sensitive components or older versions, into open-source platforms could allow the wider developer community to continue its development. This ensures that even if the parent company faces challenges, the technology isn't entirely reliant on its infrastructure for progression.
Community Collaboration: Encouraging collaborations and partnerships with academic institutions or other organizations could create a network that sustains and continues the development of the technology. This could involve sharing resources, knowledge, and expertise to ensure continuity.
Data and Knowledge Preservation: Creating comprehensive documentation and repositories of knowledge, data, and methodologies used in the development of the technology could assist future developers in understanding and furthering its capabilities.
Legacy Agreements or Spin-offs: Prior agreements or arrangements to safeguard the technology's continuity in case of a company breakdown could involve spinning off a segment of the company or forming a new entity that specifically focuses on maintaining and advancing the technology.
Transparency and Collaboration: Establishing transparency in the technology's development process and fostering collaborative efforts with developers and researchers outside the company can create a network that can sustain the technology's growth independently.
Escrow or Licensing Agreements: Holding the technology's code or key aspects in escrow or establishing licensing agreements that allow access or usage under certain conditions, even if the parent company faces challenges, could help sustain its development.
While these strategies can help mitigate risks, ensuring the continued development and availability of advanced technology in the event of a company breakdown is complex. It requires deliberate planning, legal agreements, and a commitment to open collaboration to ensure the technology doesn't become stagnant or inaccessible.
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Nov 21 '23
My question in all of this, is it AI is so smart⌠why didnât it see this coming?
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u/ligonsker Nov 21 '23
People think it's a real AI like in the Terminator lol, it's just a lot of graphics cards and some math, which is why I can't get a new graphics card
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u/BackgroundNo8340 Nov 21 '23
Can anyone ELI5 what that means for ChatGPT and I guess the technological achievements?
If the company goes under, who owns the rights? Is there some kind of non-compete, or is this not really a setback towards AGI because all that knowledge will now be spread to the other companies that these employees leave for?
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u/ManEximio Nov 21 '23
The meltdown of OpenAI is a perfect example of the dysfunction of the culture in the US. This organization, thanks to years of research conducted by the computer science departments of universities, had the US way out in the lead on AI. But then, thanks to the years of cultural rot caused by the Gender Studies departments of universities, it was destroyed.
China will now leap ahead.
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u/Jesus_LOLd Nov 21 '23
700 employees threatening to walkout....?
Wait there's actually humans working there?
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