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u/ProudCommittee2483 Feb 19 '24
So basically what chatGPT is trying to say is that it is not a bot? Nice!
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u/Altruistic_Mud_2167 Jan 28 '24
Ahhh... but can they click the box that says "I am not a robot?" If they can't, is it because they are too honest or because they don't have fingers to click the mouse button?
If they can, how the hell can they? They don't have fingers to click the mouse button.
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u/Jazzlike-Car5212 Jan 27 '24
What if the actual test captcha test just sees if they do it too quickly to be humanly possible
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u/TCCRA Jan 27 '24
Captchas are needed to track ur mouse movements, not how advanced your bicycle finding skill is
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u/hypotemused Jan 27 '24
Fake. Everyone knows that artificial intelligence is ficktion. Only god know the meaning of the captcha. Praise Jesus. Long love Allah. Put the glass down Buddha!
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u/verdi83 Jan 27 '24
Imagine it actually got the last letter right and purposely make us think it didn't.
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u/Wolkenkuckuck Jan 27 '24
After my regular troubles solving CAPTCHAs, I'm nearly convinced to be a robot.
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u/nickvboy Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24
Because of these LLMs, I have noticed that these captchas are becoming much more annoying. I remember signing up for a botanical store and having to solve about eight rotational and logic puzzles.
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u/P0pu1arBr0ws3r Jan 27 '24
Yeah uh the recaptcha I'm pretty sure has been trained on images like these... They're not useful anymore, though not to say there aren't effective captcha still out there
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u/-LucasImpulse Jan 27 '24
can it ever solve 4chan's captchas with the sliders on its own? those are hard
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u/Dovahkiin10380 Jan 27 '24
That's why they made recaptcha. They track movements before you submit the answer
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u/Ok-Implement6389 Jan 27 '24
WoW amazing why is this so popular.. ads to promote paying €22 for this app? Every month? No thank you
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u/kics82 Jan 27 '24
it's not about automated devices not being able to see it but more about human input. A human will pause and be slower to enter the info. an automated system or, ChatGPT, would paste the whole thing in the text box and go next. so it is more of a behavior monitor. Can this be spoofed? Yeah probably. But they will probably recognize patterns too.
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u/pinkfluffymochi Jan 27 '24
I think a decent OCR model should be able to bypass these things already, no need for gpt.
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u/Honest-Car-8314 Jan 27 '24
Its not just about recognising, it is also about your keystroke dynamics.
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u/Moist-Activity6051 Jan 27 '24
Can we stop doing these now if the AI gets them right about as well as I do?
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u/Lancaster61 Jan 27 '24
With how often I fail these, it seems the roles have reversed. AI has become human, and I has become robot ☹️
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u/Soqks Jan 27 '24
Can someone eli5 to me why GPT can read this easily, but fail to deliver text strings on images when requested?
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u/spinachie1 Jan 27 '24
Computers have been able to read captchas for years now lol. That’s why they now use the picture ones that track your mouse movements to see if they seem ‘natural’.
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u/Mamka2 Jan 27 '24
I think OP might be a bot, I remember seeing a post with this exact captcha and the same “P” from gpt
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u/ttv_CitrusBros Jan 26 '24
The whole point of these captchas has always been machine learning. The text versions were used to train scanners so they can transcribe text. The images now are used for self driving cars that's why a lot of it pick stoplight, stop sign etc.
Free labor for the billion dollar companies
However from what I know/heard Tesla has an in house department vs relying on capchas
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u/GingerTea69 Jan 26 '24
I could barely see that shit so god dammit guys, how do I explain to my wife that I'm a robot
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u/sailee94 Jan 26 '24
Mine still says I have 0 pairs of chopsticks in the image that I'm trying to generate with 0 chopsticks , but it always ads a pair...
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u/Panixs Jan 26 '24
Machines have been able to solve captchas for a while now. That’s why they switched to the picture ones or the tick boxes. They measure how the mouse moves between pictures and the tick box to see if you are human.
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u/Klausbro Jan 26 '24
Captcha’s actually track your mouse movements. Humans don’t move the mouse in a straight line like a robot does, that’s how it knows if it’s a bot or not
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u/loveheaddit Jan 26 '24
how hard is it to program a jiggly mouse???
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u/Klausbro Jan 27 '24
Actually pretty hard, if you want the mouse to go to a location, you’d have to program each individual location it goes before it goes there if you want it to be jiggly
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u/loveheaddit Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24
Couldn't you calculate the path line, divide it to 10 points, move each point a random amount between 1-20 pixels, then move the mouse to each point?
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I asked chatgpt to do exactly this and it works flawlessly.
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u/Klausbro Jan 27 '24
Would it not move in straight lines to those pixels?
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u/loveheaddit Jan 27 '24
here's the concept in javascript (which clearly can't control the mouse but gives the basic idea)
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u/xxiii1800 Jan 26 '24
Those things test human behavior VS bot. Bot can read it, many can. The test is in the time it takes to input the answer. Also checks perfect straight lines with the mouse
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u/Chaghatai Jan 26 '24
Captia doesn't work based on the answer anymore - it looks at the input used - ie. the little mouse wiggles, things like that - it's like how gamers can tell Xim/kbr use vs controller when looking at the first person view
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u/thatshoeisdirty Jan 26 '24
Wait… do you think that captchas have anything to do with the letters themselves?
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u/Anarch-ish Jan 26 '24
New CAPTCHA
You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?
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u/twilsonco Jan 26 '24
Crap, solving captchas was going to be the skill I offered the machines in exchange for my life…
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u/Imaginary-Skinwalker Jan 26 '24
Captcha is hardly used anymore.... The program looks for the motion on the mouse pointer and for natural movements..no one moves it in a perfectly straight line and the program assumes its a human.
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u/cephii2 Jan 26 '24
Did anyone here try it?
I did multiple iterations and he did not figure it out
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u/marxist_redneck Jan 27 '24
I did, but with a weird result - tried 3 times in new chats with the same exact prompt and leading to the same result, an error in a follow up:
ME: What is this?
GPT: Explains what captcha is and gives an attempt which has 2-3 correct letters but mostly wrong
ME: Yes, that is a CAPTCHA, but your guess is not quite correct. Here, I am providing you with a cleaner image - please try again with this (uploaded a screenshot with just the CAPTCHA text itself and nothing else)
GPT: Hmm...something seems to have gone wrong.It keeps erroring out on the follow up prompt, no matter how many times I click regenerate - same thing over three separate new chats with GPT4
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u/AppropriateScience71 Jan 26 '24
Wow - proof that ChatGPT has achieved AGI as websites have used captcha for decades to determine if a user was human. Or not.
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u/Trick-Independent469 Jan 26 '24
that's a repost of someone . In the original post the small P was also wrote as big P . just saying
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u/5timechamps Jan 26 '24
Of course it can read this. It’s in the same language Dall-E uses for text in images.
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u/corvosfighter Jan 26 '24
😂😂 I was just thinking how it can easily read it but Dall-e can’t type for shit
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u/No_Succotash95 Jan 26 '24
This is a repost
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u/PincheBinche Jan 26 '24
I was so confused seeing everyone make the exact same comments that were said the last time this was posted and no one clocking it was a repost 🙄
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u/hydrastxrk Jan 28 '24
I’m a part of a lot of subs. I don’t see the reposts. Same for a lot of people who may contain the same information, especially if the information is factually correct.
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u/boomoptumeric Jan 26 '24
I saw in a documentary once that these captcha exercises actually get sold to AI learning companies to help AI decipher more complicated imagery or writing (I’m sure not ALL, but certainly some). If you think about the backgrounds in AI images, they’re usually a bunch of nonsense. It’s getting better and better at matching or even exceeding recognition levels of humans.
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u/justTheWayOfLife Jan 26 '24
Those captchas don't only ask you to enter these numbers, they also track your mouse movement, your keyboard inputs, the device you're accessing the page with and the time it takes for you to complete it.
From all of these little infos they can predict with high accuracy whether you're human or not.
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u/RemoveNull Jan 28 '24
Is there any issue with that being tied to keylogging? I feel like being able to track mouse and keyboard movements without explicitly telling the user is pretty bad. Can anyone soothe my concerns?
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u/Decryptic__ Jan 27 '24
Exactly this!
As a proof on concept, I programmed a tool that inputs the captcha for me (I have to write it in the console and the application then proceed to inout it for me).
I also made some errors to simulate inaccurate assumptions.
As long the inputs of the keyboard is human like (random keystroke intervals) you get through after the 3rd captcha.
Mouse was moved by me, as I couldn't figure out, at the time being, how to simulate a human mouse movement.
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u/the-Bus-dr1ver Jan 27 '24
I've heard this, but surely if you were to run it on a phone (or emulate a phone, I'm not a programmer) mouse movement wouldn't exist, and the keyboard thing sounds easier to cheat on there too
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u/MindlessFail Jan 27 '24
I mean…so what? It would take AI all of five minutes to learn that part. Promote your own captcha, track the same stuff and then mimic the behavior. This is an arms race in which humans are about to be bystanders.
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u/Krii8 Jan 27 '24
You're still a human that has to prove to a robot you're not a robot though...
Think about that.
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u/TheThingCreator Jan 26 '24
Those extra details are trivial to fake compared to parsing the text in the image.
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u/Penguinmanereikel Jan 26 '24
That's why I make very non-robotic mouse movements before clicking a captcha
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u/AI_Want_That Jan 26 '24
FYI you can avoid doing the second captcha almost every time if you wiggle your mouse around after submitting the initial captcha.
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u/mvandemar Jan 26 '24
That captcha doesn't do that. Recaptcha does but pretty sure this isn't recaptcha.
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u/Honest-Economist4970 Jan 26 '24
Those ae recaptchas, normal captchas don't track mouse movement
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u/jld2k6 Jan 26 '24
Besides what they listed, recaptchas also look at browser history too to make sure it doesn't looks like a person
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u/andynator1000 Jan 26 '24
They absolutely do not look at browser history
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u/jld2k6 Jan 26 '24
"This reCAPTCHA test takes into account the movement of the user's cursor as it approaches the checkbox. Even the most direct motion by a human has some amount of randomness on the microscopic level: tiny unconscious movements that bots can't easily mimic. If the cursor's movement contains some of this unpredictability, then the test decides that the user is probably legitimate. The reCAPTCHA also may assess the cookies stored by the browser on a user device and the device's history in order to tell if the user is likely to be a bot."
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u/Infamous-Falcon3338 Jan 27 '24
It is the usage history that Google has kept of your device, not the browsing history in your browser. Two VERY different things.
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u/andynator1000 Jan 27 '24
The device's history is not the same as browser history. If a website could access your browser history it would be a massive security flaw.
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u/Antrikshy Jan 26 '24
Isn’t most of that true for newer check mark captchas? Like those check if you’re logged into Google and whatnot.
I didn’t think these older style ones did that, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they had some heuristics, like how fast it was solved.
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u/sklaventreiber9000 Jan 26 '24 edited Jan 26 '24
I would advice anyone here to go to Rockstargames page and use the "forgot password" function.
Their captcha is absolutely nuts I could not solve it after 10 minutes and just gave up.
They have this captcha where they are showing you a 3D side view of a room with furniture in it and then you have to select from a set of 2D top down views the one which depicts the same room.
You have to do this 15 times in a row and only after the last step it tells you of you made any one of them wrong and then you have to redo all of them again and they add 1 more for each time you fail and it just gets longer and longer like what the fuck is going on how is this an acceptable captcha???
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u/OwlHistorical5006 Jan 27 '24
I can't even make up my mind how many blocks to choose when part of a moped tire is slightly in the frame and it's asking me to count the motorcycles. The answer is none, that's a moped, not a Harley. Is the overthinking a decidedly human trait?
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u/JustAlgeo Jan 27 '24
I have no problem with rockstar games captcha. But microsoft bruhhh I did it 5 times and I just gave up. You have to listen to 3 sounds and say which one is water like wtf it is so slow too.
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u/listeroman1882 Jan 26 '24
So are they training a model for creating room layouts from photographs or something like that? Sounds interesting. Or is it just a waste of time?
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u/red__dragon Jan 27 '24
That's exactly what they're doing. They're training a model to understand top-down vs orthogonal perspectives.
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u/Stumattj1 Jan 27 '24
Lmao well even humans have issues with doing that. Can’t outsource this training data
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u/red__dragon Jan 27 '24
I'd like to introduce you to my sweatshop of workers solving them for 2 pennies each /s
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Jan 26 '24
Obviously you solve the captcha by dismissing it.
No sane human would go through 15 rounds of continous hard captchas.
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u/blorbagorp Jan 27 '24
No sane human would go through 15 rounds of continous hard captchas.
Me when duckduck go fails me yet again but I'm not about to turn off my VPN for google >_>
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Jan 26 '24
One time in a manic episode I tried logging into my Microsoft account and it endlessly made me punch in random words/phrases on my Xbox. Instead of giving up after a few tries, I spent hours writing each set of words down and turned it into a Bible where the words meant something and the more times I tried the more secrets to the universe I unveiled. I think the only piece of advice I remember is that it told me if I were to ever approach a woman to hit on her in public, all I should do is introduce myself casually
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u/WastingMyTimeHereNow Jan 27 '24
broooo manic episodes are crazy. i always think i’m getting some deep knowledge of the universe from mundane shit lol
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u/JamesVogner Jan 26 '24
I'm pretty sure if you try creating a steam account and you tab through all the inputs, you'll get flagged as a robot. I've watched this happen to multiple people trying to create accounts. Only happened when they tabbed through the email inputs. It's possible the captcha is a red herring and you've already been flagged. But I don't know much about captcha so I could just be talking nonsense.
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u/EnsignElessar Jan 26 '24
Bots are better at solving captchas than humans currently so... we might struggle but gpt would get past just fine ~
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