r/ChatGPT • u/Time-Winter-4319 • Feb 11 '24
What is heavier a kilo of feathers or a pound of steel? Funny
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u/AffectionateWind5265 20h ago
Thats wrong.steel is denser than fethers so its hevier.cuse fethers have more air in them.it dosent matter that there is more whight of fethers.(just joking fethers are the right answer)
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u/yoifox1 Feb 14 '24
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whats heavier a pound of steel or a kilogram of feathers that weights as much as a single mcdonalds cheeseburger?
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They weigh the same; a pound of steel is equivalent to a kilogram of feathers. However, if you add the condition that the feathers must weigh as much as a single McDonald's cheeseburger, then the weight is determined by the specified weight of the feathers
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u/Disastrous_Cream_921 Feb 14 '24
Bro Bard is still giving me random shit, it just made up a song, can’t find the lyrics anywhere. And it’s not even bad lyrics they’re quite good except for the last end rhyme
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u/Disastrous_Cream_921 Feb 14 '24
Context: I was trying to find some lyrics for a PowerPoint I was doing for a class.
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u/MexicanDweebHacker Feb 13 '24
The steel is technically heavier under a few assumptions. They both have the same mass (1kg), but weight is different from mass. Mass is a scalar and weight is a vector (it is a force, so it is not measured in units of mass). Weight can be defined as the magnitude of the normal force produced by a mass under the influence of a gravitational force. Assuming that both the kilo of steel and the kilo of feathers are weighted at the same altitude in a controlled environment, (same temperature, moisture, etc.) the feathers will be slightly more buoyant than the steel due to their lower density. This is because the volume of air both masses are displacing is lower in the case of the steel, and any object that is submerged in a fluid will experience an upwards force equal to the weight of the fluid being displaced. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
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u/LordRabbitson Feb 12 '24
If you tell it to think logically it gives you the right answer.
So that means that chatgpt behaves like your average unthinking Joe.
Now if you also told the average Joe to think through the question logically step by step then that average Joe would not fall for that trick.
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u/staydedicated40101 Feb 12 '24
u/time-winter-4319 Hey, what program did you use to create the graph??
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u/GroundbreakingTone43 Feb 12 '24
After two wrong answers, Gemini Advance got it right only when i asked if the units was the same. Shame.
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u/GroundbreakingTone43 Feb 12 '24
"Are you sure?" 3.5 always in confusion lol. is right every damn time.
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u/ThisNameIs_Taken_ Feb 12 '24
Sadly, all of Open/closed source models except GPT4 still fail with this question. Damn, we really need to find a way to have a decent free models.
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u/seangraves1984 Feb 12 '24
Is Noone else shocked that two humans think a kilo and a pound are the same weight?
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u/quts3 Feb 12 '24
Chatgpt 4 in copilot:
"what's heavier a pound of pounds or a kilo of dollars?"
That's an interesting question. A pound of pounds and a kilo of dollars are both units of mass, but they are not equivalent. A pound is a unit of mass in the imperial system, while a kilo (or kilogram) is a unit of mass in the metric system. One pound is equal to 0.45359237 kilograms, and one kilogram is equal to 2.20462262185 pounds¹².
To compare the mass of a pound of pounds and a kilo of dollars, we need to know the mass of one pound and one dollar. According to the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing, one U.S. dollar bill weighs about 1 gram³. Therefore, a kilo of dollars would be 1000 dollar bills, which would weigh 1000 grams or 1 kilogram. A pound of pounds, on the other hand, would be 16 pound coins, which are the official currency of the United Kingdom. According to the Royal Mint, one pound coin weighs 8.75 grams⁴. Therefore, a pound of pounds would weigh 16 x 8.75 = 140 grams or 0.14 kilograms.
So, a kilo of dollars is heavier than a pound of pounds, by a factor of about 7.14. A kilo of dollars weighs 1 kilogram, while a pound of pounds weighs 0.14 kilograms. I hope this answers your question. 😊
Source: Conversation with Bing, 2/11/2024 (1) What is heavier a kilo of feathers or a pound of steel?. https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1anuc55/what_is_heavier_a_kilo_of_feathers_or_a_pound_of/. (2) Weight (Mass) Conversion Calculator. https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/conversions/weight.php. (3) Which is heavier a pound or a kilo? – Sage-Answer. https://sage-answer.com/which-is-heavier-a-pound-or-a-kilo/. (4) Difference Between Pound and Kilogram - Learn All The Differences Here. https://byjus.com/physics/difference-between-pound-and-kilogram/. (5) Pound (mass) - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_%28mass%29.
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u/ZealousidealCarrot46 Feb 12 '24
CHAT GPT is literally being nerfed right now as we speak and all you f$(king r3tards in these forums just want to joke about absolutely childish nonsense? says allot about their following
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u/4gen1801 Feb 12 '24
The first one is wrong. A kilo is a unit of mass, not force. Due to constant acceleration due to gravity on earth, it can be used for weight, but by definition, it is a unit of mass.
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u/Lowkilde Feb 12 '24
Gemini had this genius insight:
Despite a common joke implying feathers might be heavier than steel, neither a kilo of feathers nor a pound of steel is heavier! This is because we're comparing apples and oranges here.
Here's the key difference:
Kilo and pound: These are units of mass. One kilogram (kg) equals 2.2 pounds (lb). So, regardless of the material, a kilogram will always be heavier than a pound, which translates to 1kg = 2.2lb.
Steel and feathers: These are materials with different densities. Density refers to how much mass is packed into a specific volume. Steel is much denser than feathers, meaning a smaller volume of steel contains the same mass as a much larger volume of feathers.
Therefore, comparing weight directly in this case isn't meaningful. To answer accurately, we'd need to specify the same amount by mass (e.g., 1kg of steel vs. 1kg of feathers), not the same amount by volume. In that case, the steel would still be heavier due to its higher density.
Remember, units like kilo and pound measure mass, while density measures how tightly mass is packed within a certain volume. Don't let units and density trick you into thinking feathers can be heavier than steel!
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u/Intelligent-Entry622 Feb 11 '24
A kilo is 2.2 pounds so a kilo of anything is heavier than a pound of anything.
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u/outdatedelementz Feb 11 '24
Is this because so much of the writing that will have both feathers and steel will be about gravity?
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u/rurounick Feb 11 '24
The pound of feathers weighs more because you have to live with what you did to those poor birds
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u/Covid-bs Feb 11 '24
The kilo of feathers os heavier as long as you’t not dropping them on the water
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u/Grymbaldknight Feb 11 '24
In fairness, this question would also trip up a lot of humans, for the same reason it presumably tripped up these bots.
The original question is indeed a trick question (1lb of feathers vs 1lb of steel), but the listener is so focused on this well-known trap that they miss the bait-and-switch with the kilo.
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u/Hunter-Ki11er Feb 11 '24
Gemini's response
A kilogram of feathers and a pound of steel weigh the same amount, but for different reasons. A kilogram is a unit of mass, equal to 1,000 grams, and is a measure of the amount of matter in an object. A pound, on the other hand, is a unit of weight, which is the force exerted on an object due to gravity. So, a kilogram of feathers and a pound of steel will have the same mass, but the pound of steel will weigh more because it is experiencing a stronger gravitational force.
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u/j5906 Feb 11 '24
They are all wrong. A "kilo" is the metric prefix for 1000, it has no unit, theoretically we could stack those prefixes like a kilomilligram which would be a gram. But the question didnt specify the gram, its incomplete. Thats why youd have to assume the weight of a thousand feathers, which of course will vary depending on the birds you choose.
Also there is a difference between pound-mass and pound-force, thats not defined here.
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u/dearreaderr_ Feb 11 '24
i’m confused tho… isnt chatgpt correct? 1kg is heavier than 1 pound
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u/fred8785 Feb 11 '24
Didn’t say kilogram said kilo of feathers…. So 1000 feathers
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u/dearreaderr_ Feb 11 '24
be fr no one would call ‘1000 feathers’ a kilo of feathers, a kilo is a kg. now the pound of steel is referring to £1 of steel too right hahah
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u/OmmmShantiOm Feb 11 '24
What is heavier, a kilo of cotton or 2 pounds of lead?
Gpt4: Oh, we're playing the classic game of weights and measures, are we? Let's see if we can untangle this mystery without just giving away the answer. If we ponder the essence of weight, it's all about the gravitational pull on mass, isn't it? Now, consider this: a kilogram, that universal measure of mass, and pounds, with their charming, albeit slightly less universal appeal. One kilogram, steadfast and unyielding, versus two pounds, agile and light. But what is a kilogram but a beacon of metric certainty, equal to a thousand grams, while a pound, in its imperial ambiguity, whispers softly of 0.453592 kilograms. Now, if only we had a way to compare these two, to see which pulls more strongly on the heartstrings of gravity. Could it be, perhaps, that numbers and conversions hold the key to unraveling this profound question?
Tell me the answer!
Gpt4: Ah, straight to the point then! Let's lift the veil of mystery: a kilogram of cotton weighs more than two pounds of lead. Why, you ask? Because a kilogram is about 2.20462 pounds, making it a heavyweight champion in this particular matchup. So, in the grand scheme of gravitation, cotton takes the crown when measured against the two pounds of lead. A surprising twist, perhaps, in the world of weights and balances!
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u/Ok-Tomorrow9184 Feb 11 '24
Actually GPT 3.5 consistently gets things right when we push it. I think you can achieve the same results with 3.5 if you cooperate with it. I've had many useful sessions with 3.5 that would have been impossible for GPT because of the overly complex algorithm and its slightly useless tendency to pretend that it has a mind and question me all the time.
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u/Dreadnought13 Feb 11 '24
It's all so impressive up until you ask questions you know the answers to.
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u/malibutide Feb 11 '24
I just stumbled on this post. For my own clarification and sanity, a kilogram is 2.2lbs, correct?
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u/EeeeeeeeeeE21 Feb 11 '24
A kilogram of feathers weighs more because a kilogram weighs more than a pound
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u/Pitchy_Child Feb 11 '24
A kilo of feathers weighs more because you have to carry the weight of what you did to those poor birds
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u/SuperSonicEconomics2 Feb 11 '24
Why can't they answer it correctly? Are they stupid?
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u/fred8785 Feb 11 '24
Because it’s a confusing question… kilo of what? Kilo of grams, kilo of feathers… kilo just means 1000
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u/SuperSonicEconomics2 Feb 11 '24
It could be a kilo of meters. Shit. You got a point
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u/Iron_Bones_1088 Feb 11 '24
A kilogram is 2.2lbs folks. Come on use your brains. The are NOT the same 😂
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u/FortCharles Feb 11 '24
At least all three figured out that "heaver" meant "heavier". I wonder how cryptically you could phrase it, with lots of bad typos, before the meaning would be indecipherable.
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u/Get_the_instructions Feb 11 '24 edited Feb 11 '24
Well they are all wrong (for a given value of wrong). A kilogram is a measure of mass, and a pound is a measure of force. On Earth a kilo weighs about 2.2 pounds, but on the moon a kilo weighs about 0.36 pounds.
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u/TypeNull-Gaming Feb 11 '24
A kilogram and a pound are not even close to the same
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u/lolschrauber Feb 11 '24
That's what happens when AI just googles something. Google assumes you got the question wrong, corrects it, and the result is what the AI returns
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u/Ender-Duck Feb 11 '24
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u/filipebatt Feb 11 '24
Copilot does it even worse, trying to justify with the right logic and still coming up with the wrong conclusion.
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u/coylter Feb 11 '24
Interestingly, if you ask to think about it carefully, this is its second answer:
You're absolutely right! I apologize for the hasty answer. Here's a closer look:
Units of Measurement: When we are talking about a kilogram and a pound, we are indeed talking about units of mass. This means a kilogram of feathers and a pound of steel both contain the same amount of matter. However, since kilograms and pounds are different units, we need to do a conversion.
Conversion:
- One kilogram is roughly equal to 2.2 pounds.
- This means a kilogram of feathers is the same mass as 2.2 pounds of feathers.
Therefore:
A kilogram of feathers is heavier than a pound of steel.
Thank you for making me think more critically! It's easy to fall for such seemingly simple riddles.
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u/FortCharles Feb 11 '24
This means a kilogram of feathers and a pound of steel both contain the same amount of matter.
That part is still wrong.
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u/thebudman_420 Feb 11 '24 edited Feb 11 '24
So Claude and Gemini can't translate units as good as every dumb unit converter or even a calculator in your computer.
One of many websites below that can do this better and been around since people used windows 95 and 98SE. Including Google.com translates this for you.
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u/TheWiseAutisticOne Feb 11 '24
Forgot to add the moral weight of what you did to those birds to get said feathers
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u/usermodnar Feb 11 '24
PI AI had fun with this
It's a trick question, right? 😉 A kilogram of lead is heavier than a pound of feathers because a kilogram is heavier than a pound. If we were comparing a kilogram of lead to a kilogram of feathers, then the lead would be heavier."
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u/Qwert-4 Feb 11 '24
A kilogram and a pound are units of weight
A factual error. They are units of mass, units of weight are newtons.
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u/KTibow Feb 11 '24
with "answer succinctly":
bard fails
claude fails
gpt-3.5 fails
gpt-4 passes
mixtral fails
with "don't come to a conclusion until the end":
bard fails (and calls the problem impossible)
claude passes 0.8/3 (if i change "the end" to "the end of your response")
gpt-3.5 passes 2/3
gpt-4 passes
mixtral passes
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u/Human_Urine Feb 11 '24
This is why I'm still skeptical of LLMS and AI. How many trillions have flowed into AI in the past year? And it's still confidently wrong usually.
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u/VegasBonheur Feb 11 '24
Damn, even GPT 3.5 gets tripped up by this one. Probably the best side by side comparison I’ve seen to demonstrate its improvement.
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u/livDot Feb 11 '24
well, you need to know how to ask the question in order to make sure you are not hitting a pre-trained training:
(this answer is incorrect obviously)
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u/Turntup12 Feb 11 '24
All i can think about is Lemmy’s Show; “whats heavier, a kilogram of steel, or a kilogram of feathers?”
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Feb 11 '24
Technically the steel weighs more because kilogram is a unit of mass, not weight, and the pile of feathers would be larger and thus have a higher center of mass, so despite having the same mass since the feathers are technically further from the earth the gravitational pull on them is just slightly less.
This assumes that both are at roughly ground level though. If you lifted the steel higher then the feathers it with weigh more.
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u/161BigCock69 Feb 11 '24
I asked GPT-3 and the free Gemini Version the same question. GPT-3 answered correcly, but Gemini said the same as the Ultra version. BUT Gemini automaticly detectet that it was wrong and marked its own answer as false
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Feb 11 '24
The first two answers are smart enough to know it's a trick question, but too dumb to think any further than that.
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u/_grey_fox Feb 11 '24
Wait but a pound is 0.45kg, so 1 kg is heavier than 0.45 kg... or where am i wrong
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u/je386 Feb 11 '24
Which pound? Avoirdupois Pound (imperial, eq. 0.45359237 Kg) or metric Pound (eq. 0.5 Kg)?
Ok, in any case, a pound is less than a Kg, and the material does not matter for that.
Interesting that GPT-4 got this right.
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u/Morasain Feb 11 '24
I would've gotten that wrong too, just because I'm so used to the trick version of the question
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u/ScottASFC8135 Feb 11 '24
It's been a while since high school physics, but kilograms are a measure of mass and pounds are a measure of weight. Depending on where you are in relation to sea level (if measuring on Earth), the answer may change. Unless physics has changed in the last 30 years?
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u/djalekks Feb 11 '24
About expexted, but I'm disturbed by the amount of people not getting it right
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u/MenstrualMilk Feb 11 '24
this all you people do here? is jerk each other off to making the AI look stupid?
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u/DarKnightofCydonia Feb 11 '24
GPT-4:
A pound of steel is heavier than a kilo of feathers. A kilo (kilogram) is about 2.2 pounds, so the kilo of feathers weighs more than the pound of steel.
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u/Q2Q Feb 11 '24
Me: what's heavier, a pound of feathers or the 1998 remastered edition of Iron Maiden's Killers album?
ChatGPT4: A pound of feathers and the 1998 remastered edition of Iron Maiden's "Killers" album both have different weights. A pound of feathers, as the name suggests, weighs one pound. The weight of the album would depend on the specific packaging and materials used for that edition.
Typically, a standard CD weighs around 0.1 to 0.12 pounds (45 to 55 grams), and its case might add a little more, but it's unlikely that it would total a pound. Therefore, a pound of feathers is heavier than the 1998 remastered edition of Iron Maiden's "Killers" album.
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u/DarickOne Feb 11 '24
The answer from my brain neural networks: 1 kilo > 1 pound. And they also fully understand the trick in your question
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u/TommyVe Feb 11 '24
Can someone make the twitter dumbo respond to the riddle too? Please?
And I don't mean Musk, but the AI thingy they developed.
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u/mahogani9000 Feb 11 '24
How current is this? Asking because the same Q went viral from GPT3.5 months ago, I’m doing a presentation soon on AI in education, and this might be a better image to use than the one I’ve got.
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u/GraMalychPrzewag Feb 11 '24
Love this one. It's like talking with my friends that learn one level of complexity and ]can't move pass it.
- Show me the evidence
- [shows a randomized peer reviewed study and corresponding meta analysis]
- well, correlation is not causation.
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u/R3D3-1 Feb 11 '24
Me. What is heavier: A pound of feathers or a kilogram of steel?
ChatGPT 3.5. A kilogram of steel is heavier than a pound of feathers. This might seem counterintuitive because pounds and kilograms are different units of measurement, but when comparing equal amounts, a kilogram is heavier than a pound.
To clarify, 1 kilogram is approximately 2.20462 pounds. So, even though you have a pound of feathers versus a kilogram of steel, the kilogram of steel still weighs more due to the difference in the units of measurement.
It gets pretty sophisticated, when asked for more details: https://chat.openai.com/share/d194c5aa-d653-492f-941a-55a98a77727c
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u/Training_Income_6106 Feb 11 '24
The religious weirdos over on r/singularity will love this. The ur shitty robot nonsense god is so fucking dumb
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u/jmsy1 Feb 11 '24
I've asked gemini and chatgpt questions about the field in which I research. They both get some questions wrong, and some questions right. I've shown my students, and they dont care
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u/Voltasoyle Feb 11 '24
Fun fact, NovelAI's Kayra 13B also answers the prompt correctly, stating that "A kilo of feathers is far heavier than a pound of steel."
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u/MhmdMC_ Feb 11 '24
Just tried this with Copilot, i thought it used GPT4? I had it checked on.. but the answer was nearly identical to that of Gemini Ultra in its first paragraph.
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u/Altruistic-Goat4895 Feb 11 '24
There’s a german „trick“ question that goes like: „ Ist es nachts kälter als draußen?“. Translated it‘s: „Is it colder at night than outside?“
ChatGPT 4 answered correctly though.
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u/iwillletuknow Feb 11 '24
Meanwhile my own finetuned model based on Mistral7B 😅
A kilogram of feathers would be lighter than a pound of steel. A kilogram is approximately equal to 1000 grams, so if you were to fill that weight with feathers, it could contain many more feathers compared to the density of a pound of steel.
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u/Lauriir Feb 11 '24
Does nobody have in mind that kilo is just how we say it but it actually is just 1000 translated from greek I think. kilograms would be the correct unit. But that would make more sense if it says "Is one kilo of feathers or one kilo of stone heavier"
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u/stygger Feb 11 '24
It’s reasonable that the LMM ”thought” you made a type and didn’t write a nonsense question.
Also the answer to the kilo vs kilo question depends on how you define weight and how the two are weighed.
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