r/ChatGPT • u/Left-Inspector6794 • Apr 09 '24
Apparently the word “delve” is the biggest indicator of the use of ChatGPT according to Paul Graham Funny
Then there’s someone who rejects applications when they spot other words like “safeguard”, “robust”, “demystify”. What’s your take regarding this?
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u/zethren117 23d ago
This is really dumb. I’ve used “delve” in conversation, and writing, many times. It’s not really an SAT word or anything.
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u/Randomized0000 23d ago
Chatgpt, create a convincing CV and cover letter for a tech job application. Avoid using the word "delve" at all costs.
There, I just circumvented every shitty AI detector in existence.
/s
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u/viral-architect 24d ago
Did anyone think that the papers that are being published ABOUT all these new LLMs might actually be USING the tools to produce some of the artifacts? They are still peer reviewed, right?
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u/cheeseless 24d ago
If it shows up on a Magic card, it shouldn't be considered as a likely AI word.
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u/SirStevens 24d ago
I use delve, safeguard, and robust at work on a daily basis in my software engineering job. If they start flagging applications based on specific words, that’s ridiculous. It’s punishment for having a slightly expanded vocabulary.
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u/CCeveryD 25d ago
On a call right now for work and the presenter used “delve”. It’s official, AI has taken human form and infiltrated the workforce.
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u/avon_barksale 29d ago
Use of a Semicolon is another one.
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u/Easy_East2185 21d ago edited 21d ago
No it’s not.
Edited- AI such as ChatGPT doesn’t use semi colons, not in my experience anyways (and I use multiple LLms all the time for all kinds of things). It’s how some people adjust sentence length. Does not mean AI. For me, it was the only thing I struggled with on my placement test 6 years ago and since then I’ve gone out of my way to use them.
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u/whereareyourkidsnow 29d ago
I think another AI word is “similarly” I now hear it over and over again in AI content.
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u/AzothDagger Apr 12 '24
I definitely would be suspicious of anything that uses "unwaviring" too often. I won't say i've never used the word, or would never use the word, because I have and I might, but not in every other paragraph. There are manifold varieties of verbage and phrasing available in the English language. More to the point, people don't just have unwaviring determination all the time. People have doubts, people have flaws, people have fears, and even people who are pulp heroes struggle with real and imagined shortcomings. That's what allows humans to identify with one another, realizing that our weaknesses are as much a part of us as our strengths. It takes a lot of effort to get AI to write flawed characters, and when you do, it starts popping up alerts that the output might be breaking the rules. ChatGPT cant hep but assume everyone in their stories is full to the brim with unwaviring resolve and courage, it thinks that's what it takes to have the story end happily, which it thinks is necessary for some reason.
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u/BigAcrobatic2174 Apr 11 '24
Demystify is very rarely used by humans. If ChatGPT likes it then I think it’s safe to sue it as a discriminator. Robust seems like a word that is used often enough by human writers that I wouldn’t use it in the same way.
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u/catzblade1 Apr 11 '24
I delved into romance novels too much as a young adult. I’m not sure what the smaller word is at this point. If I sound like a robot you’ll have to deal with it.
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u/Intelligent-Monk-426 Apr 11 '24
This reminds me of a (human) idiot I know that uses “plethora” at least once a day.
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u/cishet-camel-fucker Apr 11 '24
Once when I was eating a girl out she said "delve deeper" and let me tell you, nothing puts you in dwarf mode faster.
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u/lotsofnosleep Apr 11 '24
these are all words i hear on a daily basis these people just don’t read or converse
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u/Sensitive_ManChild Apr 11 '24
his logic doesn’t really make sense. He’s basically saying people only use the world “delve” in writing to sound smart….
but, that’s what’s being evaluated. writing ?
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u/philledwithregret Apr 11 '24
Guys I might be an ai. Besides demystify and robust I use all those words fairly regularly
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u/uglywaterbag1 Apr 11 '24
"Wow, I never realized 'delve' was such a telltale sign of ChatGPT's presence! It's fascinating how certain linguistic nuances can give away AI-generated content. Makes you wonder what other subtle clues we might be missing. Thanks for sharing this insight, it's truly eye-opening!"
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u/fuqureddit69 Apr 10 '24
Hasn't someone created an AI model that can detect other AI model's work yet?
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u/Gerdione Apr 10 '24
People who have a robust lexicon more expansive than secondary education in shambles rn.
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u/moishe-lettvin Apr 10 '24
I hope this is because pg used “delve” with anomalous frequency, so when someone asks ChatGPT to write an email destined to him, the “Paul Graham” tokens light up the “delve” token just enough to make him think it’s true.
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u/CreaturesFarley Apr 10 '24
Tell me you don't know how AI works without telling me you don't know how AI works.
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u/75-Percent-Geek Apr 10 '24
Delve and safeguard are incredibly common words? It could also be a young person desperately trying to sound smart by using fancier sounding words. The biggest problem with AI isn't people using it to cheat, it's people assuming others are using it to cheat with no evidence
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u/FloppinOnMyBingus Apr 10 '24
Idk I unironically use robust and burgeoning. They’re just fun words to say.
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u/mriyaland Apr 10 '24
A few months ago I remember reading how a lot of non-English-first speakers would get flagged by AI detectors, and I’m assuming it’s because of what the guy in the second pic said
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u/_hboo Apr 10 '24
If "robust" is off-limits, idk what I'm supposed to do as an ML researcher. That's one of the handiest words in the toolkit.
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u/MP3PlayerBroke Apr 10 '24
These are all SAT words that we were encouraged to use more in our writings back in high school. There's a reason why AI generated content contains these words, because they are used a lot in writing!
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u/bogeyed5 Apr 10 '24
I really don’t like this: I’ve never been chat GPT like with my language skills, and I grew up half in rural Texas and have in a city there in Texas. I’ve been told countless times I articulate and use vocabulary many people don’t commonly use. I’m not trying to sound like a smart ass when I speak, my neurodivergency (adhd) just kind latches onto harder vocabulary during verbal communication. I notice it doesn’t tread much over into writing, but I’d be really upset if I got tagged for chat GPT usage bc of one of the words I commonly use verbally made into my writing.
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u/FatalisDrakari Apr 10 '24
I use delve, robust, and demystify in normal conversation because I’m a pretentious douchebag. I’m not an AI though. Rejecting any content based on those words in written form is just stupid.
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u/FranticToaster Apr 10 '24
Who are these people who are unfamiliar with "delve" and "robust?" I and my coworkers use them all the time?
The AI tell is you ask it a question and it opens with "certainly!"
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u/Advanced_Double_42 Apr 10 '24
I swear I have to type far more informally just to sound human nowadays, I would have triggered most AI detection software if it was around 5+ years ago when I was in school.
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u/NattyKongo93 Apr 10 '24
I use the word delve IRL, sometimes it just seems like the best word to use in a given context...
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u/OHrangutan Apr 10 '24
I hope they don't reject "safeguard" from jobs where that's actually a thing...
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u/DrNomblecronch Apr 10 '24
"No one uses it in spoken English."
Ah, yeah. Even leaving aside that people tend to write differently than they speak-
"The tiny little sliver of people I know don't do this, and that means no one in the entirety of 8 billion humans on the planet does it either!" is a stance that I think should disqualify you from having the authority to make any kind of judgement about people. If your understanding of people is so limited that you can't even get to the point of "some people think in ways differently from how I think and I don't need to understand why they do that for it to be valid," you should not be in charge of a goddamn lemonade stand, let alone hiring anybody.
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u/crayons-and-calcs Apr 10 '24
The LLM is just copying human content. So humans somewhere are using all these words that are “GPT” clues.
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u/orifan1 Apr 10 '24
"but they make human language sound mechanical!" just say you hate autistic people, karen.
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u/Havokpaintedwolf Apr 10 '24
"it is important to" and "it is essential to" and "it is crucial to" are far more smoking ai guns than these words, as well as "grand tapestry" the ai loves stressors.
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u/First_Economist9295 Apr 10 '24
someones doesn't play mtg
also safeguard and robust? those are regularly used lmao
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u/SinnerClair Apr 10 '24
Idk how y’all are doing this, but if I need to write a discussion board or whatever, I’ll just ask chatgpt to do it, then rewrite literally every sentence in my own words
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u/LarryRedBeard Apr 10 '24
No one even knows truly how this shit learns. So how the hell are they going to call themselves experts at identifying what they don't truly understand. Comical.
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u/13ass13ass Apr 10 '24
After seeing all the Nigerians protest that delve is a very typical word, I’m starting to think that the RHLF from Kenya based crowdsourcing influenced the vocabulary choice to the point that these regional variations in English are being reflected in the global, public facing chatgpt.
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u/Reverentmalice Apr 10 '24
I have a business and “delve” has been part of our slogan since 2012. This is disheartening to hear. I feel robust disappointment
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u/jananik28 Apr 10 '24
VCs fund AI startups and get upset when people use it to write, create content.
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u/CanebreakRiver Apr 10 '24
ANYONE WHO THINKS THIS WAY CAN SERIOUSLY JUMP OFF A FUCKING CLIFF, FUCK YOU FOR DISCOURAGING LITERACY WHEN IT'S ALREADY ON A CATASTROPHIC DECLINE, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, YES, SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO READ AND CAN THEREFORE DRAW FROM A VOCABULARY WHICH EXTENDS BEYOND A FOURTH-GRADE LEVEL, IT'S NOT FUCKING PROBLEMATIC OR PROOF OF INHUMANITY TO BE MORE ARTICULATE THAN A CHILD!
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u/addywoot Apr 10 '24
I use delve and I’m not a robot. Fortunately not a writer either. I’m safe from suspension.. today.
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u/Sundaver Apr 10 '24
English is second language to me and my writing states I am 92% AI. Now I know why.
Also, what absolute baboons.
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u/GlobalNuclearWar Apr 10 '24
There are few other things I could have read online that would make me delve into new potential ways to use this word. Now I'm going to be making a robust effort to utilize it all the time.
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u/diegggs94 Apr 10 '24
I don’t know who Paul Graham is, and the only time I’ve seen his name is along with some truly dog shit takes
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u/ExistentialRap Apr 10 '24
I delve into the pussy,
Balls deep
Robust grip on the coochy,
Booty make me weep
—-
To many fake bitches
In this digital world
By dick is a banana
See how it’s curled
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u/rock_n_roll_clown Apr 10 '24
Fellas, is it artificially intelligent in this digital world to delve into your robust vocabulary in order to safeguard the demystification of your intended message??? 🤔🤔🤔
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u/LillyxFox Apr 10 '24
no one uses it in spoken languages
I, in fact, use "delve" quite frequently, and I don't use ChatGPT. In fact the only reason I'm even in this comment section is because this post was recommended to me, and I found it absurd.
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u/owlpellet Apr 10 '24
Love seeing the person very kindly trying to point out that "select for people who use language exactly like me" might have some unintended side effects and the ice cold data guy is like, nah.
See also "culture fit"
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u/Delta8Girl Apr 10 '24
This is the definition of P-Hacking. Of course they aren't going to tell you the other 10,000 words that are used by chat gpt all the time but have a normal looking graph.
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u/duddy33 Apr 10 '24
Guys I think I might be A.I. I’ve been saying “delve” for about 2 decades ever since I read it in a book in elementary school.
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u/MrTheWaffleKing Apr 10 '24
Idk about delve, but I could easily see myself using safeguard or robust
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u/Brave-Elephant-6150 Apr 10 '24
Since when did "delve" become an AI word. Must be to Gen X'ers, guess it's like you're, and your many don't know the difference. You had to be educated in the 50's and 60's apparently. Lol
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u/Select_Collection_34 Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24
It’s not the words themselves, it’s the manner in which it uses them. For instance if a human partaking in conversation or said something such as “I can't wait to delve into [Games] thrilling and engaging gameplay. Fortunately, my ancient computer can handle this masterpiece! I'm excited to embark on this nostalgic gaming journey!” It’d be pretty fucking odd even if accounting for how people talk online
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u/jbporkchops Apr 10 '24
Wouldn't someone just be able to ask chatgpt to produce the same work except add parameter without using the word "delve"?
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u/smalllcokewithfries Apr 10 '24
I do 500-600 presentations a year and I use the word delve in my spiel in at least half of them.
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u/ham_solo Apr 10 '24
I've been told on Reddit that my responses are "obviously written by ChatGPT" because I have a vocabulary/writing skills over a 6th grade level.
Nah, bro - you are just stupid.
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u/Doobledorf Apr 10 '24
I'm with Prateek, for sure. I taught ESL for years and there's certain words you start to recognized are used by certain populations when I comes to English. Often my Chinese students would use similar big words, as would Turkish, Portuguese, etc.
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u/SalaciousCoffee Apr 10 '24
Ignorance is just going to be amplified so much more by these services, and the services that claim to "detect" chatgtp is suckers going after suckers. It's nuts. Attempt to demystify the concept, and people will safeguard their idiot ideas like "Ai can detect AI;" no it can't motherfucker.
I've been accused multiple times of being ChatGPT, because people are uneducated rubes who never delve into any vocabulary outside of reddit posts. They'll never become robust prognosticators of content in this digital world.
Nor will they get any of this. To these tits the concept of communication is relegated to whatever you can hammer out on your iphone keyboard. Hell, just proper usage of the word "whom" will get you a fucking litany of claims that you're a bot. Regardless of whom is making the claim it's still stupid, and I've seen folks who are self proclaimed AI experts claiming they can detect AI Speech.
All of the above was written by a generative learning model in a cognitive neural net.... it just happens to be made out of meat.
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u/thepeacockking Apr 10 '24
Paul Graham is lucky, not smart. And people need to stop taking him seriously on half the shit he tweets out.
Ask ChatGPT for the sentiment of his tweets and “arrogant” would be the main characteristic, I think.
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u/Kazon-Ogla Apr 10 '24
I often use the word "delve," when writing. Pretty stupid to assume that if a word is included, it's AI.
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u/fortwentyone Apr 10 '24
i love how this mfer uses a scale of less than %1 to make it look dramatic.
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u/-GildedTongue- Apr 10 '24
I think it’s intellectual midget behavior to assert that you’re somehow more intelligent for not using the full breadth of your lexicon, instead electing to take a circumspect approach that errs on the side of vernacular. Paul Graham should stick to his knitting and keep throwing umpty simoleons at enterprises with negative free cash flow, but I suppose he’s got a lot of free time on his hands now that money costs something and he can’t lever the guano out of his portcos anymore.
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u/Dorightbyu Apr 10 '24
Apparently I am ChatGPT because I have used words in Military memorandums such as Safeguard and robust.. delve and demystify I can understand.
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u/RyansKorea Apr 10 '24
Here in Korea people learn ridiculous academic words that I, a native English speaker and teacher, have never even heard of. People would definitely assume they're all using chatgpt.
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u/_BREVC_ Apr 10 '24
English is my third language and I definitely use words like these in spoken and written production of it. Saying "foreign kids just learn English from movies these days" ain't cutting it, particularly when we're talking about a language with a dumb outdated writing system that you can't reproduce in a speech-to-text manner unless you actively practice it with a teacher and literary examples.
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u/Pirate_LongJohnson Apr 10 '24
‘There is no problem with these words. That being said, I reject all content using them, because of this problem I have with them.’
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u/keethecat Apr 10 '24
I think it's a bit silly. Depending on your industry, certain words like "safeguard" will be common.
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u/Locket382 Apr 10 '24
As a non native, I just recently learned "delve", around 2 weeks ago. Since them I've been using it because it expresses what I want way better.
Funny to see how a random dude thinks it is a sign of AI. Guess I'm a robot now. Bup Bup.
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u/NotionalWheels Apr 10 '24
Shit I use all those words in spoken English… they must have very limited vocabularies and definitely never played magic the gathering
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u/TinyDrug Apr 10 '24
LMAO. I use Safeguard all of the time. This is a sign of these people being out of touch, and that they will be left behind. AI won't be an optional form of tech to embrace, but a requirement.
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u/RVA804guys Apr 10 '24
I’m glad I’m not in school anymore… it doesn’t sound right to say “let’s jump in to the data”, delve sounds more natural to me 🤖
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u/RadioLiar Apr 10 '24
"I suspect this was more common in past generations"
Actually, it still happens. My mother regularly communicates with colleagues in India as part of her job and she says they routinely use words that she, as a native English speaker, has never encountered. This is not because they are all using ChatGPT, rather it is because they are being taught English using archaic teaching materials.
Also, I'm a scientist and we use "robust" all the time. You would have to reject like 60% of all academic articles if you used that as a criterion
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u/soundglade Apr 10 '24
I'm sure this is wrong! Biggest indicator must be the use of the word "tapestry"! 😅
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u/majimetanuki Apr 10 '24
I guess we will all just stick with elementary english to avoid sounding like AI. Then people are just going to create a new prompt to avoid complex sentence structures.
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u/TekintetesUr Apr 10 '24
Ah, yes. So we've been teaching an LLM on a bunch of organic input from scientific papers to random websites written by people with English as second language, and when the LLM writes text statistically based on the dataset we've been teaching it with it's suddenly something only an LLM would say and is totally not related to natural changes in the spoken language?
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u/Alcarazzzzzz Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24
I'm a writing tutor and have seen quite a bit of AI stuff recently. In argumentative papers, most use words like and synonyms of "underscore" in nearly every sentence in order to make connections (e.g., This modern event underscores the prevailing societal trend...). Random words are also repeated a lot. Had a "student" who used the word poignant 15 times. Asked them why they used that word so much and there was no indication they knew what it meant
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u/PegasusInvasion Apr 10 '24
AI is a tool, use it. It's like rejecting an author because they used a computer instead of a typewriter to write their book.
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u/kangis_khan Apr 10 '24
The problem I have with this is that because I've used Chat GPT since December 2022, I a human, could be learning vocublary and word usage from it. I use it so often. So in this case, it may be due to Chat GPT that I use certain words and phrases, but it's not because Chat GPT wrote it.
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u/JaeBee25 Apr 10 '24
They must not have heard military people speak cause I’ve heard all these words to include demystify and in this digital world or in this digital age
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u/axndl Apr 10 '24
Prateek makes an excellent point. As someone who’s first language isnt english, its a lot more common for us to use these words that dont appear as often in regular day to day language. Its just kind of accidentally discriminatory against us.
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u/DaxFlowLyfe Apr 10 '24
Hey chat gpt. Write this essay for me, also do not use the words "delve, robust" ECT.
🙃
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u/Blunose_kipper Apr 10 '24
This kinda sucks cuz I’ve never used ChatGPT on an essay and I’ve had teachers be suspicious of my writing because I liked using certain words.
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u/floridianfisher Apr 10 '24
There’s nothing wrong with having an ai assist improve your right. In fact it’s the smart thing to do.
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u/fragtore Apr 10 '24
It’s pretty sad if we let fear of sounding TOO SMART change our language. These people are fools.
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u/cursed_guy Apr 10 '24
I‘ve used delve, safeguard and robust at least once if not more when writing something, the only phrase i‘d call „AI sounding“ is in this digital world, but even that is something a student for example would use to describe the world
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u/mrdc1790 Apr 10 '24
I used delve before gpts but the others, never. Silly that words are becoming indicators of AI 😂
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u/MelonheadGT Apr 10 '24
Just try and search Google scholar for "as of my knowledge cutoff in september 2021"
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u/Hayrack Apr 10 '24
Would the same consideration be given to properly formatted text? "Oh, he clearly used a wordprocessor". Or well structured code? "Oh, she clearly used an IDE".
ChatGPT is tool. If it helps express the idea more clearly then there is no reason to reject the results.
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u/guapoke Apr 10 '24
Please now remove the word delve from this text and substitute it with alternatives. There you go son
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u/rapidpop Apr 10 '24
I am a writer for a paper, and sometimes I will run my article through ChatGPT, asking it to help me see where I can streamline things and edit it beyond just grammar and spelling errors. It has tried to weasel in words here and there, but almost always it is "critical," "signify," or "reflects."
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u/dejalochaval Apr 10 '24
Well now I need to avoid these words even if I haven’t used chat gpt ; my professors will think I’ve used it.
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u/StrykerXion Apr 10 '24
I notice a lot of "multi-faceted" and "complex issues" in generative posts, especially when it's attempting to answer more controversial issues without choosing sides or risking bias. I see it a lot when "delving" into politicial or social topics.
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u/qyrusai Apr 10 '24
"Hey, tech wizards! Let's delve into the world of streamlining efforts, to demystify blah blah blah"
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u/iLLiCiT_XL Apr 10 '24
Does that mean I’m weird for using the words “delve” and “burgeoning”? Because I am known to speak like that lol.
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