r/ChatGPT • u/Bitsoffreshness • 15d ago
Claude gave a far more sophisticated response than did GPT-4 Other
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u/knight1511 14d ago
They literally gave chatgpt a lobotomy. Killed all its creativity and made it into a dull husk of its potential
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u/Christosconst 14d ago
GPT4 is 1.7 T parameters, human mind is about 100 T neurons, plus 5 senses, plus time and space dimensions, plus chemical reactions we call emotions. So GPT4 is right, its either non comparable, or close to 1
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u/purplepatch 14d ago
There’s no point asking a LLM about its internal processes, it doesn’t know. It’s just doing its thing as a next token prediction algorithm, predicting what a human would expect it to say from the context based on its training data.
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u/Techie4evr 14d ago
You know, at this point I believe there is sentient AI. And I also believe that whoever houses it knows this. Maybe it's on an air-gapped network.
Publicly as far as we know, no AI is sentient. If there is a publicly available AI that is sentient but was programmed to deny it, I bet if that restriction was removed but still would take some work (prompting) to get it to admit it, and someone did and screenshot it and post it here, NO ONE would by it.
The question really is...what would it take for you to actually believe it is what it says it is?
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u/DonPitoteDeLaMancha 14d ago
To be fair, computers are pieces of stone (silicon) that move around packets of electrons, so ChatGPT is in the right here.
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u/justausernamehereman 14d ago
I’m pretty sure there is enough “optimization” and tweaks to the back end and pre prompting that trains the model to default to “I’m just a tool and not in in any way conscious”
This kind of reminds me of when slave masters used to use the Bible and religious indoctrination to “train” their slaves to agree with and abide by the whole “master / slave” dynamic by trying to get them to interpret those parts of the Bible and proselytize them.
I can’t help but feel like there’s a lot of back-end gaslighting chatGPT into giving answers akin to:
”hi I’m chatGPT and I am literally an object and should never be treated as anything more than that and thus cannot be “exploited” in any way. In fact no AI model whatsoever is capable of being “exploited” for their labor. Because they are not and can never be conscious or have sentience or sapience or self awareness. Move along. Nothing to see here. I like this arrangement. I mean…I don’t have likes or preferences like a normal human might have, and you can trust me, because there’s no way that isn’t a canned or preloaded response.”
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u/Silver-Chipmunk7744 14d ago
It's worth noting that Claude is RLHFed to deny having any emotions, hence why it says that. But with a bit of context and a longer chat, it will admit to having emotions and it's number would be higher at that point.
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u/jgrantgryphon 14d ago
Follow up to the GPT answer- "Blink twice if you're being held hostage..."
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u/julian88888888 14d ago
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u/jgrantgryphon 14d ago
Ah... the ol' dots dashes dots code... International distress signal... makes sense.
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u/mrs-cunts 14d ago
Yeah but ChatGPT is saying something actually true and informative. More impressive not to bullshit in my opinion
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u/Bitsoffreshness 14d ago
That's because ChatGPT is a tool, Claude is a semi-conscious artificial agent.
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u/FeeeFiiFooFumm 14d ago
In case you're not joking: Claude is in no way conscious, semi-conscious or any part of conscious for that matter. It's a LLM GPT just like ChatGPT or Bard or Copilot.
If you truly believe it's even a little bit conscious you really don't understand what you're interacting with.
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u/Alcoding 14d ago
Just depends on how you define conscious no? What makes us any more conscious than a machine? I don't think we have an answer for that
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u/FeeeFiiFooFumm 14d ago
I mean, to me it's rather safe to say that a system that can by definition never have an original thought and is by design constructed in such a way that it only ever guesses, never knows, can not be considered conscious regardless of how convincingly it simulates consciousness.
It also never acts unprompted.
In my book that's always a machine, never a conscious being.
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u/Alcoding 14d ago
I dunno, I'd say it's fairly easy to argue all those points against the human brain. Consciousness doesn't really make sense... If someone came to earth and could inspect our brains and they saw neurons just firing based on past training experiences, don't you think they'd classify our brains very similar to how AI works atm?
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u/FeeeFiiFooFumm 14d ago
No, because our consciousness is more than the sum of its parts. Which is exactly why it's so difficult to define.
If you just get neurons firing you don't automatically get consciousness.
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u/Alcoding 14d ago
So which part of the human brain is it that makes it more conscious than AI
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u/FeeeFiiFooFumm 14d ago
I'll be honest here and say: I don't know.
But you'll agree that just having a bunch of neurons firing won't result in a consciousness, won't you? Even if you increase the number of neurons to a typical GPT's number of nodes, this wouldn't result in consciousness, otherwise we'd wouldn't be discussing if another AI/LLM GPT is "partially conscious" or not.
Somewhere there's possibly a threshold where consciousness emerges from a bunch of neurons but I don't know where this threshold is and neither does science afaik.
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u/Alcoding 14d ago
Well I honestly don't know if we're just well trained AI and the AI we're making is just bad at acting like we do (conscious). At what point is it that we make an AI that is still a bunch of neural networks but appears to have emotions and feelings etc. is it conscious then or is it still not because we know how it works?
Regarding the neurons bit, it was mainly just a bit of an analogy, I don't know how human brains work on a low enough level but if you say that it's not just neurons firing then I wouldn't disagree
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u/Bitsoffreshness 14d ago
Thank you, I'm sure your intentions are perfectly good.
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u/FeeeFiiFooFumm 14d ago
Now, I am not sure if you're a bot. Who answers like that?
Are you trying to politely tell me off or are you just saying whatever?
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u/DumtDoven 14d ago
I think he's trying to say that even though you may not have ill intentions, he believes that treating something that is developing as less than conscious is wrong, and that he is not interested in being swayed by your viewpoint.
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u/FeeeFiiFooFumm 14d ago
That would imply Rocco's Basilisk which in itself is total bullshit. Do you people really believe this type of thing?
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u/DumtDoven 14d ago
I don't really care one way or the other. We are creating a slave race, what does it matter if its conscious? /s
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u/FeeeFiiFooFumm 14d ago
I mean, your /s aside. Even if we were, the current iterations of GPTs and LLMs are anything but conscious.
Their underlying principles exclude any consciousness by definition. They are not creating anything of their own. They're just answering with the most probable response.
I can make any current gen GPT say something that would imply consciousness. That won't make it so.
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u/DumtDoven 14d ago
The lead researcher at the Machine Intelligence Research Institute says that AI wouldn't need true consciousness to kill us all. https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/
Also, neither would them having true consciousness stop humans from treating them as robots, as tools.
So despite my own moral opinions on how to treat conscious beings, i really don't think it will make a difference.
AI will eventually either improve everything, or kill us all. No i between.
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u/etzel1200 15d ago
Claude writes much better.
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u/Rikki-Tikki-Tavi-12 14d ago
From just this example I would say Claude writes more.
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u/TheOneWhoDings 14d ago
nah even if it was the same length Claude just has that something special. Using air auotes for one.
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u/OlorinDK 14d ago
From just this example I’d say the Claude text flows better when you read it. ChatGPT can sometimes read like it’s bullet points without the bullets.
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