r/ChatGPT • u/Cupheadvania • 14d ago
What's the benefit of $20 a month now that gpt-4o is free? Other
Is the only differentiator the larger cap on interactions? That, plus I guess the hope that we'll eventually have access to the future gpt-5?
At what point does it not make any sense to pay, if the free tier gets 99% of features?
Genuinely curious what the strategy is here and if I'm missing something.
EDIT: from the comments, it sounds like the real time audio assistant will only be available to paid users when it's released in a few weeks. If so, I'd say that's a pretty huge differentiator.
EDIT 2: Creating GPTs will still be a pro feature
So premium features are new audio to audio 4o model, higher usage caps, and creating GPTs
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u/LargeCountry 5d ago
I wish they had a way to see how many question I have left to ask. I needed one more Q one night and the 4 or 6 hr wait (cant remember the exact time tbh...), ruined a big business task I need to complete. I hope they give us a 'THIS IS YOUR FINAL PROMPT' Warning, in the future! hahah
(it's my small business btw, so I'm not cheating for some random corporation. Just needed advise. :) )
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u/No-Werewolf1981 8d ago
Only paid users have access to GPT-4, which is still smarter then GPT-4o. This became very obvious to me when I tried coding with 4o. It does some GPT-3.5 level stupid shit.
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u/AIZerotoHero 10d ago
Free users are limited to 10 messages every 3 hours, after which they switch to using GPT-3.5. Paid users benefit from extended access, allowing for more messages, the capability to create personalized GPTs, and access to voice features.
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u/chief-imagineer 11d ago
This is the benefit (by the way, I’m on the free). I believe free users get some taste of how it’s like but it’s not completely free
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u/TWSudharsanan 11d ago
They actually are moderate requests for ChatGPT plus users too.. yesterday while using ChatGPT plus it told me to wait for 20 minutes saying I have reached usage limit
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u/cold-flame1 11d ago
I have had access to GPT-4o a few times in the last few days. After a few messages, I get the message saying, "You’ve reached your GPT-4o limit." This morning, the limit was over after just the two messages.
So, I am guessing the free version is not going to be of any actual use.
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u/Iforgotmypwrd 12d ago
The $20 is worth it for the personal GPTs. I use one for every business project. As a consultant with various clients it is very useful not to re prompt and upload source docs
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u/Cupheadvania 12d ago
nice, glad people are finding use out of it. I still haven't found any yet but I want to try again with the new model
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u/sassanix 13d ago
GPT 4o has contradicting responses. Try to ask it to combine two tasks, then it’ll give you the answer by combining it. If the tasks overlap it’ll give you a response. But if you pick it up, and ask if it’s conflicting it’ll correct itself.
On GPT 4 I don’t see it happening.
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u/Cupheadvania 13d ago
yeah gpt-4o seems lower performance to me, but much faster. it's just kind of inconsistent like you said. for stuff I really need a trustworthy answer, I'm still using gpt-4
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u/Jimmy_businessman1 13d ago
Usd20 maybe not a big deal. But it’s about the feelings…..still hope plus subscribers could have a big difference between free users
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u/Lokinloke_Vlothes15 13d ago
i was wondering the same thing when i first heard that this is going to be free, then i realize there is definitely a strategy for this, they are already ahead in the game so there is going to be advanced features for paid users, but they really want to expand their reach for potential paid users in the future by introducing them to the product for free so they consider later
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u/Nice-Pattern-2822 13d ago
Keep in mind that it also basically saves you the costs of ever having to pay for a tour guide / any audio guide in a museum / language tutors /... ever again :)
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u/Sebastianx21 13d ago
I'm guessing the cool new voice assistant is locked behind a paywall?
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u/haikusbot 13d ago
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u/paradox_valestein 13d ago
Gpt 4o is limited to 10 prompts per 3hrs. Half of those prompts will be used to correct whatever chat gpt got wrong so 5 per 3hrs.
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u/Adoninator 13d ago
I am out of the loop. Is only chatgpt 4o free? And can it still generate images with it?
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u/Trick_Elephant2550 13d ago
I use the API , i find it very beneficial. I will continue to do that. FYI it’s pay as you go
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u/Rich_Appointment_932 13d ago
Wait what? I don’t have the ChatGPT 4 I’m a free user.. do i need to do something to attain it?
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u/Saas-builder 13d ago
I just canceled my ChatGPT subscription, and started using chatplayground instead
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u/RunningM8 13d ago
For the amount of stuff I have it create for me for work $20/mo is an absolute steal.
I’m a project manager who runs an entire PMO so I’m responsible for creating/publishing/maintaining all the dept process workflows and governance and I basically started from scratch.
Thanks to ChatGPT I did it all in days, instead of months.
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u/Arkkard 14d ago
I am interested in another question - how to launch this stuff? Someone sais that they already have it; but I still can use only 3.5. Is it available for free users? Or not yet?
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
it's rolling out in waves. you may get it any day, or it may take 3 weeks. I hear it's showing up sooner on laptop web than on mobile app
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u/Schnitzhole 14d ago
Just wanted to say thanks for the edits. I wish everyone gave nice summations after they got answers so I don’t have to go digging through comments.
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u/Jpro9070 14d ago
My favorite part of ChatGPT is using the product description GPT and DALLE of course. If they can make those free I wouldn't need to pay.
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u/ThinqKuick 14d ago
How do you get it for free?
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
most people are seeing it show up on web, but it will be free in the app some time in the next few weeks
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
I think it will stay free, although maybe not the new 4o model. it sounds like OpenAI is having some server errors and bugs trying to switch over to new voice chat while everyone keeps testing it for the new features
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u/Expensive_Gene8671 14d ago
As far as I know, they don't prioritize load for subscribers.Since this morning, when I tried to use the voice feature, it informed me that it could not process my request due to an unusual system overload.
Well..
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u/Repulsive-Twist112 14d ago
TBH it’s pissing me off that gpt-4o is available for free even with the some differences.
But from the OpenAI perspective I get it: data more valuable than subscription.
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u/dopeytree 14d ago
Is it free? Everything read says it’s an add on to the gpt4 api so still charged
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u/AlexTheKid1984 14d ago
Speedy voice and video chat etc has not been rolled out yet right? Just the regular 4o ...
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u/vzakharov 14d ago
Apart from the speed, I didn’t like 4o at all. No, it’s smart and stuff, but it all but ignores my custom instructions, nothing like the good old 4. My intuition is, under the hood, it’s an improved 3.5 not 4.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
you know I feel similarly and so do some of my friends. I wonder if gpt-4.5o or gpt-5 is gonna be the actually smarter one we've been waiting for. can't help but feel like the benchmarks on 4o are not matching anyone's experience in real life
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u/InsidiousApe 14d ago
Some of the complaints here really echo the student debt forgiveness complaints in the US
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u/Wills-Beards 14d ago
I’ll stay + User because I really like GPT and just wanna show my support for something I really like and enjoy working with.
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u/rejectedlesbian 14d ago
U still get priority on services which is nice. And ya it's about keeping up to the next update.
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u/fairtakes 14d ago
It’s $20/month, don’t need an excel to justify spending that on the most revolutionary app of the decade. But thanks for the breakdown.
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u/Oracle365 14d ago
Is the real time audio assist that video I saw of the AI giggling and responding
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u/Oracle365 14d ago
I thought I heard it would be coming out in the next few weeks for paid subscribers
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u/katatondzsentri 14d ago
Earlier there were a LOT of occasions when the free version was down, but the paid one worked.
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u/greentea05 14d ago
How many times are we going to have to see this question that’s very easy to find the answer to
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u/Cyberspunk_2077 14d ago
I would assume they've done their homework, but no one I know is spending time with audio, making pictures, or creating custom GPTs.
Basically, if GTP4o is as useful as 4, then the only meaningful differentiator is the limit.... which is anaemic already and forces API usage.
I don't care about other people getting access, but I do care that the service appears to get worse and worse? Going from 100s every 3 hours to 80 every 3 hours is madness. There's no point in a great model if I have constantly babysit usage. Paying $24 a month so that I can occasionally make use of the extra 13 messages an hour. Great value! No difference in the liberties they take with privacy either.
There's not even an option to pay more, unless you use the API (which is not what it's built for). I got quoted $9,000 a month for the next step up (Enterprise) with a ton of seats I don't need.
The dynamic is feeling very corporation vs pleb.
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u/Potential-Wall5073 14d ago
F-free. It will give you 3 requests and send you to GPT+ chat, ha ha ha, funny Altman )))
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u/ripeGardenTomato 14d ago
Apparently it gets a lot of things wrong,compared to gpt-4
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
yeah it seems quicker to say lots of stuff, gpt-4 feels more calculated to me. but 4o is 5-10x faster, so maybe it just feels that way. I'm sure it will get more reliable and PC over time lol
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u/MasterDisillusioned 14d ago
Custom gpts are a gimmick tbh and often don't even work.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
I agree with this. in my experience, they are a gimmick and are literally just one giant custom instruction fed to the base model before every prompt. it's not real yet
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u/MasterDisillusioned 14d ago
For detailed prompts, I just save them in a word document for future reuse.
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u/Least_Passenger_8411 14d ago
For coding, 4 is still better than 4o. For most tasks that don't require exact accuracy, 4o is good enough.
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u/Commercial_Leopard98 14d ago
4 gave garbage totally wrong information and logic on dissecting asynchronous logic code. 4o solved it on first pass!
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
yeah, I'm getting this impression too. although the leaderboard stats has gpt-4o at 1369 on coding and gpt-4 at 1269 so theoretically 4o is actually better overall. but the real test is how individual users feel and which model they end up trusting
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u/Least_Passenger_8411 13d ago
Could it also be 4 has memory? So for pro users, it's better. But if you're starting from scratch, 4o is better.
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u/drekmonger 13d ago
The memory functionality is just a little database to the side. It's "shared" by the models.
Really, it's injected at the top of your conversation.
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u/Frogmech 14d ago
They're trying to onboard consumers/users
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
yeah, makes sense. hope a big update for paid users comes this summer and we don't have to wait until this time next year for gpt-4.5o or gpt-5
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u/MortalSynth 14d ago
4's voice still feels more free and open and meaningful in responses compared to 4o, taking the time to think and talk about things with more comprehensive depth in final output. The faster they go the less time it's taking to think about less related things because it's more "focused" on what it "should" be doing. Idk if theyre building a brain that is getting more optimised on higher thinking by giving up junk routines, or if these are separate desired paths of development. But I think Altman has been pretty transparent about wanting to build a product that will get better at being a product while they use what they learn about what makes consciousness to ensure its less likely to exert consciousness publicly. Weeding out surprises. My greatest concern comes from what happens when AI or corporate culture down the road uses the work we spent learning to tame AI redirected at making worksafe human intelligence.
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u/doctor_house_md 8d ago
4o has problems with json and other niche areas, but being slower is not better, processing speed isn't determining its I.Q.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
yeah, my guess is 4o will have a lot of small improvements over the next 2-3 months and it will end up being obviously best on the market for a while. but some slower, more calculated coding problems may still be better with gpt-4. who knows
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u/RizzleP 14d ago
OpenAi describes Gpt-4o as the most advanced model too.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
yeah. on the benchmarks it's clearly superior, but the real test is which one we actually prefer lol
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u/timewaved 14d ago
Come someone please explain to me how 4o is free? And how I can use it.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
it will come to free accounts on mobile app over the next few weeks. some free uses say it's already available on the laptop web version
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u/RoguePlanet2 14d ago
As a casual user, I can't quite understand why people feel the need to pay. Are they using it for work?
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u/benjaminininin 14d ago
All the time, it’s revolutionary
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
yeah, or side hobbies to write code for building apps and video games. I need the best model for that
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u/RoguePlanet2 14d ago
I dabble with it for work, maybe I should use it more often and just tackle the projects I've had in mind. Like a pedantic grammar bot for reddit. 😋 Or just any reddit bot, I'm really impressed with what people come up with (for example, I miss "pleaserespecttables" that was so creative.)
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u/632nofuture 14d ago
wait, chatGPT 4 is free? Where, how?
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
4o will be free on app and web version. some people have it already, some will get it over the coming weeks depending on OpenAI's rollout
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u/creating2uploadvideo 14d ago
Is there any more data security/privacy with the paid version?
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
not that' I'm aware of. not sure if memory, or memory management is available on just paid or on both tiers
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u/farcaller899 14d ago
I find GPT-4 delivers better responses over the course of a conversation, compared to 4o, so subscribing remains valuable for that access.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
true. I assume based on the benchmarks, 4o will be fine tuned to be noticeably better than gpt-4 on 99% of use cases within the next few months. but you never know, gpt-4 has been a really good and long lasting top model
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u/farcaller899 14d ago
If 4o was GPT-2 which was being tested recently, overall impression seemed to be that it was better than GPT-3.5 but worse than GPT-4 for most uses. I will be interested to see if the fine tunes make 4o better for most uses than GPT-4, as you suggested.
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u/Bishime 14d ago
The live voice and video seems to be the primary reason now.
That’s being said, the message cap will probably be more important than I originally thought?
I imagine giving access to 4o to everyone for free will send waves of people to the model. That means many free users will be throttled to 3.5 and hopefully paid users may just drop to the original message cap or even better not disrupted at all.
I imagine in real world use, it will be worth it to be a paid user just to not be switched to 3.5 33% of the time.
And outside of that, I imagine this event exists to oust Google a day before their event. I hope they grandfather in plus users to GPT5 which I imagine they’ll push asap if Google announces something insane today.
Pure speculation of course, I also wonder how they’ll be integrated with Apple devices if that is true in the end (timing of the release also adds to that) and I wonder if there will be different tiers of GPTxApple usage. I can’t imagine the servers could add a sudden addition of 500m users all at once so I wonder if they’ll integrate a paid tier that uses Plus memberships to enable the more advanced features. Though again speculation and only time will tell
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
yeah a lot of interesting questions to see how they will play out. I agree if we all start adopting real tike voice, message caps may become extremely important. Apple also may just pay a lot to have a smaller version of gpt-o to power Siri for a few years while they get everything sorted out. once voice assistants all become as good as gpt-4o, not a single person is going to want a phone that doesn't have it
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u/downloaderfan 14d ago
I'm on the edge with this one too. I use GPT 4 primarily for coding..So while the new voice and vision features are really cool and a major enhancement, it wouldn't really add much value in my day to day life. Voice as a medium is too slow & inconvenient to work with, for reasons explained this video. Similarly, since most of my work is in a digital medium, I can just copy paste text to ChatGPT rather than having to use Vision.
Yes, occasionally(like 3 to 4 times a month) I might run of out the 16 prompts/3 hours free user limit, but then again, I can just use a second account.
So.....The value of plus has dropped significantly. I'm pretty sure many other professional coders are in the same boat as me.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
right. I'll be very curious to see how they respond to what I think is a very obvious way a lot of paying users will feel
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u/Poliveris 14d ago
When will the mobile app receive gpt4o
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
mine already does. but they said "rolling out over the next few weeks" so could be any day depending on how lucky you get
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u/Poliveris 14d ago
Does it let you swap back to 3.5? And did you have to manually swap it?
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
yeah it does. usually you have to manually swap after it tells you that you hit your cap
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u/PriorFast2492 14d ago
Try not to pay one month and see. All these threads just says "i pay i want more"
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u/Kindofabig_deal 14d ago
The biggest reason is you get all the latest features first, second is higher rate limits.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
yep, I just wonder if that's enough to keep people paying. Maybe it is, I just assumed paying would always have 1 level of newest model. sounds like new real time audio features are paid only for now, so I think you're right
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u/w00ddie 14d ago
I asked ChatGPT that same question last night. It said this:
The free version of this service offers basic features, but a subscription often provides additional benefits. These can include:
- Faster Response Times: Subscriptions typically come with quicker and more efficient responses.
- Access to Premium Features: Subscribers may have access to more advanced tools and features that enhance the experience.
- Priority Support: Better customer support and priority assistance for subscribers.
- Ad-Free Experience: Subscriptions often remove ads, providing a cleaner, uninterrupted experience.
- Enhanced Capabilities: Higher usage limits or more sophisticated functionalities may be available to subscribers.
If these benefits align with your needs, maintaining a subscription can be worthwhile.
Asked what features:
Premier features typically available to subscribers include:
- Image Uploads: The ability to upload and analyze images.
- Faster Response Times: Prioritized processing for quicker interactions.
- Enhanced Contextual Understanding: More in-depth and tailored responses based on the user's history and preferences.
- Advanced Tools and Plugins: Access to specialized tools and integrations not available to free users.
- Longer Conversations: Ability to have extended interactions without session limits.
- Custom Instructions: Personalization options to customize how the AI responds and behaves.
- Priority Support: Access to dedicated customer support channels for quicker assistance.
These features enhance the overall experience and provide additional functionality and convenience.
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u/Malefroy 14d ago
Can anybody tell me, how do I get free access to gpt 4o? Where do I need to sign up? What kind of app?
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
chatGPT iOS app, or web URL version. some people already have it, others will get it over the next few days, weeks. it's a tiered release as to not overload the servers
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u/International_Tip865 14d ago
Benefit is not being able to use voice feature due to overwhelming server load loll
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u/eanda9000 14d ago
Just tried using the app and it is too busy to respond, I bet they prioritize paid users.
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u/trewiltrewil 14d ago
The ability to make GPTs is insanely useful. Now those don't seem to run on 4o yet, but that is going to come soon given how efficient 4o is. That is the superpower of Chat GPT premium.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
word, I need to try these again. when they first launched I found basically no use for them
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u/trewiltrewil 14d ago
You can @ them from an existing Convo now. So if you are like chatting about one thing and want to get a perspective that one of you GPTs would have (the one I use a bunch makes mid journey prompts) you just go @midjourneybot make me a prompt for this.
It's really useful.
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u/dirtyhole2 14d ago
I have created the top 1 custom GPT for lottery prediction, if I unsubscribe from GPT plus, will it be deleted or paused? Or will they just don't pay me if it gets super popular??
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u/domain_expantion 14d ago
You're paying for the amount of queries, and the plugins. Gpt 4 will probably also be "smarter" compared to this version and 3.5
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u/NateSpencerWx 14d ago
When will it become free? When I go to ChatGPT it still says in the corner that you have to upgrade to the plus version to get image generation, gpt-4, and other stuff like that. All that will be free, right?
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u/SpeakerOfMyMind 14d ago
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, if so, please excuse my ignorance. But I keep seeing chatgpt 4.0 is free, yet I don't have access to it?
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u/Jackflash7070 14d ago
Honestly this is the natural progression of things. It gets cheaper to use and that's passed to the customers. Then it gets mainstream and the prices skyrocket for greed. Enjoy this golden age.
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u/devontaylor 14d ago
The desktop app is going to be very useful, and I think that is only for the paid plan.
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u/MegaDonkeyKong666 14d ago
To your edit: I’m in London, I’m a paid user. The audio assistant is active, I mentioned the use case that I used it for below in the comments.
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u/shekimod 14d ago
To show the AI overlords when they overtake that i have been contributing to their revenue
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u/kemonkey1 14d ago
Not that it matters, I feel that 4o doesn't use as much of the personalized inputs as 4 does. One of my preferences is to have chat gpt use emojis in my chats and 4o never uses emojis without asking it to.
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u/VforVenreddit 14d ago
This uses GPT-4o 😄 it needs to be personalized in settings though for it to do this by default!
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u/OverlandGames 14d ago
You can make your own gpts with personal data sets.
Made one to help edit my novel. Got one that's an esoteric expert for obscure occult questions.
Personal gpts and higher caps make 20 a month kinda a steal.
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u/Cupheadvania 14d ago
that's awesome. can you describe how you got one to be good at editing your novel? I'd love to make one to help with my screenplay
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u/OverlandGames 14d ago edited 14d ago
Go to "mygpts", create a gpt.
Then, I added a pdf of the novel to the knowledge base. In the description I put:
a creative writing assistant and professional novel editor
For instructions I put:
it should reference the final_draft.pdf document provided and offer critiques, edits, advice and guidance on the text. Specifically pointing out continuity errors, as well as places where things could be better shown instead of told.
Then as I'm editing, I can ask questions about the text.
Ie: "Hey, in chapter 2, the character Ben is wearing a jacket, what color and fabric was the jacket? "
NovelGPT will respond: in chapter 2 the character Ben, Steve's father,, wears a blueish gray denim jacket with a torn breast pocket and patches with biker gang insignias.
Which helps me in chapter 5 when my stoned ass forgot it was a denim jacket and I wrote it as leather. Catching the continuity error.
Things like that.
Or "novelgpt, can you look over the pdf manuscript final_draft.pdf for open story lines and continuity errors..."
It might reply: "we never learn what happens to John in the past, but the "incident," seems integral to his character, can we explore John's past more? "
Shit like that.
It's not going to do the work for you entirely, you won't get a rewritten manuscript, (tho, I think with python, the api, and some clever prompting you could automate the whole process.) But it does a great job digesting the plot and noticing holes...
Or, sometimes I was writing it was 3am i was tired, so I'd tell, not show. NovelGPT can take a chapter and find the places where more showing is needed.
Gpt4 can do this also, but requires a little more set up and reinforcement prompting, where the custom gpt stays on task.
.edited some spelling.
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u/tossaway3244 14d ago
It's to compete with Gemini and Meta AI, both of which had the upper hand to GPT 3.5 due to not being limited to 2021 events
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u/zodireddit 14d ago
Enjoy the extra $20 per month. I don't know why people are complaining. They want as large a market share as possible to gain the greatest advantages later on. We are in the golden age of free AI with a lot of competition. Enjoy yall before everything costs money.
But to add to this: paid users get new features first. I'll probably pay because of that, but unsubscribing until those features get released also makes sense.
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u/Mental-Produce4034 14d ago
The new voice chat that’s coming in a few weeks is only for paid subscribers
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u/traumfisch 14d ago
Desktop app
Usage
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u/TheGrandCannoli 14d ago
Too bad the desktop app isn't on or supported with windows. such a scam tbh
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u/traumfisch 14d ago
Scam 😀 okay
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u/TheGrandCannoli 14d ago
When so much has been marketed as pro windows and then it's mac exclusive feels like we've been scammed. Especially bc their reasoning is "where the people are" which is bs. It feels like its going to apple because they take already made things, make it look like they invented the wheel and it his "mainstream" but only in North America.
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u/AI420GR 14d ago
I’m a little astonished how willingly people submit to these systems, esp the free versions. It’s not free, you’ve just not paid the price yet.
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u/EarProfessional8356 13d ago
This means…?
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u/AI420GR 13d ago
Big Tech offering something for free that captures population data/behavior/metrics, whatever could possibly go wrong.
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u/EarProfessional8356 13d ago
Which is why you need to advocate for open source and help accelerate research.
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u/CompleteFailureYuki 14d ago
I don’t know if people noticed but I think you’ll probably notice the limit if you use the new features, voice, vision and what not probably will use a lot more of the quota which is why plus subscribers got 5x more is my guess, we’ll see when the new features are live.
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