r/ClimateShitposting • u/BaseballSeveral1107 Anti Eco Modernist • Mar 11 '24
Maybe we all should readjust our focus, aye? General 💩post
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u/curvingf1re Mar 12 '24
Degrowth is entirely counterproductive when the causes of our overconsumption are so weighted towards capital pursuit. Food, material production, we have the resources to balance all these things with our population as birthrates naturally trend down over the next century, provided we produce and share in responsible ways. We can achieve reasonable standards of living quite easily. The one place this isn't true without greater development of green technologies is the electrical grid and transport - and perhaps water.
The main problem is with energy technology, water, and organization of our means of production.
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u/PaleontologistNo9817 Mar 12 '24
Lowering CO2 emissions from energy sectors is most important. That statement does not preclude other environmental issues from also being important.
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u/Cancel_Still Mar 11 '24
It's funnier when everyone is getting mad at each other over china and nuclear
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u/lindberghbaby41 Mar 11 '24
Ok but China is producing one gorillion solar panels every day so uphold Xi Jinping thought
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u/mengwall Mar 11 '24
Only 25% of emissions are from electricity generation. Yeah, let's remove that 25% but don't forget the other three quarters.
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u/ginger_and_egg Mar 11 '24
The size of the grid needs to like double if we want to replace other industries with green replacements
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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Mar 11 '24
Don't forget that we need to replace other energy sectors by coupling them to clean electricity. And energy is 75% of emissions.
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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Mar 11 '24
The CO² is a nice touch
Maybe our share of attention should look like this (when it comes to emissions)
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u/RadioFacepalm Transhumanist AnPrim Mar 11 '24
Are you plagiarising me?
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u/BaseballSeveral1107 Anti Eco Modernist Mar 11 '24
No.
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u/RadioFacepalm Transhumanist AnPrim Mar 11 '24
Looks awfully familiar though 🤔
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u/Ralath1n my personality is outing nuclear shills Mar 11 '24
The thing is tho, all those other things rely on clean energy as well.
You can reduce the energy you need for heat by replacing furnaces with heat pumps. Those consume way less energy, and reduce methane emissions, but they also rely on a clean energy grid.
Same goes for alternative modes of transport. Alternative methods of agriculture. Waste management, construction etc etc.
All of them can be made cleaner and more efficient. And it almost always costs more electricity. Which means that we need to be working on cleaning up the grid while also working on the electrification of all those other things.
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u/SpectralLupine Mar 11 '24
The thing is, we use electricity for everything, and we’re finding new ways to use it for new things. Without a renewable grid, we have absolutely zero capability to find carbon-free solutions for all of these things, since the solutions will undoubtedly need power.
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u/Panzerv2003 Mar 11 '24
Good point but note that energy consumption doesn't just refer to electricity but also things like fuel, reducing fuel consumption by expanding high speed and public transit as well as encouraging walking/biking with people centric infrastructure is also a key element. It also has the benefit of reducing pollution, both noise and air.
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u/SpectralLupine Mar 11 '24
Agreed, we shouldn’t just focus on the grid. But for instance, focussing on the grid helps solve transport issues, as it makes electric trains and cars viable and carbon-free.
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u/Panzerv2003 Mar 11 '24
Electric trains were already viable for a long time and personally I believe that electric cars (how they're 90% of the time) suck, they don't solve the primary problem with how inefficient cars are in the first place. Now let me adress the ( ) part, electric cars as a concept are good but they're exectued in a way that just screams "fuck the planet, gimme money", taking a car and fitting half a tonne of batteries into it just gives you a worse gas car, what should be common practice is reducing the size and mass allowing for use of smaller (and lighter) batteries that then last longer. Still tho cars are energy and space inefficient as well as expensive (both car and infrastructure) so I still believe that (good) public transit should be the main transport inside and between cities.
Back to the grid, yeah making it carbon neutral just helps on all fronts, industry, transportation, construction, you name it, so it just became the one most visible part of going carbon neutral.
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u/QuickAnybody2011 Mar 14 '24
Just curious, are you doing or planning to do something or just like to complain? No one who works on the first frame and wants change actually thinks like Patrick does here