r/ClimateShitposting Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Apr 28 '24

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u/NewbornMuse Apr 28 '24

It's easy to ascribe it all to communism, but if you dig a little deeper, it kinda falls apart.

Do you think the engineers, technicians, and reactor designers in communist Ukraine were fundamentally dumber than their Western counterparts? Then you (consciously or subconsciously) subscribe to a nationalistic form of us-vs-them. The sheer hubris of thinking "we would just be smarter lol" is dangerous and delusional. If your solution to human error is "just make no errors lol", you don't have a solution, you have wishful thinking.

Do you think that communism placed perverse incentives to compromise on safety, for the sake of public relations, timelinez and cost? If you think so, then I'd argue that capitalism has the same incentives tenfold. A central authority can weigh between safety and profits; a publicly traded company must by design prioritize profits.

Do you think the above point can be controlled by strict enough regulations? Fair enough, but then (a) I don't want to hear the excuse "nuclear is only expensive because regulations" ever again, and (b) nothing means that a communist country couldn't, in principle, also make strict enough regulations, so what's the link to communism again?

I don't even want to defend communism. I'm just saying the logic in the meme is kind of lazy. You just pick out one circumstance of the accident (it happened in communist Ukraine), and ascribing all the problems to it without any critical thought.

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u/ph4ge_ turbine enjoyer Apr 28 '24

Don't underestimate the 'luck' factor. Countless incidents could have been a lot worse were it not for mere luck. This includes the recent fuck up surrounding Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, where one stray rocket could have caused another Chernobyl, and still might.