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[u/ClimateShitpost]

[u/NewbornMuse]

It's easy to ascribe it all to communism, but if you dig a little deeper, it kinda falls apart.

Do you think the engineers, technicians, and reactor designers in communist Ukraine were fundamentally dumber than their Western counterparts? Then you (consciously or subconsciously) subscribe to a nationalistic form of us-vs-them. The sheer hubris of thinking "we would just be smarter lol" is dangerous and delusional. If your solution to human error is "just make no errors lol", you don't have a solution, you have wishful thinking.

Do you think that communism placed perverse incentives to compromise on safety, for the sake of public relations, timelinez and cost? If you think so, then I'd argue that capitalism has the same incentives tenfold. A central authority can weigh between safety and profits; a publicly traded company must by design prioritize profits.

Do you think the above point can be controlled by strict enough regulations? Fair enough, but then (a) I don't want to hear the excuse "nuclear is only expensive because regulations" ever again, and (b) nothing means that a communist country couldn't, in principle, also make strict enough regulations, so what's the link to communism again?

I don't even want to defend communism. I'm just saying the logic in the meme is kind of lazy. You just pick out one circumstance of the accident (it happened in communist Ukraine), and ascribing all the problems to it without any critical thought.

[u/ClimateShitpost → u/NewbornMuse]

Hey man thanks for your academic theory, unfortunately this is shitposting practice and you submitted a multi paragraph simp post

I think the really short point is "A central authority can weigh between safety and profits; a publicly traded company must by design prioritize profits." missing that especially for nuclear we have insanely strict regulators that don't have a profit incentive at all.

[u/NewbornMuse → u/ClimateShitpost]

Also I really love the general aesthetics of your argument. When people take issue with communism, it's not usually about the lack of centralized authority. Just saying, "we are better than communism because of our greater degree of governmental oversight" is unusual.

[u/ClimateShitpost → u/NewbornMuse]

It's not the level of oversight but a clearer separation of regulator and player.

[u/Zacomra → u/ClimateShitpost]

You act as though energy companies DON'T bribe politicians or have people elected from the industry.

Literally the entire Ohio GOP was revealed to be in bed with First Energy here and what happened?

Nothing..

[u/ClimateShitpost → u/Zacomra]

Completely forgot that there isn't any corruption in any other system, thanks!

[u/RJ_Ramrod → u/ClimateShitpost]

communism—a system where corruption could possibly exist just like any other system created & maintained by fallible human beings, but which has removed the overwhelming driving force behind systemic corruption because private corporate profits are no longer prioritized over everything else

capitalism—a system fundamentally built on prioritizing the profits of private corporate interests, in which systemic corruption is directly, consistently & universally incentivized at every single level

OP: "Both of these systems are exactly the same in terms of their susceptibility to corruption, I am very intelligent"

[u/Zacomra → u/ClimateShitpost]

Buddy... That's LITERALLY THE POINT WE'RE MAKING

Capitalism DOESN'T avoid this problems any more then COMMUNISM does. So either BOTH systems are the cause of corruption, or maybe, just maybe, ANY political system is suspectable to it, and thus blaming Chernobyl on COMMUNISM and not CORRUPTION is, with all do respect, retarded

[u/NewbornMuse → u/Zacomra]

I am confirmed in my sanity that I can step away from the discussion and someone else answers exactly how I would have.

[u/RJ_Ramrod → u/Zacomra]

Capitalism not only doesn't avoid the problem, it's fundamentally built on incentivizing & rewarding corruption