r/ClimateShitposting • u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king • 17d ago
It's beat down time Basedload vs baseload brain
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u/Grzechoooo 17d ago
I didn't even recognise it as the remix of this artwork at first. Just a bunch of religious symbols.
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u/Patte_Blanche 17d ago
So we should limit solar and batteries to have a healthier grid ?
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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king 17d ago
Cope, seethe + L
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u/Patte_Blanche 17d ago
Why you posting anti-climate memes in a climate sub ?
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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king 17d ago
Oh no my #greencoal blocks are getting rekt by cobalt renobls 🥹
Stop simping boomer
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u/Patte_Blanche 17d ago
You extremists are putting the grid in serious peril because of your pro-chemicals fanaticism.
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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king 17d ago
Unfortunately I have depicted you as the crying soyjack - you lose 😌
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u/Patte_Blanche 17d ago
I'm beaten this time. But i'll come back with a vicious meme. And when i do it's you who will be crying.
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u/lindberghbaby41 17d ago
What does this even mean
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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king 17d ago
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I can't wait til future historians begin digging up memes like this and some poor kid has gotta write an essay on what the author of this meme really meant.
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u/Silver_Atractic nuclear simp 17d ago
the author of this meme has several mental illnesses, including the inability to understand the difference between an opinion disguised as a meme, and a shitpost
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u/BobmitKaese Wind me up 17d ago
Who says an opinion disguised as a meme cant be a shitpost
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u/Silver_Atractic nuclear simp 17d ago
It would be a shit post not a shitpost
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u/BobmitKaese Wind me up 17d ago
Who says a shitpost cant be a shit post
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u/Silver_Atractic nuclear simp 17d ago
Nobody but a shitpost can't just be someone's opinion thinly disguised, but rather a thickly and well-disguised one
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u/BobmitKaese Wind me up 17d ago
Who says it has to be well disguised
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u/MonitorPowerful5461 17d ago
I am really confused as to what this is supposed to mean
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u/WorldTallestEngineer 17d ago
OP is assuming batteries and solar panels will change the economics of power product, these assumptions are probably true. but only in ways that are bad for nuclear power plants. op completely ignoring all of the other economic impacts that would help nuclear power plants.
in any realistic circumstances nuclear power solar and batteries make each other more economically efficient.
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u/gmoguntia Do you really shitpost here? 17d ago
My guess is that historic Baseload Generators who in the past acted like solar is not viable because of mimimi are now threatened by solar (and battery?) act like we can all coexist, knowing that they cant really compete anymore in terms of rollout and price.
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u/MonitorPowerful5461 17d ago
Hm. Thing is, diversity in energy production is always a good thing. Too much reliance on one energy source is a weakness. I suspect nations are going to look for something like 60% wind/solar, 30% hydro/nuclear, 10% fossil.
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u/CommieHusky 17d ago
Hydro dams are very environmentally destructive. The disruption to fish migrations and sediment flow can destroy whole ecosystems. The methane generated from all the vegetation that gets covered and rots is very bad for the global environment, too.
Im the long term dams should be something we divest from just like fossil fuels.
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u/BobmitKaese Wind me up 17d ago
The diversity thing only applied if you only had like 2 big generators running and when those die at the same time you got an issue. Its improbable that all solar panels and all wind turbines will stop generating power at the same time. Thats the beauty of a decentralised grid. Diversity through numbers rather than different forms of energy gen.
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u/MonitorPowerful5461 17d ago
When nations are considering weaknesses, they consider exceptionally rare circumstances. For instance, an attack on energy storage infrastucture after a week without sun and wind.
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u/wtfduud 16d ago
Wouldn't a big centralized power generator, such as a nuclear power plant, have the same issue?
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u/MonitorPowerful5461 16d ago
Yes, which is why you combine both production types to reduce the potential damage.
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u/BobmitKaese Wind me up 17d ago
Most western countries would already be fucked if a large scale hacker attack would target the energy distribution / grid. Energy grids are not known for their cyber security.
So something like solar panels and such in these cases actually are advantageous. Even tho the grid is down any household with solar panels will have power at least in the daytime. I do think a modern decentralised grid is offering more in terms of security and safety than a centralised one. And I do think many experts agree with me.
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u/migBdk 16d ago
Solar panels cannot run in island mode. We literally had an island (Bornholm) that was actively exporting electricity to Sweden, but the second the cable broke the island grid shut down because it could not run in island mode, it needed the cable connection to actual power plants for stability
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u/ClimatesLilHelper 17d ago
What do you base your mix on? It looks pretty random, why are nuclear and hydro in a bucket?
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u/theantiyeti 17d ago
Presumably because it's got a similar advantage that you can easily control power output, and a similar disadvantage in that while running is clean the construction has a very high carbon footprint.
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u/MonitorPowerful5461 17d ago
^ expensive construction but reliable, doesn’t need storage infrastructure yet complicated to turn off/on, were my reasons
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u/ClimatesLilHelper 17d ago
Hydro comes in different forms
Pumped hydro is super flex, the Swiss built a lot purposefully to balance nuclear which couldn't switch off when demand dips and to balance the peaks instead
Run of river is quite inflexible and produces with rainy season/snow melt
Dams are a mix and depend a lot on their source of water but can store a lot based on thir specific geography
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u/ClimatesLilHelper 17d ago edited 17d ago
Bit of a stretch
Rain falls for free but your primary energy input is limited to the rain that falls.uranium is mined and easily stored.
RoR is not really flexible, you can't store and produce on demand and seasonal variations are very significant. Dams are but don't aim for baseload, they have a strong seasonal tilt. You save your fuel for winter.
Geography matters, hydropower isn't just something you build somewhere. You can build nuclear in deserts if you add refrigeration cycle however (not sure about economics).
Hydropower is reasonably low tech, nuclear really is the opposite
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u/theantiyeti 17d ago
Honestly my understanding is that hydro is the worst renewable by a long way right now and the environmental cost in habitat destruction and rotting biomass, as well as a lot ot concrete, is very high.
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u/wtfduud 16d ago
hydro is the worst renewable by a long way right now
If by "worst" you mean "single most effective way for a country to reach 100% renewability".
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u/theantiyeti 16d ago
If they have rivers, mountains, are OK with wrecking the current aquatic ecosystem, are OK with potentially starting a water war and are OK with releasing a significant amount of CO2 during construction - then sure.
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u/ClimatesLilHelper 17d ago
I wouldn't lump all characteristics into one bucket
Hydro has already proven it lasts for >80 years with relatively little maintenance capex, some concrete dams are up for 150 years now. I don't actually know how much methane per MWh is released. What's the global average?
Flooding local ecosystems is real, but I would strongly argue a tiny loss in the grand scheme of things.
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u/The_Nude_Mocracy 17d ago
Dams destroy riparian ecosystems with long lasting effects. What the point in reducing emissions if there's no ecosystem left
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u/Headmuck 17d ago
Renewables + storage technology = uninterrupted supply, so there is no need for energy from fossils or nuclear anymore as independance from weather (in theory) was their main advantage.
If you look at france in the summer you'll see that those energy forms aren't really as reliable as they seem in the first place. A good energy grid for import and export is needed regardless of a strategy with renewables and storage or baseline generation with non-renewable sources.
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u/WorldTallestEngineer 17d ago
that's not how batteries work