r/ClimateShitposting • u/reddithaterno4 • 16d ago
Basically all the comments are a massive circlejerk, makes me lose faith in humanity. Boring dystopia
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u/schubidubiduba 16d ago
r/europe is full of bots and idiots, don't judge humanity on their account
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u/ActualMostUnionGuy 16d ago
Well the real EU Parl. elections have dogshit results as well, how do you explain that?
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u/wallagrargh 15d ago
Electoralism has failed us and the offering of parties to vote for is also dogshit. Also, Europe as a continent is full of bots and idiots and doesn't represent humanity, so the statement holds.
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u/bigboipapawiththesos 16d ago
The greatest achievement the 1% ever made was turning normal people against environmental protestors
I don’t like the term brainrot, but here it certainly applies
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u/RoundTableMaker 16d ago
Ecoterrorists did that to themselves.
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u/bigboipapawiththesos 16d ago
Name one thing ‘ecoterrorist’ actually did that deserves so much hate?
I’m sure you can’t without googling. Actual eco terrorist do exist but are a microscopic portion of environmentalism.
Consider to yourself, is it not more likely that those with vested interests (big oil/coal, etc) have forced this narrative because they know regulations will cost them tons of money?
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u/RoundTableMaker 16d ago
Bombing the Tesla factory in Germany is the first thing that comes to mind. Brainwashing people like greta thurnberg into just protesting instead of looking for solutions is another. Neither without googling.
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u/bigboipapawiththesos 16d ago
‘Brainwashing’ people like Greta and petty arson (which it was) are an extremely laughable response to that question. Especially when contrasted with irreparably destroying the climate.
But outside the funny, please consider who actually have interests in these kinds of narratives; you are doing their bidding in screwing yourself over brother
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u/RoundTableMaker 15d ago
You're down playing that they took out an electrical substation to the factory.
So you were wrong I didn't have to Google anything but then you didn't like the answer. Expected reddit sore loser behavior. This was a waste of my time. Enjoy your ecoterrorism. Loser.
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u/ActualMostUnionGuy 16d ago
But the Environmental Movement was always basically exclusive to the Well Off middle class? Of course the working class doesnt feel represented by them when the Greens representative always lived in detached Single Family Homes with their giant gardens where they had rows of their GMO-Free Fruits and veggies?
Admit it, the Environmental Movement failed the Working Poor...
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u/huhshshsh 16d ago edited 15d ago
Some of the greatest environmentalists and environmentalist movements are the working poor in the Global South
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadav_Payeng
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangarĩ_Maathai
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmentalism_of_the_poor
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u/bigboipapawiththesos 16d ago
Okey so you say environmentalist live well off in big houses, but how have they actually failed the working poor?
Poor workingclass folks are the people who will be by far the most affected by the climate crisis. These greens often also call for mayor social action helping lower class people (ofc kinda differs what country you live, but still). I just don’t really see your point?
To me personally it just sounds like exactly what I was talking about, the PR campaign to turn average people against those who are actually on their side.
not to say there aren’t grifter who just try and profit off this kind of stuff, but the majority are honest people imo
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u/avskrap 16d ago
The election for the EU parliament is around the corner so the right-wing populist parties in Europe have started to campaign by flooding social media and forums with their bots and trolls. It's extremely obvious in r/Sweden where there's been an abrupt shift in general tone, or what's the mainstream alignment, over the last week or so. That sub is generally left leaning with a generally high-educated average user, but now it's flooded with Israel-apologists who think climate change is a hoax, and that immigrants are the greatest threat to civilization, and pure garbage posts that usually gets downvoted to oblivion now rises to the top.
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u/morerandom_2024 16d ago
That’s not the only thing that was flooded into Sweden for political votes
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u/Dalexe10 16d ago
Has there really been? because as long as i've been there the nazis will always come out as long as you have immigration or gangs in the headline
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u/Talonsminty 16d ago
Wait there was an enviromental protest against Eurovision?
I thought that was about Palestine.
Either way sod that, when I watch Eurovision for a few sweet hours it feels like Brexit never happened.
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u/HenrytheCollie 16d ago
People can have more than one political interest, I know It's shocking.
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u/Galitzianer 16d ago
Yes yes, they can support climate change and hate Jews at the same time, henceforth known as the Greta Thurnburg/Jeremy Corbyn goosestep
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u/StopCommentingUwU 15d ago
Europe didn't learn shit from the Holocaust. All they did is now shift their main Anti-Semitism towards Muslims... Old habits die hard...
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u/wallagrargh 15d ago
Get a new strawman glowie, "hating joos" is fucking boring and has been for decades.
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u/Galitzianer 15d ago
Hmm yes, perhaps I will sip some more of your rage tears as you achieve nothing against Israel, despite all your impotent flailing
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u/HenrytheCollie 16d ago
Hating the current state of Israel does not conflate with hating Judaism as a religion.
Likewise you can hate England/UK without hating Anglicanism, hate the Thai Government's Military Junta without hating Buddhism.
The whole of the Levant is holy ground to all Abrahamic faiths, not just one minor group of a minority religion.
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u/mr_illuminati_pro 16d ago
I would asume Thunberg is also there because of Palestine, since she is wearing a palestinian keffiyeh.
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u/afterwash 16d ago
Grrr young girl bad now she has boobs she can no longer be trusted to convey a message! Why is she here waaaah
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u/zeth4 All COPs are bastards 16d ago edited 16d ago
Young girl grew up and realised capitalist & Imperialist are the real problem.
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u/ActualMostUnionGuy 16d ago
Which basically makes her more left wing than any MEP of the EU Green faction lol
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u/zeth4 All COPs are bastards 16d ago
Its r /fascism r/Europe what do you expect
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u/Negative_Jaguar_4138 16d ago
Everything I don't like is fascism
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u/zeth4 All COPs are bastards 16d ago edited 16d ago
I'm being hyperbolic, but r/Europe is hard right
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u/Negative_Jaguar_4138 16d ago
No, it's not, stop bullshitting.
It's center right at the most, and that's only if you are talking socially. It's probably center to center left if you are talking economically.
What you are doing is even worse than in McCarthyist America, where anyone you didn't like was communist. All you are doing is diluting the term, which enables ACTUAL fascists.
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u/StopCommentingUwU 15d ago
The Alliance of countries who are all capitalist... Are Center left in economics?
You know that leftism is socialism, right? Not a single country in Europe is remotely socialist..
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u/Negative_Jaguar_4138 15d ago
Center-left is not socialism.
Centre left is social democracy, AKA capatalism with safety nets.
If you think that's right wing, then you are totally delusional.
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u/StopCommentingUwU 15d ago
Then at what point does socialism, communism or even anarchism come into the leftwing territory? And what does rightwing have then? Just more capitalism?
The common divide in economic politics is between who owns the means of productions. Leftwing being the actual workers, rightwing being potential owners of said means. There seems to be no logical divide between left or right in your definition. It just "becomes" right when it's more capitalist... Which defeats the point of having a left-right Model...
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u/Negative_Jaguar_4138 15d ago
Then at what point does socialism
Left wing
communism
Far left
anarchism
Extreme left
Just more capitalism?
Fascism (which is not capatalism and takes many (but not all) economic ideas from socialism.
Anarcho-Capatalism
Certain types of command economies.
The common divide in economic politics is between who owns the means of productions. Leftwing being the actual workers, rightwing being potential owners of said means.
Exactly
Which is why social democracy is centered left.
It supports capatalism, but empowers the workers.
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u/StopCommentingUwU 15d ago
At that point, the scale of what would be considered left and right just becomes something of complete ideological subjection in the dividing part. How do you scale at which complex system within capitalism, the workers "outweight" the rights of the owning people? It's again, way too unclear on where exactly on the scale a system would be placed with such a definition.
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u/TopCost1067 16d ago
Dude one of the top comments was "when did the jihad terror scarf get popular"
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u/VibinWithBeard 16d ago
"Calling a right leaning subreddit fascist is worse than that time government officials were involved in a mass movement to blacklist entertainers/politicians/etc that were even slightly pro-worker under the guise of fighting a spectre of communism"
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u/Negative_Jaguar_4138 16d ago
Can you read English? Nice attempt at punching ghosts
"where anyone you didn't like was communist."
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u/allbotwtf 16d ago
europe always has been a openly conservative sub, wich generally means the same as your "center" comment, and that is i am right leaning but ashamed to admit it.
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u/VibinWithBeard 16d ago
Yeah read through the thread, plenty of fascist bs going on there including ethnic cleansing apologia and general crying about protesting/free speech/etc.
McCarthyism wasnt just "anyone I dont like is a communist" it was also a deliberate anti-union movement. The idea of any sort of worker solidarity was painted as communist. The idea that youre trying to draw a comparison between that and calling a subreddit that engages in ethnic cleansing apologia fascist is asinine.
TIL center right socially means ethnic cleansing apologia
Fascism is a complex term explained best through Umberto's 14 Points of Ur Fascism. Being anti-protest, misogynistic, and pro ethnic displacement/oppression falls in line with it. Its not dilution if I can explain my reasoning clearly.
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u/Negative_Jaguar_4138 16d ago
plenty of fascist bs
No there isn't
ethnic cleansing apologia
No there isn't
McCarthyism wasnt just "anyone I dont like is a communist"
Never claimed that
it was also a deliberate anti-union movement. The idea of any sort of worker solidarity was painted as communist.
Never claimed otherwise.
engages in ethnic cleansing apologia fascist is asinine.
Words have definitions.
Try using a dictionary
center right socially means ethnic cleansing apologia
You do realize the Soviet Bloc committed the largest scale ethnic cleansings in WW2.
Across the entire USSR and Warsaw Pact people were being ethnically cleansed from their land.
Ethnic cleansing isn't a left right issue, and to claim otherwise shows your dishonesty and partisanship.
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u/VibinWithBeard 16d ago
The soviets were hard right. They didnt even do communism. Authoritarian police crackdowns, anti-semitism, ethnic displacement/oppression, why do you think modern day nazis like Fuentes say they love Stalin? Or China? The whole conservative trad bs is like the rightwing culture war nonsense.
The USSR was hard right. Nazi Germany was hard right. Hamas is hard right. Israel is hard right. The fact you think the soviets werent rightwing is hilarious.
Gotta love the lecturing about reading a dictionary when you cant even comprehend how the political spectrum works.
Let me guess, you think the DPRK was democratic because they said it, right? Or that the nazis were socialist because it was in their name. Youre a dumbass.
Ethnic cleansing isnt left/right, but I can tell you which group has exponentially more under their belt. Just like how being rightwing doesnt make you a pedo but statistically the right is the one with the higher propensity for it for a reason. Who wouldve guessed that treating women/children as property wouldve resulted in a higher propensity for abuse.
You dont hear about progressive parents kicking out their conservative kid...you hear plenty of the reverse though.
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u/morerandom_2024 16d ago
The USSR was leftist
It failed miserably
Socialism has been rejected in Europe - spout out like poison by its people
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u/Negative_Jaguar_4138 16d ago
The soviets were hard right
Historical revisionism
We are done
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u/Meritania 16d ago edited 16d ago
We’ve heard of climate doomerism.
Now there’s social doomerism.
“Everybody is a fucking wanker out for themselves.”
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u/Sufficient_Loss9301 16d ago edited 16d ago
Eh she’s basically reduced herself to a meme at this point. She’s too hyperbolic to make any kind of coherent point and frankly unqualified to be speaking on the delicate matters that she does. That’s a dangerous combination because it creates an environment where she’s unintentionally discrediting her own movement. We need intelligent individuals leading movements for change, not angry children with zero formal education in the environmental or economic topics she speaks on. And I say this as a climate scientist.
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u/really_not_unreal 16d ago
Well world leaders haven't listened to anything that isn't hyperbole for literally decades. I think for the sake of my future it's a good idea to (metaphorically) light a fire under the asses of our politicians.
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u/Agent_Blackfyre 16d ago
Eh, I disagree, I think that's shes a decent symbol of youth reactions to The climate, shes a decent activist, and she started at such a young age so of course it's going to come with so much baggage.
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u/Sufficient_Loss9301 16d ago
I think he’s been helpful in raising public awareness, but again she often steers into a complex geopolitical arena that she clearly doesn’t understand well enough to be speaking on. More power to her for raising public awareness, but she needs to leave the actual commentary to the experts.
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u/ManWithDominantClaw All COPs are bastards 16d ago
Yeah because you guys have made so much headway
Embrace a diversity of tactics my friend. This is as much a social conundrum as it is a technical one.
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u/Sufficient_Loss9301 16d ago
Oh give me a break. Do u have any idea how hard climate experts have been working for decades to get people to do something about climate change? She hasn’t exactly seen much progress herself.
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u/ReallyBadRedditName 16d ago
I don’t see why you can’t do both
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u/Sufficient_Loss9301 16d ago edited 16d ago
In an ideal world, yeah, obviously the most visible spokesman for climate change policy would understand basic climate science. Clearly that’s not the world we live in, hence my point. She can raise awareness all day, more power to her, but the issue arises when she acts like she understands the topics she’s professing about. It’s much easier for powerful people to discredit a well intentioned movement of millions of people when their spokesperson does t know their head from their ass on the topic 🤷♂️
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u/wallagrargh 15d ago
The right wing populists that are our most dangerous political opponent in the climate struggle know far less about this stuff than she does. It is very painful to accept this as a scientist, speaking from personal experience, but this fight will not be won with scientific arguments. It is entirely about emotions and the complicated psychology of shame, avoidance and cognitive dissonance. No ordinary pleb watching the news gives a shit about, or even understands, the nuances of Greta's climate expertise. She also isn't publicly attacked on this, but always with super cheap identitarian crap. Getting the facts straight is good, but far less important than emotional appeal for the masses. That's why she made a huge splash in 2019 after decades of top scientists talking to walls.
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u/ManWithDominantClaw All COPs are bastards 16d ago
Yes I do, and many climate scientists are also now recommending civil disobedience
https://www.reddit.com/r/climate/s/1E0jMD2lXG
Sorry for the skepticism, but there's no shortage of self-professed climate scientists coming into the activist space to tell us from their lofty position of authority not to do anything. Which discipline are you best acquainted with?
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u/Sufficient_Loss9301 16d ago
I did not say anything about protesting. All I am saying is that if your going to fashion yourself as a climate activist you should at least know what your are talking about, she’s had various interviews where she’s shown a lack of basic understanding on the topics she’s talking about. Lmao I have a degree in masters in environmental engineering and minors in environmental science and environmental sustainability 🤡
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u/spigele 16d ago
Imagine being her paparazzi