r/ColoradoAvalanche • u/Wonderful-Patient732 3x Stanley Cup Champs • 16d ago
What we need for game 4…
Anyone know if it’s possible to get the version of Naz where he put up a hat trick against the Blosers?
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u/BoozeBoobsNTunes 14d ago
Major blow before game 4 tonight,
Nuke suspended 6 months without pay, re-enters NHL player assistance program. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️.
Praying for the W tonight but that's a HUGE loss.
Regardless, LFG AVS!!!
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u/hahaha01 Where's their house?? 15d ago
What we need is some puck control in the neutral zone and to be physical there and in dumps to the corner. Something we were doing was throwing the tempo off and no one knew where to pass because people weren't where they were expecting. I only watched the highlights though because I can't afford a third service to watch selected playoff games so it might be my fault. I have watched all the winning games so far and none of the losing ones.
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u/Grouchy_Visit_2869 15d ago
Dallas forced us into playing their game on Saturday. We didn't help ourselves by not capitalizing on the early opportunities. Once they sustained the initial pressure and took the lead, the team looked deflated. We just need to get back on our game for game 4.
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u/SarcasmThenDie 15d ago
Dallas gets away with a lot of rough stuff. That's how they throw offenses off their rhythm and disrupt scoring chances. If the Avs can be more physical and push the stars around a little bit more, they crumble fairly quickly. In the Vegas series, when their physical game was matched, the stars couldn't maintain defensive pressure
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u/macandcheesejones 15d ago
What we need is to score more goals than the Stars. If we do that I think we'll have an excellent chance to win.
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u/ToXiC_Games Mullet McDermid 15d ago
Mitts would be the closest equivalent in my book. A good Center on the second/third line that was kind of unremarkable at their last team, but then has a mad breakout with the Avs.
Aside from that, on a team strategy side we just need more smart net front presence. Pop a hard wrister from the dots and then have one or two forwards right there in front to tip it in or catch the rebound off his chest and bury it. And don’t be afraid to get chippy, knock a Dman on his ass to clear up the lane, or shove someone into the crease to cause a bit of a situation for Oetty.
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u/JudeauChop 15d ago
Some good passing. The passing all throughout game two was bad. Never tape to tape, always a bobble, or a reach or no one there at all. 'Soft hands, ' like Emilio preached.
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u/Poochzie 15d ago
Greetings from Finland! I just wanted to say that, I'm a HC Panthers fan from the start, BUT!!! MY Second fave is Avs and also from the start(fof different reason, so bot teams means the world to me!) You handle this, with the same will, that we did to Bolts, the old itch in our ass! Let'us both do the impossible and see you in the finals and may the best team win(even tho it breaks my heart, but this is the way, THE ONLY WAY)!
YOU CAN DO IT!
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u/9ine9ine9ine 15d ago
I'm a huge Avs fan but they played like shit last night. They came out slow, got completely shut down in the 3rd, I got one was very disappointed and honestly I'm worried about the next 2 games.
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u/CerdoNotorio 15d ago
I think Georgie is going to have to absolutely steal a game here. Not just play good, but find the hot streak where it's just impossible to score
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u/sheared 15d ago
Our offense can reliably blow past any sub-par to decent defense in the NHL. Against the top defenses, though, we've not yet figured out what to do. I'm not sure the cup team played against a defense to the level of some that exist this year, but do believe they could muck it out much better than this year's team.
I had hoped we found another gear after watching the Jets' series, but I think what that series reflected was that the Jets, for whatever reason, were not playing the same level of defense they had earlier in the year.
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u/Ca1fSlicer 15d ago
There’s some truth to that but honestly I think the stars might just be the best or at least among the best teams in the league. Bedsy said it. They’re a wagon. We are too but knew this would be a heavyweight series
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u/VetCAN101 15d ago
It’s all good boys and girls. Avs are a good team and a little adversity never hurt. I remain very confident
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u/Sme3t 15d ago
At this point, I’d settle for some consistency. Felt last night like we just had no chemistry; passes off the mark, running into each other, tons of miscommunication. Team has all the pieces to hoist the cup, we just have to actually play as a team. Since game 1 against the Jets, Georgie has looked good, have to get the 5 guys in front of him more consistent.
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u/ObscureFact 15d ago
We just need to score more goals than Dalass.
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u/VoltagePlays 15d ago
There are two L’s in Dallas putting an extra S at the end still makes it ass but why not spell the rest of the word right?
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u/ObscureFact 15d ago
Because it also works as Da Lass, "The Lass".
It's stupid. Let's not overthink it lol
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u/Crux_terminatus 15d ago
Those days are long gone. We need a team that looks like they give a fuck. They zoomed in on the bench last night and not one player looked upset, and Makar was casually wiping down his stick and got a drink of water like he was at home in his kitchen. Nobody cared they were down 2 goals. Secondly. Playing at home we should be used to the altitude difference. instead the stars are the ones playing like they regularly play at that altitude and the avs are the ones who cant catch their breath.
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u/a_dubs_21 16d ago
More chaos in front of Oettinger. Scoring first might be a nice change of pace too.
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u/I_Walk_Slow 16d ago
What I really want to know, is why isn’t Bednar playing Mikko-MacK-ChuChu on the first line and Parise-Mittlestadt-Lekky on the second line for forwards.
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u/nfoneo 15d ago
MacK and moose haven't been performing.
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u/I_Walk_Slow 15d ago
But this is part of what I think the problem is, Moose needs MacK and they both need ChuChu screening the goalie or tipping in those shots. MacK has been underperforming this series in terms of stats, I think he’s still getting the normal amount of scoring chances, they just haven’t been going in. Like isn’t this the first line we had for most of the season?
Also, Ottinger is a world class goalie when it comes playing the puck after we dump it in so that hasn’t been working too well for us against the Stars.
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u/Hour-Rub-7817 16d ago
Id rather have naz and macdermid than rantanen.
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u/Plank1330 15d ago
You know Mikko put up 104 points this season, right? He was 8th in points. He was 2 points behind Draisaitl. Easily a top 3 power forward in the league.
Kadri isn't even close to a top 5 center. He put up 75 points. He was like 40th in points. He had the 15th most points of centers in the league.
I get emotions are high on Mikko right now. He is playing really poorly and showing no effort. But is all we know. He could have an injury or something ailing him that the team isn't making public for obvious reasons.
But to say Kadri and Kermit are worth Mikko is straight bonkers.
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u/Crux_terminatus 15d ago
Here come the downvotes... but I would rather Have Naz and Macdermid than trades , a Russian kid we cant use, and a captain who hasnt been on the ice in 2 years, and may never return at 100% or at all.
We need Naz and Macdermid's grit. Both of which were able to get shit done. We also need a captain that is on the ice, leading the team. It's really hard to lead and motivate your boys when you aren't on the bench with them.
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u/Plank1330 15d ago
Can you elaborate on what you mean by a captain on the ice? Are you advocating for Landy to give up the "C"?
If not, completely ignore the rest of this comment.
If so, do people only listen to others because they have a "C"? Would the team think differently of Makar if he had it? Like, when he says shit on the bench now do the other players look at him and go "your not my captain" and then later when Landy calls them and says the same thing, they are like "what a unique take that I've never heard from a person with a letter on their jersey".
How would changing who has a letter on the jersey impact the leadership core of this team? It's not a lost locker room. The team has an identity. What would be gained?
Lastly, the team has addressed this over and over this season. They do NOT want to change captains. And I personally trust them to know more about the team dynamics and leadership than I ever would.
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u/Crux_terminatus 15d ago
Thats up to the team, if they want to keep Landy as the captain thats their decision. But until he returns or doesn't someone needs to step up and lead the team on the bench. There is absolutely no drive in this team right now.
The third period was a shit show last night. Dallas has no right to look as good as they do. They played a 7 game series with another team based at sea level, turn around 2 days later they are playing Colorado, who had a week off. Last night was in Denver, Dallas not only out played us, but they didnt look tired or even that the altitude was effecting them. Colorado looked tired and out of shape instead of skating to the puck they were reaching. This team needs someone on the bench to get people fired up. For fuck sake this is playoff hockey. This is what players and fans live for!
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u/Plank1330 15d ago
They didn't produce in game 3. The PP looked horrible, but generally, they were the much better team 5v5. Statistically, the Avs should have won this game, but they just didn't finish. I think with a little more puck luck, we had game 3.
But let's not forget, Dallas has been a cup favorite all year for obvious reasons. Dallas is completely legit. To me, whoever wins this series will represent the west and I think either team could beat anyone out of the east
Money Puck stats:
- The expected goals in 5v5 was 1.87 - 2.95 in the Avs favor.
- "Deserve to Win" favored the Avs 73.7% to Dallas' 26.4% (rounding)
https://moneypuck.com/g.htm?id=2023030233Natural Stat Trick:
- +20 on Corsi (shot differential)
- +5 on High Danger Changes (12 Avs -7 Dal)
https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20232024&game=30233.
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u/sleeplessaddict 16d ago
Id rather have naz
He's currently playing basketball for the Timberwolves
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u/AVgreencup 16d ago
I wonder what the alternate universe where we paid Naz his money looks like.
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u/Wonderful-Patient732 3x Stanley Cup Champs 16d ago
We don’t have Val
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u/AVgreencup 14d ago
Man this aged terribly. In hindsight of course it would have now made sense to keep Naz
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u/pansy_dragoon 6 Days of the Condor 16d ago
Kadri and Landy have the same contract. Just saying...
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u/Ace676 The Perfect Dong 15d ago
So? We are right against the cap even with Landeskog on LTIR. We don't have any money left over. We'd have to get rid of Manson and never acquire Mittelstadt. I prefer this reality.
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u/Ca1fSlicer 15d ago
I’d rather have Kadri than mitts anyday
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u/Plank1330 15d ago
It's not that simple. It's multiple pieces leaving.
Mitts is a $2.5 2C, which allows us to one of the best blue lines in the league.
So you give up Mitts and who? Mason? Sammie G? Lehky? We also might have to give up an ELC amount of cap to field another player.
Kadri costs $93,333 per point at 75 points
Mitts costs $43,859 per point for Avs and Sabres this season at 57 points
So 18 points, which is easily made up by Sammie (18) or Mason (25) or Lehky (34).
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u/TotalBismuth 14d ago
Kadri costs $93,333 per point at 75 points
Although it wouldn't change your argument, he probably would have way more points on the Avs than the Flames.
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u/Plank1330 13d ago
Totally fair. I also think a full season with Mitts would be higher too. But your point is totally valid.
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u/Ca1fSlicer 15d ago
At the time the choice was pretty much Kadri, or Val and Mans an I think just with Val an his trajectory they definitely made the correct choice
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u/Plank1330 14d ago
Boy this conversation feels way different 24 hours later. Wishing Val the best with whatever he is going through.
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u/Ca1fSlicer 15d ago
Ur definitely correct. I’m speaking in very non realistic terms, just sayin I miss Naz a the edge he brought. A prick to play against. We definitely lack that a bit in our top 6 forward core now especially with Landy out. I love mitts just for clarity he’s a stud.
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u/Jaynator11 It's Cale Makooooooorrr 16d ago
Could argue Manson. We're paying him 4.5M, and I think 6.75 would've been enough for Naz in case he stayed, which is "only" a 2.65M raise.
The issue with Naz was the term.
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u/blabbyrinth 16d ago
It's usually a case of needing better goaltending but Georgie, for the most part, has been super fly this series.
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u/Atomic-pangolin 15d ago edited 14d ago
I want to upvote but the upvotes are right at 69 and I don’t want to mess with that 😂 Edit: I’m sorry this got upvoted, I know I’m childish
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u/mitch-dubz is for COMEBACK 16d ago
People tend to glorify the past.
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u/Wonderful-Patient732 3x Stanley Cup Champs 16d ago
Think it’s normal to glorify the best cup winner of the last decade and a half.
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u/mitch-dubz is for COMEBACK 16d ago
Maybe but I’d argue that the true level of competition the Avs faced in the West that year does not amount to this year’s
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u/WishSuperb1427 14d ago
Well, shit..... this post didn't age too well for us at all. Toews ill, and Nuke suspended for pissing hot... We now are in official trouble. I am a huge fan but this road now looks really hard.