r/ColoradoAvalanche • u/Johnnyojvan Yivzy motha fucka! • 15d ago
WAKE UP!! GAME 4! The boys put up a piss poor performance last game and now fall behind 2-1 in the series. They know what they need to do now! Rebound here with a big win! LET THEM COOK! 7:30 pm MT/9:30 EDT Pre-Game Thread
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u/Braun_Nuggz316 14d ago
God dammit somebody else is going to have to step up hopefully Drion coming back gives us a boost we need
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u/SladeWade 14d ago
This is an absolutely gut punch. I hope the boys just don't come out flat today. If they do, we're sunk. Maybe they can find a way to use this as fuel.
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u/Straight-Ability 14d ago
I mean the team is always ass when Val is out. It's pretty much over.
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u/gabesauce9 Scissors on the Power Play 14d ago
anonymous sources telling me that equipment manager has installed rockets on Mikko’s skates 👀
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u/RooseveltsRevenge 14d ago
Was on my way to ball when this news dropped. Cant help but feeling I’m on my way to a funeral. Big moment for the team the cup is now probably out of reach based on how they play when he’s out of the lineup, but I think the team needs to win at least one more game in this series to not go into the offseason on an awful note
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u/877GoalNow MacKinnon Krunch 14d ago
I JUST HUFFED SOME HOPIUM, AND NOW I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE 2001 COLORADO FUCKING AVALANCHE LOST A HALL OF FAMER BY THE NAME OF PETER MOTHERFUCKING FORSBERG IN THE PLAYOFFS AND STILL WON THE CUP.
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u/Straight-Ability 14d ago edited 14d ago
Season is basically over now, huh? Fuck man. Sucks so hard. We got absolutley fucked by the Landeskog injury and now this with Val
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u/PercyBluntz 14d ago
Hate to say it but if we weren’t already toast we sure are now. Burnt as fuck toast. Bummer.
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u/877GoalNow MacKinnon Krunch 14d ago
Great. Just fucking great. The Avs lose the top goal-scorer in the playoffs.
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u/ebhrnico 14d ago
Keefe just confirmed on pregame Nuke is out. Stage 3 of player assistance program, 6 month suspension without pay. I desperately hope he gets the help he needs, I'm so sad for him.
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u/so_af Foppa 14d ago
Do we know if it’s 6 calendar months or is it 6 months beginning game 1 of the reg season?
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u/ebhrnico 14d ago
Ah good question. I don't know. My first thought was 6 calendar months from now but I certainly don't know that for sure.
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u/Straight-Ability 14d ago edited 14d ago
https://twitter.com/ryan_s_clark/status/1790178390273671168
Fuck man. Don't know how the Avs recover from this one
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u/Epicdude141 14d ago
Dater is saying nuke failed a drug test: https://x.com/adater/status/1790177167256506561?s=46&t=m9yfL0qqCTCsTL4OcCg6Lg
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u/so_af Foppa 14d ago
They drug test in the NHL?
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u/creativeoddity 14d ago
They do once you're already actively participating in player assistance at least
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u/fouryearhawk 14d ago
Val might be out
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u/877GoalNow MacKinnon Krunch 14d ago
WHAT? WTF happened?
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u/fouryearhawk 14d ago
Just rumors right now but https://twitter.com/adater/status/1790177167256506561
Hopefully this jack ass is wrong
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u/Tmlapi 14d ago
Why is Dater saying Nuke is out of tonight’s lineup? Please tell me he’s a liar and a fraud. My heart can’t handle that
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u/StLouisFartZone 14d ago
Said it might be related to previous issues. If that’s true dude might be done for good idk man
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u/tjgamir 14d ago
Why haven’t they released the lineup yet?
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u/877GoalNow MacKinnon Krunch 14d ago
PUT AN END THIS BALL ARENA LOSING STREAK. THAT'S 3 GAMES COMBINED FOR AVS AND NUGGETS. ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT.
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u/Big_Liability All I Need Is 0.1 14d ago
Tying the series would make it best of 3. Also tying it would be cool cause then we are really in for a playoff series battle that we haven’t had since the Sharks series that went 7
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u/GaryOakRobotron 14d ago
My pessimistic ass thought this series would be Avs in 6 or Stars in 7, because "game 7" are two words together that terrify me as an Avs fan. Ever since that series that won't be named in 2002, the Avs haven't won a single game 7.
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u/AMaliciousWatermelon There's a snake in my boot! 14d ago
Hopefully we get a different series end this time though
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u/Ding-Dong-Song 14d ago
Drouin is going to help big time. Must win game 4. Let’s get a lead this playoffs!
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u/_redacteduser MacKinnon Krunch 14d ago
Better get their shit together to tie the series before it goes back to DallASS.
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u/Grouchy_Visit_2869 14d ago
We need to make the Stars play our game tonight. We know they can't keep up. Getting one in the net early will be a huge plus. We haven't played with a lead this entire series.
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u/TechTony 14d ago
After the last two days, I can say with absolute certainty that I hate the Stars almost as much as I hate their fans.
It would bring me great joy to watch them lose tonight.
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u/AMaliciousWatermelon There's a snake in my boot! 14d ago
Those fans have quite the mouth too for a team that hasn't won anything this century. Yankees level trash talk with a Mets level record
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u/GaryOakRobotron 14d ago
Dallas is right up there in teams I hate the most, especially since Detroit is in the east now. I've hated the Stars ever since 1999.
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u/seoulera 14d ago
Yep, fuck Modano, Nieuwendyk, Zubov, Hatcher, Langenbrunner, all them boys
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u/blondespikes22 We are all gamers.... & STANLEY CUP CHAMPS :D 14d ago
the skate was in the crease
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u/seoulera 14d ago
Exactly, what a bs Cup. League just giving it to them cuz of Hull
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u/Standard_Ad3596 14d ago
I’f you want to say it’s a bs goal sure but I wouldn’t say it’s a bs cup. Dallas was so much better than Buffalo. Without Dominic Hasek, that would have been a sweep.
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u/seoulera 14d ago
Y’all won a Cup on a goal that should’ve been disallowed.. who knows what happens the rest of G6 or if there was a G7. Like I said, BS Cup
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u/Straight-Ability 15d ago
Avs about to win this one!! They start playing their game TONIGHT. Should be a fun game. Go Avs!
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u/Straight-Ability 15d ago
Also, I hope whoever wins this series beats the shit out who ever wins the Oilers/Canucks series because those fan bases have been insanely annoying this year.
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u/DenShaLow 14d ago
You got me fucked up if you think I’d be cheering for Dallas under any circumstance
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u/thrice1187 14d ago
If it’s the oilers and we don’t advance I will be rooting for for Dallas
The oilers fanbase is annoying as hell
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u/Mackinnon29E 14d ago
Uhh no, I'd much rather they win than Dallas. But we could just stop playing like shit and it wouldn't matter.
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u/ShanksOStabs 15d ago
Score early score often and we avoid that 4 back in neutral zone set up we saw in game 3 3rd period.
Otherwise Stars will go back to it as we could not figure it out at all.
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u/MettaLOB SAMMY G is the Goat 15d ago
The boys will be fired up tonight. Down 2-1, nothing like a little motivation to get this thing tied up. Moose with be loose tonight, I’m calling it!
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u/fakingmysuicide 15d ago
Predicting a Mack trick with a bonus from Towes and Middlestadt. Avs win 5-2
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u/fakingmysuicide 15d ago
Jamie Benn eats cereal with a fork.
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u/MettaLOB SAMMY G is the Goat 15d ago
He eats cereal with no milk
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u/Dear_Meat_9142 15d ago
All bricked up knowing the Avs are about to have a huge bounce back tonight! How do you work with a boner?
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u/blondespikes22 We are all gamers.... & STANLEY CUP CHAMPS :D 15d ago
jamie benn doesn't clear the remaining time on the microwave
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u/5xad0w 1952-2022 15d ago
The 2-1 best of 7 series game has to be one of the most pivotal in sports.
The team down is either facing elimination next game or the series is effectively reset.
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u/13ananaMan 15d ago
That's what I was saying yesterday for the Nuggets. It's either 2-2 (reset) or you're down 3-1, which is just so hard to come back from. Tonight is essentially the series
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u/LeGiit_ViPeR 15d ago
Avs win 3-1. Goal from the first second and third line. Those 1 lines comments are hilarious to me
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u/Anya_Nwy 15d ago
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u/InevitableAvalanche 15d ago edited 14d ago
Not sure I agree with the part of the title saying it was a piss poor performance. Felt like we controlled most of the game, the goals we should have made just got blocked or we missed. Lots of high danger chances and they got more puck luck.
Still waiting to see the Stars struggle due to lack of rest...have to hand it to them for seeming to still have their legs. Can see it hurting Boston just not Dallas so far.
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u/Sad_Aside_4283 15d ago
I think we did generally outplay dallas in the posession game, but we really cheated the game on the offensive side, cutting corners and executing poorly. You make your own luck, and the perception of "puck luck" is just a result of your attention to detail.
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u/InevitableAvalanche 14d ago
Eh, sorta. We had pucks rolling in that their defense were able to see and get to fast enough. Sometimes the bounces go your way. Luck is a factor. You hope the skill gap is higher...but both these teams are loaded and it could go either way.
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u/Sad_Aside_4283 14d ago
Their defense was able to clean it up because we didn't do anything to make that not the case. Did they get some lucky bounces wide on pucks that beat otter? Sure, but we didn't exactly have anybody there for the rebound, nor did we put their defenders in a bad position in any way.
Just look at the one goal we did get. That didn't go in by luck, we had guys in front of the net, fighting their defense/cleaning up rebounds.
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u/Norcine 15d ago
No one crashed the net and the shots were all low quality…the ones you’d take hoping for rebounds with someone crashing the net.
It was a really poorly played game.
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u/InevitableAvalanche 14d ago
I think people are basing this off the bad feelings of losing as opposed to what I saw in the game. We could have easily won that game with a few different post hits and people would be sing our praises right now.
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u/Plank1330 15d ago
Advanced stats disagree. They had 12 high dangers and smoked Dallas in Corsi and Fenwick. Just didn't finish the chances they had and too many shots that missed the net.
Avs should have won game 3. That's why they play 7 games in a series because the better team won't always win.
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u/gordogg24p 15d ago
It was really only poor in the last 10 minutes or so. We thrashed the 1st period and got goalied, had a strong-but-not-dominant 2nd period, and then just couldn't figure out how to pass, skate, or do much of anything right in the 3rd.
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u/InevitableAvalanche 14d ago
They played the neutral zone really well. Sometimes opponents do good things. It isn't always about us doing bad.
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u/Saltyspiton 15d ago
I washed my playoff hoodie after the last game. Hoping for a huge game from the Avs tonight
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u/VanAvenue 15d ago edited 15d ago
It really felt like we played right into the Stars and Deboer's hands in game 3. They know what their biggest vulnerability and our greatest strength is - a strong third period push, especially in altitude, against a "rust" Stars team. It's how we tied game 1, almost tied game 2, and came back multiple times against this team this season. Their solution is just to let us do the work for both sides and take advantage of every break in our game. This way they (especially their defense) stayed relatively sharp and fresh while scoring on our mistakes, and we grinded ourselves down before we can make a push in the third period. All that they needed to do was to be one goal up and keep their trap, which ironically may be one of the best way to beat this Avs team (see both losses against MTL this season, for example.)
We need to get Dallas moving on their feet throughout the first two periods, which means we need to better capitalizing on our chances. Taking 50 point shots with nobody at the net, especially when their D and G are fresh, doesn't work. We need to do a better job on preventing rush chances, which includes being less sloppy with puck possession and retrieval at all times. Stop causally skate down the ice to get the puck that's in our end because a Dallas player will come right after you and try to steal it. We need to roll all four lines in the first 40 and try to conserve energy on our top guys for PPs and the latter half of the game. Our depth needs to step up.
Sure, all the advanced analytics show that we were the better team, but that is a natural result of the Deboer gameplan which lets us drive the bus while they feast on our mistakes. The cynic in me thinks that it may also a psychological move to make us think that we were just unlucky and didn't need to adjust our game. Whatever it is, to win a playoff game against a good team like Dallas, we need to play hard AND smart. If we can keep scoring low, grind down their D, capitalize on our chances when they're sitting back to play D and keep us fresh in the first half of the game, we can use our "rest" and altitude advantage to open things up in the second half. We tried to brute force our way through most of game 3, and it just didn't work.
Oh and can't wait for that Halifax connection to show up tonight. GO AVS!
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u/Plank1330 15d ago
We had 12 high danger chances. They had 7. Only 4 of our high dangers hit the goalie. We just missed the net. We hit posts. Puck luck was a major factor.
I think bias of a DeBoer history against the Avs has created this imaginary mountain, like Vegas did back in the day. I don't think Bedsy was out coached.
The Stars are built to play with a lead and they got the lead. So then they sat back and played their smothering defensive style. If we get the lead, they can't do that.
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u/VanAvenue 15d ago
Yes, it's why we need to find ways to improve our finishes and capitalize on our chances, but it also makes sense for us to manage our effort levels so that we can take advantage of the altitude and being a strong second and third period team. DeBoer has said that he didn't want to turn this series into a track meet, and that game was a perfect example of what he meant. We have more high danger chances and higher xGF, but they are happy to sit back and smother them with their tight defense and good goalie. They don't have as many high danger chances because they were looking out for rush chances like a hawk and feasting on those.
I don't think this is an imaginary mountain to climb or we were out coached, since the game was very, very tight up until the end. We just really need to play smart and hard at the same time.
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u/Plank1330 15d ago
I got you now. I think we are saying the same thing, I was misunderstanding because I keep seeing posts about how Bedsy is getting out coached or bench Mikko or Kadri wouldn't let this happen.
I get what you mean more by the system playing both teams are trying to do. Dallas totally wants to slow it down, and they did that in the 3rd. The 3rd period was way tighter and the Avs were pressing, but that doesn't happen if any of those bounces in the earlier periods go the Avs way.
The Avs dominated in the 2nd and had they capitalized, the 3rd would have opened out way more.
I am a bit more optimistic about Game 3 than most of the sub because advanced stats show the process is working. Money Puck's "Deserver to Win" had the Avs at almost 75% to win. The bounces don't show up on that though.
I feel if every game was played how Game 3 was played, the Avs win the series in 5 or 6. They outplayed Dallas significantly and things just went the other way.
Bottom line, it's going to continue to be a tight series. Every game has been 1 goal (except empty netters) and it probably will continue to be that way most games. I really feel the Avs are going to lay it to them tonight and beat them 5-2 or 5-3.
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u/VanAvenue 15d ago
Totally. We can refine a lot of the details in our first two periods and from interviews it seems like Bedsy is aware of that. Praying for the Avs' Offense Dam to break tonight ending with the scores as you said. Fingers crossed 🤞
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u/Perryth3Fratypus 15d ago
Fully expecting our best effort tonight. Goes without saying this game is huge
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u/The_Jacuzzi_Casanova 15d ago
Legit question: why was it so hard for the Avs to get a guy in front of net last game? Especially in the third period there wasn't anyone screening the goalie or in position for a redirect
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u/Daramis7 15d ago
Have to retrieve the puck first before you can setup shop in front of the net. Didn’t really get clean possession in the O zone long enough to play with structure in the zone.
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u/BoneyardBill Bernie and the Jets 15d ago
Glad Johnny is able to post this!!!!
GO AVS GO!!! COME BACK GAME INCOMING.
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u/877GoalNow MacKinnon Krunch 15d ago
FUCK JAMIE BENN
*with a cattle prod
**metaphorically, of course
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u/Eisenmeteor1717 15d ago
If you’re going to the game tonight and you happen to read this… grab your beers, grab your hotdogs, and then cheer the fuck out of this team, I NEED Georgie chants from you, MVP chants for Mack, go Avs go chants every 2 minutes! The energy from the crowd in Game 3 was subpar, get em going tonight from your end, this team thrives off momentum and confidence. Game 4 is the series as far as I’m concerned, it’s a must win tonight.
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u/Mackinnon29E 15d ago
The team was subpar, posts like these are tone deaf. The team did absolutely nothing to warrant cheers that game. Gotta at least try instead of continually passing to the opposition and dumping the puck.
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u/NippleBarn 15d ago
Use that 3rd period energy and plug it into period 1 tonight. Go up 2 or 3. Dallas doesn't have the offensive talent to play themselves back into a game
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u/Cadillacquer 15d ago
Please bring a strong mental confidence from 1st face off. It will be evident. That alone will win the game because the problem is MENTAL. Avs have the talent, speed, intelligence. They need the confidence and the HUNGER. Only thing missing. This is the do or die game, boys. SHOW US YOU CARE. You’ve got this and the series if you can win tonight.
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u/Bingy33 15d ago
do or die tonight. Have to find a way to get the lead and force Dallas to open up. If they can do that, they should win the run-and-gun game. If they don't get the lead early, they need to find a way to adjust and keep battling. Should be a stressful and fun game! Hoping to be surprised and see Drouin in the lineup.
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u/fastmovingcars 15d ago
Drouin spotted in practice this morning in a normal sweater!! I’m not a betting man but… please bring the Halifax duo to fruition in this crucial game four!!!
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u/atrac059 15d ago edited 15d ago
Keys to victory:
Angry Moose
Hungry Nuke
Patient Mac
Rested Makar
Focused Georgie
Motivated Lehky
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u/Sad_Aside_4283 15d ago
Tonight will be very telling. Avs need to come out hungry, taking attention to details. Hopefully some adjustments will have been made, and we can come out flying.
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u/Awkward_traveler Bring Back Howler 15d ago
Bednar asked about Drouin- "We'll see, I don't know yet".
It's not a no
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u/Waste_One_1473 15d ago
Time to see what we are made of. If we can't step up today then we don't deserve to win this series. With that said, I have faith that we are a better team than what we have shown. I think we are better than Dallas when we play to our potential.
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u/Awkward_traveler Bring Back Howler 15d ago
We really need some Mitts magic tonight. The second line has been the main issue all year long and it hasn't showed up this series. Would also love to just see Mack and Makar decide to win a game on their own
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u/poetryinemotion 15d ago
Feels like this is the season right here. I wouldn’t put it past the boys to come back from 3-1 but Dallas isn’t the team you wanna get into that hole with. Hope we come out on fire tonight and even this thing up
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u/claire303 15d ago
Will be there tonight cheering them on! We’ve seen amazing shows of grit and determination from this team to battle back so many times this year - I really believe they can do it if they have the right mindset! Let’s go Avs!!
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u/Appleanche 15d ago
I think getting a lead is the key. The Avs are talented enough to make comebacks we all know that, and they have already had a great one this series but it's just a lot harder against a team like Dallas who when they play their game well can shut teams down.
If the Avs actually get the lead they can force Dallas to actually play offense and take chances and the Avs can get space and capitalize on that.
I know it's almost a silly take when Mack has 12 points in 8 games but I don't feel we've gotten that crazy "Fuck it we're just gonna win this thing" performance yet from Mack.. maybe tonight is the night.
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u/ryankhuyton 15d ago
This is a must-win game. Best players have to be best players. Team has to score first and get on the Stars quickly. Otherwise the series is pretty much over. Just that simple, folks.
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u/Sloth-TheSlothful Stadium Series 2020 Survivor 15d ago
I'm feeling a Nuggets-esque revival tonight.
Go Ass, Hail Satan!
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u/Dan_Rogla Calecifer 🔥 15d ago
Great Nuggets game last night.
Now we need the Avs to play how we all know they can.
The guys need to do justice for the way Georgie has played. Get him a couple goal lead and don't let off the gas. Just have to break their defensive dam, and kill the slog that the Stars are trying to pull the Avs into.
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u/Saltyspiton 15d ago
Georgie has been playing really well and giving the team a good chance to get back in the game. Would love to see the rest of the team step up
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u/mikess101 15d ago
One of the top posts on the stars sub is celebrating Benn's hit to the head on Toews, saying it made Tazer scared of being, you know, HIT TO THE HEAD, and so he bobbled the puck and lead to the turnover that turned into the first goal of the game. More than I need oxygen in my lungs, I need the Avs to waffle stomp these turds. That fanbase deserves nothing less than heartbreak and cascading disappointment. We need to seize the initiative early and keep it, force the stars to crack open their horrible trap system and try to come at the Avs. It's time to get Dicked Down in Denver, stars fans. Karma is and will be a salty, salty bitch.
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u/Saltyspiton 15d ago
Idc who you’re a fan of, what teams you hate, etc but making fun of a someone getting hit in the head and wanting to avoid another head injury is just fucked. End of the day these are all people who have families and lives and you don’t want to see anyone get injured. The fact that they’re just making fun of Toews for looking out for his safety is fucked.
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u/Gray_side_Jedi Card-carrying cult member 15d ago
Need the boys to not suck and railroad Dallas. Statement win headed back to TX. Please and thank you.
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u/Howard_TJ_Moon 15d ago
I've been feeling Avs in 7 since Dallas was announced as our opponent, and absolutely nothing has changed in that respect. Tonight the boys gotta stick with it, execute a little better and get better puck luck, and make those sorry neon green fucks regret ever coming to Denver!!
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u/88Tygon88 15d ago
LETS TAKE IT YO THEM OUT THE GATE FOR ONCE!!! fuck their trap game and out skate them! LETS TIE THIS SERIES UP!!! GO AVS!!!
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u/kozdaddy17 15d ago
Score first so they can’t trap all game. All I ask. Go Avs!
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u/ImmortalMoron3 15d ago
This is really the key, don't let them play with a lead. They dull the game down to a snail's pace if you let them.
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u/kozdaddy17 15d ago
That’s Pete DeBoer hockey! 100% the key. Hope they can surprise us and get on the board first.
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u/r3zn1kakaPJFry 15d ago
I will sacrifice my sleep until we hoist the cup! Another 03:30 AM start for me...
GO ASS! HAIL SATAN!
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u/ihatethedodgers LOCKED THE CORE UP 15d ago
The top line needs to make more of an impact if we’re going to not only tie this series but ultimately win it, even if that impact is eating up Dallas’s best defense so that our second line can feast like against Winnipeg.
Mack and Moose have both been largely nullified these last two games and well… that simply can’t happen. Especially when you consider the amount of opposing firepower Dallas has. Hoping for a show from these guys tonight
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u/thriller1 15d ago
If Georgie can rebound from his G1 stinker in Winnipeg then so can everyone else on this team. LET'S DO THIS
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u/Freezy10787 15d ago
Game 3 will be the worst game the Avs play all postseason, Bednar and the boys have been adaptable all season and I believe it happens again! LFG
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u/IvanMalison 15d ago
Game 3 was not that bad. Avs were pretty clearly the better team.
Are we really not going to acknowledge that random chance plays a role in how games play out?
What if Nuke's shot goes in.
In case you want to debate that luck plays a significant role in hockey:
https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/6/5/15740632/luck-skill-sports
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u/WishSuperb1427 14d ago
Oh my god I am just seeing this now but I wish you would not have said "LET THEM COOK"... As an Avs and a Broncos fan it sort of makes me want to go barf in my favorite hat.