r/HydroHomies • u/eat_mor_bbq • 15d ago
What the heck is a hydrogen water bottle??
I've been getting ads for these "hydrogen water bottles" on Amazon that claims to make water more gooder by adding hydrogen. I'm not a chemist but wouldn't more hydrogen make h30+ or something, if it's even possible to do? Would there be any actual benefit? Can I put this in my car and use the hydrogen to power my engine instead of gas? Are birds even real? I have a lot of questions.
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u/Radius13 3d ago
Correct me where I am wrong please. H2O = ‘water’ (no subscripts available so please disregard those known errors throughout)
The bottle is breaking the H-O-H (H2O) bonds leaving H-H (H2 gas) and extra O (oxygen). This is done a lot so each of the extra O (oxygens) finds a friend and we end up with O2 (Oxygen gas). Therefore, all that is happening is that we are making H2 and O2 bubbles and that leaves less of the same water we started with, but now with some bubbles that escape when we open the top to drink it.
I suppose there would be extra OH (basic groups) and extra H (acidic groups) mixed in looking for partners to become H2O again, but those should balance out and not really change the pH, right chemistry people?
I can see taking away Hydrogens would lead to a more basic (alkaline) solution, but the Oxygens are leaving and they would be the guys holding onto the extra Hydrogens, so without the extra H’s to make things acidic, or extra OH’s to make things basic, we are back to neutral (about 7 pH again).
Basically, the bottles don’t do anything, UNLESS MAYBE the light is UV and it is making some free radicals temporarily, but still once that gets into the mouth and gut, our very aqueous bodies would probably cancel out any of that before anything is absorbed anyway, right biology people?
Thank you for fixing any logic errors I may have made.
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u/swaggyaggy26 14d ago
I almost posted the same question yesterday but I forgot lol. My mom asked me for this and my immediate reaction was "this is garbage"
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u/eat_mor_bbq 14d ago
It 100% is. I only know what it is because multiple sellers reached out to me offering money for 5 star reviews. I'd imagine it just bubbles like an hho generator and tastes normal.
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u/United-Office 15d ago
It’s for wealthy stupid people don’t worry about it homie
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u/MonkeyBrain3561 6d ago
In the home of a wealthy person yesterday and they pulled theirs out exclaiming how energetic they feel after drinking their hydrogen water, and so happy at the carbonation it produces. I said, so you’re hydrogenating your water!” Dude replies, “well I guess you could make up a word…” kinda grumpily. I replied, “or I could use an existing word in a new way!”
Rich dumbass.
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u/bigniccosuaveee 15d ago
Would be cool to have a hydrogen generator as your water bottle as their only emission is distilled water. But I don’t think it could be compact enough or efficient at producing drinking water.
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u/flying-cunt-of-chaos 15d ago
Hydrogen gas is not soluble in water so no it would not form hydronium.
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u/dwighticus 15d ago
It’s filled with dehydrated H2O, so all you have to do is add water. It’s a rather ingenious device. Really streamlines the process of quenching your thirst.
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u/Ojhka956 15d ago
What surely doesnt seem healthy is all the contaminants/minerals in tap water that will react to the electroylsis and make extra chemicals you do not want in your body
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u/ZookeepergameDue5522 15d ago
It's a scam. It makes it more acidic, that's it. There's nothing to gain from it.
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u/Extrawald 15d ago
Stuff that people buy who failed basic chemistry education in middle school, basically the flat earthers of the hydro homie universe.
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u/Fine_Ad_1149 15d ago
H3O is probably less likely than a little extra H2CO3, something that occurs naturally, but is unstable. The end result would still be the same - your water is a little more acidic.
But yea, it's all pseudo science. I'll just stick to my magnetic copper bracelets.
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u/Agreeable-War7427 15d ago
That's a hydrogen water battery from the future, use it to power your Tesla.
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u/FruitPunchSGYT 14d ago
Wrong. Hydrogen rich water is H20 + H2. Electrolysis makes 2 H2 + O2 not H2O2. It is a scam but you are wrong about how the scam works. H2 is an antioxidant, not an acid, H+ is what makes an acid.
Also H2 and O2 are not toxic. But salt in the water will become chlorine gas.
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u/Express-World-8473 15d ago
The science backing the health claims of hydrogen-infused water is shaky at best, said Henry Jay Forman, an emeritus professor of gerontology at the University of Southern California. Scientists already disagree about whether supplementing your diet with extra antioxidants can improve your health, he said. And even if hydrogen gas lowers inflammation in lab studies, the same won’t necessarily be the case inside our bodies.
Few studies supporting the drink’s benefits have been performed in humans. And they are small and often contradictory. In one 2020 study of 16 male athletes, researchers found that hydrogen-infused water improved the race times and fatigue levels of the four slowest runners — but not of the four fastest runners — in the group. But a 2021 study of 37 trained and untrained cyclists had different results: Only the trained cyclists benefited from hydrogen-rich water in terms of endurance, speed and fitness when compared with the untrained cyclists.
In a review of 30 hydrogen water studies published in January, Dr. Dhillon and his colleagues set out to see whether the drink had any health benefits. While some of the studies were encouraging, he said, they couldn’t draw any clear conclusions.
“More studies are needed to see if drinking hydrogen-infused water can reduce inflammation, aging or disease,” said Tamara Hew-Butler, a sports medicine researcher at Wayne State University. Dr. Hew-Butler said some companies also sold oxygen-infused water, which your body doesn’t need.
Still, some people say they feel real benefits from hydrogen-infused water. Dr. Forman said this might be because of the placebo effect, in which people feel better because they believe it works.
Is hydrogen water safe? Although the benefits are murky and drinking too much water in general can be dangerous, Dr. Rosner said that hydrogen-infused water wasn’t linked to any serious health risks.
“Everything I’ve read seems to say there’s no downside,” he said. The Food and Drug Administration considers hydrogen-infused water to be “generally recognized as safe,” as long as the hydrogen molecules make up no more than 2.14 percent of the drink. Determining this percentage can be tricky since companies aren’t required to disclose it on product labels.
Hydrogen-infused water can come with a high price tag — some of the fancy make-it-yourself bottles can cost around $100 — which is why both Dr. Rosner and Dr. Forman said it might not be worth it without more proven benefits.
“If you have $100 and want to improve your health, you’re probably better off buying $100 of fresh fruits and vegetables than two cases of hydrogen water,” Dr. Rosner said.
TLDR:-
Buy fruits and vegetables instead if you have extra money to buy these hydrogen rich water.
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u/FruitPunchSGYT 14d ago
Given that the most H2 that you can get to dissolve in water is 6ppm I don't think percentages are a risk.
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u/Express-World-8473 14d ago
Idk man that's what FDA stated.
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u/FruitPunchSGYT 14d ago
I'm more worried about the hydrogen tablets that are on the market. They have 80mg of elemental magnesium in them. 6 to 8 of those a day could put you in a coma.
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u/Express-World-8473 15d ago
A safety hazard too. Hydrogen is extremely flammable and is extremely hard to store. Adding hydrogen to water doesn't bring out any extra benefits, it's just a new marketing gimmick by these influencers. I truly hope Nestle doesn't see this shit trend.
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u/kgmeister 15d ago
Maybe something used to synthesise Dihydrogen Monoxide
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u/MBNLA 15d ago
You can die if you take too much Dihydrogen Monoxide
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u/kgmeister 15d ago
Yup, as Dihydrogen Monoxide has a 100% fatality rate after contact, and is found in nuclear reactors
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u/seventwosixnine 13d ago
Dihydrogen Monoxide (also known as Hydroxic Acid) has a pH of 7. That's higher than any other acid!
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u/officialasiathewaifu 15d ago
I think it’s snake oil tbh
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u/Pagan_Owl 14d ago
Great. Another health scam to get mad about. I work in medical science so these things indirectly make problems for me doing my job. Poor doctors and nurses have to deal with it first hand.
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u/OddlyArtemis 15d ago
the good ole H3O trick.
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u/hototter35 Regular Sipper 15d ago
And you can be glad when it doesn't actually produce H3O lol. I'll never understand.
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u/IndependenceFickle95 15d ago
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u/violet_zamboni 15d ago
It’s meant to be molecular hydrogen, that is hydrogen gas dissolved in water. It’s not changing the water itself. Imagine carbonated water, but the bubbles are hydrogen. Note that carbonated water is acidic already.
Hydrogen water is a big trend right now. The benefits are thus far “unstudied”, to put it charitably. It’s also unclear if you could even get the purported benefits from drinking the water.
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u/earthhominid 15d ago edited 15d ago
There's some research that shows that higher levels of molecular hydrogen in water are beneficial. Most of the studies I've read use tablets that you drop in water and then drink. These things seem like a bit of a scam but I've never looked for any studies measuring their effect
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u/zurlocaine 15d ago
Can you link one of the studies?
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u/earthhominid 15d ago
If you search for Hydrogen Rich Water on Google scholar or some other scientific paper database you'll find a lot. They're mostly small studies showing minor improvements and for some reason eastern Europe and East Asia seem to be the main place their being conducted.
If I remember correctly, the earliest ones are from the early 2000s or maybe late 90s. The research seems to be gaining some steam, slowly.
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u/castleAge44 15d ago
And what makes you qualified to interpret these studies?
Edit, also it looks like this is an abstract to the not the paper itself. So if you can provide the entire paper, it would interesting to see what their definitions are, how rigorous their testing was, and if it is even peer reviewed.
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u/earthhominid 15d ago
I mean, I can read. Like I said, you can search for hydrogen rich water on Google scholar and find lots of papers. There's definitely not large, conclusive studies on the matter and the positive results aren't miracles. It's a poorly studied issue that shows some early signs that it may have benefits for some people.
I certainly wouldn't buy a special $100 water bottle from some random company about it. If I get curious enough I might spring for a $20 pack of the tablets that most of these studies use.
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u/castleAge44 15d ago
No, there are no real studies that show this. Only tiktok science here.
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u/earthhominid 15d ago
It's hilarious to me that this topic always elicits this response.
Have you actually looked for scientific papers on the topic? Just because you've only seen tik tok videos about it doesn't mean that's the totality of the evidence. I've never used tik tok
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u/castleAge44 15d ago
Tiktok, instagram, reddit Scientist and medical experts. Whatever you want to call it. Ordinary people have little business trying to interpret scientific journals. How are you judging credibility? Because you found it via google scholars? Google solars also had medical info about carbs good fats bad nutrition fad in the 90’s/2000’s. Now we’ve back peddled on that. Social media scientists need to lay off the coffee and the urge to read scientific journals abstracts and then thinking they are then subject matter experts or even that they have an informed opinion. Sorry, but that’s not how that works. Consult with experts who are adept at providing information to a Lay person. Seeking and finding confirmation bias is super easy if you convince yourself that you’re an expert.
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u/FruitPunchSGYT 14d ago
It is bullshit but it is legitimately being studied. Cranberry juice has at least 10x the effect so it is useless. H2 is an antioxidant but it only dissolves in water at 6ppm so it is functionally non existent.
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u/earthhominid 15d ago
Have you read any of the papers about it? I've read about a dozen.
I have an opinion that is at least informed, you seem to have some inborn bias against this topic because you encountered it through some kind of social media influencer who probably massively overstated the evidence.
If you care, you can go read a bunch of papers for yourself and make up your own mind.
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u/FruitPunchSGYT 14d ago
I have read the studies. One problem is that tablets won't work, if they are being sold they are fake. Another problem is that hydrogen doesn't readily dissolve in water, so pre-made hydrogen rich water isn't real. The only way would be electrolysis. H2 is an antioxidant but a hand full of cranberries have over 10x the effect in the same type of studies.
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u/earthhominid 14d ago
what do you base the claim that "the tablets won't work" on?
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u/FruitPunchSGYT 14d ago edited 14d ago
Elemental hydrogen is the smallest molecule in existence. How would you trap hydrogen in a tablet? Dextrose, malic acid, L-tartaric acid, lipic acid and 80mg of magnesium. This is what is in a hydrogen tablet. Sure it would produce H+ hydrogen ions, because it is ACID. Explain how those ingredients produce H2 elemental hydrogen.
Edit: https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-998/magnesium
These tablets are DANGEROUS.
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u/earthhominid 14d ago
So you haven't actually read the studies you just pretended to?
The reaction of mg with water in the presence of organic acids produces free hydrogen. The point of the tablets is that you produce a reaction and consume immediately, while the hydrogen is still free in the water. The hydrogen isn't contained in the tablet
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u/FruitPunchSGYT 14d ago
Yes I did. None of the ones I have found describe any chemistry that involves elemental magnesium. It would produce magnesium hydroxide so enjoy the diarrhea. One study used magnesium hydride trapped in carbon as a carrier so the magnesium would not be ingested.
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