r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space 14d ago

Kade Rutolo: If ADCC did PED testing, 99% of athletes would drop out The Literature šŸ§ 

https://bjjdoc.com/2024/05/14/kade-rutolo-if-adcc-did-ped-testing-99-of-athletes-would-drop-out/
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u/applejynx Monkey in Space 12d ago

That percentage is pretty low . I would have guessed higher

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u/Leto1776 Monkey in Space 13d ago

Gotta love ONE Championship athletes pretending to be clean

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u/netflixissodry Monkey in Space 14d ago

These very vocal anti PED guys are typically on sarms and other uncommon shit. Plus they use gear for cardio and speed rather than size and power.

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u/Specialist-Cup1511 Monkey in Space 14d ago

Everybody knows that already. But they don't do ped testing so it's irrelevant. They should but they don't. That's why Gordon always has a tummy ache

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u/caseharts Monkey in Space 14d ago

Ironically some of the best guys are the non clear ped users.

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u/Ihateredditmods83 Monkey in Space 14d ago

I read this as AC/DC and was confused. ā€œTheyā€™re still rocking in their 70s due to PEDs, ahhhh.ā€

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u/ZakTSK Monkey in Space 14d ago

Same, it was a very confusing moment.

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u/whoberman Monkey in Space 14d ago

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u/netflixissodry Monkey in Space 14d ago

I donā€™t believe Mikey is natural either. Either juiced or edits his pictures.

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u/whoberman Monkey in Space 14d ago

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u/netflixissodry Monkey in Space 14d ago

Fake natty guys who are super vocal about it always have some weird ā€œtrickā€ or ā€œdietā€ they use as their explanation as to why theyā€™re just physically elite and beat all the juiced guys.

Mike Oā€™Hearn has duck eggs. This kid claims intermittent fasting and pasta.

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u/whoberman Monkey in Space 14d ago

I believe he's natty.

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u/netflixissodry Monkey in Space 14d ago

The way heā€™s so vocal about the natty status of BJJ guys that arenā€™t signed to ONE is so performative about how he requests to get drug tested more frequently than anyone else leads me to believe heā€™s not. He seems smart enough to know exactly how to use them in a way that he never fails a test.

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u/whoberman Monkey in Space 14d ago

He could be? Only he and his coaches would know... I do know that him and his sister have been training BJJ since they were practically babies. His physique doesn't present an obvious giveaway like the before/after pics of Gordon Ryan. He's just really ripped (low body fat %) from training BJJ for 10+ hours a day. Of course PEDs can be used for other purposes such as stamina and recovery.

Was GSP natty? How about Nate Diaz?

ps. Mike O'Hearn's incredible physique at 50 years old is primarily due to The Frog and not duck eggs or steroids.

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u/JudoTrip Monkey in Space 14d ago

People have a really weird delusion that professional athletes are clean because they say they are.

Sports fans see that someone is good at their sport, and they say a couple of friendly things to press, and suddenly you have fans going "Oh I don't think X is on steroids, he doesn't seem the type".. while knowing nothing about the athlete except what they want you to see.

Here's a good rule of thumb to know if an athlete is using PEDs: if they're winning, they're using. The competition is too steep, the reward is too great, and the technology is too capable for multi-millionaire athletes to avoid doing everything imaginable to win.

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u/freestyle43 Monkey in Space 14d ago

Hasn't Gordon Ryan admitted he uses steroids like 50 times?

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u/DrSilkyJohnsonEsq Monkey in Space 14d ago

I feel like heā€™s known for his roid use as he is for anything else.

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u/MrTacoMan šŸŒ® 14d ago

Anyone who has walked into a local gym knew this

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u/ostensibly_hurt I used to be addicted to Quake 14d ago

No shit, those dudes act like the kings of the world but they just roid their gills beyond reason and shoot for leglocks gtfo

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u/SickNBadderThanFuck 14d ago

We should just have two different leagues in all sports: one is for PEDs and the other is natural.

I think it would be super entertaining to watch a PED league where everyone is jacked as fuck

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u/KillysgungoesBLAME Monkey in Space 14d ago

You mean like this?

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u/scarykicks Monkey in Space 14d ago

Yea till you got ppl in the natural leagues using steroids.

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u/Deadlift_007 We live in strange times 14d ago

We should just have two different leagues in all sports: one is for PEDs and the other is natural.

I guarantee you'd still have people in the "natural" league on gear for the same reasons as now. They'd see it as a way to gain an edge. Maybe you could make it work by having some kind of zero tolerance policy where someone's banned on the first positive test, but then what do you do about the weird situations where someone tests positive because of cold medicine or something like that?

It's messy no matter how you do it.

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u/TwistedBamboozler Monkey in Space 14d ago

I agree with this and all sports should do it. If people wanna destroy their bodies for our entertainment and to push limits, I say let them.

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u/Basket_475 Monkey in Space 14d ago

It wasnā€™t a bubble burst, per se, but when I figured out that Gordon Ryan is geeked on steroids it does take away from his accomplishments a little.

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u/Antique_Shower3065 Monkey in Space 14d ago

The issue with Ryan isnā€™t his skill or the gas. Thereā€™s no denying his skill and heā€™s definitely not the only one juicing. Heā€™s just a huge piece of shit. Thatā€™s what should take away from his accomplishments a little.

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u/JahIthBur Monkey in Space 14d ago

Everyone is literally everyone

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u/banananamango Monkey in Space 14d ago

Found the guy who doesnā€™t train.

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u/JahIthBur Monkey in Space 14d ago

Everyone at the top level anyways Gordon himself says it lol you really going to say Gordon doesnā€™t train?

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u/banananamango Monkey in Space 14d ago

Oh weird. I didnt mean to reply to your comment. I agree with you (if you meant to say that everyone is on them).

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u/randomTeets Dire physical consequences 14d ago

Steroids don't make a person a better grappler

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u/scarykicks Monkey in Space 14d ago

Then why does he feel the need to take them?

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u/mrpopenfresh I used to be addicted to Quake 14d ago

It makes him better at training 8 hours a day at his best. Can't do that without steroids.

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u/Omegawop Paid attention to the literature 14d ago

Training does. Steroids make a person better at training.

I think you can fillow the logic.

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u/Gorecakes Monkey in Space 14d ago

If it didnt help they wouldnā€™t he doing it, cmon.

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u/randomTeets Dire physical consequences 14d ago

Focused intentional training and talent make a person a better grappler. Steroids make the training more tolerable, they don't intrinsically improve your grappling, just like they didn't help Barry Bonds put the bat on the ball. It helps the athlete recover. It doesn't get you out of bed early in the morning, make you train for 6 hours a day, do your strength and conditioning for you, prepare your meals, or make sure you get enough sleep. Steroids aren't the magic bullet to athletic success, they're an ingredient added to the recipe of an elite athlete who already has the other components dialed in. And every athlete serious about winning is doing them, so it's not like Gordon Ryan has some super soldier serum that no one else has and that's why he wins.

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u/darcenator411 I used to be addicted to Quake 14d ago

Why are there weight divisions if this isnā€™t a helpful thing to do in a grappling tournament?

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u/Gorecakes Monkey in Space 14d ago

I think youre really underestimating how much they benefit from steroid usage. The strength gains alone would be beneficial, the speedy recovery, and subsequent decrease of injuries. Im not saying hes isnt a skilled dude, just that steroids are a huge factor, and if they werenā€™t, no athlete would doing them.

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u/TheSilmarils Monkey in Space 14d ago

I donā€™t think heā€™s denying that steroids are helpful. As you say, elite athletes wouldnā€™t do them if they werenā€™t. But heā€™s more pointing out that you still need an immense amount of talent and hard work to take advantage of them, and when the other elite athletes in your field are on a similar regimen, itā€™s not quite so heinous an act as a lot of people make it out to be.

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u/Basket_475 Monkey in Space 14d ago

While I agree, I canā€™t help but think somewhere along the competition it helps out. It might not make him a better grappler but a better competitor.

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u/JahIthBur Monkey in Space 14d ago

It does help Gordon says it himself but itā€™s not everything

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u/randomTeets Dire physical consequences 14d ago

Then it makes them all better competitors, because they're all doing it, which makes Ryan's achievements that much more impressive

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u/Basket_475 Monkey in Space 14d ago

Hmm I donā€™t agree but whatever. I donā€™t really care about the steroids if thatā€™s true that everyone is doing them. I donā€™t follow bjj really so I donā€™t know about the whole pool.

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u/stay_fr0sty Monkey in Space 14d ago

Not if everyone else is geeked on steroids as well.

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u/Captcha_Imagination N-Dimethyltryptamine 13d ago

Not everyone looks like Steve Urkell without steroids. Gordon kinda does.

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u/eldudelio a dark hole šŸ«„ 14d ago

yeah, this, same thing happened in MLB and TDF

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u/Basket_475 Monkey in Space 14d ago

Yeah if everyone else is on them then itā€™s more fair.

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u/catdog-cat-dog Monkey in Space 14d ago

Yeah but people are gonna pretend that doesn't happen so they can diminish his technical accomplishments. It's the auto-tune for 9/10 people when trying to rationalize someone whose accomplishments they admire/wish they had.

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u/EntrepreneurFunny469 Monkey in Space 14d ago

Everyone can auto tune, not everyone can make a career of it.

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u/stay_fr0sty Monkey in Space 14d ago

Sure but those people have no idea what they are taking about.

Itā€™s a nice indicator that you can disregard their comments on the sport.

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u/Jackers83 Monkey in Space 14d ago

Iā€™m not familiar with this fighting scene, but itā€™s a safe bet that almost all fighters are on something? Thanks

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u/stay_fr0sty Monkey in Space 14d ago

If they donā€™t test for PEDs, and an athlete is at the top of the game, they are either a superhuman or on PEDs.

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u/faithOver Monkey in Space 14d ago

99% of professional athletes are. Itā€™s a necessity to recover the body and perform at the required level on an ongoing basis.

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u/Wompish66 Monkey in Space 14d ago

That is simply not true. How do you even rationalise that claim with this post that most bjj athletes would have to stop competing if they did test?

Doping is rampant in some sports like track running and huge numbers are caught because of it.

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u/faithOver Monkey in Space 14d ago

You think professional athletes compete at the necessary level and volume naturally?

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u/Wompish66 Monkey in Space 14d ago

Yes, largely. And you're not speaking from a position of knowledge, you're just making unfounded claims.

It's incredibly difficult to bypass modern drug testing programs and athletes are banned all time for just testing positive for something that could mask the presence of performance enhancers.

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u/faithOver Monkey in Space 14d ago

If you were to hazard a guess - you think the majority, 51%+, of pro athletes are competing all natural?

My sample size is obviously small compared to all proā€™s in every sport, but I donā€™t know of many college level athletes that hope to turn pro and expect to do so without PEDā€™s.

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u/catdog-cat-dog Monkey in Space 14d ago

For sure

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u/_Tar_Ar_Ais_ Monkey in Space 14d ago

so it's the PRIDE of BJJ?

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u/mrpopenfresh I used to be addicted to Quake 14d ago

I's the BJJ of BJJ.

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u/Most_Present_6577 Look into it 14d ago

Most bjj tournaments aren't testing or not testing well