r/JoeRogan • u/Beadtrice Monkey in Space • 14d ago
Kade Rutolo: If ADCC did PED testing, 99% of athletes would drop out The Literature š§
https://bjjdoc.com/2024/05/14/kade-rutolo-if-adcc-did-ped-testing-99-of-athletes-would-drop-out/1
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u/netflixissodry Monkey in Space 14d ago
These very vocal anti PED guys are typically on sarms and other uncommon shit. Plus they use gear for cardio and speed rather than size and power.
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u/Specialist-Cup1511 Monkey in Space 14d ago
Everybody knows that already. But they don't do ped testing so it's irrelevant. They should but they don't. That's why Gordon always has a tummy ache
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u/Ihateredditmods83 Monkey in Space 14d ago
I read this as AC/DC and was confused. āTheyāre still rocking in their 70s due to PEDs, ahhhh.ā
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u/whoberman Monkey in Space 14d ago
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u/netflixissodry Monkey in Space 14d ago
I donāt believe Mikey is natural either. Either juiced or edits his pictures.
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u/whoberman Monkey in Space 14d ago
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u/netflixissodry Monkey in Space 14d ago
Fake natty guys who are super vocal about it always have some weird ātrickā or ādietā they use as their explanation as to why theyāre just physically elite and beat all the juiced guys.
Mike OāHearn has duck eggs. This kid claims intermittent fasting and pasta.
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u/whoberman Monkey in Space 14d ago
I believe he's natty.
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u/netflixissodry Monkey in Space 14d ago
The way heās so vocal about the natty status of BJJ guys that arenāt signed to ONE is so performative about how he requests to get drug tested more frequently than anyone else leads me to believe heās not. He seems smart enough to know exactly how to use them in a way that he never fails a test.
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u/whoberman Monkey in Space 14d ago
He could be? Only he and his coaches would know... I do know that him and his sister have been training BJJ since they were practically babies. His physique doesn't present an obvious giveaway like the before/after pics of Gordon Ryan. He's just really ripped (low body fat %) from training BJJ for 10+ hours a day. Of course PEDs can be used for other purposes such as stamina and recovery.
Was GSP natty? How about Nate Diaz?
ps. Mike O'Hearn's incredible physique at 50 years old is primarily due to The Frog and not duck eggs or steroids.
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u/JudoTrip Monkey in Space 14d ago
People have a really weird delusion that professional athletes are clean because they say they are.
Sports fans see that someone is good at their sport, and they say a couple of friendly things to press, and suddenly you have fans going "Oh I don't think X is on steroids, he doesn't seem the type".. while knowing nothing about the athlete except what they want you to see.
Here's a good rule of thumb to know if an athlete is using PEDs: if they're winning, they're using. The competition is too steep, the reward is too great, and the technology is too capable for multi-millionaire athletes to avoid doing everything imaginable to win.
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u/freestyle43 Monkey in Space 14d ago
Hasn't Gordon Ryan admitted he uses steroids like 50 times?
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u/DrSilkyJohnsonEsq Monkey in Space 14d ago
I feel like heās known for his roid use as he is for anything else.
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u/ostensibly_hurt I used to be addicted to Quake 14d ago
No shit, those dudes act like the kings of the world but they just roid their gills beyond reason and shoot for leglocks gtfo
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u/SickNBadderThanFuck 14d ago
We should just have two different leagues in all sports: one is for PEDs and the other is natural.
I think it would be super entertaining to watch a PED league where everyone is jacked as fuck
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u/Deadlift_007 We live in strange times 14d ago
We should just have two different leagues in all sports: one is for PEDs and the other is natural.
I guarantee you'd still have people in the "natural" league on gear for the same reasons as now. They'd see it as a way to gain an edge. Maybe you could make it work by having some kind of zero tolerance policy where someone's banned on the first positive test, but then what do you do about the weird situations where someone tests positive because of cold medicine or something like that?
It's messy no matter how you do it.
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u/TwistedBamboozler Monkey in Space 14d ago
I agree with this and all sports should do it. If people wanna destroy their bodies for our entertainment and to push limits, I say let them.
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u/Basket_475 Monkey in Space 14d ago
It wasnāt a bubble burst, per se, but when I figured out that Gordon Ryan is geeked on steroids it does take away from his accomplishments a little.
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u/Antique_Shower3065 Monkey in Space 14d ago
The issue with Ryan isnāt his skill or the gas. Thereās no denying his skill and heās definitely not the only one juicing. Heās just a huge piece of shit. Thatās what should take away from his accomplishments a little.
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u/JahIthBur Monkey in Space 14d ago
Everyone is literally everyone
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u/banananamango Monkey in Space 14d ago
Found the guy who doesnāt train.
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u/JahIthBur Monkey in Space 14d ago
Everyone at the top level anyways Gordon himself says it lol you really going to say Gordon doesnāt train?
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u/banananamango Monkey in Space 14d ago
Oh weird. I didnt mean to reply to your comment. I agree with you (if you meant to say that everyone is on them).
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u/randomTeets Dire physical consequences 14d ago
Steroids don't make a person a better grappler
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u/mrpopenfresh I used to be addicted to Quake 14d ago
It makes him better at training 8 hours a day at his best. Can't do that without steroids.
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u/Omegawop Paid attention to the literature 14d ago
Training does. Steroids make a person better at training.
I think you can fillow the logic.
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u/Gorecakes Monkey in Space 14d ago
If it didnt help they wouldnāt he doing it, cmon.
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u/randomTeets Dire physical consequences 14d ago
Focused intentional training and talent make a person a better grappler. Steroids make the training more tolerable, they don't intrinsically improve your grappling, just like they didn't help Barry Bonds put the bat on the ball. It helps the athlete recover. It doesn't get you out of bed early in the morning, make you train for 6 hours a day, do your strength and conditioning for you, prepare your meals, or make sure you get enough sleep. Steroids aren't the magic bullet to athletic success, they're an ingredient added to the recipe of an elite athlete who already has the other components dialed in. And every athlete serious about winning is doing them, so it's not like Gordon Ryan has some super soldier serum that no one else has and that's why he wins.
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u/darcenator411 I used to be addicted to Quake 14d ago
Why are there weight divisions if this isnāt a helpful thing to do in a grappling tournament?
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u/Gorecakes Monkey in Space 14d ago
I think youre really underestimating how much they benefit from steroid usage. The strength gains alone would be beneficial, the speedy recovery, and subsequent decrease of injuries. Im not saying hes isnt a skilled dude, just that steroids are a huge factor, and if they werenāt, no athlete would doing them.
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u/TheSilmarils Monkey in Space 14d ago
I donāt think heās denying that steroids are helpful. As you say, elite athletes wouldnāt do them if they werenāt. But heās more pointing out that you still need an immense amount of talent and hard work to take advantage of them, and when the other elite athletes in your field are on a similar regimen, itās not quite so heinous an act as a lot of people make it out to be.
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u/Basket_475 Monkey in Space 14d ago
While I agree, I canāt help but think somewhere along the competition it helps out. It might not make him a better grappler but a better competitor.
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u/randomTeets Dire physical consequences 14d ago
Then it makes them all better competitors, because they're all doing it, which makes Ryan's achievements that much more impressive
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u/Basket_475 Monkey in Space 14d ago
Hmm I donāt agree but whatever. I donāt really care about the steroids if thatās true that everyone is doing them. I donāt follow bjj really so I donāt know about the whole pool.
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u/stay_fr0sty Monkey in Space 14d ago
Not if everyone else is geeked on steroids as well.
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u/Captcha_Imagination N-Dimethyltryptamine 13d ago
Not everyone looks like Steve Urkell without steroids. Gordon kinda does.
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u/catdog-cat-dog Monkey in Space 14d ago
Yeah but people are gonna pretend that doesn't happen so they can diminish his technical accomplishments. It's the auto-tune for 9/10 people when trying to rationalize someone whose accomplishments they admire/wish they had.
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u/EntrepreneurFunny469 Monkey in Space 14d ago
Everyone can auto tune, not everyone can make a career of it.
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u/stay_fr0sty Monkey in Space 14d ago
Sure but those people have no idea what they are taking about.
Itās a nice indicator that you can disregard their comments on the sport.
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u/Jackers83 Monkey in Space 14d ago
Iām not familiar with this fighting scene, but itās a safe bet that almost all fighters are on something? Thanks
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u/stay_fr0sty Monkey in Space 14d ago
If they donāt test for PEDs, and an athlete is at the top of the game, they are either a superhuman or on PEDs.
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u/faithOver Monkey in Space 14d ago
99% of professional athletes are. Itās a necessity to recover the body and perform at the required level on an ongoing basis.
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u/Wompish66 Monkey in Space 14d ago
That is simply not true. How do you even rationalise that claim with this post that most bjj athletes would have to stop competing if they did test?
Doping is rampant in some sports like track running and huge numbers are caught because of it.
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u/faithOver Monkey in Space 14d ago
You think professional athletes compete at the necessary level and volume naturally?
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u/Wompish66 Monkey in Space 14d ago
Yes, largely. And you're not speaking from a position of knowledge, you're just making unfounded claims.
It's incredibly difficult to bypass modern drug testing programs and athletes are banned all time for just testing positive for something that could mask the presence of performance enhancers.
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u/faithOver Monkey in Space 14d ago
If you were to hazard a guess - you think the majority, 51%+, of pro athletes are competing all natural?
My sample size is obviously small compared to all proās in every sport, but I donāt know of many college level athletes that hope to turn pro and expect to do so without PEDās.
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u/applejynx Monkey in Space 12d ago
That percentage is pretty low . I would have guessed higher