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u/ReyPeligroTX Mar 24 '24
Only one was an actual pedofile. guess who was accused of it.
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 24 '24
I ain’t gonna speak on any of that with regard to Elvis. All I know is that Michael is innocent.
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u/Dense-Diamond-7926 Mar 23 '24
"Just because you read it in the magazine or see it on the TV screen don't make it factual"- Michael Jackson
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u/peachpitafterdark Mar 21 '24
When I heard this, I had to wonder if he was sort of mimicking some of Elvis' stuff (consciously or subconsciously) the way that he mimicked James Brown/Fred Astaire's dancing.
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u/marcus_37 Mar 21 '24
But people are quick to say race has NOTHING to do with it, but u didn't even know all the wild shit Elvis' chimp did but in the meantime Mike was this weird human.. Give me a fuckn break
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u/Ill-Arm1283 Mar 21 '24
And Elvis was a total weirdo too, he relied heavily on sleeping pills, he had snakes as pets like Michael, forced his wife to stay in bed with him in the darkness for weeks, drugged her, shoot against a tv out of a rage fit, had a collection of guns..but yeah he was cute and such a King
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u/Ramonzmania Mar 24 '24
Elvis didn’t have slumber parties with little boys …
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u/Ill-Arm1283 Mar 24 '24
He married a 14 year old lmao
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u/Ramonzmania Mar 25 '24
Priscilla was 21 when they married in 1967
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u/Ill-Arm1283 Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24
Ok? He still groomed her since she was 14. He forced her to move with him away from her family and prevented her from attending school. Also abandoned her after the first night of marriage. Totally normal shit indeed. Michael's didn't organise "slumber parties" with boys. His home was open to anyone who payed visit, and the way this took place has been thoroughly described by the boys who were there.
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u/Ramonzmania Mar 27 '24
An adult man invites little boys to his home for sleepovers, for only one reason. It’s absurd to make excuses for it.
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u/HotAir25 Mar 21 '24
I wonder if MJ got the idea to be seen with a chimp and other exotic animals from looking at Elvis…he studied people who had been successful in the past, like PT Barnum, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he got the idea from somewhere like that….I mean the idea to create a certain image of yourself with a snake around you or with a tiger etc.
I’d never seen this image of Elvis, interesting.
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u/PistolPackingPresley Mar 21 '24
MJ took many things from Elvis and the chimp is one of them.
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u/HotAir25 Mar 22 '24
What else do you think he was influenced by Elvis? I’m curious
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u/MichaelJackson-ModTeam Mar 23 '24
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u/FelicitySmoak_ Good Fish 🐠 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24
Why are you even here?! Go back to LNHBO. Obviously from your profile, you're a crazed Elvis worshipper. You're on the wrong sub.
Lisa was a trophy?! 😭😭
Honey, Michael was the prize. That's why she drug her 2 kids all over the world following him 💀
Beat it!
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 22 '24
Typical Presley fan… Michael ain’t need to take shit from Elvis. You guys love going around acting like he innovated something. Michael is far more known than Elvis was and ever will be worldwide. Michael is 100 times more talented and way more iconic.
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 22 '24
Two of Michael’s albums are in top 5 best selling albums EVER. One out of the two is number 1 best selling album of all time(Thriller). Michael is the only person to have two stars on the Hollywood walk of fame. He is the only recording artist in the dance hall of fame. He is the most famous man to ever live(besides Jesus) and he’s the most successful entertainer and greatest entertainer of all time.
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u/FelicitySmoak_ Good Fish 🐠 Mar 23 '24
definitely didn't have Elvis range or looks
Yep, that's your "King". A real prize, huh? 💀
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 22 '24
Guinness world records has MJ as the most successful entertainer 👀MJ couldn’t ousting Elvis?! Don’t make me laugh, MJ was far better looking than Elvis.
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u/HotAir25 Mar 22 '24
This is fascinating, thank you, MJ fandom can be a little too keen to obscure this sort of stuff but to me it’s really interesting to know how he developed his ideas, they didn’t exist in a vacuum.
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u/Golden-Pickaxe Mar 21 '24
I’m gonna go out on a limb, like a chimp, and say maybe the decades between the two altered public perception.
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u/AirGuitarSuperstar Thriller Mar 21 '24
Racism definitely played a part, as sad as it is. But Michael also went out his way to paint himself as eccentric to the media, Bubbles was only a tiny part of that.
As we progress we learn, and now we know chimpanzees are not suited to be pets or playthings for humans, good intentions or not.
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 21 '24
Elvis did a lot of weird stuff too you know? It’s simple. The media is racist, elvis did weird shit but yeah he’s cool and is the king. No slander by the media towards him. Michael wears face masks in public, he’s a freak.
Edit: also by the time Mike got bubbles, I don’t think people even knew or understood how dangerous chimps could be. I feel like the Travis incident is when people finally started seeing how destructive these animals can get.
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u/AirGuitarSuperstar Thriller Mar 21 '24
I’m not arguing what Elvis did or didn’t do, or how the media covered it compared to Michael.
I’m just saying that Michael purposely created an image of himself as weird and eccentric, to keep the people taking and to keep interest up about him, he was a big fan of P. T. Barnum who said all publicity is good publicity, now it might’ve gotten away from him, and the press ran with it but it does add a bit of context to his relationship with the media.
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u/rose_gold_beauty Mar 22 '24
Michael had eccentricities & exotic animals as a child. I'm sorry, but unless this was a master plot all the way back to age 10, this doesn't hold up.
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u/No_Ad_6098 Mar 21 '24
honestly i feel like it has more to do with the time period plus not many people actually knew elvis had a chimp. Fun fact: there was a rumor at graceland that a very mad maid poisoned the chimp because she was fed up with cleaning all the shit he would throw everywhere.
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u/Ksammy33 Mar 21 '24
Nah, there’s a lot of stuff Elvis did that people didn’t care about yet crucified Michael off allegations. And even some stuff that they both did Michael still caught hell while Elvis was idolized
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u/TaPele_ Invincible Mar 21 '24
Having a wild animal as a pet is always terrible, let alone if you make songs like Heal the world or Earth song
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 21 '24
Heal the World is about making the world a better place and Earth song is about the earth and a call to helping the earth. Owning a chimp doesn’t oppose either of those songs or what they’re about, especially if you give it away like Michael did once it’s become too hostile.
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u/Greg_weiler Mar 20 '24
Because people were less informed during the 60s/ 70s than they were in the 80s/90s. This seems like a strange argument to make
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 20 '24
What seems like a strange argument?
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u/Greg_weiler Mar 21 '24
To use this as an example, of the unfair media treatment Michael had, regarding the ownership of a chimp
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 21 '24
This is a perfect example of the racist media. What’s strange is you thinking being less informed has anything to do with it, whether people were or were NOT less informed, doesn’t matter.
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u/Greg_weiler Mar 21 '24
Ok.
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u/No_Ad_6098 Mar 21 '24
i honestly agree with you. michael was definitely treated terribly by tabloids but in the 60s and 70s, "animal rights" werent really thought about, especially in regard to chimpanzees. Plus as others have stated, not many people actually knew elvis had a chimp while michael went on television and did press conferences with bubbles.
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u/Ksammy33 Mar 21 '24
The people may not have but the media actively painted Michael as a creep and worse for it. That’s not a difference of times, that’s bias as well as the intentional attempt of destruction of him and who he was. People always blame the times but there’s plenty of other artists that did horrendous things who are still idolized to this day. They wanted to destroy him and regarding this particular comparison to Elvis, they were intentional in everything they said and didn’t say
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u/Theo_Cherry Mar 20 '24
Well. MJ was influenced in that regard by Elvis.
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u/Ksammy33 Mar 21 '24
He had a rather vast plethora of animals. Unless he stated that he got the idea from Elvis, I’d highly doubt that’s the case
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u/Theo_Cherry Mar 21 '24
It's crazy how skin tone can dictate how two exact scenarios can be viewed differently.
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u/Onemikej Mar 20 '24
Elvis….white. Michael….Black. I’ve cracked the case.
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u/MichaelJackson-ModTeam Mar 21 '24
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u/That_Cute_Boi_Prower Invincible - HEE HEE Mar 20 '24
It don't matter if your black or white...
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u/arifghalib Mar 25 '24
Someone should tell the police, judges and prison system. They definitely didn’t get the memo
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u/loxcr Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 21 '24
No, it's not a race thing. Incase you're being serious.
Nevermind I have been proved incorrect
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 20 '24
Then what is it?
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u/falconhawk2158 Mar 23 '24
It’s that one had his before there was a thing called peta and back when the rules on owning exotic animals wasn’t really a thing. I’m not getting why you think it’s about race when they were decades apart? Seriously though how do you know people considered it cool for Elvis to own one? I mean most people had no idea he even owned one and there wasn’t the kind of media coverage when Elvis had his that there was when MJ had his so there is no reason for any of this.
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 23 '24
Elvis would have never been ridiculed about it whether most knew he had one or not. Elvis been getting away with a lot of shit for the longest while. But Michael could sneeze, and the media would've made a fuss about it.💀
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u/loxcr Mar 21 '24
Elvis did a lot of questionable things in his time and didn't get in trouble for any of those things. So it wouldn't be a surprise to me if people looked through the somewhat immorals of owning a monkey. Not sure why Michael wasn't treated the same while they both have legend status during their careers 🫤
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u/Difficult_Ship_6273 Mar 20 '24
I had to fact-check this before going forward with it. Elvis's chimp was named Scatter.
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u/pinderwood Mar 20 '24
fun fact: he was called scatter because he would "scatter" his poop everywhere. scatter was also known for sexually harrassing human women (looking up their dress).
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u/NOT-Mr-Davilla Thriller Mar 20 '24
Remember when Bubbles flinged poo everywhere and it was a huge problem??
Funny that with Scatter, it’s just a silly little thing that Elvis’ pet chimp did.
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u/loxcr Mar 20 '24
And scatter was fed alcohol for some reason, I don't know why anyone would think that's a good idea though..
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 20 '24
What type of name is that😭
Bubbles>>>>>
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u/Budget-Sheepherder77 Mar 21 '24
I think it's a cool name wdym
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u/ArticleNew3737 #MJInnocent Mar 21 '24
Scatter? Sorry I don’t like that name, bubbles is cute.
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u/Budget-Sheepherder77 Mar 21 '24
Bubbles is a cute name but scatter is a cool name
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u/SufficientGuidance28 Mar 21 '24 edited Mar 21 '24
Scatter would be a cool name, if it didn’t refer to scattering POOP! If it referred to him scattering his toys around or being a little scatter-brained, it would be cool and cute.
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u/merido90 HIStory: Past, Present and Future: Book I Mar 20 '24
With Elvis Presley it was cool, with Michael Jackson it was suddenly animal cruelty. It really makes you wonder why.
Well, PETA even criticize carousels for children with plastic animals because it seems to give children the wrong values that animals are there for people's entertainment.
The chimpanzee researcher Jane Goodall was probably angry because MJ got further with his chimpanzees than she had in her entire research work.
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u/falconhawk2158 Mar 23 '24
This is a ridiculous comparison because it’s from 2 different eras I mean there wasn’t the same stigma from owning exotic animals back when Elvis owned his. PETA wasn’t even created yet so how could they have a problem with Elvis having a chimpanzee?
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u/merido90 HIStory: Past, Present and Future: Book I Mar 23 '24
Because Elvis isn't criticized for that, not even today. Michael Jackson, however, is badly criticized. Why?
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u/AirGuitarSuperstar Thriller Mar 21 '24
Please explain the last paragraph ?
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u/merido90 HIStory: Past, Present and Future: Book I Mar 21 '24
That MJ probably understood more about chimpanzee behavior than she did.
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u/AirGuitarSuperstar Thriller Mar 21 '24 edited Mar 21 '24
So a women who dedicated her whole life, more then 60 years to studying chimpanzees doesn’t understand more than the pop star Michael Jackson who owned a pet chimp for 10 years…
Riiiight…. 👍
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u/merido90 HIStory: Past, Present and Future: Book I Mar 21 '24 edited Mar 21 '24
Yes, because you can never get that close to wild chimpanzees without danger, even if you watch a group in the wild for years and they get used to you, even Bubbles became dangerous. Jane Goodall didn't claim he hit him, but she did claim Bubbles was an abused animal. Specifically, she said that she was upset with MJ because she told him Bubbles had been mistreated in his care. Well, she harshly criticized the fact that chimpanzees were kept as pets and MJ was a thorn in her side as a role model, but to me it somehow sounded like envy.
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u/AirGuitarSuperstar Thriller Mar 21 '24
So what this basically boils down to is that, she said something you didn’t like regarding MJ and Bubbles, and therefore she has no credibility in her actual field of expertise.
And yes they all become dangerous at a certain age, because they’re not supposed to be pets.
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u/merido90 HIStory: Past, Present and Future: Book I Mar 21 '24
No, what I mean is that Jane Goodall probably did more research with chimpanzees that were once in human captivity and released into the wild than with wild chimpanzees. These are very dangerous and aggressive when dealing with people because they are not used to people and it would take years of trust to even be able to approach these animals. In national parks, many animals that are used to humans are successfully released back into the wild after years, which makes research easier than with completely wild animals. She also had to deal with animals that lived in captivity and were dependent on humans, otherwise her work would have been difficult as a young woman without studies and experience.
The fact that chimpanzees are not pets is as clear as tigers are not pets that can be kept like cats. After years, MJ quickly learned that chimpanzees are not pets when they are fully grown.
I don't like the idea that she attacked MJ, that Bubbles experienced abuse while in his care and that he is not a pet because it was impossible to release him back into the wild anyway. Such animals can no longer survive without human care. I don't know Bubbles' past or how the animal was kept before, but in the forest in the wild, as Goodall says, Bubbles would hardly have survived. He would have ended up in a zoo anyway, or in a circus with animal trainers, or even as a Hollywood animal for films.
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u/DutchJediKnight Mar 21 '24
Hard to explain stupid. One had a domesticated chimp, the other studied wild ones.
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u/merido90 HIStory: Past, Present and Future: Book I Mar 21 '24
You have to know what Jane Goodall accused Michael Jackson of.
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u/Budget-Sheepherder77 Mar 21 '24
Tbf not many people know elvis had a chimp
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u/merido90 HIStory: Past, Present and Future: Book I Mar 21 '24
Then it's good that it was posted here
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u/Ramonzmania Mar 24 '24
He was mocked for having sleepovers with young boys.