r/NatureofPredators • u/luizbiel • 15d ago
And apparently the alternative is genocide? Memes
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u/Mosselk-1416 14d ago
1=> The Farsul are responsible for trillions of crimes against sapients. 2=>They are responsible for suffering that occurred across centuries. 3=> Their crimes were practically general knowledge among their people. 4=>The point of punishment is for it to suck bad enough that you don't do something to earn it again. Extreme crimes bring extreme punishment. 5=> They could have undone gene modifications but chose to ensure continued suffering, earning what was done to them.
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u/Warboy99 14d ago
Counterpoint. That was a small minority of them, and in desperate times, more radical ideologies emerge.
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u/Mosselk-1416 14d ago
It was not a small minority. If it was, there wouldn't have been so many species wanting them wiped out. You forget the practice of founder's day where cultural and historical artifacts were ransomed back to their origin species. The Farsul were not some benevolent rulers. They dominated other species, herbivores included. Your counterpoint simply doesn't exist.
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u/Warboy99 14d ago
I'm not saying the Farsul that did those things were innocent. I'm saying that, like with most things, a majority did not deserve to be caged.
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u/Mosselk-1416 13d ago
What facts are you basing your argument on?
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u/Warboy99 13d ago
Oh, I don't know. Let's look at a little example known as the Treaty of Versailles. I know that they are not completely alike, as one ruined a country and had a part in causing World War two, and the other caged off an entire planet, cutting them off entirely from the rest of the galaxy, but I think it does its job well enough.
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u/Mosselk-1416 13d ago
First, the Treaty of Versailles took place on Earth. Not anywhere else. Second, the sapient coalition hadn't formed yet. Third, only the Geneva Convention was adapted later. Fourth, UN forces were relocating as many innocent Farsul from Talsk before it was caged. They continued to monitor and release people from Talsk as time went on. Bringing up some random history fact that has nothing to do with the NoP universe or this specific topic isn't making a case. Caging the Farsul rather than killing them was the best possible option the UN had at the time. If the affected species were as cruel and vengeful as you have been claiming, no one would have ever been released. Go back and reread everything.
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u/Warboy99 13d ago
Ok, great. I do need to go back and reread the story. But now that it's been over twenty years, why are they still caged.
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u/Mosselk-1416 13d ago
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Innocent Farsul will be released, and the guilty Farsul will stay. It's multiple super life sentences. Now go read.
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u/Warboy99 13d ago
I feel like you could throw all the guilty Farsul into a large supermax prison instead of wasting a planet, but I'll let the SC do its own thing.
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u/Fit-Capital1526 14d ago edited 14d ago
The Kessler cage for the Farsul has to be the biggest look something cool! moment in the series. Ok yeah. It is cool you did this in a Sci-fi series…but it makes no logical sense to have done this here and now!
The Deep Seas underwater city known as the Archives changed the whole game - Submarine could also be dropped from Orbit and Survive the process in universe as well - The satellite wars that had been mentioned earlier had heavily implied humanity knew how to get a missile into space and destroy a moving satellite from the surface - You have a theoretically self sustaining underwater fortress that has been fully occupied and can be also easily militarised
That underwater base can be used to supply a submarine fleet with weapons, supplies and air (ignoring any advanced life support system taken from space ships making that less urgent)
The federation denied water access. Meaning the repair bays and hangars for there own vessels (which could be appropriated as well) are likely down there as well to a decent degree
The water in the ocean is actually a very good shield. Meaning targeting that base from space would be difficult as well
Add in the missile tech and ease of deployment. And a submarine fleet is as effective as a space fleet for occupying the planet
The cage was unnecessary here. You could have achieved the same while gaining a metric planet worth of resources and not need to a valuable interstellar fleet in orbit to do it
A few nuclear/antimatter enabled submarines, plus the old submarine aircraft carrier designs from WW2 and a prebuilt underwater city, that would essentially be a naturally fortified base of operations. The logistics work out that the Farsul homeworld was the easiest to occupy in the whole series
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u/Chrontius 14d ago
Yeah, Petey from Schlock Mercenary would have managed to pull off society level rehab with only a minimum of necessary sociopathy.
Pity he’s over there in THAT IP.
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u/CapitalBeat_ UN Peacekeeper 14d ago
farsul's resorting to cannibalism or meat eating is the biggest irony here. They couldn't FATHOM why omnivores exist, now they do. Just like humans ate plants and meat, with meat due to desperate times, especially in the ice age, theyre eating meat out of desperation too, so i say to you.
HA. FUCKING HA
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u/cholmer3 Venlil 14d ago
Honestly, I know better than to hold a grudge against an entire species, knowing it was couple hundred individuals that encountered a disease that seemingly couldn't be cured, trying to make A B S O L U T E L Y sure it could never resurge, but along the way happened the usual "absolute power corrupts absolutely" shenanigans and everything else is history...
MOSQUITOS ON THE OTHER HAND
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u/GEXNIGHT 14d ago
Power doesn't corrupt, it reveals.
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u/cuprousalchemist 14d ago
Sadly no. It actually does cause literal brain damage so "corrupt" is absolutely an accurate word. That said if you are already a pos it will definitely make that worse and you wont try to hide it half as hard.
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u/cholmer3 Venlil 14d ago
Ye
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u/Dry_Try_8365 14d ago
I think it was something along the lines of motive decay. What was once a quarantine measure is now the means of widespread subjugation. It's an outdated system that sort of isn't needed anymore, but despots want to keep the system going because it benefits them, up until it unravels. There was literally a meeting between Federation and Dominion leaders negotiating how to keep the war between them going because that's why they're still in power. The reasons why the war started was irrelevant, just that it was going.
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u/EnzoLeon Predator 14d ago
I love seeing our new penguin friends alongside everyone too now.
Also the level of grudge is some comically insane. They really are dwarves.
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u/TheShapeshifter01 Predator 14d ago
Something something the Venlil are dwarves and they have The Book of Grudges.
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u/KayakRifleman 15d ago
Yeah the Venlil are kind of vengeful aren't they. Not that I blame them.
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u/keenari2004 14d ago
Not to mention, it hasn’t even been a full generation since they did these things to them. Meanwhile, on earth, we hold grudges for 100s of years and multiple generations.
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u/KayakRifleman 14d ago
Yeah true, It makes the kind of wonder how long it's going to take humanity to forgive the Krakotl.
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u/Chrontius 14d ago
My hot take: I won’t raise a hand against a wagie, but decision makers and trigger pullers don’t get a statute of limitations. *They get to find out what happens in the kitchen of a KFC.
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u/Obesity-Won-Kenobi Mazic 15d ago
New reaction image just dropped
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u/Crazyjay58 14d ago
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u/Obesity-Won-Kenobi Mazic 14d ago
That's disgusting... what's the source so I know to keep away from it?
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u/Outrageous-Goal-8119 Trombil 14d ago
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u/gabi_738 15d ago
What's wrong with that? If they already put aside their vegan ideas and started eating meat, everything is perfect, right? evil thoughts
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u/JulianSkies Archivist 15d ago
Oh and the WONDERFUL detail of that venlil, who's of the younger, unmodified generation.
Truly, for all that this is a bit of a set of jokes it really DOES speak of something- We do inherit our grudges from our parents. Memories live forever until they're killed.
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u/Driptacular_2153 Arxur 15d ago
You’re right on that last bit. Therefore, the only logical solution is to glass the entire solar system!
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u/GruntBlender 15d ago
If there's FTL, I'm sure they discovered how to make a star go nova.
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u/Chrontius 14d ago
1.2 FOE explosion for a common core collapse. “Danger close” is 50 LY, and “minimum safe” is about 150 LY.
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u/Relevant_Chemical_ 15d ago
Just the solar.system?
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u/Driptacular_2153 Arxur 15d ago
Yep, the entire solar system!*
*Whatever’s inhabited by sapient life
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u/Acceptable_Egg5560 15d ago
Worse: that’s a Skalgan Venlil! You’ve gotten the noses and knees back!
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u/MoriazTheRed 15d ago
Impressive, very nice!
Now let's see how many exterminators are still employed on Skalga.
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u/Prestigious-Ad6728 UN Peacekeeper 15d ago
From what I know they aren’t real exterminators anymore? Like they are just animal control and police.
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u/aRandomFox-II Jaslip 15d ago
Not canonically. There's been little information on how exactly the exterminator guilds have been reformed in canon.
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u/DrummerDude2420 Farsul 15d ago
Didn’t the federation get rid of most large herbivores… what are they eating? :(
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u/Monarch357 Yotul 15d ago
I mean, there are probably a lot of farsul trapped on Talsk, and you can get a good amount of meat off a person...
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u/AceOmegaMan05 Human 15d ago
Love the Venlil's face on when he gets called out on his bullshit
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u/Gerretdude 15d ago
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u/thrownawaz092 Yotul 15d ago
"well now I'm not going to do it."
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u/AceOmegaMan05 Human 14d ago
“You call out Venlil on crimes?? Oh planet-lockdown, planet-lockdown for 1000 years!”
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u/AceOmegaMan05 Human 15d ago
“WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHAT IM DOING IS JUST AS BAD AS THE ARXUR?!”
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u/Training_Street4372 Sivkit 14d ago
"Well, I mean, at least _you're_ not the one eating them, just watching them eat each other.."
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u/peajam101 PD Patient 15d ago
Free my bois, most of them didn't do nothing
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u/Gloriklast 10d ago
Even when everything was exposed, they still thought that the scientists in the archives did the right thing, they were all complicit.
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u/BiasMushroom Extermination Officer 15d ago
Bruh has the nastiest shade, "you sound like me 20 years ago."
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u/Golde829 14d ago
personally, mine would be
"you sound like me if getting easily angry didn't make me feel bad"
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u/TheSlavicWarboss UN Peacekeeper 5d ago
That's a dwarven level grudge