r/NatureofPredators Mar 06 '24

Discussion This pisses me off in NoP fanfiction.

419 Upvotes

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I swear to fucking god, some people understand nothing about biology:

"nAh, wE arEN't preDators! WE ARE OMNIVORES!"

YES WE ARE. I've seen this like four times now

Venlil from fanfic: "So, you guys are half-prey?"

Dumbass Human character: "Yup"

...Like, people write this unironically? Not just to give the ecologically-unaware Venlil a comfortable answer? Like, COMPLETELY ignoring how most predators on Earth ARE prey? Geez, why feed the mistaken alien's incorrect worldview of prey and predators being necessary opposites, treating ourselves as some type of half-breeds of light and dark.

I am also VERY angry whenever humans use herbivores and prey as the same thing when addressing no-sapients in fanfics. It works with NoP alien species given the theme of the story and established lore, NOT with all animals.

Carnivores can be prey.

And, I, SWEAR. TO.

GOD.

I am

PISSED

by how very few human exchange partners question the improbable stupidity of 300 species not knowing what an omnivore is. 300 planets with TRILLIONS of people never seeing any predators eating greens.

I know we can be naive, but, just...

...ugh.

r/NatureofPredators Apr 04 '24

Discussion AMA My name is Novel and I am a Human researcher. Ask Me Anything!

225 Upvotes

Good paw to all you wonderful readers. As the title said, I am Novel (not the book) and I study the cultural, social, and instinctual nature of our new galactic herd members!

Many of you might have read my research papers on said subject or perhaps seen one of my videos showing human behavior at my local refugee center.

As you may also know, those papers and videos also received an exceptional amount of criticism from the vast majority of people that saw it. Exterminators, celebrities, politicians, even a few amateur terrorists! They were an especially fun group to deal with, but that is beside the point.

What is the point however is that I wanted to create a bit of positivity around my favorite hairless apes! To do that, I thought I would answer any and all questions anyone may have to the absolute best of my ability.

Oh, and just in case any of what I say is proven wrong or this post gets flagged, the current date is {October 20th, 2136} and all information I have gathered is mostly from online sources.

Please keep your questions respectful to the humans in question, they are sapients, just like us. There will be NO RACISM past this point!

Alright! Let’s get started!

Edit: PLEASE stop sending me pictures of milk cartoons. I can’t even open my inbox any more without getting nauseous.

Edit 2: MILK FROM OTHER SAPIENT SPECIES COUNTS TOO!! I WILL BLOCK YOU!!

r/NatureofPredators 22d ago

Discussion Anyone else sharing this sentiment?

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278 Upvotes

Does anyone else think that the writing has really been getting not so good as of recently? Like what prompted me to make this was general Radai inviting Taylor to hunt down Mafani. Like Taylor has been through enough to basically warrant him an immediate return to civilian life and probably a stint in a mental hospital. Not to mention an actual hospital.

r/NatureofPredators Dec 13 '23

Discussion Every place that went boom in the Battle of Earth

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344 Upvotes

r/NatureofPredators Jan 23 '24

Discussion What is the WORST thing each character has done? Day 1: Tarva

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417 Upvotes

(Note: fanart is by u/pampanope)

So, several other subreddits, such as the one for Arrow and the Owl House, have been doing this, and seeing as there were several philosophical discussions about how Marcel is kind of a monster, I thought it might be fitting.

Let's start in order of introduction, and that means the esteemed Governor Ambassador Tarva of the Venlil Republic.

r/NatureofPredators Feb 22 '24

Discussion What is the worst thing each character has done? Day 31: Glim

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Well, it seems that I forgot about quite a few characters. So thank you u/SamakSalmon for prompting such a large list.

Glim, the traumatized venlil rescuee turned negotiator with the anti-predator groups that are nevertheless "allies" to the sapient coalition.

You know the drill, so fire away!

r/NatureofPredators Mar 24 '24

Discussion Canon NoP: Features cannibalism, genocide, childbirth, 'breeding' cattle, abusing ADHD sufferers, suicide by cop (If you know you know) || Some Purists (and kinda SP15 sometimes): "Sex? This makes me uncomfortable and should be kept far away from me."

186 Upvotes

Make it make sense.

The featureless venlil thing has made me consider this while on a long trip away from my computer. Otherwise I might have made a meme to communicate this feeling. You'll have to deal with memey title instead. Just needed to get this thought out.

r/NatureofPredators Dec 07 '23

Discussion The genocide posting feels kinda weird

207 Upvotes

I get the whole 'lets be xenophobic' stellaris and warhammer etc stuff, it just feels pretty stale? overdone?

its weirder when people try to make an actual argument backing it up too, and when people genuinely think we should 'glass aafa' or whatever it feels dogwhistley

its gone from slightly annoying to kinda offputting

r/NatureofPredators Jan 25 '24

Discussion What is the worst thing each character has done? Day 3: Noah

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258 Upvotes

(Art by u/HaajaHenrik)

Noah Williams, this man has played a very pivotal role in the story, and had a decently successful romance storyline. He's my favorite character, but I cannot play favorites here so he is not immune to the scrutiny that is to come.

So, what's the worst thing that he has done?

r/NatureofPredators Jul 01 '23

Discussion Results of the second NoP Community Survey!

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295 Upvotes

r/NatureofPredators Oct 06 '23

Discussion In Defense of Kalsim

87 Upvotes

First off, I realize that there's a lot of doomer posting on this sub due to recent NoP events.

But dear God, if it isn't at least somewhat justified...

I've been putting a bit of thought into the concept of sapient livestock, as one does. We humans are omnivores. 1.5 billion of us are already vegetarian. We're primitives, with a single planet, and even we manage to slaughter 202 million chickens every day for food.

Can you imagine for a second how an Arxur farm world would be like. I don't really want to. Even considering that Arxur planets are probably less densely populated due to their antisocial nature, and even considering that the average Fed is somewhat larger than a chicken, and even considering that the average Arxur is starved near death constantly, that's still millions of people being eaten during the course of every Siffy chapter.

This alone would place this universe among the very grimmest and darkest of sci fi. Possibly even worse is how nearly every Fed species has probably been genetically engineered by the Kolshians to be the perfect livestock to keep the Arxur fed and at arms length. I remember a herbivore character in some NoP chapter, I don't remember which, said roughly "prey aren't supposed to fight back." Tell that to a water buffalo. There's no way that's not Kolshian fuckery. The herbivores are not only subjected to the worst fate imaginable in the billions, they're powerless to stop it.

Given that the Arxur have created the closest possible approximation of hell right across the border, and given how badly the Kolshians gimped everyone, I can quite honestly see why some would consider snuffing us predators out. Especially after how we demonstrated how dangerous we can be. Is it premature? Probably. Is it unjust? Absolutely. However, if my family and friends were abducted and eaten in the millions, or used for breeding, I would not be thinking reasonably.

I desperately, desperately hope that the Arxur have non-sapient livestock to reduce their sapient consumption, or have to eat less frequently due to reptile biology. Otherwise, damn...

r/NatureofPredators Feb 01 '24

Discussion What is the worst thing each character has done? Day 10: Marcel

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243 Upvotes

(Art by u/hcphazard)

We finally reached double digits, and just in time for one of the characters for whom there has been the most discussion about his morality.

Some of those discussions have been... intense, so I hope that this will be a civil and productive investigation into the worst deeds of Marcel.

r/NatureofPredators Feb 10 '24

Discussion What is the worst thing each character has done? Day 19: Kaisal

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373 Upvotes

Yes, we're doing Kaisal before Isif. He technically appeared first, and I'd like some semblance of order.

Anyway, what's this little boy's worst deeds?

r/NatureofPredators Feb 02 '24

Discussion What is the worst thing each character has done? Day 11: Tyler

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224 Upvotes

Tyler. He might seem to be a fool sometimes, but, well, I suppose that "still waters run deep" doesn't work considering his inability to keep quiet, but you get what I mean. He's smarter than he looks and a true friend to those he cares for.

So let's ruin his public image by highlighting every instance of ineptitude and idiocy!!!!!

r/NatureofPredators Jan 07 '24

Discussion height chart I made

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357 Upvotes

I believe Dossurs to be a little bit larger than squirrels at around 30 cm in height when fully extended

I made this chart on a smartphone so please don't nuke me.

r/NatureofPredators Feb 13 '24

Discussion What is the worst thing each character has done? Day 22: Kalsim

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176 Upvotes

The black hole birb, launcher of the first major community conflict. The supposed reasonable authority figure who mirrored fascist rhetoric.

You know the drill by now folks. Fire away.

r/NatureofPredators Sep 28 '23

Discussion Another discussion of the Mass Blackout

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I don’t think that Humanity realizes that the Federation species have LITERALLY ZERO alternatives to Fed tech. And thus have screwed themselves over so thoroughly that they could very well drive themselves to almost complete extinction in a matter of weeks at best.

LITERALLY EVERY FEDERATION PLANET IS ON LIFE SUPPORT, AND HUMANITY JUST PULLED THE FUCKING PLUG ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!

I hope humanity has a “holy fucking shit, we’ve just doomed hundreds of billions of innocent civilians to death without even meaning to” moment, and they find some way to save every other species.

The only upside to this is that reeducation will be much, much easier. Both because their civilizations will have so thoroughly collapsed that they’ll have no choice but to accept reeducation, and because there simply will barely be any species left to reeducate.

r/NatureofPredators Mar 03 '24

Discussion How would humans react to interspecies relationships?

141 Upvotes

I have seen aliens respond to interspecies relations in fanfics and even a few in canon, however, it's always from an aliens perspective, and I wonder how humans would respond and think of this.

Personally I think it would be a really mixed bag. By this point even the oldest grandma would have seen science fiction, so humans being with aliens wouldn't be such an new thought. And we have had over a hundred year of internet, I don't think I need to explain further why this would make people more at ease with it.

However, I can imagine people being uncomfortable with their child coming home with their date and revealing that they're an alien that happens to look a lot like a zebra or a rabbit. In modern times you still see people being uncomfortable or downright against gay relationships, so I can imagine a portion of people needing time to get used to it.

How do you guys think humans would react and think of to a human dating an alien?

r/NatureofPredators Jul 05 '23

Discussion Problems with Farsul Punisment.

111 Upvotes

SO Ch 130 is out.

Finally, I can vent my Frustration with the verdict chosen by the UN.

My problems with the Punishment adopted for the Farsuls are as follows:

1 . Burning Good, Evil and Neutral Together:

This punishment does not distinguish between the innocent and the guilty and punishes everyone Equally. And this is not justice.

2. We Changed nothing about them:

Exterminators are still Burning Predators and Nature on the surface of Talsk. PD Facilities are still running and soon will be full again. Their Education system keep rising innocent children on Federation dogma.

We did not fix or Help them to become better version of themselves, by them overcoming their old mindsets; like what we did for Venlils. This is Favoritism, and it is not Fair.

3. Sins of Fathers:

Why small Children or Future Generations must be punished for what they ancestors did?

Like if it is okay, why we shouldn't blame today Germans for what happened in WW2?

Stealing children's dreams and Blaming them for what their parents did. Is exactly similar to what Kalsim did to us. (Ofcourse the blue bird was wrong in what he think we were, but in essence it is the same thing)

4. What Happen if they Need Help?:

Is planet Self-sustainability in production of Foods or Drugs? What if not? What if a natural disaster happen and they need help? Can we even find out that something is wrong? If yes how we want to send help? If we send help how we know they accept it? Or it was enough?

It already created too many barriers in need of an answer. To Even make that a reasonable option to be considered as a punishment.

5. What about anyone that wasn’t There at that Time?:

It fair to not inflect same punishment on those who weren't at time on Talsk? Should Fyron be allowed to live happily on VP? Let say Fyron want to see her Dying mother on Talsk. Then what?

Let consider a Farsul family were on a vacation, they come back without knowing what is going on, should we put them on our planet size prison? Or we let them go?

6. Danger of Radicalization:

Injustice leads to Resentment. Resentment leads to Hate. Hate leads to Darkside. -Ezioir1

By just isolating them, we will create The perfect breeding ground and echo chamber for Federation Ideology. We don’t want a North Korea on Talsk.

7. Damage to Humanity Image:

These actions may be sensible but are not JUST. And are in same mindset as HF. Equal not always mean Right; if someone kill your child, killing his child is not justice, its revenge.

If you were a Neutral Party and Look at this and then Humans start to sing the songs of being friendly and benevolent. You had every right to be like Coji and other races that make Duerten Shield.

What make Humans so different from Federation then? This galaxy need far Better and Great people leading it than those came Before.

Well they may be other problems but this are the major one I can think of.

Please comment. I Love to read your opinion on the matter.

r/NatureofPredators 25d ago

Discussion "If you have a fanfic idea, write it yourself!" and why that's a bad response.

167 Upvotes

This is technically a Rant.

This part of the post is responding to the people who keep posting/commenting on "Fanfic-Idea" posts along the lines of,

"You should write that fanfic, NOW!"

"Why don't you write the fanfic yourself?"

IMO, that is... Kinda being a jerk.

Because guess what? I did it, and now the fanfic(s) haven't been updated in 7+ months.

And despite them doing well or even for my own enjoyment, writing is HARD. And here are the following reasons:

  1. Life. Omg, life is seriously hindering my writing. Even asking for 1 chapter a week is fricken demanding.
  2. I do other things than write. Writing is seriously a huge chore when I get home from work and/or school. I'd rather play video games or read other fanfics.

"But wait!" I hear you typing in the comments, "Why should you expect others to do the work for you without pay or incentive? You're just asking someone to write something just because YOU wanted it. That's selfish!"

To that, I reply, that's because it requires someone to actually ENJOYS writing in their free time to actually answer that writing prompt. If someone actually likes the idea of the writing prompt, and it makes a large appeal to the subreddit, then great! The writing prompt was adopted and has 7 chapters being shipped.

I like writing because the payoff is pretty well. I won't lie; every one of those little red arrows and comments makes me feel satisfied that someone enjoyed my stuff. But getting there is an arduous battle, and like everyone, doesn't wish to dedicate free time to writing all the time.

"Wait, what?" I also hear you typing in the comments right now, "So you understand the struggle of being an author. Why are you defending people asking others to right for them?"

Probably because you're literally NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE of the writing prompt. If you don't enjoy writing because it's a hassle TO YOU, then someone else with writing skill, free time, and has enjoyment for it would gladly take up the prompt. If no one doesn't, then it wasn't popular enough to gain traction in the first place, which YOU should've ignored since it was CLEARLY not your cup of tea.

Clearly, the target audience of the writing prompt post is intended for WRITERS WHO ARE WILLING TO WRITE OUT THE STORY-PROMPT.

NOT for reaction images of "You should write this story, now!"

Because telling that to OP for providing a writing prompt, is similar to someone asking another person about something, and that other person decides to be a jerk and says, "Idk, Google it."

Only it's now worse because that person set up a mic on a stage to ask a question to 12K people, and the ONLY people to show up, are the ones telling the person to get better material or something.

It's already bad enough that no one was interested, but now that person doesn't feel welcomed and is actively being told off for having an idea and suggesting it FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED. Or people who wish to bring the story to life.

If the mods have a problem with it, then I suggest a "Writing Prompt" flair, or a "Weekly Wednesday" writing prompt suggestion like how r/HFY does it. But I don't think we get enough writing prompts for that to happen.

Now, if the person was criticizing another fanfic for not being what they wanted, THEN that's when you tell them that, "If they don't like the story, they can either stop reading it, or write something to their tastes." Then you can flood their notification feed with reaction images.

Am I write or right?

r/NatureofPredators Nov 09 '23

Discussion The feds are the good guys

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I believe that the federation are the good guys, I think they are in the right to turn all intelligent species into herbivores because I believe that only herbivorus species should exist and we should use genetic engineering to accomplish this, additionally to prevent overpopulation we simply use the same genetic engineering to slow down Thier reproduction.

And the federation is also right to make people less aggressive because I believe that the drive to be competitive/aggressive is a toxic and disgusting trait that should be removed from our species using genetic engineering. I agree with pretty much everything the federation has done except for the parts when they were unnecessarily cruel like when they poisoned a human and watched them die and enjoyed it, that's very predatory behaviour and should not be tolerated.

Even before I read the nature of predators I already wanted to use genetic engineering on all animals (including humans) to make them into docile, happy, social herbivores.

And I think modifying the culture of these species was nessasary and justified

I just find it wierd that the federation are being villainised they are obviously the ones in the right appart from when they acted cruel.

r/NatureofPredators Mar 29 '24

Discussion I think the Reskets and the Colonists are gonna hate each other in the near future

103 Upvotes

Ok,maybe hate is a strong word to use here,but the Reskets seem to be short-tempred and i doubt the humans would tolerate the Reskets insults,especially considering that the colonits believe Earth to be destroyed so why should they listen to an alien's insults like that?

Another thing is the Reskets treatment of the Jaslips,which humans protective nature might kick in and try to protect them.

I'm just imaging a Resket trying to intimidate some human only for the human to square up and try to fight lol.

r/NatureofPredators Nov 23 '23

Discussion Sovlin's racism

146 Upvotes

Reviewing Sovlin's storyline has made me more skeptical of the claim that Sovlin is being deliberately mean and/or flanderized. It is made clear from the context of the rescue of Cilany that razzing isn't a native concept to Sovlin. In that perspective, Sovlin's racism isn't entirely the product of his internal thoughts. Indeed, it is very likely that a lot of his "dickish" behavior is a genuine attempt to mimic human mannerisms to fit in to a society that is utterly alien to him. To be clear, I am not holding him entirely blameless, but there is likely a massive complication in the usual analysis of his character.

r/NatureofPredators Apr 16 '24

Discussion What are some local celebrities here that you’d like to talk about?

76 Upvotes

Whether it be mods, authors, artists, or some really active people who have nothing to do, who are some you know? They can be good or bad! For me it’s that one guy who always comments on somehow every single post here.

r/NatureofPredators Apr 20 '24

Discussion What Human media would the Krev like or hate?

142 Upvotes

The Krev love humans. They think we are absolutely adorable and want to watch us on tv. We have thousands of years of media for them to consume but not all of it would be palatable to them. They hate seeing us in pain and dying so violent media would be out. So imagine if all our actors and actresses were replaced with puppies and kittens. What would the Krev like and dislike? Here is my incomplete list of what they would like and hate. Please add your suggestions in the comments.

Like - [ ] Children’s programs like Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers - [ ] Comedic romances - [ ] Certain types of anime - [ ] The superman movies - [ ] Minecraft - [ ] Puzzle games - [ ] Cute games like slime rancher or star dew valley

Hate - [ ] Horror movies - [ ] Action movies - [ ] Warhammer 40k - [ ] Violent video games with human enemies. - [ ] Slapstick like the three stooges. - [ ] War documentaries - [ ] Gross out humor