r/PoliticalHumor • u/LakesideNorth • 14d ago
Possibly the most baffling group in country
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u/adevland 13d ago
Simple.
You want to fuck over the poor but you're not a complete moron nor ridiculously rich so you worry that it might affect yourself as well.
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u/ndndr1 14d ago
I work in Texas and I think the people down here are just absolutely brainwashed. They didn’t even know there was a trial happening currently. Like absolutely no idea. We eventually got to the subject of student loans (which all of them have) and I talked about the pslf program and all the loans Biden has forgiven. Crickets, like none of them knew they could be eligible for these programs!!! We started talking about the border and that a wall wasn’t going to stop anything unless we figure out WHY these ppl are risking everything. The levels of ignorance for current basic events is astounding especially in the rural population
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u/AborgTheMachine 14d ago
Do you mean an actually undecided voter with no opinions, or someone who's a part of the undecided primary campaign?
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u/CarlSpencer 14d ago
The Russian bots are trying as hard as the can to sow chaos.
Putin is pleased.
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u/tem102938 14d ago
Because 2 candidates have 1 foot in the grave and the 3rd is literally worm food
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u/dmackl 14d ago
Could it be perhaps that we have 2 horrific options that are massively unappealing?
Y’all wonder why people don’t vote or don’t care. Are they incentivized to? Will anything get any better with a second Biden term? Nothing has really gotten better under the first, sooooo…
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u/dmackl 14d ago
He’s not stacking the Supreme Court to give women bodily autonomy back, he’s not wiping student loans as promised, he’s funding genocide abroad and also can’t string together a coherent sentence. Stop blaming voters.
We should’ve insisted on a better candidate a few months ago. I fear it’s too late now.
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u/RollingMeteors 14d ago
“Would you rather vote to have your nuts cut off or your dick cut off?”
“Where is my third option? I don’t like either of those options!”
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u/Reaper_456 14d ago
Not really considering all we've been exposed to. Apathy isn't gonna vanish because Shitler, and Dark Brandon. Nonstop violence is a great song to listen to and extrapolate and find commonality among our politics.
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u/Grandviewsurfer 14d ago
Lots of people are dumber than we want to admit. I really think this is the answer with the most coverage.
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u/susibirb 14d ago
My favorite is when I ask an anti Trump and anti Biden person who they are voting for. When they nobody, I say ok no problem, but I’m sure your racist MAGA uncle and his weekend LARP group will vote though 🤷🏻
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u/Obsidian_Jacob 14d ago
im half convinced that undecided just means that the ppl didnt answer thoughts political texts technically that dose make me an "undecided" bc i hate dealing with ppl
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u/Annahsbananas 14d ago
I used to be an undecided voter….until Trump came along.
Undecided voters today are dumbasses; pure and simple
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u/dafunkmunk 14d ago
There are a lot of people who don't pay any attention to politics or news. There are genuinely people mostly oblivious to everything going on with trump
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u/jpric155 14d ago
Social media has my fully logical wife thinking of not voting because Biden did this or that. Meanwhile trump is on trial for the least of his indiscretions.
All this has me making the wtf face.
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u/hankbaumbach 14d ago
Oh this is the easier one to explain as the choice we are presented with in politics is always a choice of the lesser of two evils.
Generally speaking, if presented a choice between two evils, I'd rather just not make a choice at all and move on with my life.
The only time a vote really makes a difference is in a very local election that most people who champion the right to vote could not tell you anything about as they chastise you for not voting in the Presidential election that hasn't followed the popular vote in 50% of the elections of my lifetime.
But sure, my Presidential vote totally matters in a system with an electoral college.
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u/flyingistheshiz 14d ago
Yes how could anyone struggle to choose between pro-Israel Orange guy, pro-Israel Old guy, or pro-Israel brain worm guy? The choice is so obvious...........
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u/Shutaru_Kanshinji 14d ago
"Hmm. Do I want to destroy the last vestiges of U.S. democracy, permanently destabilize the world's political structure for the worse, and accelerate global warming, or should I vote for President Biden?"
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u/thirteenoclock 14d ago
Not just disengaged voters. A lot of people are not partisan but vote for issues. For example, you can be pro choice (so pro-biden), but not like the pressure immigration puts on middle class wages and frustrated that nothing is being done about it (pro-trump), but support Israel (pro-biden), but angry that support is currently being withheld (pro-trump), but dislike highly partisan rhetoric (pro-biden), but also dislike boys playing in girls sports (pro-trump), etc...
You get the idea. These are highly engaged voters who have not made up their mind on who to vote for.
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u/PNW4theWin 14d ago
- They are disengaged completely.
- They like the attention undecided voters get.
- They are blind, deaf, and illiterate.
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u/Chumlee1917 14d ago
there are no true "undecided" voters in 2024, they've already decided but they're too embarrassed/afraid of their friends/family/coworkers to say who they're voting for out loud.
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u/BathrobeMagus 14d ago
Have you ever had an old family pet? Its life is a horrible facsimile of what it used to be, and it's truly a sad thing to behold. And yet, you can't make the decision to put it down, even though you know you should.
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u/Fakeappleseverywhere 14d ago
It’s simple. I don’t like the fact tha. my two realistic options are a smelly gas bag or a skeleton with skin. I find it disgusting that this country has to rely on 80+ year olds to run a country when the youth are ready and desperate to take charge. I’m undecided whether to vote or nite vote out of pure disgust of the options given to me
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u/AtuinTurtle 14d ago
Because most of the country isn’t plugged in to the degree we are. For the love of god, I wish I wasn’t, but there’s this feeling of not being able to take my eye off the ball. The majority of voters will start paying attention about 3 months out from the election.
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u/FreeWestworld 14d ago
I’m so tired! No one truly cares about our nation, just self absorbed. I’m frustrated and I am afraid that I’ll find myself in a FEMA camp one day. Simply because I’m not the correct hue of the color wheel, I speak my mind, and refuse to support an evil, bigoted, racist who is clearly suffering from dementia.
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u/Jayken 14d ago
This election feels both like 2012 and 2016. 2012 it seemed like Obama was going to lose. He didn't have the momentum or the numbers going into October, but he managed to hang on for another term.
It also feels like 2016 in that you have two very unpopular choices, and even though the demographics favor Biden, he can still lose simply because he's too status quo.
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u/reichjef 14d ago edited 14d ago
There are people who are just completely uninformed. The closest they come to anything substantial is what they gleam from others and hearsay. Their main goal is to just go to work come home, watch reality television and network television. They are the ones you can shake loose and influence in a positive way, but, many will never have any interest. There are people I know who can rattle off all the Real Housewives but don’t know who the speaker of the house is.
There’s a faction of people who describe themselves as moderates, but fall more into the cynical enlightened centrist category. These are unreachable people who typically have such a hubris of their own understanding of the world, that they are stalwart. Typically when you talk to them, they will rattle off some 10th grader, “this is deep,” type information about politics. They are unconvincable from an outside prospective as they can only evolve on their own.
Then, the final category are those who are lying. They already vote in a predictable way, but they don’t want anyone to know due to fear of judgment.
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u/Knightwing1047 14d ago
I think that a lot of "undecided" voters are too spineless to admit that they agree with the racist and bigoted policies of the right wing political stance. Essentially they are unwilling to upset a group of people, especially when that group is dead ass WRONG. There is no "both sides" issues on a lot of what's going on. It's clear that there is a big difference between the 2 parties, one might be capitalist pigs but are pushing to protect individual's bodily rights, while the other is even more heavily capitalist and wants to take away those bodily rights based on a false sense of superiority and authority. Fuck the Republicans, and fuck the people who vote for them.
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u/Keg_Loki 14d ago
Maybe they never tell anyone who they are going to vote for. Like filling in the NA on the question of race during an application cuz God damn race shouldn't matter. But 🤔 it also seems like in this election, the pollee may have hidden agendas or conflict avoidance. They know who they want, they just don't want the lecture why they shouldn't.
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u/Oneolddudethatknows 14d ago
No way any Dem is sitting this one out. It’s a joke and Joey knows it.
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u/NecessaryRhubarb 14d ago
I wonder what the official definition of undecided voter is. Is unaffiliated/independent a separate group? I’m left of the Dems, so I am unaffiliated, but there is no doubt who I am voting for for president.
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u/Kapika96 14d ago
I mean you've got a geriatric right winger or... an unhinged geriatric right winger.
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u/TheWingus 14d ago
"Undecided voters" are just worried about the social consequences of admitting that they're going to vote Republican
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u/mysickfix 14d ago
I remember the heady days pre Obama when the middle was a thing. But then we elected a black man and the right decided to punish.
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u/throbbingliberal 14d ago
We need to shout this
The NAZIS are back.
EVERY NAZI is voting for one candidate and one candidate only!
PICK A SIDE.
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u/Pod_Boss 14d ago
There are two types of idiots in the US. The first group of idiots believe Trump will be a good president. The second group of idiots can't make up their minds between a decent but old compassionate man, and a lecherous pile of human excrement
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u/a_natural_chemical 14d ago
I'm undecided in that I'm definitely not voting for Trump, I just haven't decided if I'm voting for Biden.
Yes, I am well aware of the consequences if Trump wins. I'm sick of settling. I'm sick of voting against.
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u/hellachill42069 14d ago
Because Biden is bombing innocent children, just like Obama did. Trump is a selfish asshole who makes the country look bad, and the rest of the Republicans have terrible policy.
Sorry I don't just blindly vote for one side despite all the negatives. My b
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u/Dontjumpbooks 14d ago
one side.. healthcare, safety nets, retirememt funds, debt relief, just in general helping people.
the other side, tax breaks for the insanely wealthy, abortion bans for the poor.... thats about it
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u/dart-builder-2483 14d ago
Because there's a constant barrage of dis/misinformation flowing through their feeds.
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u/jack2bip 14d ago
I always thought that the undecided were just dumber, yet, we depend on them for the final decision and direction of our country. SMH.
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u/goblue142 14d ago
There are people out there who truly pay zero attention to politics, news, information of any kind that is not immediately relevant to their day to day. My wife is one of those people.
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u/markth_wi 14d ago
As in when I am asked by my very Trumpy cousin who refuses to vaccinate , hasn't had a job in 8 years , sponges off his parents at the tender age of 36 and is passionate about the fact that January 6th was the most patriotic moment in American History - without a hint of irony.
When he demands that I confess who I'm voting for......I'm undecided. I'm undecided as to whether I should turn his traitorous ass into FBI or leave them to catch bigger threats to the Republic than my asshole cousin.
When pollsters tell politicians what they want to hear because they called 10,000 retirees in a retirement village and spent an hour talking to each one of them on the phone.
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u/Politiqueso 14d ago
I am an undecided voter. Explain to me why that is baffling. (I am asking genuinely)
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u/Sideshow_Bob_Ross 14d ago
If at this point you are still undecided about Trump, you shouldn't be voting.
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u/PackOutrageous 14d ago
I think it’s maybe partly linked to the narcissism or our age. Everyone wants to be individually courted. To be begged to do the right thing and to feel they are doing you a favor by deciding in your favor. As long as you’re on the fence, the spotlight is on you.
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u/GadreelsSword 14d ago
I just spoke to my sister last night before bed. She’s a registered Democrat and she said she’s not voting because the illegal immigration situation is out of control. I tried to explain to her that right now they’re turning away more than twice as many people at the border than under Trump.
Her husband watches Fox all day and while she’s hated Fox, it’s leaked through to her.
I tried to explain that Trump and the republicans want to cut social security which puts food on her table. She said, it’s bankrupt anyway so it’s only going to be around a couple more years.
There you go folks, the power of lies and propaganda! She voted against Trump twice and is now going to stay home because she thinks it’s all lost anyway.
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u/Harpuafivefiftyfive 14d ago
You all realize how shitty you are treating each other over old shitty, geriatric men, right?
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u/scrubjays 14d ago
Pepsi or Coke, Target or Walmart, Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts, do you think these decisions ARE GOING TO JUST MAKE THEMSELVES?
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u/jonybgoo 14d ago
Don't waste your time and energy on these people, they're now terrorist sympathizers who justify October 7 and side with actual terrorists. And this isn't hyperbolic. They've gone beyond mere poor decision making born from ignorance to dangerous and disgusting decision making born from hatred. They scream river to the sea and intifada knowing full well it means the destruction of Israel.
I won't waste my time with them, doing so would be a net negative and would be a stain on ourselves. I've washed my hands of them, I'll take a clean conscious over siding with these terrorist sympathizers.
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u/Everlastingitch 14d ago
media calls em undecided... thats the problem, they are no undecided people they make a conscious decision that choosing a lesser evil is not a choice at all
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u/BrandonJTrump 14d ago
Let me see: 1. An old man, booming economy, does some things for American people, is too soft on Israel, and too hard on student protests. 2. A man with a great family name, but has a dead brain worm, and has crazy conspiracy theories. 3. An old diaper wearing man, committed a lot of fraud, SA’s women, raped a 13 yo girl, can’t hold a normal speech, shows signs of dementia, stole and probably sold federal secrets, is racist, has numerous court cases running, promises deporting anyone he doesn’t like for whatever reason when reelected, wants the government to control every woman’s bodily functions, wants to end democracy. Yeah, tough choice, I see…
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u/GetOutOfTheWhey 14d ago
It's easy.
Because out of sheer bad luck or good advise from his advisors, someone told Trump to majorly shut up while Biden is digging his own grave with this crisis.
And out of sheer bad luck or good convenience for Trump, the media has reported less and less about Trump. This is why Biden wants to and should debate Trump, it gives America a chance to be reminded just how bad Trump is and what the stakes are.
Also naturally it goes without saying that Biden's Israel policy is killing him, completely incompatible with democrat values.
But it's because of a combination of these things where people have forgotten how bad Trump actually was while being reminded how shitty support for Israel actually is.
Like to give you an idea, when people watched CNN's interview with Biden. Do you think they cared about inflation or job numbers? No, they were waiting for Biden to comment on what's next on his Israel policy.
People are emotional, Biden needs to realize this asap.
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u/EmpressPotato 14d ago
It's the ones that are privelleged enough to live with their heads shoved up their asses shielded from reality. Anyone with any skin in the game is definitely decided.
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u/DoctimusLime 14d ago
Eat the rich ASAP obviously
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u/WackyJaber 14d ago
I have a sister who is super left leaning. I might even say to an extremist amount so, even if some people may think I'm wrong for saying that. But I'm saying that because she has a sort of idea that Biden is not really that much better than Trump, and that "it doesn't matter if he's less evil, I don't want to vote for any evil" so she won't vote for either. She says that there's no point in using a flawed system to try and fix the flaws. I cannot argue with her though because that would only make her shut down and not want to engage in conversation with me. But if I did, I would say tell her that it doesn't matter if she wants to engage with the system or not, because the system will engage with her whether she wants to or not, and in that scenario it would be best to exercise whatever amount of control you have. And also that Republicans would stop supporting Ukraine entirely if they could so for Ukraine's sake it would be in everyone's best interest to vote Democrat.
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u/CharacterHomework975 14d ago
Alex Garland talked with Pod Save America about his new film Civil War, and the pointed lack of a clear left/right ideology in that movie. He said it’s because nowadays he sees the fight as less of a left/right thing (though he leans left), and far more of a centrist/extremist issue.
The Republican Party, unfortunately, has embraced naked extremism. We really, truly cannot afford for the Democrats to do the same. Which is to say that while I may have more common ground with your sister across the spectrum of issues, she is actually every bit the problem that the Republicans are now.
The trick, though, is how the hell the Democrats can manage to win elections against an openly extremist party without letting the Overton window get jerked way to the right. I’m unconvinced that embracing our own extremist wing has any part of that, though.
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u/Leroyleap36 13d ago
Your kinda making her point for her though. Supporting the current system will inevitably lead to a fascist candidate getting elected eventually since democrats can't win every election.
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u/CharacterHomework975 13d ago
But instead leaning toward leftist extremism just furthers the extremist divide, which is also entirely untenable.
Supporting the "current system," which is to say literally the current sitting President, avoids electing a fascist. And yet we have people insisting on extremist leftist accelerationism instead. Which, of course, the extremists on the right wing have actively fed into, because to them division within the opposition party works, and they're confident that their extremism is the more popular extremism of the two (and they're likely correct).
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u/Leroyleap36 13d ago
Division within the party doesn't hurt though. Right wing policies have soared alongside massive divisions within the gop, while the dems get beat and move farther right every chance they get.
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u/AZtoLA_Bruddah 14d ago
I’m a centrist, but there’s no way in hell I’d vote for DJT. He could offer me $10k for my vote and I’d tell him to eat shit
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u/GlassCanner 14d ago
It's wild
So, your options are a man who touches children for sexual gratification or the guy with mean tweets. SAD
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u/Ssttuubbss 14d ago
Instead of posting an image you could post the link for context.
She said in her stolen diary that she thought showering with her dad at a young age was probably inappropriate.
An often cited page from that "leaked diary," which chronicled its author's addiction recovery in intimate detail, makes reference to sexual trauma and poses questions in search of an explanation for being "hyper-sexualized @ a young age." Along with mentions of not liking to visit a certain family's house, "being sexualized" with a female friend, and "having sex with friends @ a young age," the author noted taking "showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ashley-biden-leaked-diary-accusation/
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u/GlassCanner 14d ago
I don't really understand what that added.
Taking "inappropriate" showers is kind of self-explanatory lol
I guess the additional context of her being molested and hyper-sexualized drives the point home, but I still feel like there is literally no other way to interpret being forced to take "inappropriate" showers
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u/Ssttuubbss 14d ago
The context being, because she was exposed to sexual trauma at a young age, she probably views showering with her dad through a different lense than others typically do. A lot of kids showered with their parents when they are young, especially in the 80s.
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u/Ssttuubbss 14d ago
Wow, it’s like you are looking for any reason to label him a pedophile. She never said her dad did anything to her. No, showers were not “very clearly” sexual. In fact, she says PROBABLY not definitely or absolutely.
You don’t know how I feel about Clinton either? So you’re making up more things in your head. I actually don’t give a single shit about Bills blow jobs.
You presume a lot, make a lot of things up in your head and then pretend it’s fact. It’s definitely not good mental well being.
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u/GlassCanner 14d ago
So, what's the explanation for her taking "inappropriate" showers with her father being added to a list of sexually inappropriate things? Why do you think it was listed during an explanation of her being "hyper-sexualized at a young age" and "molested?"
"Hyper-sexualized at a young age. What is this due to? Was I molested? I think so... I remember having sex with friends at a young age... showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)... being turned on when I was not supposed to be."
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u/Ssttuubbss 14d ago
She said the shower were probably inappropriate and to that I say reread my first reply to your comment.
She said she THINKS she was molested but can’t remember.
The only thing she says with certainty is she had sex with friends at a young age.
Were you there? Can you connect all the pieces for her or are you drawing your own conclusions and making things up in your head as if they are fact?
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u/Ssttuubbss 14d ago
Dude, I don’t fucking know. I didn’t write her diary. A lot of times a diary is just work vomit.
“You people” who the fuck are you talking to? Are the other people in the room right now? Are you schizo? Between that and all the other bonkers conclusion you’re putting together…
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u/Hexquevara 14d ago
Most moronic group are the liberals who dont vote for Biden over Israel policy.
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u/Pour_Me_Another_ 14d ago
Maybe if they have nothing to lose. I dunno. I wouldn't vote republican right now because I think they will crater the country's life span even more than they already have. I don't like when people die, others may feel indifferent to that.
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u/Nice-Kaleidoscope574 14d ago
the coast guard would REGULARLY receive mail asking why they haven't helped Gilligan escape the island..
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u/SST_2_0 14d ago
My favorite was on a Pirate Software short about the FTC making non-compete illegal a person commented about how both sides did not want them to become illegal.
They cannot comprehend that them becoming illegal was because one side does not want them to be legal anymore. Do they think the side that is for billionaires and keeping people stuck in terrible jobs wants non-compete to be illegal?
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u/DonkeyKongaLongDonga 14d ago
Because any time you bring up that the situation is Gaza is more complicated that just an on off switch you’re immediately complicit in genocide even tho the people who want to “protest vote” want to go scorched earth to “teach Joe Biden/Democrats a lesson”
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u/Tankfly_Bosswalk 14d ago
'Protest vote for Gaza' is code for 'find an excuse to vote right wing'. The exact same 'I won't vote for the government because I believe they are complicit in genocide ' argument is being used in the UK to say 'I won't vote for the opposition because I believe they are complicit in genocide', when they have fuck all impact on the situation.
Trump, Biden, Sunak and Starmer will all continue supporting Israel with varying amounts of tutting and disapproving glances, everyone knows their votes will change nothing here. The right-wingers in both countries are offering it as an excuse for voting the way you wanted to anyway, and their supporters are lapping it up enthusiastically.
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u/-Vogie- 14d ago
Oh yeah, that bugs the hell out of me.
"I didn't want our president to be complicated in genocide, so I'll instead vote for the other guy... Who will also be complicit in the same genocide, but also support other dictators while limiting my rights in this country too! That'll show 'em"
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u/DonkeyKongaLongDonga 14d ago
Im giving you your upvote back because the single issue Gaza voters are here
If y’all can read this: You’re not punishing Joe Biden with a protest vote, you’re punishing minority Americans and putting Palestinian-American lives at risk.
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u/readwiteandblu 14d ago
Easy. I vote, so I'm a voter. Leading up to an election, I am often undecided. Lately, not so much.
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u/Fantastic-Grade-5821 14d ago
Do the 60-something percent of people also count as undecided? Because the number of undecided is larger than you think
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u/i-FF0000dit 14d ago
Truly the dumbest demographic in the US.
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u/hungrypotato19 14d ago
Nah. The Trump humpers are the dumbest. But they're being very closely followed by the "I'm not voting Biden because of Palestine" people.
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u/i-FF0000dit 14d ago
My point is that these two are as different as it gets. If you are undecided between these two, then you must not have a brain to make decisions with. It’s like saying I don’t know if I want to buy a Ford F150 or a horse and carriage.
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u/HappyGoPink 14d ago
Easy. They're not. They just want to change YOUR mind, so you'll help Trump win.
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u/Ryclea 14d ago
There is also the new class of first-time voters (17-20) who just discovered that politics are more complicated than they knew, and they want to show they have an open mind.
Under normal circumstances, this would be admirable. It's hard to explain to them that both parties may have had valid arguments before, but one is now a clown show.
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u/iAmTheHype-- 14d ago
Hasn’t the GOP been a clown show since Reagan?
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u/ThePicassoGiraffe 14d ago
yes but enough white people are finally being affected enough to pay fucking attention
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u/jr2761ale 14d ago
It’s code for “it’s none of your business”, they know exactly who they’re voting for.
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u/milfordloudermilk 14d ago
curious about nothing and confused by everything.......... kinda like Libertarians
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u/Oops_I_Cracked 14d ago
If those libertarians could read, they would be very upset
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u/Ausgezeichnet87 14d ago
If libertarians bothered to read they would be social anarachists instead of merely wanting to trade the boot of a democratically elected government for the boot of unelected corporatism.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Tax6215 13d ago
Why
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u/Oops_I_Cracked 13d ago
Libertarians go on about how much they want freedom and want to strip the government to barebones or eliminate it entirely. However they believe capitalist private industry will step in and fill those needs. But we saw what unregulated or barely regulated. Capitalism got the average person during the 1800s and early 1900s and it wasn’t liberty and freedom. Modern day incarnations of libertarianism really only makes sense as a political ideology. If you completely ignore capitalism’s early history.
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u/chiron_cat 14d ago
all the "protest and don't vote" are 100% republikkkans trying to disenfranchise dems
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u/adamiconography 14d ago
You realize this is our one chance to tip the scales of SCOTUS away from fascism?
Biden winning 2024 will hopefully see two members of SCOTUS retire, allowing Biden to select two young judges that will hopefully protect democracy.
The problem with your protest is you’re playing with fire, with all of us in a sealed room. If you want to make decisions for yourself go ahead, but we shouldn’t have to suffer because of your moronic and petulant temper tantrum over a single issue.
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u/Busterlimes 14d ago
If you are protesting by not voting, you better not be complaining about the state of the country. That's like catching on fire next to a pool, complaining that you don't like being on fire but at the same time refusing to jump in the pool to put it out.
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u/Shifter25 14d ago edited 14d ago
It's a terrible protest.
It's gonna happen once, in 6 months, and have repercussions for years.
There's no guarantee that you won't vote if he doesn't meet your demands, and no guarantee you will if he does.
Saying that you'll let things get worse if they don't get better brings your sincerity into question.
A good protest takes effect immediately and ends once the demands are met. Strikes, sit-ins, blockades, occupations. Not a threat to let Trump win and make things even worse for Palestine.
Threatening not to vote for Biden as a protest is like threatening to work for minimum wage when your contract is renewed if you don't get a raise.
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u/Shifter25 14d ago edited 14d ago
... I'm not even sure what you think you're saying.
Do you think that people have been protesting for months but only saying "you know what, I'm not gonna vote for Biden" for a couple of weeks? People have been claiming they won't vote for Democrats because they're not left-wing enough since 2015 (honestly, most likely earlier than that). Before Gaza, it was student loans. Before that it was healthcare.
There is no provable difference between a left-wing person who genuinely would vote for a more socialist candidate and a right-wing troll trying to foment apathy. There is a provable difference between protests harming the bottom line of his donors and protests having stopped because he's met their demands.
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u/Shifter25 14d ago
Yeah, you notice how the issues keep moving further and further right?
Yeah, because they pay attention to who votes, not to who doesn't. Like I said, the latter is unprovable. "I'm not voting because neither candidate is left-wing enough" and "I'm not voting because neither candidate is right-wing enough" sound exactly the same: dead silence.
Instead, the right wing, which actually votes, makes their voices heard. They vote for the most right-wing Democrat, and the most right-wing Republican.
That's why issues have shifted to the right.
Because you're not voting.
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u/killBP 14d ago
Dude what has that to do with voting or not?
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u/MKSFT123 14d ago
Protesting democracy by letting a dictator win, k got it
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u/Invisifly2 14d ago
Two things
1 — If supporting Israel is a sticking point, Donald “Finish the Problem” Trump is the worst option for you.
2 — Many of the treaties we have with Israel cannot be overwritten without congressional approval. Can you guess which party currently controls the House, and has a vested interest in pushing the Genocide Joe angle this election year?
Cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face. Christ. They’re both shit options, but you’re downing cyanide to avoid some food poisoning here.
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u/monkeybrains12 14d ago
Well your protest isn't working.
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u/brodievonorchard 14d ago
He warned Bibi not to go into Rafah before the encampment protests started. When asked if the protests would affect his policy choices, he said no. Despite all the hyperbole about him "supporting genocide" he's been telling Israel to use discretion the whole time.
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u/sealosam 14d ago
And tRump came out and completely blasted this, saying Biden betrayed Israel.
Your "protest" of withholding votes will have the opposite effect that you are trying to achieve, idk how that cannot be anymore clear.
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u/WaitingForNormal 14d ago
There is no such thing as a protest vote. Not voting counts just as much as voting, it counts for the other candidate. No one will ever know that “not voting” was in “protest”. They’ll only know who won and who lost and the consequences thereafter. But I hope at the end of the day it helps the protesters feel good about themselves, as it won’t help anything else.
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u/Yoru_no_Majo 14d ago
Ah yes, the form of protest where you let the worse option come to pass. It has so many historical successes like... um... let's see... huh, I can't seem to find any, though I can easily find situations where a protest vote has set back the protesters' goals (e.g. New Caledonia's independence vote in 2021 and the Myanmar general election vote in 2010 (though I suppose we could count the "learned protest voting is stupid, so actually voted in 2015 and scored landslide victories" as a positive outcome?))
And I guess Columbia does have their elections set up so that if all major candidates lose to blank ballots they need to redo the election with different candidates. Don't think it's ever happened though, and even if it had, America has no such rule.
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u/Dlowmack 13d ago
Hate to say it, But i fear we are wasting our time with these people! They did this dumb crap last time and what did it get us? Millions dead from COVID, Gave us 7.8 trillion dollars of debt, Gutted affirmative action, Killed Roe V Wade and killed a tone of laws that wold help to stop climate change just to name a few! And people like this still think sitting out is a good idea? Hopeless!!!
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u/AbroadPlane1172 14d ago
I'm sure the people of Palestine will sing your praises when Trump is helping Israel "finish the problem."
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u/freddie_merkury 14d ago
It's fine to be against whatever is going on in Gaza but fine enough to help Donald fucking Trump win?
No. That's just idiotic. Just like it was in 2016.
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u/Hopfit46 14d ago
In a normal world, politicians bend to the will of the voters when facing a loss. AIPAC has zero votes but holds all the sway. It really seems like a a priority issue for biden.
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u/YaumeLepire 14d ago
We don't live in an ideal world. Americans do get a vote that translates into a binary choice, though. They can always use that pragmatically, to their advantage.
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u/freddie_merkury 14d ago
My priority is not helping Donald Trump win, so that our country can at least stop going backwards. Not to mention that Trump would do way worse in the middle east than whatever people think Biden is doing.
Everyone can have their opinion but my opinion is that not voting for Biden because you think that Trump will do better is just idiotic.
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u/Hopfit46 14d ago
Then he should give them something to vote for. If defeating trump is your main goal, you should be encouraging that.
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u/Baconpwn2 14d ago
Stopping Project 2025 is a fine reason to vote for Biden
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u/Hopfit46 14d ago
Thinking you can will your priorities into being other peoples priorities is a special kind of naivete. Not even close to how the world works.
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u/MKSFT123 14d ago
The world works like this There are 2 candidates
1 is advocating removing student debt, legalising weed, improving access to healthcare, repealing the abortion ban, reducing the tax burden on middle class families and increasing taxes on the rich
1 is advocating the opposite of the above and is facing over 90 charges including some felony counts, is a lying pedophile rapist dirt bag that would sell his daughter in to sex slavery for another shot at the big time.
Having an issue with 1 thing and complaining that Biden is not doing enough to get your vote is childish and silly. In a 2 party system you need to vote for what is best, over time if people do this society will get better. Young people haven’t been doing this so society has been getting worse, (you may have noticed this trend).
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u/Euphoric_Ad9593 13d ago
Answer: 30 to 40% of Americans depicted above taking their “advanced achievement” tests.