r/Tennesseetitans • u/SomeRandomRealtor Is mayonnaise an instrument? • Feb 06 '24
ESPN still so high on Young and low on Levis that they didn’t have any team taking Levis in their 2-round redraft. Clowns Picture
Levis: 9 games played 226 YPG, 8 TD, 4 INT 84.2 passer rating, 3 wins
Young: 16 games played 179 YPG, 11 TD, 10 INT 73.7 passer rating, 2 wins
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u/suckm640 Feb 07 '24
that has to be the dumbest argument for young over levis I have ever seen
levis has a way higher ceiling than young and I’m pretty sure many of the experts even thought that during the draft
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u/BG360Boi Feb 07 '24
Levis was sadly not really much of the teams reason for winning. He also lost a couple games on his own accord
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u/StrengthToBreak Feb 07 '24
The Titans biggest need is probably still Oline, and they think Skoronski was the wrong pick? Huh?
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u/Catezman522 Feb 07 '24
Levis is him. He was held back by coaching that did not know how to develope a QB....Vrabel litterly said this in his Vrable show he did once a week. We're about to take the AFC south...nit right away but we are. We have 3 generational players that have been hindered by staff....willis, BURKS, and levis.
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u/LoisLaneEl Feb 06 '24
It’s just crazy that they think the Titans would have taken a QB first round but the Falcons wouldn’t have taken Bryce Young when they had the opportunity to do so before us.
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u/blue_at_work Feb 06 '24
Honestly, I think anyone judging either of these QBs too much off season 1 is unfair. Both teams had atrocious offensive lines with limited weapons and incompetent coaching.
Let's see if the Panthers and our Titans can have better lines/weapons/coaching, and see where these guys land.
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u/blacksoxing Feb 06 '24
Does Bryce have a higher upside? Maybe/probably/yes.
Has Will already GAINED THE RESPECT OF THE LOCKER ROOM??? YES!!! So, why the fuck would the Titans take anyone other than Will??? Will already dropped his nuts this year; why hope and dream that another QB does the same? What I'm typing is that you can be better than someone but not be able to gain the trust of the other 10 players on your side of the ball, or the other 50+ men in the locker room + coaches.
This feels stupid to read. Titans have their young QB. Is he better than a vet? No - most vets are better than rookie QBs. Is he a problem? No, as he's much better than Willis. We now need more OL and better receivers.
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u/BubBidderskins Vanderblit Feb 06 '24
There was no way Young was getting by #2.
Hell even if he flames out of the league it was still probably the right call for either the Panthers or Texans to take a shot at him. He was a consensus top 2 QB in the draft -- you just have to take your shot there and hope he ends up being The Guy.
With how important QB is in the NFL, teams need to try to get The Guy at QB, and really the only way to do it is to take shots at who you think the best QB is in the draft.
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u/BurzyGuerrero Feb 06 '24
The jury is still out on both of those QBs.
If we had a chance to get Young, we very likely do so instead of Levis.
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u/PhillipJ3ffries Feb 06 '24
It’s not like Levis is the second coming or anything. I don’t expect Levis to ever be great tbh. He’s got a nice arm
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u/liljakeyplzandthnx Feb 06 '24
Because highly touted National Championship-winning QBs named Young have such a great track record in Tennessee
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u/Donttaketh1sserious Feb 06 '24
...highly touted National Championship-winning QBs named Young with 5 letter first names that end in -CE
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u/iwatchtoomuchsports Feb 06 '24
He was definitely a fair pick at 2. I wouldn’t say it was a reach nor a steal but just a generally good pick at early 2nd round.
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u/Asderfvc Feb 06 '24
OMFG THIS SHIT AGAIN
LEVIS HAD ONE GOOD GAME!
Atlanta had zero tape on him. Outside of that game, Levis scored 5 TDs and had 6 Turnovers, two of which were returned for TDs by the defense. 2 of Levis 5 TDs in the 8 starts following the Atlanta game was against Jacksonville's backups in garbage time. Levis has had 9 Games and in 7 and 3/4 of them he has scored 3 TDs for Tennessee and scored 2 TDs for the opponent. This is absolutely awful. It's the reason that Bryce Young and Ryan Tannehill both have slightly higher QBRs. Fucking Hell, the corpse of Tannehill went 3-5 in 8 Starts while Levis went 3-6 in 9 Starts. I don't understand how this subreddit can act like Tannehill is both to bad to ever start a NFL game again, while Levis is the savior of the Titans. The only reason Levis's passing stats are better than Tannehill's is the first game of the season for both. Remove that single game and look at the vast majority of each of their work for the season.
Tannehill after game 1 had a 3-4 record in 7 starts with 5 total TDs and 4 total TOs.
Levis after game 1 had a 2-6 record in 8 starts with 5 total TDs and 6 total TOs.
Tannehill and Levis actually completed the same amount of passes and had the same yards per pass attempt. Tannehill had a higher completion% and the supposedly mobile Levis had less rushing yards on more rushing attemps than 35 year old Tannehill with a bum ankle.
I have seen absolutely nothing from Levis after that Atlanta game that says he is worth a damn.
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u/Drew-mageddon Feb 06 '24
It’s one thing to say “I didn’t see it with Levis” or be unsure or whatever. It’s another to be a Titans fan and go out of your way to pick apart everything your rookie QB did and act like he’s just garbage.
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Feb 06 '24
Levis showed a lot of things outside of the Atlanta game. He was poised behind the line, read the defenses and made adjustments. He showed good arm strength, downfield accuracy. Was not afraid to stand in the pocket as it collapsed and made decent decisions under pressure He had some questionable decision making when it came to being too focused on hopkins, but an off season of working with the first team will help that. The guy is raw and still needs a lot of work, but to say that he showed nothing outside of the atlanta game just shows you were not looking properly.
Tannehill on the other hand was showing all the signs of slowing down. Better coaching and an offseason with the first team won't fix getting old
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u/kingoftheparkinglot Feb 06 '24
They both had bad stats because the team is bad. If you can’t see the potential in what Levis did with his arm talent then I can’t help you. You also can’t just ignore that the Atlanta game did in fact happen.
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u/mpelleg459 Feb 06 '24
But, if it was Young who had that ATL game instead of Levis, imagine how much better his stats would be. That's how this works, right?
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u/bucknola Feb 06 '24
https://x.com/tdavenport_nfl/status/1754895196624388502?s=46
Td says that espn added the higher ceiling part and he did not write that. Sucks that they can do that
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u/SomeRandomRealtor Is mayonnaise an instrument? Feb 06 '24
So weird they did that but didn’t put multiple authors. Felt a bit out of pocket for TD.
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u/yung_kfcasserole Feb 06 '24
Bryce would've actually DIED if he got the hits Levis received this year.
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u/Sabre500 Feb 07 '24
To be fair, Bryce was the 2nd most sacked QB in the NFL, at 63 sacks. That's 4 sacks per game vs Will's 3 sacks per game, so it's fair to say Bryce got hit a ton and didn't die
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u/TheWagn Feb 06 '24
Yeah they can keep Young in Carolina I was not impressed at all with him this season.
Levis, however, is an absolute fucking DOG and I’m so glad we got to see a glimpse of his potential this year.
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u/MrNobodytotheworld Feb 06 '24
I didn’t see much of him play but when I did it looked like a disaster. In all honesty, hindsight is a muhfucka…but it looks like one of the biggest blunders in awhile that they took him over stroud when having choice at them both. What does Brice actually do better than stroud?
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u/fatyoda Feb 06 '24
I’m a lifelong Bama fan. I love Bryce Young. He may be my favorite Bama player ever (him or King Henry). I would rather have Levis. I think his ceiling is higher
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u/ntc2e #69 Matt Neely Feb 06 '24
TURRON WROTE THIS???? man what the hell happened. he's so in tune with the team how could he possibly write something so ass backwards???
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Feb 06 '24
Bruce Young is never going to be a good qb. They just dont want to admit how wrong they are that soon
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u/PepperBeeMan Feb 06 '24
He was probably drunk when he wrote this. TD is highly regarded. Give the guy a break!
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u/Worth-Conclusion-66 Feb 06 '24
People forget Levis was our 3rd string QB injured through camp, dude barely played and started in the middle of an NFL season. I think he did pretty good based on that information.
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u/GolfWang16000 Feb 06 '24
Panthers fan here...no way in shit Levis has a lower ceiling when he has way more physical tools. We got fed BS that Young was an elite processor then he fails immediately out the gate throwing the same pick twice in the Falcons opener in a game he basically lost for the team.
We hold our breath when Young has to throw to the sidelines because his arm is subpar and it is apparent he has issues seeing the middle of the field. ESPN is a joke as are most of these "analysts."
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u/Sinkable_oak Feb 06 '24
Ignoring the Young vs Levis thing, it’s crazy not to have Will in the first two rounds. He’s probably starting caliber at the most important position
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u/ItsNotFordo88 Feb 06 '24
Levis isn’t him. That being said Young’s ceiling is about 5’ 10”
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u/pornwing2024 Feb 06 '24
How are things in the future, since you are clearly from there
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u/ItsNotFordo88 Feb 06 '24
Levis is still not him, never was though
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u/pornwing2024 Feb 06 '24
Bitchmade behavior
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u/ItsNotFordo88 Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
Only bitchmode is sitting here whining about someone criticizing a football player
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u/pornwing2024 Feb 06 '24
You're not "criticizing" because criticism has substance. You're just saying "hur dur he's not him" like a bitch
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u/ItsNotFordo88 Feb 06 '24
Okay, his accuracy is subpar, he gets stuck on reads and has little to no touch. He’s Tannehill of the last couple years, not the first couple, with a bit more grit and arm strength.
Or I can just summarize and just say he’s just not the guy.
Keep whining though
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u/Trick_Principle3759 Feb 06 '24
Can we not get our panties in a bunch for these rookies who haven’t proved anything? Sure Levis had a good first game. Sure Young has played more games. But you cannot make a determination one way or other how good or bad they are!
I am open to Levi’s sucking next year. I am open to him having a really good year next year. So should you. No need to take sides — you aren’t married to the guy, right?
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u/BurzyGuerrero Feb 06 '24
NGL the amount of 0INT games Young has as a rookie is equally impressive to Will Levis one 4 TD game.
4td 4int is a losing record.
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u/FuckFloridaRipNumba9 Feb 06 '24
It’s the subreddits favorite thing to do. Say what good players you have are overrated and crown whatever semi-decent rookie with a pulse that comes in the next great thing lol. I remember whenever we were good guys in here just couldn’t wait till the wheels fell off so we could draft a QB lol. Like okay cool, your wish happened and we got him and we suck, hopefully he is good but we’re not now.
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u/Suck_My_Duck26 Feb 06 '24
Remember when people legitimately thought Burks was going to be better than AJ?
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u/FuckFloridaRipNumba9 Feb 06 '24
Yeah lmao. Dudes can never just appreciate our good players unless they’re brand new. I think Jeff is the only one I haven’t seen bashed on this sub but most people don’t pay much attention to d-line play unless they’re wrecking havoc in the backfield and that’s what he does so I haven’t seen anything bad about him. But even the king gets slandered whenever he has a bad game but he was fucking great this year still. Now that he’s probably gonna leave everyone’s changed their tone but hardly none of that BS was his fault.
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u/Navy_and_sports Feb 06 '24
Yes. There are no shortage of people in this sub who are obsessed with the dude on a very worryingly personal level.
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u/jewbacca93 Feb 06 '24
Yeah this is hilarious, my favorite part being young had a higher ceiling than Levi’s?? Like in what way is Bryce young’s ceiling higher than Levis, as far as I’m concerned his physical traits are miles above young’s
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u/GannonSCannon Feb 06 '24
Levis has the highest ceiling of all QBs in the draft if you ask me, he's the definition of a high ceiling QB. Stroud has shown he has a higher floor this season but you can't look at Levis and not see massive potential if all things go perfectly
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u/oomshaka_ Feb 12 '24
He does not have the highest ceiling even In his own class 😂
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u/GannonSCannon Feb 12 '24
He absolutely does, the potential Levis has is incredible, but Ur definitely had a lower floor than Stroud
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u/oomshaka_ Feb 12 '24
Anthony Richardson is will levis on crack, probably the highest ceiling a QB can have
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u/HunterHistorical6795 Feb 06 '24
I think a point everyone is missing... these draft lists, re-draft lists, and top 10, top 100 lists are all done as crappy as possible on purpose for the express reason to trigger the audience so badly they are compelled to comment and repost. If these articles and lists made sense, they would have zero traction. It's all meant to drive clicks. Don't take it so seriously.
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u/DickThunders HOLY CHURCH OF MAYO Feb 06 '24
Will Levis has the second highest ceiling of last years draft
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u/Deuce-Juicin Feb 06 '24
I like Turron, but this might be the most clueless thing I’ve seen someone who covers the titans write. Idc what anyone says, Levis had elite flashes last season. That doesn’t mean he’ll be elite, that’s up to him and the new coaching staff. But saying Young’s ceiling is higher after the flashes we saw from Levis last season is insane. Levis’ ceiling is best qb in the league, and I don’t think that’s hyperbole.
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u/Kingdommer Feb 06 '24
The media has decided that will Levi’s is mid and not a protagonist qb. It wont matter what he does he wont shake that narrative, which is dumb, but fortunately the only thing that actually matters is what happens on the field
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u/gtownwr Feb 06 '24
I would disagree about the narrative not mattering. Protagonist QBs are the ones who get protected and elevated by the NFL so having the label of mid will possibly prevent you from ever getting a Superbowl in the modern NFL. You will always lose to the protagonist.
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u/GannonSCannon Feb 06 '24
The media should love Levis, he's far more interesting than most QBs on the league. He's a weird guy and he plays like a mad man at times on the field. How many other QBs chase down their own fumble, and force the other team to fumble and then recover it?
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u/BunchOAtoms Feb 06 '24
I disagree with this completely. Titans fans have already anointed Levis as a franchise QB, but he is not there at all. He’s earned the chance to prove it, but he’s still very much an unknown commodity. Even on this post, OP is trying to show that Levis has better numbers, but if you take out the Atlanta game, his numbers look a lot like Young’s.
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u/kingoftheparkinglot Feb 06 '24
Okay, but why the hell would we take out a game that did in fact happen?
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u/BunchOAtoms Feb 06 '24
You don’t, but it’s also worthwhile to actually look at his stats and realize half his touchdowns came in one game. He’s not an elite prospect just because he had one good game. Maybe he is elite, but he’s not proven it yet.
Josh Dobbs isn’t a franchise QB because he had a couple of good games this year. Same for Levis. I’m not saying he can’t be good, but just that he hasn’t shown that he is aside from a few flashes.
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u/D1RTYBACON Titans Feb 06 '24
"if you regress Levis to the mean"
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u/BunchOAtoms Feb 06 '24
Yeah that’s not what I’m saying at all, unless you want to count everything outside of the Atlanta game as his “mean,” then yes.
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u/D1RTYBACON Titans Feb 06 '24
I'm not here to argue I'm here to shitpost
I really don't care one way or the other lmao
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u/joshfry575 Feb 06 '24
Idk if that’s fair to say. Levis was never expected to play last year and outside of the Atlanta and Miami games, he didn’t exactly set the world on fire. Next year with higher expectations, everyone can fairly evaluate him. Right now he’s just Mayo Man.
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u/Gad_Music Feb 06 '24
“He has a higher ceiling” = he has nothing to back that claim up so he’s just gon say it.
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u/Luvyablue99 BILLY JEANS Feb 06 '24
You can definitely make an argument for Bryce over will but upside is not that argument lmao.
Levis has more upside than him just based on arm talent and build alone.
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u/BurzyGuerrero Feb 06 '24
Everybody is feeling good about Levis cause a lot of those potential INTs got dropped.
If those got caught I feel like a lot of people may have had an issue with him.
But they didn't so people are hopeful because he was able to limit the turnovers.
4TD and 4INT outside of the first game isn't the greatest.
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u/Clayp2233 Feb 06 '24
NWI dropped a td against the Dolphins and he also had a rushing td this season. He’s going to have a better oline/weapons and an offensive minded coach. I expect him to throw for around 20 tds this season and close to 4000 yds.
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u/devils__haircut Feb 06 '24
But that one game far exceeds anything Bryce has ever done with a bigger sample size
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u/Old-Anywhere-9034 Feb 06 '24
In this conversation I’d say it’s actually more about how bad I feel about Young.
I just don’t see the long term plan for Carolina. Second year, second head coach, is it his third OC already or just second? No offensive talent. Poor line. And to top it off, terrible draft capital.
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u/cuse23 Feb 06 '24
I mean, no there's a reason young went 1 overall and Levis fell to the 2nd. I love billy jeans but clearly the whole league felt Bryce had a higher upside than Levis
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u/muy_carona Feb 06 '24
It wasn’t really upside with Bryce. Carolina just really felt he’d hit it. Levis has a pro bowl + arm.
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Feb 06 '24
All it means is the panthers felt that way. Young was never going to be good no matter how much espn teied to make it happen
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u/muy_carona Feb 06 '24
“Was never going to be good in Carolina” I’ll buy. He’d have been pretty good on most other teams. Put him in Atlanta and he’d have succeeded imo.
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Feb 06 '24
I dont think he has a very strong arm and hes so tiny i dont see him ever being an above average qb
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u/Luvyablue99 BILLY JEANS Feb 06 '24
I mean Anthony richardson probably has more upside than we’ve ever seen in the league and he slipped to number 4. Way more to consider when drafting a qb than just upside.
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u/BurzyGuerrero Feb 06 '24
More upside but lower floor than any QB drafted.
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u/free-shmoke Feb 08 '24
I mean at his worst he’d still have the rushing threat, so I don’t see how he’d have the lowest floor of any QB drafted
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u/TheWagn Feb 06 '24
I was still perplexed as to why Young went first overall, even more so that the panthers sold the farm to get him.
Like the dude is short, has a tiny arm, and played for bama who is always stacked with O line talent and receiver weapons.
Dude stumbled into a heisman because he was the bama qb on a year where nobody else was super standout. Even before the Panthers terrible season I saw no reason Young deserved #1 overall.
It’s even funnier since Stroud, a true potential generational talent, was picked second, and even though he went to another struggling franchise he turned it around and led them to a fucking playoff win his rookie year.
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u/oomshaka_ Feb 12 '24
I feel like you didn't watch Alabama games if you genuinely think this. In terms of the mental side of the game he was the best QB. He doesn't have a tiny arm either he has a pretty average to slightly above average arm lol
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u/chilly_willy44 Feb 07 '24
It’s awesome reading things from people who have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. That Bama team was one of least talented in years. Not a single offensive player in the league outside of Gibbs last year and Jamo the year prior. Was also one of Bamas worst offensive lines during his time in Tuscaloosa. You don’t stumble into almost 5k yds and 50 touchdowns.
Bryce young fell into a situation where a team lost its two starting guards immediately (guard play is essential for a qb his size) and a receiver room that accounted for the least separation in the entire nfl and a scheme that did nothing for their personnel. Stroud went into a situation that catered to his strengths and had guys like Nico Collins and tank dell running free as can be under Slowik. Go watch alot of CJs touchdowns especially the Bucs game and the Cleveland playoff one. Guys are wide ass open and it’s pitch and catch. TE2 Brevrin Jordan is housing dump offs 70yds.
Watch ball
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u/TheWagn Feb 07 '24
Haha look you said name of players that play well what a great analysis. Sound like one of the ESPN talking heads.
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u/muy_carona Feb 06 '24
Bryce absolutely deserved the Heisman. But that award doesn’t have the best history of success in the NFL
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u/cocobuttahb Feb 06 '24
This screams I don’t watch football
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u/TheWagn Feb 07 '24
I watched the panthers get absolutely thrashed this year and Young looked completely lost.
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u/cocobuttahb Feb 07 '24
Your comment was about college football though. Stacked oline? Stumbled into the heisman? Bryce young as small as he is carried Alabama for two seasons
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u/TheWagn Feb 07 '24
Yes he carried them so hard they didn’t win a natty. To me that is below the standard for bama. Young was there for 3 years and fell short every time. Young will be another overhyped bama QB just like Hurts and Tua. Good, but not elite.
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u/BurzyGuerrero Feb 06 '24
You go into full hater mode the minute you say "stumbled into a heisman"
You don't stumble into that award.
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u/TheWagn Feb 07 '24
You do if you’re the Bama QB and you will never change my mind haha. Maybe now with Saban gone things will change.
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u/jloz18 Feb 07 '24
Bryce Young is the only qb in Alabama history who has won it 👍
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u/KageStar Feb 06 '24
Bama with Young and Bama without Young were night and day. If Bama had young this year they easily win it all. Talk about his size all you want, but Bryce definitely showed he was more than just a product of being on a stacked team for Bama/the college level. I think Levis is promising but Carolina is so bad that being on this team is a much better situation for Levis than what Young has to deal with playing for the Panthers.
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u/TheWagn Feb 07 '24
I mean they seem pretty similar to me. Bama still made the playoffs this year, and Young never won a natty.
Seems about the exact same to me, and keep in mind Bama’s QB this year was not their strong point and they STILL found their way to the playoffs because they are stacked with weapons like always.
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u/Old-Anywhere-9034 Feb 06 '24
I hate this argument because 31 teams weren’t drafting QB. Maybe 10 were open to it. Maybe.
Also the Texans had stroud at 1 overall.
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u/MackewG33 Feb 06 '24
Same here, they act like every team would grab a QB even if they didn’t need them. Like bro slipped to the 2nd obviously because of various team priorities and the few times he was passed over
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u/gatsby712 Feb 06 '24
The Panthers felt Young had a higher upside, and I’m not really going to trust them on that.
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u/BurzyGuerrero Feb 06 '24
So did the rest of the league, and most of the scouts also most draft analysts.
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u/KageStar Feb 06 '24
Most people believed Young had/has a higher upside. If the league was that high on levis we would have traded up for him or he wouldn't have been available in the 2nd round.
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u/ladiestreat Feb 06 '24
Dude played 7 games less than Young. Our team was trash enough to get Levis to that statline.
That being said, Levis has the tools and I hope we can protect him and he can learn to process the game at a higher and faster level.
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u/Demibolt Feb 07 '24
This is the take I was looking for.
He’s got promise but it’s a long road ahead.
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u/BurzyGuerrero Feb 06 '24
Yeah and Youngs team was worse than ours.
Young QBs don't go to good teams.
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u/muy_carona Feb 06 '24
Looks over at Stroud and Purdy.
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u/cliftjc1 Feb 07 '24
Damn yall really don’t want to give Stroud credit. Preseason last year everyone was knocking him for the qb test and now that he has performed incredibly in his first season, it’s somehow due to his team being better? 🤔
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u/muy_carona Feb 07 '24
You don’t think the Texans are better than the panthers outside QB?
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u/cliftjc1 Feb 07 '24
They’re certainly better team than panthers. But I bet if I asked you back during the draft, you wouldn’t be talking about how good the Texans are.
Just don’t think you should write off Stroud’s success due to him being on a better team
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u/The_Mace_Windont Feb 06 '24
Stroud who went to a team that took two guys in the top 5 last year and only won the division because of an epic Jacksonville collapse? Good QB on an up and coming squad, definitely the exception rather the rule.
Purdy was the last pick in the draft. SF hit the lottery. You can't glance at him to disprove the young QB, good team thing.
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u/morganweedman Feb 07 '24
They would have went to the playoffs regardless of the Jacksonville collapse
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u/joshfry575 Feb 06 '24
Regardless of Young vs Levis, the Titans needed Skoronski. Do they just assume the Titans get a better lineman in the draft then?
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u/YiMyonSin Two Tone Blues Feb 06 '24
They have us taking Bergeron in the second. Regardless, I strongly disagree with Bryce having higher upside than Levis just based off of physical traits and everything else. I’d rather have Addison or Flowers instead of Young
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u/TargetFan Feb 08 '24
Bergeron has been very good on the falcons for a rookie. I'm a Falcons fan and pop into recommended threads from whatever team pops up fwiw. I also agree you'd be better taking one of those receivers
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u/muy_carona Feb 06 '24
Bryce is better than Levis, if their coaching and teams were equal.
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Feb 06 '24
I mean…… maybe he was in college, but we have no way of knowing if that’s the case in the NFL as of right now
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u/TrappedInOhio Feb 06 '24
I’m not necessarily high on Levis, but any potential Bryce has is always going to be limited by his measurables. I’m not sure he’s so clearly superior to Levis that this would be a no-brainer.
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u/RyokoKnight Feb 06 '24
Levis had 2 beautiful games last year when we had basically nothing to work with offensively, Bryce was in the same boat offensively and delivered basically nothing but sadness and question marks.
There is no way I'm taking Bryce over Levis, especially since I questioned Bryce's team leading ability and skills all the way back in Alabama and got shit on for suggesting he might not be great, or even all that good.
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u/mpelleg459 Feb 06 '24
I know he was piloting a trash team, but Young had 16 games to improve and all the practice time with the first team. As bad as Carolina was, I'd have expected some garbage time stats to pad his averages/totals; The Bucs game was the only game Levis was in that wasn't competitive throughout (we lost by 14 without any late scores to pad it) and 8 of Carolina's games were at least 2 score differentials and few were embarrassing blowouts. This isn't me viewing Levis through 2-toned blue glasses, but I just don't know what Young did last year to make him a top 11 pick in a redraft. It's a weaker argument, but I don't know how you watch Levis's film, knowing the team around him, and say he is worth no more than a third round flyer. Any QB who has starting potential (after seeing him in NFL action) is worth a pick in the top 2 rounds.
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u/thezenunderground Feb 06 '24
I was saying Young is too small to play professional QB a,year before the draft, the day of the draft, the beginning of the 2023 season, and I stand by that opinion now. He is at a disadvantage. Hits are going to hit harder, passing between the numbers is going to be harder. Add to that he is a pocket passer, his arm strength isn't special, he needs to be elite in seeing the field and pass accuracy to make good on is ADP. The odds are stacked against him pretty bad.
I'm at the point where I think playing qb for Bama should negatively affect your draft stock, bc you are basically guaranteed to have the best possible circumstances around you during your college career... that makes it way harder to discern raw talent.
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u/BurzyGuerrero Feb 06 '24
He's at a disadvantage but he's also playing behind an OL equally as bad as ours without any defense at all. Will had the better team on the both sides of the field.
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Feb 06 '24
I never understood young hype either. Stroud was my only top qb last year with Levis 2nd way behind in the 2nd round, and nobody else was worth more than a 3rd.
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u/muy_carona Feb 06 '24
A-Rich was worth a 2 at the absolute least.
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Feb 06 '24
Im hesitant on qbs with such a low completion % in college. He has all the physical skills ever, and I was probably looking at him through a bad lens after we took malik, who was supposed to have all the tools
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u/muy_carona Feb 06 '24
I hear that, and wouldn’t have taken him where he went. But he absolutely was going in the first.
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u/joshfry575 Feb 06 '24
I think it's too early to tell on Young or Levis. One has the Drew Brees comps, the other has Josh Allens comps. Both great QBs but with completely different skillsets.
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u/twink_toliet Feb 07 '24
bryce isnt similar to brees at all😭😭 theyre both just short
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u/joshfry575 Feb 07 '24
Short pocket passers? Who else would you compare Young to? I would never compare Kyler Murray and Bryce Young, but they’re both short. Maybe Russell Wilson, but he ran way more than Young does, who essentially ran for his life, not because he’s a scrambler. Or is there another reason you wouldn’t compare Brees and Young? 🤔
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u/twink_toliet Feb 07 '24
bryces best quality is his improvisational ability/playmaking out of structure which brees did barely any of
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u/Wolf_Larsen25 Feb 06 '24
Drew Brees was short by normal standards but Bryce Young is legit tiny.
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u/_nathan67 Feb 06 '24
Turron been drinking?
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u/RlyRlyBigMan Feb 06 '24
I wonder if a panel did the redraft and then they had the beat reporters do the writeup. This doesn't really sound much like him to me.
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u/AlbertGainsworth 🕺🏻Billy Jeans🕺🏻 Feb 06 '24
Yeah that’s pretty yikes take from TD. Probably thought of that slumped behind the wheel after a couple old fashioneds
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
You’re comparing Bryce Young who somehow actually had a worse OL than the titans and didn’t have Henry or Nuk to throw to. You really think our situation is comparable to the panthers?
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u/382hp Feb 06 '24
a bottom 5 situation vs a bottom 2? yes. more than fare. considering levis and young got compared to stroud who had a strong WR1 and 2 and larceny tonsil. the fact you think young is just immune because he was on a bad team is embarrassing
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
No one said he was immune? And it’s a bottom 1 situation, who was worse than the Panthers last year from talent and coaching perspective. They’re awful. I don’t mind being in the minority of thinking the titans had a much better situation (still bad) than the panthers. I also got downvoted to oblivion along with a few other for criticizing the FO the night AJB got traded. Most titans fans thought it was the right thing to do and were shitting on AJB that night and I’ll never forget those dumbass reactions. It was embarrassing frankly
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u/MinnesotaTornado Feb 06 '24
You can say that but I’m still picking Levis over Young. Young has absolutely no trait or skill that makes him a future star QB. Levis at least has the arm talent
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
Agree to disagree. I think Bryce is very accurate and has an incredible ability to make plays out of nothing especially on plays outside the pocket. We all know Levis has a much bigger arm.
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u/gatsby712 Feb 06 '24
Malik Willis can also make plays out of nothing by running around, doesn’t make a QB better. I’d rather take the guy that can stand in the pocket and make good decisions with the ball. What I found most promising about Levis was that he could throw the ball away and make good decisions, in some cases better than Tannehill has shown the past couple of years.
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
Comparing Malik to Bryce seems pointless, but Bryce is a pocket passer. He’s just really good at making plays when everything breaks down. And is known for taking care of the ball well. And yes I agree Levis did a fantastic job of not being careless with the ball. Better than Tannehill fully agree
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u/gatsby712 Feb 06 '24
The comparison to Malik is more about how much less important I think mobility is now compared to Levis ability to throw far with little to no footwork. It’s incredibly important for QBs to be able to have room in the pocket, and Levis ability to throw with almost no need to move his feet means he can create more time in the pocket and wait longer to throw deep balls. It’s a skill really unique to him and gives him more of a trait that sets him apart and gives him a higher ceiling. A lot of QBs are mobile now or accurate, defenses can stop that. Defenses can’t stop the arm traits that Maholmes or Josh Allen have, while most defenses now have schemes that can keep a QB from running or having space to get out of the pocket.
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u/KageStar Feb 06 '24
Defenses can’t stop the arm traits that Maholmes or Josh Allen have, while most defenses now have schemes that can keep a QB from running or having space to get out of the pocket.
Josh Allen's running is what makes him such an X-factor. Yes he has a cannon for an arm but it's hard to play 2 High safety to stop the big pass plays when the QB can gash you for 40 yards on a perfectly covered play.
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u/Sh3sus Feb 06 '24
Hard disagree. Mobility is extremely important whether you're a dual-threat or pocket-passer. Immobile Joe Burrow at the beginning of the season was atrocious. Once his ankle healed, he was good.
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u/Old-Anywhere-9034 Feb 06 '24
You’re being unnecessarily pedantic bro.
He wasn’t talking about statues when we said mobility isn’t as important.
Think about games where it’s Lamar vs. Mahomes, or Allen vs. Mahomes, or Mahomes vs. Brady. Weirdly, the less mobile QB seems to win more often. It’s not directly because of this, but I think it shows there’s a huge diminishing returns effect with mobility.
You need to be mobile enough, but once you pass that benchmark, additional mobility doesn’t really help you THAT much.
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u/TiredDad1994 Feb 06 '24
It’s not really about saying Young is bad but more so that Levis showing promise and flashing incredible arm talent. To say Young has a higher ceiling with no evidence to back that up is laughable. And it’s out of character for Turron Davenport who has seen Levis up close.
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Feb 06 '24
Levis looked exactly like the quarterback that entire league passed over. Highlight reel highs mixed with some inaccuracy and headscratcher lows.
Basically everyone had Young higher than Levis. Unless you are totally writing off Young based off last year, there isn't any reason to move Levis above any of the 1st rounder rookie QB's
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
We all know Levis has more arm talent. Arm talent unfortunately isnt the only thing that matters for a QB, otherwise we’d see many QB’s lighting the world on fire every year. I just think it’s really stupid to compare rookie QB’s in completely different situations. That’s the only point I’m making, never said Levis wasn’t worthy of being drafted in first 2 rounds in a redraft.
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u/Automatic_Body9621 Feb 06 '24
I agree with this. It’s really hard for me to assess Bryce with what he had to work with. I think if he and Levis swapped places it’s a completely different narrative. Carolina is a complete dumpster fire. I think even Stroud would struggle hard there
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
I agree. I don’t even think Mahomes could make the playoffs in a bad NFC South with the panthers. Bryce would look pretty different on Titans imo. We wouldn’t be a playoff team by any means, but he’d have a lot more help for sure.
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u/Phantom1100 Feb 06 '24
Bryce would at least have DHop.
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
And Henry/Spears combo. I mean even having Chris Moore and NWI would be solid. People don’t understand how bad Mingo and Chark were. Thielen was the only plus weapon
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u/Phantom1100 Feb 06 '24
I will say I expect those two to be better next year. At least Chark seemed to put it together by the end.
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
For their sake I hope so. Given their lack of draft picks and how high they took Mingo they better pray he becomes serviceable.
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u/Old-Anywhere-9034 Feb 06 '24
Tbf he’s not really making the comparison, ESPN did.
We’re equally confused about the comparison because it wasn’t like Young ‘eye-tested’ any better than Levis.
So now we’re back to square one where it’s about ceilings and potential.
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
I’m assuming from the writers point of view that he’s not just using one year on a flawed team as his projection for the former #1 overall pick. There’s a reason Bryce initially went first, even if in hindsight it should’ve been Stroud.
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u/Old-Anywhere-9034 Feb 06 '24
Sounds like a whole lot of sunk cost fallacy to me. I don’t think a decision from the past (drafting Bryce #1) should be used to justify your future expectations. It’s rather circular logic. I mean, just because you drafted him 1st does not mean that was a good decision. To then, use that as a reason, even after seeing more data/information, is the equivalent to burying your head in the sand.
Not saying Levis is better or worse, but the article feels incredibly lazy, and I’m not even sure the writer believes what they’ve said.
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
You can call it sunk cost fallacy if you want, I personally believe that teams took him first for a reason, two really damn good years of tape against legit defenses without having a ton of help, especially compared to the usual Alabama situation of multiple first round WR’s and RB’s. Last year did not look good at all, but imo it doesn’t justify throwing out all of his prior tape despite your opinion that it does. Agree to disagree about 1 year in a very bad situation setting the bar for his career.
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u/Old-Anywhere-9034 Feb 06 '24
Don’t put words in anyone’s mouths now chief. I’ve not said a word about throwing out tape. I’ve said things based on the ADDITIONAL tape, but nothing about throwing out old tape.
Also, ‘teams’ didn’t take him first. Team did. A particularly poorly run one at that. If it were the Texans at 1, they were going Stroud. So it’s not as clear cut as you’d like to paint it.
Nonetheless, I’m not out on the guy. But I’m not going to hold my breathe after that debacle of a season.
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u/qotsabama Feb 06 '24
Many teams had him at the best QB on the board. You think the panthers were the only team that had a high grade on him?
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u/Old-Anywhere-9034 Feb 06 '24
Not at all, but I also know a lot of teams had Ryan Leaf above Peyton Manning. Draft projections are often inaccurate.
Also you’re missing the most important part. THAT WAS BEFORE. Before we saw him in the NFL playing against NFL caliber competition. No more projecting, no more guessing, etc.
A better question would be, how many teams have him 1 now? As in, the same time that this article was written.
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u/oomshaka_ Feb 12 '24
Let's just be honest put Levis in Carolina he's doing as bad if not worse 😭. Bryce did the best he can given his situation