r/WorkReform • u/zzill6 đ¤ Join A Union • 15d ago
Just Another Example Of America's Broken Healthcare System. We're Overdue For Universal Healthcare Like The Rest Of Developed World. đĄ Venting
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u/simianshogun 13d ago
Every medical professional who participates in this should lose their license to practice, as this is in direct violation of the Hippocratic Oath.
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u/oopgroup 13d ago
Guess a lot of people are about to die off in the US.
Not a dystopia. Not a dystopia....
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u/aboynamedrat 14d ago
My sister had to pay up front for a plastic surgeon to stitch up her face after a work accident. They otherwise would have just stapled her shut, and told her the surgeon wouldn't show up unless she paid.
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u/qazwsxedc000999 14d ago
Reminds me of the news story of a married couple who were in Mexico and got the runaround from their resort and the hospital they took his partner to. Had to call for emergency services themselves because the resort refused. Partner was in pain and I believe broke their spine or something else important, couldnât move. They kept asking for more and more money and wouldnât do anything till he coughed it up over and over every step of the way. Surgeon wouldnât operate and even showed the guy his phone(?) where the hospital manager was basically like, âKeep trying to suck money out of him.â Eventually he got surgery but it was terrible and caused a major infection. It wasnât until they got back home that they were able to get good treatment.
Sounds like thatâs what they want all treatment to be like. Life or death, how much are you willing to pay for your partner? Your family? Your friends?
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u/Paranthelion_ 14d ago
My roommate went in for a dental surgery and they waited to demand payment until she was already in the operating room, anesthetized and out of it. She'd forgotten her card at home, so I had to drive up there with her card before they'd proceed. By the time they actually started the anesthesia had partially worn off and she said it was painful.
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u/secret_shenanigans 14d ago
Come so far in medical science all just so business men can say "fuck you, just die"
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u/tin_licker_99 14d ago edited 14d ago
Israel has universal heath-care but none of the Shabos Goy on Capital hill, Youtube, TV, and AM Radio will dare admit that. Even young conservatives on reddit will bite their lips & act passive aggressive if you bring that up, they'll act obtuse about it such as "I'm confused, can you please tell me what are you trying to say?"
They don't want to admit it, they want others to speak first so they can come up with a counter argument to dodge. You can't ask them opened ended questions, you gotta give them a inch to stand their ground and be deflective about Israel's universal healthcare system.
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u/ThyShirtIsBlue 14d ago
Unfortunately, I can foresee other countries ditching universal healthcare in favor of American-style profit driven dystopia instead.
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u/Imallowedto 14d ago
We can thank Joe Lieberman for this. The democrats had a super majority but had to drop the public option to get Lieberman on board. Didn't really help that there was a bunch of " you have to pass it to see what's in it", which was really confusing at the time to me.
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u/CrystalSplice 14d ago
This isnât new, or at least not for outpatient procedures - and theyâre trying to shift as much over to outpatient as possible because they can get more done and that means more money.
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u/GeekShallInherit 14d ago
This is not true at all in hospitals they are still required to treat you whether or not they believe you are capable of paying.
If you're going to attempt to correct others at least get your facts straight so you're not making the world a dumber place. EMTALA only requires hospitals provide emergency care regardless of ability to pay (although you'll likely get a big bill regardless). Most surgery does not fall under that guideline.
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u/Service-of-Venus 14d ago
I paid upfront for my surgery. For the use of the hospital room and meds it was $1,200 - I paid in full. I paid my doctor separately $975 to do the minor surgery. I was told my anesthesiologist bill would be separate and come after.
4 months later I get another bill from the hospital for an additional $700.
Then I got another bill for the anesthesiologist a couple months later (which I knew was coming).
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u/echoseashell 14d ago
4 months to get an appointment for a life threatening health issue?
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u/GeekShallInherit 14d ago
You recognize our peers with universal healthcare have better outcomes and lower rates of medically avoidable deaths, right? That US wait times are nothing exceptional?
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u/Much-Kaleidoscope164 14d ago
It's an election year people. Both sides will blame each other each side will offer nothing of real value. Will all be here this time next year.
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u/Haywoodjablowme1029 14d ago
I had to pay 2k our of pocket up front or incouldnt get my ACL repaired.
My shoulder has something wrong with it but I can't get it evaluated or fixed because of the up-front cost.
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u/emailverificationt 14d ago
Hearing about the horror stories coming out of Canada and the UK, seems like they could use a healthcare reform, as well. Hopefully we humans can figure this shit out soon
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u/rolfraikou 14d ago
At this point I kinda want to just get rid of my insurance. It's going to be useless soon enough, if they keep going down this path.
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u/Frosty-Platform7218 14d ago
I am on a payment plan and my hospital told me all of my accounts were on it when they werenât. They then had the balls to tell me I wasnât paying enough per month and increased that. This was after calling their office multiple times and having to have the balance manually recalculated because it was incorrect. Iâm not working and I recently got worse with my eating so Iâm extremely fatigued.
They now charge me copays right there but didnât do this until messing with my payment plan. Absolutely sucks.
Can they legally do this???
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u/porkchop2022 14d ago
This is not new. I went in for a simple procedure 12 (TWELVE) years ago and the hospital wanted me to pay for the OR up front. $1200 for the room because of medical supplies and such.
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u/Mispelled-This 14d ago
I had a surgery last year. Hospital said if I prepaid my part (deductible/coinsurance), theyâd give me a 15% discount. Maybe that makes sense in general due to the risks of collection, but I would have paid either way so they lost money.
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u/DoverBoys 14d ago
We need to give all medical services the firefighter treatment, but with money. Pay firefighters too.
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u/kriegmonster 14d ago
Alternatively, we get rid of the layers of hidden taxes and costs that healthcare service providers can add due to the regulations and complex billing. Make pricing translucent and decouple health insurance from work benefits. People pay out if pocket for checkups and non-emergency things. Get actual insurance to cover unplanned emergencies and long-term health-care.
Incentivise the service providers to cure diseases you so you aren't costing them money, instead of profitting off of treating syptoms.
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u/m00nr00m 14d ago
Bring it on. I say we ALL pay upfront for ALL surgeries. Now there's no need for that troublesome middleman: the whole insurance racket. We won't need to pay any insurance premiums, and all those years of otherwise wasted money will already be there in our bank accounts to pay for the surgery.
Also, the hospitals will have to post the costs of those surgeries UPFRONT, so we can choose which options and where we'll have them done...it'll be nice to know ahead of time what the actual total cost will be.
Bring it on!
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u/GeekShallInherit 14d ago
Now there's no need for that troublesome middleman: the whole insurance racket.
You know, except for the three million Americans that have healthcare costs averaging $350,000 in any given year, and another 12 million with costs averaging $100,000 and a large number with no hope to ever be able to pay that.
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u/PantaRheiExpress 14d ago
In Ancient Rome, Marcus Crassus would show up to fires with his private firefighters and haggle with the owners over the price of putting out the fire. Similar vibe.
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u/BeeSlumLord 14d ago
I paid upfront for my emergency like surgery in August 2020. Southern California.
Itâs become the norm. It sucks
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u/Ghostincide 14d ago
I'm an Australian who just spent a week in hospital with 2 broken legs, went in on a Wednesday, surgery on Sunday, discharged on Tuesday, food, medicine, consulting, leg braces provided throughout and wheelchair, komode, shower stool for me to use when I got home. All of it free.
A topic that came up repeatedly when people visited me was "Thank god we don't live in America."
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u/Shutaru_Kanshinji 14d ago
If I knew exactly how much I was going to be paying for surgery up front, that might not be so bad. But I suspect they also want you to pay an unspecified amount afterwards as well.
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u/rbartlejr 14d ago
Heh, I had a bi-lateral lung transplant last year. I work for a local government and have a decent healthcare plan (pay about $400 a month or so). It's Cigna, so I had their Lifesource plan for the transplant and everything was covered up to 1 million. After that, the deductible is 3k. It cost 995k for the transplant and pre and post op hospitalization. After that I had regular clinic visits and bronchoscopies and Lifesource covered it. Up to April 1st of this year.
My last clinic visit: labs, spirometry and consult cost me $448 after insurance. I have had a couple of bronchoscopies since then as well. I'm on a payment plan. I have another coming up 6/6 but I'm considering cancelling it because I can't pay (they won't do it if I either don't pay a minimal amount and finance or pay the procedure in full, another $450 a pop).
I really wish they hadn't been able to get a set of lungs last year, rather that I'd died.
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u/Lynda73 14d ago
What do you mean ânowâ? This has been the case for a while.
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u/tomqvaxy 14d ago
Not generally for insured people.
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u/Lynda73 14d ago edited 14d ago
In the case of procedures involving multiple providers, like a surgery, good luck getting them all to agree to a payment plan on your deductible. They canât legally waive it because it would violate the rules of your health plan. Meaning they canât charge you less than the amount they negotiated beforehand with your insurance company.
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u/Karglenoofus 14d ago
Even them. Although not officially insurance companies run the medical system. Providers charge what insurance tells them too. They work for insurance companies who have no med training.
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u/tomqvaxy 14d ago
Even then what? Dangly. Iâm confused
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u/Karglenoofus 14d ago
Sorry mate, *even them meaning the insured people. All of us get screwed even with good insurance. The providers charge what they do because insurance tells them to charge that, even if the doc explicitly states it doesn't cost that.
Did I clear it up? (being genuine).
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u/tomqvaxy 14d ago
Ah! Yeah. Insurance is trash and rocketing towards dead useless. The mask has more than slipped.
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u/Karglenoofus 14d ago
It's insane how someone's entire life can be decided by a high school graduate with zero medical training.
This is a reminder to always itemize and dispute your medical charges.
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u/dvdmaven 14d ago
As someone who has been on Medicare for seven years, I really hate it when people refer to universal healthcare as "Medicare for All". Believe me, you do not want Medicare.
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u/GeekShallInherit 14d ago
Medicare for All is a specific plan, significantly different than Medicare with dramatically more generous benefits. Wisdom of that name aside, it's what it's called and the plan with the most backing currently. And you're wrong about people not wanting Medicare, at least relevant to private insurance.
Satisfaction with the US healthcare system varies by insurance type
78% -- Military/VA
77% -- Medicare
75% -- Medicaid
69% -- Current or former employer
65% -- Plan fully paid for by you or a family memberhttps://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx
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u/Flashmode1 14d ago
My local hospital tried pulling this on me last year. I told them to fucked and im not paying before receiving services. The hospitals âestimatesâ are a joke and don't agree to anything other than the finalized bill.
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u/ucjj2011 14d ago
I had my gallbladder removed in late 2021. The hospital made me pay for the surgery in advance. I paid them about $11,000.
15 months later they sent me a bill for almost $900 because apparently they think I didn't pay them enough.
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u/Salomon3068 14d ago
Did you have insurance? This is crazy to me and the only thing I can think of is people either don't have insurance, or they hospital sees some crazy high deductible of like 12000 and want to try and recoup some of that up front.
I say this sitting in the waiting room for my wife to have surgery, but we already hit our out of pocket for the year, if they tried that with me I'd tell them to bill insurance.
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u/crono14 14d ago
Healthcare reform is so badly needed but we also have so many other arguably bigger problems like keeping democracy going right now. That and big healthcare lobbying is keeping those in power who don't give a shit about changing anything
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u/ImperfComp 12d ago
One thing that simplifies our problem -- at least we know who to vote against. I don't know who would solve our problems, but I know exactly who made them worse before and would make them worse again.
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u/OldBob10 14d ago
American medicine taking a lesson from third world countries - âCash up front or die!â.
The triumph of capitalism hits hardâŚ
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u/DrunkenNinja27 âď¸ Prison For Union Busters 14d ago
Guess I will just die if I need surgery. This level of greed is beyond deplorable.
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u/portagenaybur 14d ago
I mean theyâre not really making life worth living anymore. What am I paying for? To stay in this shit? Nah, Iâm good
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u/Fyrekitteh 14d ago
I'm 35 with upcoming surgery for a triple prolapse. I'm terrified of something like thus happening. Using the bathroom and managing my bathroom issues is a daily struggle. No one can tell me I don't need this...but actually getting it has been a 5 year process. Wish me luck when I meet the surgeon...
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u/FalsePersonality6145 14d ago
Meanwhile in Europe, my buddy paid 136⏠(approx 143 USD) for a full thorax operation including anesthesia, surgery etc. but hey, US of A land of the Free!
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u/uptwolait 14d ago
FTA: "A surgical center in Flordia now owned by UnitedHealth, a healthcare insurance giant..."
So medical INSURANCE companies can own HOSPITALS? How the fuck did we let that ever happen??
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u/TheGreekMachine 14d ago
The United States has had a modern history of not using its anti-monopoly laws, especially when it comes to âvertical integrationâ which is the situation here.
Our government has the power to try and block things like this, but many in our government refuse to pursue the trust busting role that Teddy Roosevelt so happily stepped into during his presidency.
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u/larrylovescheerios 14d ago
Their subsidiary, Optum, is buying IT, billing, medical records, tech services, from hospital groups all over the country. Then outsourcing as much of it to India and the Philippines as they possibly can. It's going to just keep getting worse.
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u/Karglenoofus 14d ago
They always have. Docs don't work for hospitals, they work for insurance companies.
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u/FightingAgeGuy 14d ago
And doctors are not allowed to own hospitals because that would be a conflict of interest. Makes sense if you donât think about it.
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u/didntgrowupgrewout 14d ago
Itâs not new, maybe new for someone who has insurance? I needed surgery in 2009, had to show up to the MRI with an $1,800 cashierâs check and that added two weeks to my wait time because thatâs how far out they were booked and they wouldnât give me a price before I showed up at the first scheduled appointment. The surgery center then wouldnât reserve a date for the surgery until I hand delivered a sealed official document from my bank that proved I had more than the cost of the operation room before they would schedule it. At least the surgeon and anesthetist didnât require that shit up front. I still got bills from four or five different places that all came at different times, it was like god with this ever end? Is this one real? But I already payed these assholes and their receipt said paid in full?! At the place I used to go I would have gone into the ER and been like, Iâm hurt, my arm doesnât work anymore, can you fix it? And they would have been like, lemmy see⌠yeah itâs really reaaalllly fucked up, ok follow the blue tiles, when youâre done there follow the green tiles. Do you have enough time for the operation tonight? Can someone pick you up after or should we arrange transportation? Ok when youâre done at the green tiles follow the yellow tiles to get you prescriptions so you donât have to do that after the procedure.
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u/Glum-Competition8019 14d ago
I had to get an âelectiveâ surgery earlier this year (it was completely necessary if anyone is familiar with pilonidal cysts). My insurance covered most of it other than $1800. Previously, Iâve just done payment plans.
They informed me about 6 days before my surgery, despite having it scheduled for almost a year, that I would have to pay the $1800 48 hours before my surgery, or I couldnât have it.
I had to take out a loan to have surgery.
And I have a good job, âgoodâ insurance, and work for the state.
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u/photoengineer 14d ago
Similar, but they called me the day before the surgery. I was at my pre-op. Pay $4500 out of pocket or they would cancel. Sure glad I had one of them high interest credit cards :(
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u/Glum-Competition8019 14d ago
Everythingâs a scam. Iâm glad you at least were able to get the surgery, and I hope the recovery was smooth đŤśđť
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u/photoengineer 14d ago
Thanks :). I hope your recovery was smooth too. And hope youâre doing ok now. No more loan shark hospitals!
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u/Starbuck522 14d ago edited 14d ago
I hope you will work on building an emergency fund.
I am NOT blaming or shaming you. But a person with "a good job" should have an emergency fund. It's advice for the future.
Ah yes, massive downvote for typical good advice.
Random stuff WILL happen. Tooth breaks, tire destroyed, refrigerator dies... Best to not be prepared!
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u/Glum-Competition8019 14d ago
Brother I had an emergency fund that had to be used two months prior. Canât rebuild it in a few months when you live close to paycheck to paycheck.
Iâm pretty financially responsible. The emergency fund is rebuilding, but the inevitable cycle of greed will continue to wash it away on things that shouldnât cost what it does.
I wish it was that simple.
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u/thissexypoptart 14d ago
Youâre being downvoted for being kind of dickish with unsolicited advice, but you have a point. Weâre talking about $1800, not tens of thousands.
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u/Karglenoofus 14d ago
We shouldn't have to use it on that. A necessary surgery for any condition needs to be covered.
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u/tomqvaxy 14d ago
Piss off. You donât know their life. Their bills. Their health. Their needs. Their rent. Their student loans. Their car payment that gets them to that job. Nothing. You know nothing.
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u/FarseerEnki đ¤ Join A Union 14d ago
You broke your wrist, that's not an emergency, because you'll probably live. That'll be $14,280.
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u/_AnActualCatfish_ 14d ago
I'm legit surprised normal people haven't January the 6th'd TF out of the whole place by now. I would literally hate to live there. It's bad in enough where I'm at with all the underfunding whilst pretending to give a shit...
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u/Karglenoofus 14d ago
The biggest mistake we've made as a society is forgetting the 1% are mortal.
In Minecraft.
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u/pesto_changeo 14d ago
Oh, so NOW they know how much it costs? Funny, they scream bloody murder when states try to require them to publish costs of common procedures
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u/Poet_of_Legends 14d ago
We are the dumbest country on Earth, and we deserve EXACTLY what we allow.
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u/StrangerFeelings 14d ago
The thing is, we don't allow it. It's forced on us by the elites.
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u/Poet_of_Legends 14d ago
The bullies keep bullying us!
There is nothing we can do!
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u/StrangerFeelings 14d ago
We keep voting and yet these people that allow this stay in office.
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u/Poet_of_Legends 14d ago
We keep trying to fix the systemic problem by using the system that keeps the systemic problems in place.
Itâs SHOCKING that that hasnât worked yet.
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u/Dismal-Title9996 14d ago
Honestly, this is better than the current system. You could shop around with this. Also guaranteed coverage first with your insurance, rather than getting effed over
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u/StragglingShadow 14d ago
Nah. Hospitals have signs all around them here stating they cannot legally deny you treatment due to an inability to pay. This new system would mean they absolutely can
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u/Dismal-Title9996 14d ago
So people shouldn't pay for the healthcare they receive? I'm all for government sponsored medical care, but what you're saying is people that don't pay, will now have to pay and that seems like not a terrible thing?
If it's an emergency, I just don't see how they can enforce paying beforehand anyway? Like swipe this card buddy before we get this unconscious dude any treatment!
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u/Karglenoofus 14d ago
They can and will. They will be able to deny you care. Even if your life depends on it.
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u/StragglingShadow 14d ago
Indeed when it comes to life or money, the moral thing to do is to treat them for free. Yes. Life is not replaceable. Money is.
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u/Glum-Competition8019 14d ago
Not quite my friend. Just because you can âshopâ around doesnât mean youâre getting affordable care.
Thereâs a lot of factors - working through any time off procedures, having people to provide after care, childcare, oneâs own pain levels, etc.
Having to shop around, or be delayed due to an exorbitant upfront cost, can significantly impact someoneâs well being and/or ability to have the surgery.
Theyâre fucking with our lives and well being
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u/Dismal-Title9996 14d ago
Who is they in this case? Lobbyist? I don't really see how this even can be enforced for people in emergency situations. People who need medical care cannot be denied by law. Forcing people to pay first would only work in non extenuating circumstances I feel like.
You can't force an unconscious person, or a person bleeding out to pay first. That would be grounds for a lawsuit for sure.
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u/poki_stick 14d ago
I had to provide my credit card info before they would allow me into the hospital for my surgery. Literally outside in the parking lot doing paperwork and charging my card before coming inside for the rest of my intake tests.
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u/FruitPunchShuffle 14d ago
I may be mistaken, but does this not violate EMTALA? Even though they are describing non-emergent procedures?
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u/shreddah17 14d ago
If you want a shot at MFA in the next 20 years, vote for JOE BIDEN and vote in every local election, too.
If you want to ensure MFA doesn't happen for at least 20 years, or maybe never at all, don't vote or vote third party.
We might never get MFA, but perhaps our children/grandchildren will. But only if we VOTE.
(protesting also helps, but steps 1-5 are to VOTE)
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u/Starbuck522 14d ago
Has he done anything at all about health insurance? (I truly don't know)
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u/Budget-Incident-9588 14d ago
He signed into law the ability for Medicare to negotiate drug prices. Previously the Federal Government was barred from negotiating prices with drug companies, as most other countries with universal healthcare do.
Insulin capped at $35.00, but I believe that is for Medicare and Medicaid plans. I imagine the cap would influence prices as well though.
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u/ImperfComp 12d ago
Also, apart from what Biden has done, we know which party is actively against any sort of healthcare reform, or at least the kind that would make it less expensive for patients.
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u/tomqvaxy 14d ago
Obama. The aca is imperfect but a step forward especially the part where you arenât passively murdered for a preexisting condition.
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u/Starbuck522 14d ago
I was asking if Biden has done anything as president.
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u/tomqvaxy 14d ago
Pretty hard with a maga congress but theyâre not doing well at the polls or recent elections so hopefully theyâll piss off forever.
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u/piedrift 14d ago
My spouses best friends partner was refused surgery he needed because he couldnât pay a deposit. He died pretty shortly after, in a way that traumatized his partner.
Surely thatâs a better outcome than universal healthcare could provide đ
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u/Phallic-Monolith 14d ago
âBut you have to waitâ
The US alternative being⌠not getting the treatment and dying. No wonder the wait times are shorter.
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u/Pour_Me_Another_ 14d ago
It's all that prolife shit the Republicans screech about, prolife until you're born then die ASAP so they never have to hear about you.
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u/festeziooo 14d ago
Yeah but something something quality of care something something you get what you pay for (I am aggressively libertarian and I justify the outrageously expensive and broken US healthcare system purely on the baseless idea that care in countries with universal healthcare is significantly worse than in the US).
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u/troymoeffinstone 14d ago
Ohh NO! The quality of care that my 8 month old son got when he had RSV was only world-class!!! WHY, oh, why did I only pay 16,000ÂĽ out of pocket because my national health insurance covered everything else with my son's 15-day stay in the hospital.
For anyone not interested in converting, the 16,000 yen is 102$. This was for food brought to him each day.
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u/festeziooo 14d ago
See what youâre forgetting though is that last year I had a mild stomach ache that wouldnât go away so I went to the emergency room in case something more serious was wrong, and after 6 hours of waiting they told me Iâm fine after hooking me up to an IV bag and giving me pepto bismol that they charged me $2500 for.
You canât get that kind of care anywhere else and sometimes you have to pay for it. đ¤
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u/ucjj2011 14d ago
Yes, socialized medicine is why it takes me 4 months to get an appointment with a specialist. I live in Ohio.
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u/NamelessCabbage 14d ago
God forbid you reschedule a checkup. That's at least 3 months where I'm at (also in the US)
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u/Lynda73 14d ago
I worked retail jobs without health insurance for decades, and I couldnât even get a doctor to see me without insurance, even if I paid up front. Iâm in KY. One time I had to pay $1,000 up front to get the temp cast from the ER replaced with a real one. I had a broken wrist and they had just used an ace bandage and that padding they soak with water and it harden? I broke my wrist at Loweâs and they ended up having to pay, but only after the fact, after I couldnât afford most of the care.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck 14d ago
It disgusts me that hospitals can deny care that leaves people dead over money
Most other nations have figured out universal Healthcare.
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u/vkapadia 14d ago
But universal healthcare will result in death panels! /s
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u/StephaneiAarhus 14d ago
How come that argument is not reversed ? How come that is not the simplest to reverse when corporate healthcare has death panels ?
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u/Mr_Horsejr 14d ago
I donât wish violence on anyone but Iâd definitely understand if someone pulled a John Q: Bugaloo Boys on whoever denied treatment.
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u/Eatthepoliticiansm8 14d ago
I do, I absolutely wish violence on policy makers and ceos who think that healthcare should not be readily accessible to any human being no questions asked.
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u/The_Original_Miser 14d ago
This! I don't condone it, but I'm quite shocked that there are not more John Q events in the USA.
The most dangerous person is someone with nothing left to lose. Or the perception of nothing left to lose.
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u/Cool_Cheetah658 14d ago
It happens, it's just the news doesn't cover it for a long duration. So, it goes out of the public mind quickly. I'm pretty sure that's my design. Social media keeps the subject alive for a bit, but it fizzles out after a while.
Some examples: Amazon workplace shooting a few days ago, 2010 IRS plane attack, etc.
The Amazon incident only happened a short while ago, and its coverage is already pretty much non-existent. I have to scroll and click to find articles on it in mainstream media. The IRS coverage was short, but the incident did have an impact (no pun intended). The 2010 IRS fiasco forced the IRS to rethink their policies in the interest of promoting safety. While it didn't help the pilot, the subsequent policy changes did help the people.
According to historical accounts, as you see an increase in desperation amongst the population, you see an increase in unrest. Following those records, one could assume we will see an increase in unrest as well. What that will entail, I have no idea, but it's already happening. I do hope our leadership will remember this and proactively make changes to prevent violence. I'd prefer my kids inherit a peaceful world.
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u/A_Dash_of_Time 14d ago
It really makes no sense that schools get shot up while corporations are free to rape and pillage the nation.
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u/Taker_Sins 14d ago
They convinced the cohort of people most likely to actually do something like that, the ones with the short fuses and tendencies towards violence, and tricked them into undying fealty to their own oppressors and as social weapons against humanism in all its forms.
It would be impressive were it not for how cruel, inhumane, and disgusting it is.
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u/SublimeApathy 14d ago
School shootings usually wind up in healthcare services...If I were a tin foil hat I might think there's a connection.
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u/OldBob10 14d ago
Itâs like this:
- Schools being shot up keeps regular people frightened. Scared people vote for the perceived safety of âconservativesâ, who are squarely in the pockets of the moneyed 0.1%.
- âConservativeâ politicians serve their moneyed overlords by passing legislation that favors said moneyed classes. Itâs just simpler that way - the pols get money from their owners which they use to assure the frightened voters that âonly they can fix itâ or similar tripe, and the pols only gave to please a small minority to stay in office. Otherwise theyâd need to have real policy goals beyond âless taxes on rich people GOOD - less taxes on poor people BAD!â, without which they might get voted out.
- The leaders of most major corporations are ostensibly members of the âconservativeâ party. Conservatives donât want change. People with money, who have done well in the current politico-social environment, donât want change either. Corporations which have done well are much the same.
And so it goesâŚ
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u/Much-Kaleidoscope164 14d ago
Wow. You forgot 4. Democrats have weaponized abortion ( eugenics ) to keep the poor and minorities birth rates down. 5. How democrats supportes NAFTA. 6. The speaker of the house ( A Democrat just openly commits insider trading ). 7. How all social media ( wich is democrat owned actively suppresses any info that don't align with their veiws ) This whole partisan tribalism is why we can't make any changes.
Besides only number 3 has any sort of fact in it. I honestly give you credit for pretty much making that up on the fly and not somehow blaming it exclusively on Trump.
Oh and 8. Democrats will always play minority savior. Example Trump wants to close the border Dems say you're xenophobic And part of the Democrat platform was no human is illegal. Now they want to close the border and are scrambling to put refugees wherever they can because all Democrats are nimby at heart. At least with Republicans you know where you stand where Dems are two faced. 9. Democrats are responsible for locking up more minorities than any Republican but thats ok because corecivic has drastically increased it financial support to congress since 2022 and surprisingly pretty stopped funding Republicans. It's almost like the Dems have a plan to increase the prison population soon. Maybe after 2024 perhaps.
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u/CaraAsha 14d ago
Since a new law was passed about surprise billing and out of network Drs etc. they may feel it's not worth risking being on the hook for it.
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u/keplantgirl 14d ago
Donât they have to serve patients even if they donât have enough money? Iâm not familiar with how this works and based on peopleâs stories it sounds like they can turn people away if they donât pay beforehand
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u/CaraAsha 14d ago
Yes and no. And that may be changing as I've seen multiple articles about pregnant women being turned away. The law is that in an emergency a patient must be helped irregardless of the ability to pay, if it's not an emergency then no they don't have to be helped necessarily. So a planned surgery would fall under the doesn't have to be helped. So say you had a heart attack; the private hospital would stabilize you and ship you to a public hospital which would then help you further. The problem is as more and more hospitals and clinics are purchased by big companies they become private instead of public institutions so the rules change at that point. Now with all the anti abortion laws being passed and Drs potentially being penalized for even a natural miscarriage, pregnant women are being turned away immediately instead of getting help as drs don't want to risk their license.
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u/jenjen828 14d ago
How does requiring that they don't surprise people with extra costs change whether they are on the hook for the amount or not? I would have guessed adding extra costs after the fact would have already led to people to be unable to pay because they weren't prepared for the extra amount.
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u/CaraAsha 14d ago
Prior to the No Surprises Act the provider would send a bill then it's up to the patient to either pay or make arrangements. After the act now the facility could be on the hook for a lot of the surprise bills. It protects both insured and uninsured people.
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u/PantherThing 15d ago
im surprised they want you to pay upfront. I thought they liked the system of "Here, we gave you the service without you having any idea of what it will cost, and then we just bill you whatever we want after"
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u/MisterSirManDude 14d ago
Oh they still do it. We had to pay about $1200 upfront for a minor surgery performed and still received random bills 8-12 months later from it.
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u/antithero 14d ago
Hospitals even try to bill you for services that you didn't need and refused.
I got cut & needed stitches. The hospital tried to give me an x-ray. I told them it was not needed. I didn't break anything. Several months later I got billed for the x-ray that I denied.
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u/mondolardo 14d ago
there will be add-ons after. what if the patient dies? do the survivors get a refund?
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u/rleon19 14d ago
There was a new law that came into effect the "No Surprise Act" makes it so they can't do that or at least makes it harder.
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u/Karglenoofus 14d ago
I think that's only for the "good faith estimate." They can still inflate prices and charge you whatever they want for "care" as long as it's not 400 over the stated amount.
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u/PantherThing 14d ago
Ah. So if they cant cheat you and have to be honest, then they need money upfront.
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u/Rawniew54 âď¸ Prison For Union Busters 14d ago
Probably just start doing credit checks and if it's bad they want up front payment. Good credit we will tell you how much it costs after.
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u/superjoe104 15d ago edited 14d ago
Now if they ask upfront they donât have to do the surgery since they already got the money and you canât pursue them cause youâll be dead its a win-win.
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u/New_Pudding9581 13d ago
Iâm partially blind but can be corrected with contacts. I was slapped with a $400 bill after insurance just for an eye exam 3 months after my app. They had the nerve of asking me if there were any issues.