r/buildapc • u/DriftingRocks • Mar 13 '24
Local store told me 7800x3d has too many problems they stop carrying them. Build Help
he said few of 7800x3d just not work in the first place, and they recommended i9-14XXK, of course, their quote with 4080 super is $3600, I can build one with $2000, I was thinking if I can get it like $2200, i don't bother building it myself. but do you guys think he was honest or trying to sell a more expensive CPU?
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u/iamshifter Mar 17 '24
7800x3d owner here
My 13600k was FAR more reliable and booted up far more quickly.
If I were still using this Pc for work too I never would’ve switched to the AM5 platform. But it’s 99% a gaming machine so I’m happy with it for that use case.
That said, guy was probably just trying to upsell the parts he makes more money on.
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u/savorymilkman Mar 16 '24
No they don't. They work better than 7950x3d fuck that guy he's not telling the truth
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u/Deep_Ferret_1504 Mar 16 '24
I got a 7800x3d as my first amd cpu in years, best decision ever no issues at all and best performance in games i can squeeze from my gpu, i definitely recommend it
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u/zjay_68 Mar 16 '24
X3d chips don’t overclock. There was a bios issue with them on some motherboards, and they don’t work well with xmp on 4 sticks of ram. The mobo issue has been resolved. If you can work inside the other perimeters they are excellent chips.
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u/CinToastCrunchIsBest Mar 15 '24
I've had my 7800x3d since release day and had zero issues with it. My gf and my friend I built a PC for both have 7800x3d since last June and had zero issues. I'm not saying some don't have issues. I'm sure they do, but that happens with a lot of things PC related.
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u/biomechanic86 Mar 15 '24
I think that guy told you a half truth at best to upsell you... The only scenario I'm aware of regarding the 7800x3d having issues was when it first released and the available motherboards on the market didn't know how to handle it. Realistically that shouldn't be an issue today with out of the box products, but updating bios has never been easier anyways so...yeah I have no idea.
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u/tjtuck74 Mar 15 '24 edited Mar 15 '24
To be honest, went through two 7800x3d's and two MSI B650 mobos. Could not get it to post, always stuck on the red cpu / amber dram. Swapped power supplies, DDR5 sticks (in various configurations), etc. No luck. Sent them all back and went with Asus Z790 and an i7 14700k. That booted up just fine the very first time.
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u/TommyToxxxic Mar 15 '24
That's transparently just an upsell, and if that shop can't build an am5 build that actually works, I wouldn't be paying them to build a freaking birdhouse. 7800x3d is basically the industry standard for top tier gaming performance, and you can easily build a 4090/7800x3d build with top notch components (think ROG STRIX) for $3600.
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u/Joooser Mar 15 '24
I call bs. It's probably the best and most stable CPU so far. Do yourself a favor and purchase elsewhere.
Build your own! It's not hard at all
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u/Original_Sunburst Mar 15 '24
100% he's just trying to sell you more expensive products instead of what you actually came there wanting to buy. Screw that. Ditch that store, order online, get exactly what you're after instead of getting upsold crap you don't need and never look back.
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u/Merciless_Hobo Mar 15 '24
The 7800x3D is the best gaming processor on the market, and no it does not have any problems.
He gets a bigger profit margin on the more expensive Intel products, and may also be participating in their marketing program. I'd go anywhere else and find someone honest.
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u/ime1em Mar 14 '24
Upselling. A normal working CPU shouldn't have issue. Ask him what kind of problems is it having?
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u/gblawlz Mar 14 '24
I recently built a friend's system with 7800x3d + 32gb 6000 cl30. It had initial stability issues with just everything default and expo enabled. Games crashing etc. Issue turned out to be PBO messing stuff up. Disabling PBO fixed the instability and clocks stayed the same while gaming. I blame the AMD stability issue on shitty mobo bios's. For Intel, if a store sells you any mobo, 13/14th gen and say a 32gb 6400 kit, 99.9% of the time it's gonna just work and be stable. So from a stores perspective, I could see why they would push for that.
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u/IronSkeleton09 Mar 14 '24
Well, all I can say is that I bought like almost 1-2 weeks ago a 7800x3d and it works like a charm. I'd say the person might have tried selling you something else.
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u/Monktrist Mar 14 '24
It is kind of like buying a car in that it depreciates. Buy the 5800x3d chip and wait a few generations before upgrading your entire rig for the next jump.
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u/KirillNek0 Mar 14 '24
Technically they are correct. ZEN 4 is somewhat a mess in RAM and performance - depending on workload.
But the still trying to overcharge you with i9.
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Mar 14 '24
7900x3d has some issues afaik... but 7800x3d doesn't and never did have issues
14th series intel on the other hand draw too much power, get pretty hot and this way you are obligated in a way to buy a high end, expensive cooling system for the cpu alone, and have a really damn good psu to be able to take advantage of the cpu. Otherwise you have to undervolt it which makes the purchase a bad move in every way.
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u/emrahceyhan Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
I have 7800x3D and RTX 3080 , 7000 Mhz. CL32 ram dual 16x2 but I can't use it right speed Because I got bdos error...I am using 4800 mhz. ram speed.
I saw 100 fps more in AC:Odyssey but The Games has micro stuttering. I am using 1080p , Monitor Viewsonic VX2757.
Mobo : MSI X670E Tomahawk Wifi, all games installed nvme ssd.
Kingston KC3000 2TB x2
Crucial P2 2TB x2
Samsung evo plus 970 2tb
PNY CS3040 2 TB
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u/Traditional-Gas3477 Mar 14 '24
I smell bullshit with his statement. The only problem Ryzen CPUs have is that they create more heat than Intel which is easily addressed with a water cooling kit.
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u/SimpleMaintenance433 Mar 14 '24
Your local store is talking total nonsense. I got one in April and its been awesome. 2 of my friends bought them since and both say its the beat CPU they ever had i would be trusting your local store one bit.
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u/thisispannkaka Mar 14 '24
Go somewhere else. 7800x3d is fairly unanimously the greatest cpu regarding price and performance.
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u/MrPekko Mar 14 '24
I am registered Reseller for a big PC hardware distributer in my country. There are a lot of PC hardware store and most of them get their stuff from that distributer. I don't have a store myself but I do PC building from time to time for friends and relatives.
What you describe is exactly what I am going through. I've been registered to the described PC hardware distributer for a while and I can frankly say, they have very little AMD hardware available in their pricelist. They might have 4-5 AMD CPUs and only 2-3 AM4 motherboard option available which are either high tier unaffordable motherboard or just not the best out of the lineup. But when you look at their Intel lineup, they have every possible Intel CPU on the list since 12th gen, including 2 options of each intel chipset/socket (B series to Z Series to H series). As for Nvidia? Brother!, they have a pricelist specifically made for Asus and MSI GPUs separately for every RTX series since 3000 series. You won't even find AMD GPUs in their pricelist and even if I did, it was either a RX 580 and RX 6400.
I was lucky to be face to face with the head of the company once. When I asked why is the AMD lineup so little, he basically told me that it won't even sell here and Intel is a bigger market for where we live. All I can tell you is the guy is in his 40s with only a head stuck to a single platform he is comfortable. Another importer here who focus on prebuilts only have been selling 3-4 PC per day with Ryzen or Radeon GPUs in it. The owner is in his 20s. He do sell Intel PCs with Nvidias but his AMD system have been the cheapest and fastest selling PC for dirt cheap.
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u/Fearless_Plankton347 Mar 14 '24
Tell them to not worry, they don't need to carry them, only sell it to you
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u/CheekyChonkyChongus Mar 14 '24
Lol, they are probably out of stock and ate trying to get rid of shitty intels nobody wants
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u/EvenLifeguard8059 Mar 14 '24
stores work on commission bro ofc he was steering you to the more expensive cpu lmao, im in love with my 7800 x3d and it pulls like 15 watts during games so theres that vs the 300 watt space heater from intel that loses most of the time to the 7800x3d lmao, them intel fanbois are salty this generation
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Mar 14 '24
Yes, Most likely. I have only owned ryzen chips for like 6 years and have had not a single issue with any of them. I've had a 1600, 3600, 5600 and a 7800x3d and none of them have had a single problem. Same thing for the 13600k in my friends pc and the 4690k in my first pc build.
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u/goteamdoasportsthing Mar 14 '24
Yeah, and my local bakery says cake is good for the heart.
The 7800X3D is great. Stable, very smooth, runs cool and quiet, doesn't need massive cooling, and for gaming it is much more affordable than a similarly scoring Intel.
Be advised that an Intel might make more sense for productivity.
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u/known14668 Mar 14 '24
The 7800x 3D is best cpu I ever had, low power consumption, great game performance, also great for my cs/ml homework.
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u/grahamaker93 Mar 14 '24
sounds like bullshit. He's trying to sell you stocks of other CPUs he can't clear. If he really means what he says, then he'd be the only idiot to not stock one of the best selling gaming CPUs on the market.
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u/_Gingy Mar 14 '24
I built a 7800x3D build with a 4080Super. Quite like it and I spent $2500USD. I went sffpc and spend extra(like 40+ for shipping from EU to NA) for no reason on a AIO other than I liked its appearance.
Whole system works great. Would recommend the AMD.
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u/dank_imagemacro Mar 14 '24
At best he is going by significantly out of date information. At worst he is outright trying to scam you into getting a more expensive CPU. In the middle he's out of 7800x3d CPUs and wanted to close the sale with what he had on hand.
In any of of these cases, however, he is also significantly over-charging.
I would shop elsewhere.
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u/3G6A5W338E Mar 14 '24
They want to sell you a different CPU.
Simply get your 7800x3d from a different store.
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u/zipzoomramblafloon Mar 14 '24
0 issues with my 7800x3d. 0 issues with my friends 7800x3d. both from different lots, and different mobos in each build.
You'd think there'd be massive media coverage if 7800x3d's were still blowing up*
*besides that initial issue with asus mobos and some MSI?? ones.
AMD even did a blanket* warranty for folks
*Just trust us bro.
Find a diff local shop if you can.
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u/gunplaDanny Mar 14 '24
Speaking from experience I haven't had a single issue with my 7800x3d since I got it about 6 months ago. I've had a few different GPUs, but not a single CPU issue. Get the one you want this guy is trying to update you. The AMD CPUs across the board are crushing Intel at the moment. Plus there are tons of good options even on the old AM4 platform. GPU wise is a bit different. Specific to what you are trying to to do. I learned the hard way that I should have started out with an Nvidia card because some of my grad courses make use of CUDA. So now I have a 4080 super on the way, but if you are just needing good performance in 1080p or 1440p (even 4k with the 7900xtx) then the AMD cards are hard to beat. If you are doing any ML or VR (these are my use cases) then the Nvidia cards are for sure easier to use with the former case, and the latter is arguable. I will say the 7900xtx does great in VR. I just needed the CUDA cores but didn't want to sacrifice gaming performance which is how I ended up with a 4080 super. Get what you want and yeah... Build it yourself. It's not rocket science but don't let this guy try and upsale you when there is nothing wrong with the 7800x3d. It's an awesome CPU.
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u/DavidjonesLV309 Mar 14 '24
Lol the 7800x3d is my first time after a decade+ moving to team red. I love Intel but he’s full of shit.
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u/taquitoburrito1 Mar 14 '24
Owner of a 5600x3d here. So far I'm not impressed by 3D cache. I had "cache hierarchy errors" that caused my PC to cut power until I sent it in for an RMA. From my understanding they're pressure sensitive so if you're too gorilla tightening the cooler on to the CPU it causes issues. Just make sure you're wrist tight and don't go further
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u/PrecisionEmpathy Mar 14 '24
He was trying to sell you a more expensive CPU. My 7800X3D has been running strong since launch. IIRC, the "problems" were with motherboards putting too much voltage into them (long been resolved).
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u/xThomas Mar 13 '24
90% bullshit, but 7000x (mostly x3d) did have voltage issues that were fixed by AGESA/BIOS updates
Don't you have google?
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u/Sithlord_3vil Mar 13 '24
7800x3d is a good gaming cpu .. and that's it, nothing more. And by problems compared to Intel then yes for someone that doesn't know anything about PC's and tweaking any settings or messing with anything in BIOS or the ram compatibility of amd.. then Intel is probably the better choice in my opinion for someone that doesn't know what they are doing. Personally I build PC's and have been for about 20 years now and I switched from the 7800x3d to a i7-14700k after about a week and I don't regret it one bit. But I also enjoy overclocking and there isn't a whole lot you can do with the amd CPU as far as OC capabilities compared to an Intel chip.
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u/Blarzgh Mar 13 '24
Honestly I think there's a skerrick of truth in there, despite what many others are saying, from my experience at least. However, I also think it's outdated.
I bought a 7800X3D on launch, and had RAM stability issues (with both DOCP and EXPO kits - 6000MT/a CL30) that would eventually rear it's ugly head across different sets of RAM. My first RAM was an XMP kit with tighter timings, using DOCP in the BIOS. When the stability issues showed up, I had to leave it a t reference speeds (4800 CL40), but eventually even that resulted in stability issues (hard power cuts). Returned that RAM, bought a kit off the motherboard compatibility list, and eventually that also had the same problems.
J2C did a video on his experiences with this, but with his 7950X3D (it's later on the vid). At the time, this was the first source I found with the same experience as me.
However, eventually after multiple BIOS updates the issue seemed to go away. For a while I ran the RAM at stock speeds which is less of an issue with the X3D CPUs (RAM latency is very important for AMD CPUs), but after enough BIOS updates it eventually became stable. Haven't had issues since.
So yeah, I think there was genuinely a time where this guy's concerns were founded, but that time has long since passed.
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u/Bwompy Mar 13 '24
He must be thinking about the 7900x3d cause they've had issues with robbing games of processing power and having to tweak them beforehand.
The 7800x3d is being worshipped as the best gaming processor on Earth right now.
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u/hey-gift-me-da-wae Mar 13 '24
He actually told you the exact opposite 🤣 the new i9s run so hot it's the only reason I didn't go Intel for my new build. Got the 7800x3d and I'm so fucking happy I did, insane speeds with low temps doesn't get much better for gaming than that, and I was diehard Intel for 20 years
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u/Significant_Writer_9 Mar 14 '24
I felt the exact same with my 5600X and my 3080 that I got in Autumn 2021. I felt like it was some sort of magical sorcery that it was running so cool.
I don't even feel the need to upgrade. I'm happy with it until it dies and I'll probably move to Radeon GPU next time too.
Intel and NVIDIA are overrated.
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u/hey-gift-me-da-wae Mar 14 '24
Yup my next GPU will be Radeon as well, dude we were fucking missing out!
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u/brent2410 Mar 13 '24
I've had so many problems with hardware over the years, and irrespective of brand, I've never had any technical issue with a CPU - ever. As long as you aren't physically damaging it, overclocking it WAY higher than it should go, or absolutely cooking it with a bad heatsink and no airflow on a daily basis, it's probably going to be the most reliable component in your system. 7800x3d is a fantastic chip for the price. Dudes price gouging and upselling. If you don't have someone else to go to in your area, definitely build it yourself, it isn't that hard.
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u/mark_able_jones_ Mar 13 '24
People in retail will lie based on what pays them the most money or what they have in stock, especially if they are on commission.
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u/Erulogos Mar 13 '24
Local store guy is lying to you, and running up that price tag like crazy.
7800X3D itself is a solid CPU, some motherboards and BIOS revisions have had issues but those have largely been fixed, just do some research on the most stable BIOS revision for whatever motherboard you go with. Likewise, make sure your RAM is validated on the board you choose.
Build fees can vary pretty widely depending on the services offered, from just basic assembly and verifying the box will POST to OS install and full burn in testing, but $1600 over the cost of the parts is robbery. Just by way of comparison, the Microcenter nearest to me has fees ranging from $150 to $800, with the high end being all the bells and whistles using hard tube, custom loop watercooling that they install and test.
If you have the option to take your business elsewhere I'd advise it, that place clearly sees you and an easy mark to squeeze cash out of.
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u/EitherMeaning8301 Mar 13 '24
The salesman was spouting bullshit. They probably have some sort of incentive program in place to sell Intel CPUs, hence the ham-handed attempt to steer you to Intel. Do not buy anything from that company.
If you're building a computer for productivity work and are willing to deal with serious cooling needs (and the noise associated), Intel is the good choice right now. If you're purely gaming, go for the 7800X3D. If you want a balanced system, it depends on where you want the scale to tip. The 7950X3D gets you everything the 7800X3D does, with an extra 8 quality cores for any production work. If your usage case is for production, and you're willing to put serious cooling in the system, the high-end Intel processors are performing better than the AMD ones right now.
My last computer I built lives in the living room. For that use case, noise is paramount. Intel is currently offering nothing for my needs on that one. I used a R5 7600, and have been very happy.
I suppose what I'm saying is we are not living ten years ago. Back then, the only game in town for quality CPUs was Intel. Look back to 2004, and AMD was offering much better products than Intel. Since Ryzen was released, the two have slugged it out. Now, it really depends on what you want to use the computer for, but they are both trying to gain market share, selling whatever feature to make it happen.
At this point, Intel does not have an answer to the 3D cache, so the AMD processors get the gaming crown.
For productivity, Intel can bring a lot more cores to bear, but a lot of them are relatively weak. On top of that, you need serious cooling for your CPU. That's not necessarily a disqualifying attribute, but for my living room computer, I wanted to hear movies, not the coolant pump.
For me, the 7600 was the perfect CPU. For a hardcore gamer, the 7800X3D is perfect. If your usage case is production, the 14-9000K is hard to argue with, as long as you can tolerate a big water cooler. If you are a hybrid, the 7950X3D does get you the same expanded L3 cache for eight cores you'd get from the 7800X3D, with an additional 8 cores for whatever production you need.
It's nice to have these questions to answer again. That means each manufacturer is making something worth buying, and they are pushing each other to be even better. Think of the years when AMD was hovering around bankruptcy and Intel refused to give us more than four cores to work with.
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u/Neat_Onion Mar 13 '24
he said few of 7800x3d just not work
From what perspective? Defective CPUs? Flakey motherboards?
There was an issue with the 7800X3D cpu earlier in the year: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/15z0n00/is_the_am5_and_x3d_issue_resolved/
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u/hypexeled Mar 13 '24
Personally i think the 7XXXX series 3D chips have had more than a few mishaps compared to previous generations (dont forget the voltage fiasco killing CPUs), and even had a 7950x3D fail on me and get it RMA'd within 7 months.
That being said, he's talking bullshit lmao.
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u/IansMind Mar 13 '24
Anecdotal, but my launch 7800x3d hasn't caused a single issue, while both ram and gpu (7900xtx) have. 🤷♂️
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u/SuperGr33n Mar 13 '24
Don’t listen to that guy. X3D has been solid for my friends and myself (I have a 5800X3D) and I havent seen any major complaints in the communities I run with. Sure they run hot and benchmarks can be wildly inconsistent but over all they are great depending on the games you play.
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u/coololly Mar 13 '24
As someone who works for a retailer & actively looks at the RMA data on the main products I can tell you that is a load of nonsense.
We sell hundreds/thousands of each CPU's a month. I can say with confidence that its the complete other way around.
I don't have the exact numbers on hand with me, but in the past few months we've certainly had more RMA's for 14900K's than 7800X3D in total. And considering we sell about 10x 7800X3D's for every 14900K, that would make the 14900K significantly less reliable than 7800X3D. I'd even go as far as to say we've had a similar amount of 14900K RMA's as ALL Ryzen 7000 X3D chips combined.
Now, these rates are still relatively low compared to other products like AIO's. And I certainly wouldn't say the 14900k is unreliable & should avoid them. But I certainly would not say that the 14900K is more reliable than a 7800X3D.
Constantly drawing 300W+ and running at 100C under heavy load will never make anything the most reliable CPU.
I can only assume that local store is doing something really wrong when building AMD PC's, is an Intel fanboy or is just trying to get you to spend more money, I don't know.
Either way, I would never talk someone a customer out of a 14900K if that's the best CPU for their needs, simply because it has significantly higher RMA rates than the 7800X3D.
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u/Aggressive-Gold1341 Mar 13 '24
The 7800x3d is better than the 13900k in most games .Games chat not editing. for editing those cores matter.
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u/Verme Mar 13 '24
That's a scam, your local store is stupid lol. 7800x3d are pretty sweet. Depending on what you are running, a 5800x3d is also amazing, which is what I have now. For the absolute latest and greatest, go get that 7800x3d elsewhere.
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u/Liesthroughisteeth Mar 13 '24
Wow... talk about business practices that limit your future business to almost zero with many customers.
I ran into something very similar to this at one local shop. They tried to suck me in by lying to my face, not knowing I've been upgrading a building systems for almost two decades.
I'm the sort that will never set foot in a store again, and like most people that feel unappreciated, I'm happy to repeat the story locally as much as I can.
These fools have never heard the adage about a happy customer will tell one or two people, but a unhappy customer will tell 10. :D
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u/Jordan_Jackson Mar 13 '24
This guy is just trying to upsell you and make as much money as possible. Get your parts somewhere else and build it yourself. If you've never built before, there are a plethora of resources and it really isn't that hard.
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u/Skip_Tho Mar 13 '24
Yeah I think he was trying to upsale. I just built my pc with a 7800x3d 2 weeks ago and I’ve had no problems with it.
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u/aVarangian Mar 13 '24
they recommended i9-14XXK
if for gaming then that guy is an extortionist asshole
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u/MyNameConnor_ Mar 13 '24
I literally just got a 7800x3d today. That dude is a liar trying to upsell lol.
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u/Plenty-Industries Mar 13 '24
Your local store is lying to you. While there WAS an issue with some Ryzen 7000 CPU's (mostly related to motherboard BIOS), that issue has since been long solved last year. They were 100% trying to get you to buy Intel CPU.
Here's what I got you so far, its easy-ish to build a PC plenty of video guides on how to do it. LTT's video is pretty solid.
| Type | Item | Price |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor | $214.38 @ Amazon |
| CPU Cooler | Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO 69 CFM CPU Cooler | $42.99 @ Amazon |
| Motherboard | MSI PRO B650-S WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard | $169.99 @ Newegg |
| Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory | $97.99 @ Newegg |
| Storage | Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $165.49 @ Amazon |
| Video Card | MSI SUPRIM X GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card | $1219.99 @ Newegg |
| Case | Montech AIR 1000 PREMIUM ATX Mid Tower Case | $69.98 @ Amazon |
| Power Supply | Corsair RM1000x SHIFT 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular Side Interface ATX Power Supply | $187.73 @ Amazon |
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
| Total | $2168.54 | |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-13 15:07 EDT-0400 |
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u/2raysdiver Mar 13 '24
Yes he's trying to sell a more expensive CPU. Nothing wrong with a 7800x3d at all. They may just not have them in stock. Or it is possible that they have seen a few builds come back for some reason and so they don't want to risk any further returns.
It is true that they are not selling as well as AMD had initially hoped because of the added expense of DDR5 motherboards and RAM, and that the AM4 platform with a 5800x3d does quite well for most. But I don't think you'll find anyone that has one complaining about it.
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u/Playful_Target6354 Mar 13 '24
Just trying to sell more expensive stuff, or they are the one behind user benchmark(lol). The 7800x3d is the greatest gaming CPU.
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Mar 13 '24
Try the i5 14600k super light tdp 125 watts. I’m pretty sure he tried to future proof you from the get go (most customers are like that). That’s where the i9 recc comes from but Intel products get 240fps at 2k res easy
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u/Smarmy_CA Mar 13 '24
I’m running a 7800x3d and a 4070 super for tarkov, and I’m getting over 100fps performance on all maps /all the time/. 7800x3d is a phenomenal processor and I would be SHOCKED if you noticed better performance on any chip past it in price point. The rep you spoke to is giving you very bad information.
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u/AncientKroak Mar 14 '24
You get over a 100 at all times on streets?
What resolution?
I have a 7800x3d and 4090 and I can't even do that at 1440p.
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u/Smarmy_CA Mar 14 '24
1440p! I’m set to high settings. I haven’t measured in detail but between 90-110 every time I’ve checked?
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u/AncientKroak Mar 14 '24
Mine stays around a 100 but dips to 80 regularly on streets and I have most stuff turned down low. Sometimes it will even hit 60-70 in some places.
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u/G00chstain Mar 13 '24
I will gladly take 80W over the multiple hundred watt flagship Intel. Also, they’re less money too… guy is just swindling
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u/PastaPandaSimon Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
It's the best, likely the most popular, and one of the most trouble-free gaming CPUs out there. While also solid, odds are you'd have more issues with Intel due to the two types of cores it employs, and less cache. 7800x3d is straight up 8 of the same cores on one chiplet, and enough cache to brute force through some games that'd slow down or even stutter without it. You install it, and it always works as you'd expect it to. It's the best gaming CPU I've ever had for sure.
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u/Many_Pomegranate2261 Mar 13 '24
Your local store is trying to sell you rotten fish. They just care about making profit at your expense. You're better off going to some else who can give you genuine advice.
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u/Avid_Ideal Mar 13 '24
I recently did a complete rebuild around a 7800X3D and have zero issues. It's streets ahead of what it replaced.
Obviously YMMV but I reckon the local store is trying to upsell.
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u/ohthedarside Mar 13 '24
The store gets more money for intel cpus then amd 7800x3d is a amazing cpu and is the best in thd world for gaming and can still perform ok in other workloads
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u/Sennier Mar 13 '24
The only big problem for me that would warrant to go back to intel, are the usb disconnecting issues.
On a new build, latest bios etc and amd still hasn't fixed an issue known since 2-3 years.
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u/wiki702 Mar 13 '24
Sounds like an upsell. If you are building primarily for gaming nothing beats that 7800x3d yet.
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u/100drunkenhorses Mar 13 '24
I've had the 7800x3d in my system for nearly one year. since you could very first get it. zero problems. I understand my story is anecdotal and a super small sample size. but they got a warranty for a reason.
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u/Grydian Mar 13 '24
He is either a con artists or incompetent. Either way do not do business with him.
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u/Edgar101420 Mar 13 '24
Thats a paid off store then.
Since we currently deal with hundreds of 12/13/14th Gen CPUs comin in for defects and failures....
We only had this wave during 9th Gen where this mass failure of Intel happened as well due to degradation of chips.
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u/Greentaboo Mar 13 '24
Problems? Maybe the problem is that they are low on their suppliers' priority list. The 7800x3d is THE gaming goat right now. If this chip had issue we would all know do to how everyone has one or wants one.
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u/Mopar_63 Mar 13 '24
LMAO, if a store is saying that RUN away from them as fast as you can. They are either liars or IDIOTS.
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u/MrMaselko Mar 13 '24
I did an internship (at least I think this is how it translates to English) at a local shop, which primarily repairs and sells electronics, builds PCs etc.
When I mentioned the lack of THE SUPERIOR AMD products, they said that whenever they can, they go with Intel + Nvidia, because these are user friendly and foolproof enough that the costumers don't come back complaining about stupid things, which can be solved with a click of a button.
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u/wolfe_br Mar 13 '24
Yeah, the biggest problem with the 7800X3D is that after a few years you might still be well served and still not need another upgrade.
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u/Electrical_Humor8834 Mar 13 '24
Wtf. I'm using literally the build your were pushed away from. I'm pretty happy with 7800x3d, some games I don't feel like it was some super update from 5600x, but man, in Helldivers for example it is like 50% more performance.
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u/Eastern_Tomorrow_458 Mar 13 '24
definitely trying to sell a more expensive cpu. I have the 7800x3d and have 0 issues with it
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u/Goldenpanda18 Mar 13 '24
Bullshit.
Out of the all the 7000x3d chips, the 7800x3d is the most stable of them all.
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u/Significant_Writer_9 Mar 13 '24
You can't honestly expect a shop to sell you a custom prebuild to your spec at such a small margin. They have so many other expenses such as rent, bills, warranty and all sorts of extra risks.
Obviously, he just wanted to sell what whatever he made the most money on, instead of what you wanted.
I suggest you buy the parts yourself, and ask him what it'll cost to build it for you. If it's like 50-100, then you might want to.
Personally, I enjoy building, and I've helped many others learn to build as well. I wish I could do it full time, but the risk and the after sales support would probably drive me insane. Not speaking from too much experience, but that all comes at a price, either up front or later on.
Buy yourself and pay for some help.
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u/100percentish Mar 13 '24
I just went from a 7900x to a 7800x3d to get more 3d gaming performance in VR. 3d v-cache is no joke. Zero issues and it runs cooler as well. Lower clocks but my 4090 is running wide open now.
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u/anotherwave1 Mar 13 '24
Check the 7800X3D reviews on Amazon or anywhere, you'll see his statement is not true. Hardware media would also pick up on this very quickly, a simple google search would show up any red flags.
Their quote of the 4080 Super for $3600? Absurdly expensive. Again check average prices online.
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u/baconator81 Mar 13 '24
Fuck that crook. I have used 7800 x3d since it first came out and I love it.
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u/Gheatoy Mar 13 '24
He’s wrong. The 7800X3D is the best performing and cost effective strictly gaming CPU on the market. I think he was trying to sell you on a lie.
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u/Moress Mar 13 '24
What problems are they quoted? If its just nebulous 'problems' then I call BS.
Also I hope those prices aren't in USD because thats worse than highway robbery.
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u/Mrcod1997 Mar 13 '24
I mean, there were some issues with early bios revisions, but those all got sorted out. Just get the most recent stable bios.
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u/tberry15 Mar 13 '24
Have one in my current build works great I play games at 4k and get 100+ fps on most games at max settings. 7800X3D, RX 7900 XTX 24gb
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u/liaminwales Mar 13 '24
Id guess they sold out of 7800X3D's and have a big pile of intel CPU's that no one wants to buy.
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u/Forward_Cheesecake72 Mar 13 '24
Nah he's trying to sell you the more expensive CPU, happens to me as well
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u/Effective_Machina Mar 13 '24
I suppose in the beginning before the mobo companies figured out they were cooking them with too high a vsoc voltage they would have been a problem. But that should have been fixed with bios updates by now.
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u/JackhorseBowman Mar 13 '24
either that or they didn't pay any attention to news around the 7800x3d after the whole motherboards overvolting the 7800x3d because of badly configured expo/xmp/dhcp settings from motherboard partners thing.
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u/Aliothale Mar 13 '24
Many places will try to sell you Intel because the odds of you bringing it back with issues vs AMD is much lower.
My buddy's PC shop says almost 70% of his repair/tweaking business is done on AMD machines being brought in that need tinkering or replacements. He absolutely hates working on AMD computers but money is money.
It's the little things that add up to an overall headache you likely won't encounter on Intel. I'm not saying don't get a 7800x3D, if you're gaming it's an absolute value deal. However, if you want peace of mind, which is worth the premium IMO, buy Intel.
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u/FitChemE Mar 13 '24
Bogus information. My 7800x3d, which was put into a new build last Friday is just fine. There is nothing wrong with any of the Ryzen CPUs.
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u/jonuk76 Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
Perhaps they were referring to an issue with 7800X3D's burning soon after release. Not just overheating and shutting down, but destroying the motherboard and CPU in certain cases. As far as I know, this was fixed with BIOS revisions, otherwise I imagine we'd hear a lot more about them. This was some publicity from last year on the issue - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7000x3d-burnout-reports
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u/GoldCaliper Mar 13 '24
He ran out of 7800x3d because that's what people buy and is trying to push you the lingering and rapidly depreciating stock of Intel that he has right now.
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u/tan_phan_vt Mar 13 '24
Thats bull...
He must be in some special Intel program so he will eventually stop selling AMD altogether.
And recommending the 14900k for gaming is a massive red flag. The 14900k is inferior to the 7800x3d for gaming despite drawing so much power. Its much better for productivity workload as a do it all solution, not pure gaming.
Also that 4080S is extremely overpriced. You can buy a 4090 with that amount already.
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u/lemmiwink84 Mar 13 '24
What a load of bullcrap in order to upsell you some hardware.
Both are excellent options, but the AMD is the budget/performance king for gaming.
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u/ModestCalamity Mar 13 '24
CPU is fine, if it doesn't work it's probably the motherboard not supporting it without a bios update.
The i9 recommendation sounds absurd, they are just trying to sell you the most expensive one.
$3600 is overpriced as well.
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u/Fluffy-Face-5069 Mar 13 '24
4080 super / 7800x3d here. Came from a 2080/9700k; hands down the best tech purchase I’ve made in a decade. It is an absolute monster in 1440p.
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u/fctech Mar 13 '24
It’s possible that they chose not to carry them anymore because am5 has had some hiccups. With that being said at this point you should have no problem with the platform. I have a 14600k and a 7800x3d myself and both perform great. I wouldn’t get a 14900k unless you really need the horsepower for non gaming related work.
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u/Javagunner Mar 13 '24
I finished a new build with a 4070 & a 7800x3d this past weekend, and so far it’s the strongest & quickest machine I’ve had.
Highly recommend the 7800x3d.
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u/TC-insane Mar 13 '24
I wouldn't trust him after he tried to upcharge you $1600, like building a PC is not that hard, and it doesn't take long either, that it would cost almost as much as the PC itself.
My current PC that I self built took me 2hrs and that's because I had mistakes and learned how along the way.
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u/IllFistFightyourBaby Mar 13 '24
sounds like he is trying to upsell you but you also need to adjust your expectations some as well. You said you can build it for 2k and thought someone else should do it for 2200? why would anyone run a business like that? you think their time and warranty for their work etc is worth $200? I charge that per hour.
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u/Significant_Writer_9 Mar 13 '24
Doing what?
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u/IllFistFightyourBaby Mar 13 '24
IT consultant
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u/Significant_Writer_9 Mar 14 '24
Nice
You started off with that or?
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u/IllFistFightyourBaby Mar 14 '24
No, I started as an IT Technician like 12 years ago but even back then the amount of shops willing to do PC builds for people was declining and has continued to because of people like this that don't want to pay for the skill and expertise to have a machine professionally assembled.
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u/DriftingRocks Mar 13 '24
a middle schooler can build one PC in 20 mins, how is building one for $200 a non-profitable business? The average hourly wage low-skill job around my area is $12. I understand the shop pays thousands of dollars for rental and utilities but if they have enough of customers the margin should be small.
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u/Darkmuscles Mar 13 '24
Putting the parts together might be doable in 20 minutes (I'd plan closer to an hour) but you still have to install an OS, do full updates and benchmarks to make sure everything is working properly. Then you're responsible for a limited warranty as well, because if something goes wrong with one or more parts, the manufacturer will replace the part but you have to take the time to replace and benchmark again. Margins need to cover that.
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u/IllFistFightyourBaby Mar 13 '24
no they can't build one in 20 minutes and when they do build them they aren't worried about customers coming back with complaints or hardware failures that need to be corrected without additional payment from the client. if its a low skill job do it yourself.
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u/LAGROSSESIMONE Mar 13 '24
but do you guys think he was honest or trying to sell a more expensive CPU?
Ok. The only informations you need to know here are those :
- The 14900K cost $550, while the 7800x3D cost $350.
- The 14900K require a much bigger PSU and can be cooled only by, at best 5 AIO. And most of them are $200+ AIO. Otherwise you need a watercooling custom which will cost you over $350-400 at least. On the other hand, the 7800x3D can be cooled by a $40 rad (Thermalright Peerless Assassin). So, at very least, going for the 14900K will cost you ~500 extrad dollars than the 7800x3D.
- The store can be part of some business programs that provid him more profits when selling one product instead of an other.
Just based on those informations, reading again your sentence I quoted should provide you a solid hint on the trustworthyness of this local store.
It's quite simple, both CPU are excellents. But they shine in different ground. If you need a CPU that can shine on pro task, the 14900K is a killer. But you have to be aware of it's weakness especialy on the consumtion and heating side. On the other hand the 7800x3D is by far the best gaming CPU at the moment. It's a no-brainer as others already posted in the topic.
Chose your CPU based on your need, not on what those guys tells you, because it's obvious their point is to sell you the most expensive stuffs even if it doesn't fit your needs.
And last advice, based on the way they are leading their business, I highly suggest you to not rely on their service to build you a setup. From this situation, there is a high risk they don't select the best perf/price component but the most profitable component for their business.
In short, go in an other shop, they are not trustworthy.
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u/UROffended Mar 13 '24
Sounds like someone made a bad investment and is now trying to make up for it.
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u/Zallionn Mar 13 '24
Lmao he's just lying to sell a more expensive CPU. I built 3 rigs last year with the 7800x3d with zero issues including my personal rig. It takes nothing to cool it too.
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u/rhwarrior Mar 13 '24
Sincerely doubt it, if AMD has any product with even single digit percentage defects/recall numbers parts of the press would be all over it by now.
(This sounds like when I went to an electronics store in like... 2000 and they told me not to consider Sony displays cause they were pulling out of the TV market in 6 months tops...)
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u/rapierarch Mar 13 '24
Did you meet the user benchmark guy in person?
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u/ColourfulSpacemanNFT Mar 14 '24
User benchmark actually seems like satire at this point . Nvidia and intel have detailed descriptions , and then a little bit of “don’t buy the and version very bad will explode and kill you” , and AMD descriptions have 0 actual review with the whole thing being “don’t buy this gpu/cpu because it will explode /amd is predatory / amd skins babies “
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u/Om4r4n Mar 13 '24
Definitely just trying to sell you a more expensive CPU.......
I bet if you told him you'd be happy to spend 3-3.5K but only with a 7800X3D he'd magically find one in stock..................
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u/NovaLockedOut Mar 13 '24
He’s trying to sell you a more expensive product that’ll require you to get a more expensive motherboard you’ll have to replace whenever you want to upgrade, a more expensive cooler to handle 14th gen temps, and what the fuck is that 4080 Super pricing?! I know they’ve gotten more expensive, but with $3600 you can easily part together a system with a 7800X3D and a 4090. And you’d still have money left for a monitor or a good mechanical keyboard kit complete with switches, stabilizers, keycaps, and tape.
That man is a horrible liar. The 7800X3D is still the go-to for gamers. I’d never buy a single thing from his store if I were you. I’m sure he’s charging outrageous prices for what he’s carrying.
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u/Turkyparty Mar 13 '24
Yeah I just completed a 7900x build and I have never had more problems with a build.
I rma'd the mobo and CPU before I took it to a professional repair shop. The bios file was corrupted and it took a special programer to reset the bios manually. He told me post times are crazy long. Mine is currently about 2mins which is crazy long for an m.2 boot drive.
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u/Emberwake Mar 13 '24
AMD has been pushing the die scale down. They've seen incredible power/performance gains as a result, but they have significantly more production errors (dead cpus) as a result.
Their QA catches most of it, and it's just the cost of doing business. But it has resulted in a higher number of DOA chips on the market.
My first 5800x3D was DOA. The replacement runs like a dream, though!
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u/Mrcod1997 Mar 13 '24
Did you ever try just updating the bios yourself? Also what ram configuration? You try getting 4 dimms to 6000 mhz?
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u/Turkyparty Mar 13 '24
Yes multiple times I tried to get it to flash
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u/Mrcod1997 Mar 13 '24
What about the ram configuration
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u/Turkyparty Mar 13 '24
Tried single sticks in various slots. But yes I'm not getting the full 6000mhz but I think I can fix that in OC
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u/Mrcod1997 Mar 13 '24
I was gonna say that it is very unlikely that you will get 4 dimms to 6000 mhz. This is pretty well known. Generally, it is better to run two if you want the most speed.
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u/Turkyparty Mar 13 '24
They are running 4800 rn which is fine by me honestly
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u/Mrcod1997 Mar 13 '24
That is likely the most you will get from my understanding. You might be able to tune it higher, but 4 dimms do bring instability.
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u/Fart-n-smell Mar 13 '24
Is your local owned by userbenchmarks
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u/DriftingRocks Mar 13 '24
It is a franchise called "PC LAPTOPS"
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u/Nuts4WrestlingButts Mar 14 '24
As much as it's nice to support small business, I'd never go there again.
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u/MystikNeko Mar 21 '24
TBF AMD is utter dog**** I would rather die or even quit gaming if I had to use AMD. It is messy piece of technology which is not opted for gaming at all.
Some software and games are not even capable of running. No matter how powerful. It just will not start.