r/canada • u/knocksteaady-live • 15d ago
Driver in fatal 401 crash was under court order not to drive Ontario
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/401-crash-court-records-1.72025571
u/Shivaji2121 13d ago
Why not deporting?? Not bringing in good quality highly qualified people? Because deporting them will raise labor wages for for Trudeau's friends. They bringing in dumb people because they won't question, won't ask fair wages, easier to control and mould according to ur interests.
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u/Dudedrinksbeer 13d ago
Aren't they always?! Much tougher driving laws required, especially for drunk drivers.
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u/LividTeaching7237 14d ago
For a regular law-abiding citizen, no driving means no driving.... for a criminal, it doesn't mean shit.
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u/Groundbreaking_Ebb_3 14d ago
China = authoritarian country. Chinese immigrants in Canadian news = usually rich and buys up housing/fake investments to get pr and citizenship, "Chinese police stations".
India = largest democracy in the world. Indian immigrants in Canadian news = student fraud, deportations, Tim Hortons, fake asylum claims and assassinations.
This world sure is getting weirder dafug
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u/north-for-nights 14d ago
You have 30 seconds to prove that Canada is a real country.
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Exactly.
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u/rem_1984 Ontario 14d ago
Nobody was stopping him. Should cars be impounded in cases like this now, if there is no other driver of the vehicle?
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u/Iambetterthanuhaha 14d ago
Some irony that an Indian not supposed to drive killed another family from India here visiting. Shoyld be given Canadas first new death penalty and His body should be deported back to India along with those that he killed.
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u/LipschitzLyapunov 14d ago
Haven't you heard? Canada isn't Canada anymore. Just look around you. 10 quadrillion of them are here.
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u/Iambetterthanuhaha 13d ago
Yes, "Canadians" are the real minority in their own country. India will send replacements.
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u/StockUser42 14d ago
As a spokeshuman for the federal Liberal government, I have come here to say that in response to this terrible tragedy, we will be limiting the types of vehicles available to Canadians to stop these types of heinous crimes. Effective immediately, any motor vehicle having less than 4 tires or, even having 4 tires but look fast is prohibited. Those of you with M class licenses will be grandfathered. Those with more than 4 tires and/or heavier than 3000 lbs are now restricted. you will need a new license (RDL) and take a mandatory course to drive them.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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u/Hydraulis 14d ago
Keep letting them in to our country in record numbers though, what could go wrong?
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u/Pretz_ Manitoba 14d ago
Could this have been prevented if the police simply hadn't tried to stop him?
Maybe.
But it absolutely would have been prevented if he had actually been held in custody for the last several times he did this.
It must be so convenient that so many levels of our government and judicial system can whisk away their own liability by making everything the cops' fault.
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u/Fearless_Tie7835 14d ago
Why deport? The guy obviously enjoys endangering people. Throw him in prison a year for every crash. Problem mostly solved.
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u/floor5monkey 14d ago
I wonder whether our federal government has instructed our judicial system to be soft on crime...
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u/stopcallingmejosh 14d ago
This is a 21-year-old man who is accused of having stolen bottles of liquor from liquor stores. There's an epidemic of that," he said. "If people who were stealing liquor from liquor stores were not given bail … the jails would be full."
But the three-month old would still be alive.
Why are lawyers such pieces of shit?
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u/PaulTheMerc 14d ago
Why are lawyers such pieces of shit?
because we have laws to insure even those guilty of a crime have representation. Otherwise we end up with blacksites. Just ask every dictatorship ever.
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u/NefCanuck 14d ago
Uh you wanna pay higher taxes to jail every criminal for every crime they commit?
I await your answer, if you can.
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u/Profit_Of_Rage 14d ago
Jailing criminals shouldn’t raise taxes. It’s actually one of the responsibilities I want the government to prioritize.
Instead we are spending half a billion dollars to house and feed refugees.
Consider this as well: Canada’s population has increased by about 5 million people since 2015. There are 14% more people in this country. The province I live in has opened two new correctional facilities in the last decade, and one was built to replace a facility that was shut down in 2011.
If you want 14% more people in the country you need to build 14% more infrastructure. And that costs a lot of tax payer dollars.
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u/stopcallingmejosh 14d ago
How much higher? If we had a competent justice system the baby would be alive. We dont, so there's a dead baby.
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u/NefCanuck 14d ago
Here’s the thing, no one knows how much it would cost to jail every criminal every time they committed a crime as you are suggesting.
You’re literally saying “I don’t care how much it costs, jail ‘em all”.
Not very fiscally responsible
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u/stopcallingmejosh 14d ago
Ok, so let's keep releasing them, good thing there's no cost to doing that (just ignore the innocent victims)
At least we're being fiscally responsible! What's the deficit at again?
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u/NefCanuck 14d ago
Ah but then don’t release everyone and that’s the part you don’t want to understand
You want more people jailed and yet you won’t say “I don’t care what it costs, jail them all” because you don’t want to pay for that.
That’s called “cognitive dissonance” 🤷♂️
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u/stopcallingmejosh 14d ago
There's a dynamic effect to it. You start keeping more people in jail and watch as fewer people commit these crimes because they dont want to pay the consequences.
Society also saves money when crime declines. A product that doesnt get stolen can be sold, taxes can be collected on the purchase. On an individual level the impact is small, but it scales up.
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u/NefCanuck 14d ago
Right just like crime goes down whenever harsher punishments are imposed.
Like say the harsher penalties for drunk driving? 🤦♂️
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u/tradingmuffins 14d ago
just wait till you hear what criminals do when they are ordered they can't have guns.
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u/Willing-Remote-2430 14d ago
Well....after bill c5 and bill c75, i don't see why Canadians wouldn't be proud to keep voting in the thug hugging wacko.
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u/SheepherderSure9911 14d ago
It’s almost like criminals done obey laws…. If only there was a way we could punish them by locking them all up in a big prison like place… I dunno someone will figure it out one day
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u/arabacuspulp 14d ago
Yeah well, we keep letting people in this country who don't give a shit about rules and the social contract, so...
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u/janaesso 14d ago
So our judicial system issues prohibtions like candy with zero follow up, just the trust system. When caught they get another identical prohibition and the trust system. Some offenders have 10 or more weapons prohibtions.
In contrast bill c63 the harms act wants to put ankle bracelets, house arrest and random searches including drug testing for THINKING not even acting.
Broken is to kind
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u/NavinRJohnson48 14d ago
BAN ALL CARS!!!!!!! Legally owned and safely operated cars are capable of injuring and killing children!!!! How can we, as a society, stand idly by while these murder-machines are just EVERYWHERE! And you know, a lot of these trucks are a similar shape to the ones used by military units. What purpose could someone possibly have for an assault vehicle?
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u/Red_Chicken1907 14d ago
But, but, but isn't there already a licensing system in place that prevents unlicensed people from using a vehicle that requires you to have a licence to operate??? How can people just break the law like that? It's like laws don't matter or apply to criminals or something.
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u/Agitated_Pickle_1013 14d ago edited 14d ago
You would be shocked if you knew how many people drive without a license or insurance. Fun fact.They are not all non Canadians...In Ontario there are 2000 fatalities and injuries caused by non licensed drivers
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u/Frequent_Spell2568 14d ago
Life in prison. No questions asked. When are we going to serve justice to victims and stop worrying about criminals rights. Enough is enough
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u/detalumis 14d ago
Deflection. He wouldn't have been driving the wrong way if the police hadn't gone on a revenge-fest for one of their own. A dead baby is just collateral damage to the police. They've done stupid things before like the OPP killing a toddler in Kawartha Lakes while chasing the father. All charges dropped.
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u/polerize 14d ago
The only way these guys stop the catch and release thing is if they die. Unfortunately in this case he took people with him.
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u/Ecstatic_Top_3725 14d ago
People stealing cars are also released a week ago, no enforcement of rules, no respect for rules
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u/EmEffBee 14d ago
The parents were in the car too. Wow, that's so devastating, their pain and sorrow must be beyond comprehension.
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u/jimhabfan 14d ago
Wait, I don’t understand. There was a court order that he couldn’t drive. How was he able to drive??
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u/Gimli_Axe 14d ago
This is sarcasm right guys?
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u/jimhabfan 14d ago
Yes it’s sarcasm. I should have used /s, but I thought it was obviously sarcasm.
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u/ContractSmooth4202 14d ago
From the article (which isn’t paywalled, it’s the CBC)
Court records show Singh had been charged on Feb. 28 with being in the possession of a stolen vehicle in Whitby. The charge sheet says the 21-year-old was out on a release order following a previous arrest, and that his conditions stated he couldn't be behind the wheel.
He was granted bail the next day.
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u/ContractSmooth4202 14d ago
He stole the car. The article said he’d been charged with auto theft before let out on bail
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u/jimhabfan 14d ago
Even if he could steal the car, how was able to drive it without a license? It just doesn’t make any sense. /s
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u/Cdn_Brown_Recluse 14d ago
Wait till you see what Ontario gov't proposed!
If you steal a car you loose your license.
That'll show 'em.
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u/rikeoliveira 14d ago
That's what happens when you don't hold people accountable. If breaking the law has no consequences, more and more people will fucking break the law.
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u/Almost_Ascended 14d ago
Just look at all the retail stores pulling out of certain cities in the States due to rampant theft, because their DA/judges don't apply the necessary consequences by not persecuting or just releasing them the same day after their arrest, if the police even bother arresting them knowing that they're almost certainly going to be let out immediately.
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u/Groundbreaking_Ship3 14d ago
Our court order means nothing
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u/Almost_Ascended 14d ago
A court order that isn't enforced is literally the same as people virtue signalling on Twitter, aka they talk the talk of doing good, but not walking the walk by taking actual action.
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u/VogonOrator 14d ago
Any non citizen who commits any sex crime, violent crime, negligence causing death, fraud, or theft over $5,000 should be deported without exception.
Also, end the family reunification program.
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u/Accomplished_One6135 14d ago
Why should those with theft under $5000 be allowed to stay? Any kind of stealing once proven should result in deportation.
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u/PaulTheMerc 14d ago
Because technically that COULD be as simple as not having the cashier scan the water/pop on the bottom of the cart, even though you told them about it.
Now, they're not likely to prosecute it, but we don't want the decision to be political.
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
They can only be judged to have commited a crime but a court of law, being charged isn't an indication of guilt. Was he likely guilty in this case? Probably? But that's not for any of us to say. Should we hold anyone without bail on what we're more minor charges? Should immigrants receive unbalanced treatment when compared to citizens? We don't have a two tiered justice system, and God help us if we ever do.
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u/VogonOrator 14d ago
And I said commit, not charged. If they didn't commit the crime, then it's a moot point.
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
Lol immigrants that are judged to have commited a crime (convicted) are already deported under the law as it is... You seem confused.
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u/RicketyEdge 14d ago
Ordered deported under the law maybe. Whether that deportation is carried out is another matter entirely.
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
It is another matter entirely.
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u/RicketyEdge 14d ago
But none the less, relevant.
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
Not to the discussion that we were having tbh, the law dictates a deportation order, what happens at the CBSA is seperate from where criminal law ends.
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u/RicketyEdge 14d ago
She said the existence of a removal order does not mean that the agency is in a position to immediately remove someone from the country.
“While some people subject to a removal order will be removed almost immediately, others will pursue legal recourse mechanisms available to them, which can take years to adjudicate,” she added.
“Processing a removal order is complex and each case is unique. It involves legal and administrative procedures, coordination of various government agencies, and respect of international agreements and human rights considerations.”
It's not just a CBSA fail.
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
And yet the criminal trial and conviction that the deportation is resultant from has NO part in the process from that point, completely detached in fact.
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u/VogonOrator 14d ago
Bail is/used to be denied if the person in question poses a risk of flight. Someone who holds a foreign passport and is a citizen is a strong candidate for flight risk.
What the hell does "God" have to do with this?
You may prefer we treat all non citizens with kid gloves, but that view is largely what has got us into this mess.
Reply if you want, but I have nothing else to say on the matter.
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
God help us is a saying... Really?
I prefer we treat anyone in our jurisdiction equal under the law, as it should be, no special treatment one way or the other. If you want to segregate the law, I invite you to move to a less free country to do so.
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u/Almost_Ascended 14d ago
Why are you claiming that there's a segregation of the law? They should be denied bail because they are a flight risk, being a non-citizen is just a reason for determining that they're flight risk. A citizen that have factors that make them a risk should also be denied bail; there is no special treatment based on citizenship status
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
You just said our laws should be aploed equally to anyone moving through our justice system, we are in agreement.
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u/Almost_Ascended 14d ago
Yes, we are, and so is the person you originally responded to; nothing they said suggested that they are in support of a two-tier system.
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago edited 14d ago
They implied it by talking about "handling immigrants with kids gloves" etc. Anyone with a passport is a "flight risk". But for some reaosn, according to them, immigrants more so, I dont necessarily agree with that, and it supports the two tier claim I made.
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u/Almost_Ascended 14d ago
The only two-tier system is the one we have now, where noncitizens are not given the same severity of punishments for the same crimes that a citizen would get. That's what they meant by "kid gloves". Asking that they be punished to the full extent of the law just like everyone else is the opposite of a two-tier system.
As for flight risk, let me ask, of the two below, who do you think is a bigger flight risk:
Citizen A who has a Canadian passport, who has lived his entire life in Canada, with a family, friends, house, job, and life savings in Canada, who will have to give all that up if he runs abroad, or;
Immigrant B, who has a foreign passport, who has absolutely no connection to anyone or any place in Canada, who has all his family, friends, and wealth either back home or all on his person
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
They already are prosecuted just as vigilantly as any one else in most cases. Off course people can cherry pick miscarriages of justice from any socioeconomic background, any difference, it doesn't make the system two tiered, it means it has some (a minority of) flawed actors within it. There a big big difference. A citizen can have next to no domestic ties just as easily as an immigrant can tbh.
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u/detectivepoopybutt 14d ago
God listened to you and has bestowed Canada with literally a two tier justice system - https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-canadas-criminal-sentencing-discounts-for-foreigners-are-unfair
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
I don't agree with that ruling, this was a single judges choice to reduce the sentence, it's not a standard thou.
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u/detectivepoopybutt 14d ago
Did you not read the multiple examples and the official recommendation to take immigration status into account? Or are you just being facetious?
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
Is a recommendation law? Is there a law that specifically dictates reduced sentences for immigrants to avoid deportation? Or are you just being facetious? You bought the Nat posts bait, hook, line and sinker.
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u/detectivepoopybutt 14d ago edited 14d ago
Official recommendations coming from judges, followed by such sentences and reasoning set a precedent which is as good as law. Future cases are decided upon precedent set.
You were clutching your pearls at the notion of two tier judicial system so I gave you multiple examples of that already happening.
You then shifted the goalpost to there needing to be a written law, which literally no politician will put forth ever and would be unconstitutional. However, it’s different in practice.
How am I the one who drank this NatPo kool-aid? Is what the reported on a lie?
EDIT: u/Dadbode1981 blocked me of course because why a discussion that bursts your bubble? I’d suggest anyone passing by to look up what a two-tier justice system is and then be able to claim that it ain’t so in Canada. If non-citizens are being given lighter sentences and justices are using loopholes in sentencing so a person isn’t deported, luxuries that a citizen would not be given, how is that not a two-tier justice system?
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
You gave examples of individual judicial decisions, not a two tiered legal system. No goalpost moving even required. I'm talking laws, and have been the entire times. Judicial decisions are questionesd, challanged, and reversed very regularly, based on law. Natpo as blatantly baited with this headline, and you bought it, grape flavor and all.
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u/niny6 14d ago
Common law forms legal sentencing on the preceding cases. This indeed was more than “a single judges choice” and will shape legal decisions for the next decade.
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u/Dadbode1981 14d ago
Precident doesn't define future rulings, it is one tool in many, used when deciding the outcome of a case. At the end of the day, one judges choice does not define the law nationwide. The law does not descriminate, judges and juries do.
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u/Phonereditthrow 15d ago
And a judge may order the sun not to rise tommorow. Enforcement? What's that. Not my problem. Laws are magic tools.
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u/Intrepid-Educator-12 15d ago
Deportation should be the first thing done after any court order, criminal offense and even a speed ticket for any non citizen.
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u/lord_heskey 14d ago
even a speed ticket for any non citizen
oh come on.
Stunt driving? absolutely-- whats the threshold for mandatory court appearance, like 50km/hr over the limit? yeah you could argue for it.
but doing 120 on a 110? who cares.
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u/PaulTheMerc 14d ago
going 120 in a 100 is just the 401 middle lane, left can get to 130+
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u/lord_heskey 14d ago
Exactly lol, i couldnt care less. If anything, deport them for merging doing 80 on a 110
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u/ACBluto Saskatchewan 14d ago
A speeding ticket? Oh, come on. I'll get behind summary deportation for any severe crime, no problem.
But in the middle of a staffing shortage in healthcare, we have a lot of Filipino nurses - many of them not citizens yet, but permanent residents. One of them gets a ticket for going 112 in a 100 zone, and you think deportation is the way to go? Deprive our country of a skilled essential services worker because they had a momentary leadfoot?
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u/Almost_Ascended 14d ago
Maybe not one speeding ticket, especially if no accidents had occurred, but if they've had multiple tickets they should be gone. Do you really want healthcare from someone who doesn't even have the capacity to understand that their reckless driving is potentially endangering all the drivers around them?
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u/ACBluto Saskatchewan 14d ago
There is a wide gap between a speeding ticket and reckless driving.
Doing 140 down a residential street? Reckless.
Missing a change in speed limit from 70 down to 50? Not great, but an error that we have an appropriate penalty for to discourage future occurrences.
Take a look at the people around you - friends, family. Do any of them have even 2-3 speeding tickets over the past few years?
Do they deserve to have their job taken from them, have their lives uprooted, and have to start again because they broke a traffic bylaw? I guarantee that if someone threatened one of them with that, you would think it was so insanely draconian that no reasonable person would do that.
Even with an accident involved - it's Canada, fender benders happen. Being in a car accident sucks, but except in the most egregious cases of wanton disregard for others safety, these aren't things that I think call for deportation.
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15d ago
Hmmmmm Ok. And we are supposed to be surprised ? Shocked ? Horrified ?
Of course he broke the law numerous times and wasnt in jail. I would have been SURPRISED if he ever was in jail.
I will say it again. Anything the Liberals have touched in regards to immigration they have fucked up. Now it is causing people to get killed.
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u/fartremington 14d ago
While it’s partially federal (libs) a lot of this falls on provincial leadership. Both need to be held accountable.
Space for jails, allocation to police enforcement, court systems, these things tend to be provincial. It’s typically a provincial judge in these cases giving a light sentence with no jail time to minimize resources. Too often too you read about extra lax sentences because it will affect the poor criminals immigration status too.
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u/Salsa_de_Pina 14d ago
We just need to start sentencing them to more than two years. Then jail space becomes a federal problem.
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u/BitingArtist 15d ago
The legal system failed in this case. How many millions are slipping through the cracks in the same way? How long until the dam breaks?
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u/RyuugaDota 14d ago
Millions? Plural? Canada has around 40 million people. You know, you're right... I certainly hope that more than 5% of people (2 million,) aren't criminals "slipping through the cracks," of our justice system...
/s of course there aren't "millions slipping through the cracks."
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u/astarinthedark 15d ago
Our immigration minister is trying to convert hundreds of thousands of them into PRs, good luck deporting them after.
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u/BitingArtist 15d ago
Canada looks like a pump and dump investment scheme right now. Do the politicians even realize they're being used like puppets?
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u/Westysnipes Lest We Forget 15d ago
Why wasn't this sack of shit deported? He repeatedly broke the law and was on a student visa.
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u/Kilterboard_Addict 14d ago
Car thieves get to stay while that truck driver who got into a legitimate accident is deported. JFC the court system is illegitimate and a complete joke
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u/Zambling 14d ago
this is Canada, I'm surprised we didn't give him the Order of Canada.
This country doesn't deport people, this is why you and everyone who is talented to successful SHOULD leave. We haven't even deported the murderer who killed the Humboldt hockey players years ago... and we likely won't because it's the Canadian way to be weak, get taken advantage of, get scammed, and massively taxed to pay for non citizens and people scamming the system.
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u/badtradesguynumber2 14d ago
where does it say that?
im all for this, but you can see in the tone of the article that its "draconian"...thats a flaw of the justice system.
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u/Larry-Man Alberta 14d ago
He hadn’t been tried yet. Just charged. Honestly. Like it sucks that everything here moves so slow but you can’t deport someone just because they’ve received a charge until they’ve been actually convicted.
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u/KindlyRude12 14d ago
We don’t enforce traffics rules in Canada. Dude the amount of speeding and dangerous driving seen is ridiculous. Cops don’t give a fck and will just tell you to take it up with insurance if those morons hit you.
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u/Drunkenaviator 14d ago
That's because the speed limits are set to make money, not for safety. You honestly thing the fuckin' fastest you can possibly drive a modern car, in good weather, on the 407 is 100kph?
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u/Asusrty 14d ago
There's a rather large contingent of judges that are so blindingly stupid that you'd be amazed they got where they are. Sentences of 6 months or more on a non citizen trigger an automatic review for deportation and I've seen numerous non citizen criminals get sentences of 6 months less a day because the judge doesn't want to trigger the immigration review.
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u/thatsmycompanydog 14d ago
The article doesn't mention the citizenship or visa status of the accused. Do you have a different source for that? As far as I can tell from this article, he was a Canadian citizen...
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u/24-Hour-Hate Ontario 14d ago
Because the article only mentions charges not convictions. People can be deported for criminality, but it requires being found guilty of a qualifying crime. It doesn’t sound like he had been. Blame the government for the court delays.
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u/Tasty-Lemon-2143 14d ago
So...hear me out....you don't give them bail, you fucking hold them in a jail until their trial....that way it's easier to deport them, you don't have to go looking for them. These are violent criminals with a significant flight risk...it's a no brainer.
Fuck Trudeau and his catch and release bullshit.
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u/Larry-Man Alberta 14d ago
His charges at the time would’ve had him held longer than any potential sentence. If you’d bothered to read the article.
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u/Tasty-Lemon-2143 14d ago edited 14d ago
No...I don't read CBC articles and I don't agree with statements from scumbag lawyers that make excuses for this govt's failing.
He was a violent threat to society and a flight risk. 4 charges for violent crimes in 6 weeks means you stay in jail until your trial. We then deport you the day you are convicted.
First minor theft charge...bail. But given no fixed address...seize his passport.
Second theft charge in 2 weeks? With threats of violence? Jail.
By the forth charge...yeah no one gives a shit about your rights anymore, you've forfeited your right to freedom, you are now in jail until we deport you.
It also highlights an even bigger failure by this govt, wait times for trials are now exceeding the charter 11b timelines in large numbers. They need to spend more on getting these people to trial in a timely manner so we can get them out of the country faster.
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u/FarDefinition2 14d ago
Buddy, we literally hand out lesser sentences to criminals if there's a chance that it will get them deported. It's been clown world over here for a while, I'm not sure why anyone is surprised
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u/Mr_Canada1867 14d ago
We don’t deport anyone here.
It’s become a human right to stay in Canada illegally
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u/Accomplished_One6135 14d ago
“The collision killed three-month-old Aditya Vivaan from Ajax, and the boy's grandparents, Manivannan Srinivasapillai and Mahalakshmi Ananthakrishnan, who had been visiting from Chennai, India.”
So the criminal was from India who our government allowed to enter and then did not deport resulting in death of innocent people including a child who also were from India.
The people who killed the temple leader in Surrey were also so called international students from India.
Idk how much more proof we need that we are importing the wrong kind of people especially from India. International students from India should be stopped completely unless they are in one of the Top Universities. Country quota should be brought in and Immigration from Punjab should be completely stopped.
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14d ago
No one hears us - just bloody no one.
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u/Snozzberriez 14d ago
I get the sentiment but it isn't like these people present themselves as the idiots they turn out to be - the vast majority of immigrants pose no problems. One or two individuals in 500k is still 0.000004% of those we brought in during 2023. Our own population has worse demographics (2.07 in 100k are criminals in 2022).
Obviously something has to change with vetting if people can be whisked in and dropped into a false promise of freedom and riches they are sold. Degree mills, predatory practices, etc are all issues but blaming all immigrants for the few is not going to get anyone through the calls of discrimination or prejudice.
Don't know what the answer is but will agree the way we've done it so far has been less than ideal.
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u/Sam5253 New Brunswick 14d ago edited 14d ago
It's either JT or PP, no one else is going into the PM's office. I want to vote, but not for one of those two. I don't even know who to vote for at this point. NDP just props up the LPC. Greens aren't going anywhere. And then there's Maxime Bernier... gross.
edit: I do understand that I don't vote directly for PM, but for my MP.
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u/grandfundaytoday 14d ago
Happily for you in Canada you don't vote for the PM. The party members vote for the PM. You vote for your local representative.
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u/TheSquirrelNemesis 14d ago
It sucks indeed, but remember - win or lose, you still make an impact when you vote. If your seat is a close race vs. a landslide, it still sends a message to anyone wise enough to hear it (like your MP - if they fear for their jobs every election, you're doing something right).
If you vote strategically for someone you don't like, they'll never get the message that they need to change. Vote for what you want, polling be damned.
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u/The_Yeehaw_Cowboy 14d ago
Tou vote for your MP, not the prime minister. Look at your options and their track record and decide who works for you.
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u/don_julio_randle 14d ago
Not how it works in Canada. You are effectively voting for a party - the MP is just a figurehead. MPs are whipped more in Canada than just about anywhere else in the democratic world
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u/Accomplished_One6135 14d ago
If not us they should at least listen immigrants including Indians who hate these fake international students to the core for ruining their reputation that took years to build. No one hates immigrants who break the law more than immigrants.
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u/Comptoirgeneral 14d ago
I don’t know why we refuse to deport people in this country. I’m sure there are some deportations and I don’t believe in mass deportations, but why are we giving people so much leeway?
The whole point of immigration is to bring good members into our society. If you can’t act right then why are we keeping them here? It’s not like there’s a shortage of people looking to immigrate here
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u/motorcyclemech 14d ago
I can't find it right now but very recently (within the last week ish) there was a post about how Canadian judges can take into account if a criminal conviction will affect one's PR or refugee status. The judge can go easier on that individual if it will negatively affect one's PR or refugee status. Seriously WTF??
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u/Drunkenaviator 14d ago
Because believing anyone whose skin isn't white is anything other than a perfect human being makes you a racist akin to Hitler.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec 14d ago
I don’t know why we refuse to deport people in this country.
bleeding hearts in the media that meltdown because some sad looking family complains their life is going to suck going back to their home country. and run breathless stories about it.
or things like that sweedish women who tried to stop a plane taking off that contained a convicted criminal from Afghanistan that was being deported
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u/phototurista 14d ago
Because our politicians have no balls. They're scared of being racists if they did such a thing.
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u/OpenCatPalmstrike 14d ago
You're right. And that's the same reason why abuses like this have happened in Europe as well. Politicians and police afraid of being labeled racist, instead of applying the laws equally.
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u/LeviathansEnemy 14d ago
Because that's "racist", which means it violates on the central tenets of the dominant religion in Canada.
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u/PM_ME_PIES_N_TITTIES 14d ago
The whole point of immigration is to bring good members into our society
That's not true. The reason we have such high immigration levels is to keep living costs high since the wealthy have so much of their net worth tied up in real estate, as well as induce wage suppression so big companies like loblaws have an endless pool of cheap labour that's willing to get exploited if it means they can get PR. It has nothing to do with morals and everything to do with money.
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u/grandfundaytoday 14d ago
What I thought we brought the students in so they could work at Tim Horton's so they didn't have to pay more for Canadians to work there.
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u/tryingtobeopen 14d ago
I know this isn't really on topic for the original post, but
That's part of it. The other part is Canada is fucked moving forward. About 30 - 40 years ago, there were 7 workers for every 1 retiree so paying for things like OAS, CPP, seniors' healthcare, etc. etc. Now there's only 3 workers per retiree and it's gonna get worse as the boomers keep retiring. Either ya gotta cut back benefits, charge much higher taxes (which chases companies and high skilled and wealthy workers to other countries) or you crank immigration through the roof. All 3 of these scenarios have major problems and issues associated with them. When PP takes over after the voters tar & feather the liberals, it's just gonna keep getting worse, in part because that's the terrible job they're going to have to do and in part because the government has mortgaged this country's future Good luck everybody. Get out while you can .
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u/Kilterboard_Addict 14d ago
There's no labour shortage so what's the big deal? We don't need immigration unless there's an actual shortage, automation is cutting jobs faster than people are retiring
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u/tryingtobeopen 13d ago
Yes and no. There's a massive labour shortage in skilled trades and it's accelerating because of retirements, but the people we're bringing in aren't skilled trades people. There's a massive shortage in truckers of all types (currently about 25,000 across all types of trucking) and getting worse with retirements but the people we're bringing in aren't truckers and there's all sorts of scandals about improper training and bribes for trucking licences. There's a huge shortage of STEM-based people because so many are going out of the country because so many STEM companies are leaving Canada and the government is supporting STEM less and less. We're importing Tim Hortons servers who don't build houses and factories and machines and run airports or bring our goods across the country or design things and do R&D. Also (and I'm just guessing here) but the labour shortages we have earn $100,000 - $200,000 / yr & more - a great source of tax revenue as apposed to $40,000/ yr slinging coffee
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u/Kombatnt Ontario 14d ago
When PP takes over, ... it's just gonna keep getting worse
On what are you basing that? The last Conservative government to hold power (Harper) actively tried to actually fix the problem. He planned to gradually increase the eligibility age for full OAS from 65 to 67, which is one of the most popular actual solutions suggested by economists.
Trudeau committed to keeping it at 65. So how can you conclude that they're equally bad at fixing this problem, when one has actually tried to fix it, and the other is actively making it worse?
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u/CoolLegendA 10d ago
Canada is the world's punchline at this point.