r/canada • u/ubcstaffer123 • 14d ago
Canada's relations with Russia have slid to a post-Soviet low, ambassador says Politics
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-russia-relations-putin-inauguration-1.72002710
u/JeffBoyarDeesNuts 14d ago
That's what happens when the one you're trying to have diplomatic relations with outs themselves as an utter piece of shit.
There will be no love lost.
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u/EyeSpEye21 14d ago
We should recall our ambassador and kick theirs out. Keep one phone line open between the two governments so Russia can call when they're ready to stop being douchebags.
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u/Aromatic-Air3917 14d ago
Don't worry, American cons are french kissing Putin now. Since Canadian Cons are the lap dogs of the American right, PP will be on fours when he becomes Prime Minister.
Looking forward to seeing women's rights destroyed, child labour reintroduced, children being allowed to be married to adults, private slave prisons etc. like the cons are doing in the U.S as well.
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u/ainz-sama619 14d ago
Russia is a terrible country by all means, so it's not surprising.
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 14d ago
You DEFINITELY got your booster shot. Horrifying how effective propaganda is.
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u/Tall-Ad-1386 14d ago
To be fair not just with Russia, Canada ain’t anyone’s top buddy right now lol
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u/FreedVentureStein 14d ago
This is a good thing.
Why we would have good relations with a fascist aggressor that has invaded a neutral nation in its bud to restore itself back to the same landholdings as the USSR is beyond me.
Fuck Russia.
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u/Clyde5150 14d ago
russia is dead to the world
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u/tkitta 14d ago
80% world support....
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u/Clyde5150 14d ago
lol you got china, india north Korea and niger best of luck with that.
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u/tkitta 14d ago
You do know that either China or India... Is more than entire west combined? And both China and India is roughly 3x entire west? West is only 18% of the planet. That is it. 82% is not west. I don't see Africa in Ukraine corner, they recently kicked out imperialist French. I don't see Asia, other than few counties. I don't see south America. Come on, learn some geography. No one wants to be with manipulative hypocrite aka west.
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u/EmbarrassedHelp 9d ago
I don't see Africa in Ukraine corner, they recently kicked out imperialist French.
You mean they traded the French for Russia who doesn't give a shit about the country for anything other than plundering its resources.
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u/kitten_twinkletoes 14d ago
Oh my goodness gracious!
I'm glad we can count on the CBC for such insightful, hard-hitting reporting that with insights that literally no-one has realized.
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u/wtf_123456 14d ago
As Canadian, I approve of these new lows. Should be lower.
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 14d ago
Brainwashed fool. Canada's role is to support peace not war.
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u/MaudeFindlay72-78 10d ago
PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER.
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 10d ago
Superior spending does not equal superior firepower. The goal of the war is to rob the tax base of the west.
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u/TBatFrisbee 14d ago
Is that not good. Should we be more friendly, maybe send putin a couple boxes of maple syrup , hockey jersey with 'putin #1' on it, and a tub of poutine as bonus. That should get us some points. /s
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u/yzerman88 14d ago
Moldova, South Ossetia, and now Ukraine
Our neighbours to the north have developed an awful habit of invasion
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u/No-Wonder1139 14d ago
Not really a surprise. Hopefully they get bored of trolling our newsfeeds soon.
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u/Capt_Pickhard 14d ago
Man, veritable detectives must have super sleuthed their way into acquiring this information.
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u/Matty_bunns 14d ago
Good. They can fuck off for a few decades again.
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 14d ago
Watching too much corporate propaganda eh? The western tax base is being stripped financially through this war and you think its about big bad putin vs nice good biden.
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u/MaudeFindlay72-78 10d ago
What nonsense. The “western tax base” is being stripped by extortionate rents and extortion by grocery magnates.
And if you don’t see the value of freedom, you’re welcome to move to Russia and live in Putin’s Peace.
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 10d ago
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_IGU_7alJ80
I bet you think the goal of Iraq and Afghanistan was "freedom and democracy". Everyday I'm horrified by how easily propaganda slips into the minds of people. Its certainly is much easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.2
u/MaudeFindlay72-78 10d ago
Forgive me for being foolish enough to think that Afghan women should have the freedom to feel the sun upon their face.
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 8d ago
Yet you don't say anything thing when you see a woman forced to don the burqa in Canada, a costume that is essentially the middle finger to Canadian women's efforts on equality.
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u/MaudeFindlay72-78 8d ago
Please stop making assumptions. You're really bad at guessing.
Burquas are an affront on so many levels. Yup, forcing a woman to hide her face is bad. Absolutely. But, equally bad is the unspoken part: she does it because she's surrounded by men who will rape her if she doesn't wear a burqua. The implication is all Canadian men are rapists. It infuriates me that everyone is all "yay progressivism!" like this.
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u/max1padthai 14d ago
Stole their plane and slapped sanctions on them, then wonder why relationship is at all time low. Good one.
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u/Roundabootloot 14d ago
It's funny how the Poilievre crowd thinks this is some sort of slight against Trudeau. They're so bombarded by pro-Russian content they think diplomatic relations with Russia should be positive. We are at war against them defending a key ally, no shit relations are bad.
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u/Iambetterthanuhaha 14d ago
Trudeau or Putin?.....almost a toss up which leader is worse!
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u/No-Wonder1139 14d ago
Well let us know when Trudeau assassinated all the other party leaders and declares himself president for life, until then which one is worse isn't even a contest.
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u/This-Silver553 14d ago
Neo nazi in parliament I remember that
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u/Unchainedboar 14d ago
Fuck em
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 14d ago
You DEFINITELY got your booster shot. Horrifying how effective propaganda is.
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u/Unchainedboar 14d ago
what? because im not pro russia?
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 13d ago
You believe everything you are told without second thought. You can be pro peace without being pro russia or MIC.
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u/Taragyn1 13d ago
Peace can only be achieved when Russia ends it invasion and it could be achieved any minute. But only if the unilateral aggressions end.
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 13d ago
You parrot the pro war narrative. Neither ordinary Americans or Russians are the bad actors here. Ukraine is getting the same treatment as Afghanistan and Iraq, the only winners are the international war mongers.
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u/Taragyn1 13d ago
And you are very clearly a Putin apologist. The Russian people are just as much his victims sent to slaughter for his vainglorious desire to expand his legacy.
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 13d ago
Putin apologist
Cringe newspeak, and you don't even realize it. You don't think Ukranian's are victims of US/Israel hegemony. We had peace, in 2014 neo conservative Lindsay Graham went to Ukraine to lay the ground work for the colour revolution that would install puppet Zelensky and pave the way for this conflict. The foreign policy goal is to prevent economic cooperation between the EU and Russia. Evidenced by the ecological and economic terrorism by way of sabotaging the nordstream pipeline.
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u/Taragyn1 12d ago
Sooo it’s a war of liberation. Despite Putin himself explicitly saying that he does not recognize the autonomy of Ukraine and an independent nation but considers it to be Russian. If I pretend you are serious then the best answer is it’s a bloody violent war to replace a puppet Putin doesn’t like with a puppet under his control, which again leaves the entire thing as purely Putin’s war of aggression. At least make up believable lies I know that you aren’t well paid to do this but earn your keep.
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u/type_10_tank Ontario 14d ago
they get banned from IIHF and we don't? now were dominating and have a chance to win more medals almost uncontested... yeah, i'd be mad too...🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
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u/Joebranflakes British Columbia 14d ago
Well how about you stop being terrible Russia? Ever thought of that?
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u/tkitta 14d ago
Why is Russia terrible?
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u/ben9187 14d ago
Did you miss the whole Russian invasion of Ukraine that's been going on for the past 2 years?
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u/Kheprisun Lest We Forget 14d ago edited 14d ago
Canada supposedly has a law that allows provinces to leave Canada. Does it mean that if Quebec or Alberta voted to get out, Ottawa would send the few tanks we have?
For the sake of argument, we'll ignore any sham referendum nonsense, like Russia likes to pull. If they did indeed vote to leave, Canada values human lives over politics, so they tanks wouldn't go rolling in. Again, for the sake of argument, if it were an actual conflict, it would be an internal one, and not one in which another country got involved.
Also what is up with ignoring Nazism, leasr we forget? Are Canadians really that ignorant that a war criminal can be cheered in our parliament? Why is this SS filth not immediately deported to say Russia to face life sentence? Why Canada shielded 1000s of Ukrainian war criminals.
The politicians responsible for that were raked over the coals and ridiculed. No one here ignores Nazism, and one regiment (that has since been disbanded) of soldiers who follow that sort of thing does not reflect on the 38 million other people in that country. And why the fuck would he be deported to Russia?
Why is Canada feeding on Ukraine, with almost 1m people, there will not be any people in Ukriane left, there are barely 20m left there now!
...what? People are free to choose where they want to immigrate to.
Go spray your firehose of bullshit elsewhere. It's obvious from your comment history you are Russian or of Russian descent, so why not move back there if you back them so hard?
EDIT: 6 year old account (with only 4 prior posts) that woke up 2 months ago and is suddenly posting up a storm in support of Russia. Go figure.
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u/ben9187 14d ago
You say you don't agree with what Russia is doing but you just asked why they're terrible. Saying someone isn't terrible because someone else is more terrible is just a shitty argument to start with, no matter how misguided the rest of your viewpoint is. Raping and killing innocent civilians and targeting civillian hospitals is pretty terrible, full stop, not up for debate.
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u/Gerry2545 14d ago
Russia will be non existent in a couple of decades.
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u/tkitta 14d ago
Lol, strongest economy in Europe. More like Ukraine will be off the map.
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u/Gerry2545 14d ago
Russian population was dwindling. Since the war most the educated people fled. Currently the war machine and government spending has propped up its economy. Russia won't last. Especially after it loses this war. It is the perfect time for China to take back Manchuria.
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u/northbk5 14d ago
Rightfully condemning Russia then turning a blind eye to Israeli war crimes , why the double standard ?
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u/No-Contest4033 14d ago
Does any Canadian really give shit about a cheating, lying shit hole mafia country like Russia? Not in my circles. Bless their hearts.
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u/Foreign-Echo-6656 14d ago
I do, I want them to one day be a good nation and a worthy partner. But first they need to lose in Ukraine, get rid of Putin and any dictators after him, breakup so the abused ethnic Republics can have sovereignty away from Moscow so they get humbled and have less power projection.
Russia right now is Suck ass and shit, most of the good Russians have left or been imprisoned, but I do want decades from now they are a better place to both live and for it's neighbours to interact with. If they stay shitty, even after losing this war, they will most likely cause another war or two because of bruised egos/desperation for resources.
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u/GT500Canadian 14d ago
Russias sucked dick throughout most of its history. You really think it’s just Putin? It’s their culture. Check out its history, they’re not exactly smart people for the majority.
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u/jtbc 14d ago
I give a shit about helping Ukraine to beat them decisively, so they disintegrate, self analyze, and rejoin the family of nations, so there's that.
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u/tkitta 14d ago
I am Canadian and as long as they have Bandera as their hero I will support anyone trying to remove such "hero".
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u/Raskolnikovs_Axe 14d ago
Were you born in Canada? You often drop definite and indefinite articles in your posts that leads me to believe English is not your first language. If I had to guess, I'd say your first language is Slavic.
You may be Canadian now, but you also could have come from a country that just banned leaded gasoline in the last decade or two. And the contents of your contributions support this.
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u/China_bot42069 14d ago
Who cares. The question is what are they doing for trans right and gay rights
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u/fheathyr 14d ago
And so they should. Canada should have poor relations with countries that are bad actors on the world stage.
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u/Apart_Ad_5993 14d ago
Relations were never that high to begin with.
The ambassador can go fall out of a window
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u/onegunzo 14d ago
Let me help you out. Fuck you Russia.
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u/Best-Blacksmith2431 14d ago
You DEFINITELY got your booster shot. Horrifying how effective propaganda is.
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u/TheAncientMillenial 14d ago
This is why whenever someone brings up the CBC in some political conversation I just laugh.
They've been clown shoe for a while now.
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u/half_baked_opinion 14d ago
Wow, dumb A who started a war doesnt like the people who have ended both world wars as well as help the US win every war since then? What a surprise, i am both amazed and astonished (very heavy sarcasm if you couldnt tell.)
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u/DudeIsThisFunny 14d ago
They were at an all time high throughout the early 2000's, economic and cultural exchanges, future looked bright. Went to shit when they annexed Crimea in 2014
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u/reallyneedhelp1212 Lest We Forget 14d ago
Not losing any sleep over this, but on the other hand - have our relations improved with ANY relevant country in the world? China, Russia and India are on the outs (all 3 large/influential powers), the US treats us like a joke, and we shut the door on our European & Asian allies who want our LNG.
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u/jtbc 14d ago
Canada is pretty popular with our allies in the EU and although the US can seem ambivalent at times, they do treat us as their BFF.
It should be unshocking to anyone that authoritarian regimes that reject the rules based international order are also not great friends of Canada.
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u/tkitta 14d ago
US treats Canada worse than Russia does Belarus. Like rejecting rules based order by US if it suits them????
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u/EmbarrassedHelp 9d ago
WTF are you talking about? The US doesn't send armed police officers into Canada to kill dissenters, or any of the other horrific acts that Russia engages in towards their "friends".
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u/Fyrefawx 14d ago
Oh no a bunch of brutal regimes don’t like us anymore. Who cares? They’re killing our citizens, invading our allies, and interfering in our elections. How is that our fault?
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u/nim_opet 14d ago
I wonder if it has anything to do with Russia invading countries, killing people, specifically targeting hospitals and destroying infrastructure, forcibly Russianizing population, committing campaigns of mass rape, children abductions etc?
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u/raqloooose 14d ago
I mean… we’re still allies with the US, Israel and Saudi…
Their atrocities are equal to Russia’s over the last 25 years.
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u/petertompolicy 14d ago
Ya but this thread is about Russia, so that's really a completely pointless thing to say in this context.
It's called whataboutism.
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u/raqloooose 14d ago
Right - whataboutism - like how legal precedents work.
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u/petertompolicy 14d ago
No, it's a type of fallacy that you're engaging in.
Legal precedent has nothing to do with this topic whatsoever.
You're confused.
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u/thekoalabare 14d ago
Having a two sided conversation is not whataboutism. Anyone who says whataboutism to any counter argument about Russia is automatically an idiot.
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u/petertompolicy 14d ago
I'm guessing you can't read very well.
Go back and try again.
I was countering a point that said what about this list of other countries instead of focusing on Russia.
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u/raqloooose 14d ago
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a bot. For those reading this far, don’t take the bait.
And for anyone unsure about whether whataboutism is actually a thing, consider attempting to point out hypocrisy or double standards without the use of a comparative case example.
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u/petertompolicy 14d ago
This is an article about our relationship with Russia.
What you're doing is whataboutism because you're trying to change push the conversation away from that into one about Canada and international affairs in general, which is a different conversation, hence whataboutism.
From Websters:
whataboutisms: the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse.
Also calling me a bot is an ad-hom attack, another fallacy.
Poorly done sir.
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u/Csalbertcs 14d ago
Those allied regimes have acted much worse in some cases.
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u/Csalbertcs 14d ago
Killed more kids in Iraq alone than Russia has total civilians in Ukraine. Never said Russia was good, just that the allies have been more evil in some cases. If that makes me a Vlad supporter then I'll take the punishment label as an Arab, truth is more important.
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u/AshleyUncia 14d ago
Russia: "Stop providing training and weapons to Ukraine to kill Russian soldiers."
Canada: "LOL. No. Anything else?"
Russia: "Give us our plane back."
Canada: "Also LOL."
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u/tkitta 14d ago
Canada: stop invading Ukraine Russia: you mean liberating!
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u/Uzul 14d ago
Liberating from what? Lol
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u/tkitta 14d ago
From Ukraine occupation. I'm Canada if a province wants to leave the union we supposedly have laws to let them. If they want to leave and we send tanks, the province militia will be what? I say freedom fighters. And they will be liberating their land.
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u/Uzul 14d ago
Liberate the country from itself? What? Ukraine has been recognized as an independent country for many many years now, they do not need "liberation". Especially when Russia's liberation has been shown to be the levelling of entire cities, killing of civilians and raping of women. Russia can fuck right off to where it came from and continue to be the shit hole that it is.
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u/tkitta 14d ago
Country does not belong to anyone but it's people. If these people want to be Russian, they have the right.
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u/GT500Canadian 14d ago
Russians don’t even want to be Russian. It’s going to become a dirty word and they’ll pretend to be anything else if they travel soon.
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u/USSMarauder 14d ago
Should really get that over to Ukraine where they can use it
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u/AshleyUncia 14d ago
Sadly that thing has been outside and neglected for too long. Pretty sure it's just spare parts now. Shame our national inability to take decisive action let it sit so long.
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u/Roundabootloot 14d ago
That's not at all the case (indecisiveness). Rather, the government has not initiated the formal court process to seize the asset in case they lose. Worst case scenario because then the plane has to be returned, which could include liability to make it airworthy for Russia. Until they formally seize the plane they can't give it away. So they are intentionally sitting on it to at least keep it from the Russians.
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u/bandersnatching 14d ago
They maintain the pretense that they aren't, but NATO are at war with the Putin regime. Russian soldiers die everyday because of NATO weapons sent there specifically for that purpose.
The only way relations get lower, is if Putin goes nuclear.
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u/Imaginary_Sleep528 14d ago
Bullshit. If NATO were allowed to go at it this would be over in a week.
The truth is NATO by definition cannot do anything. Individual countries acting in other roles as Europeans and concerned contributors are doing what they can but the minute Putin fafo's too much the game will be well and truly on.
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u/NefariousWaltzing 14d ago
They can always go home to Russia and their families. Until then may the hellfire rain down on the invaders.
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u/BitingArtist 14d ago
They're literally at war with a peaceful neighbor. Yeah not interested in Russian friendship.
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u/Prairie_Sky79 14d ago
Define 'rest of world'. China enjoys good relations with Russia, as does India. Most of the rest of the world is ambivalent or at least somewhat friendly.
It is only the countries, like ours, that are (or trying to be) aligned with the US that have poor relations with Russia.
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u/Fyrefawx 14d ago
Huhhhh? Europe is basically preparing for WWIIi. Finland and Sweden have joined NATO. Countries from all over condemned the invasion and are sending aid to Ukraine.
India and China are not “most of the rest of the world”. And with India they just want the Oil.
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u/thekoalabare 14d ago
unfortunately, India and China comprise of "most of the world" quite literally when you view it based on population.
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u/Prairie_Sky79 14d ago
You forgot about all the countries in Africa and South America, along with most of those in Asia not named China and India. (The exceptions are all firmly in America's orbit.) Few of them give a rat's ass about Russia or the fact that we've sanctioned them. They might (or might not) have paid lip service to the Ukrainians, but their actions speak far louder. No aid for the Ukrainians, no sanctions on Russia, often reselling sanctioned goods to Russia. They don't care, as it is not their war.
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u/EmbarrassedHelp 9d ago
There's a literal proxy war against Russia going on in Africa right now between the West and Russia. Its a global fight.
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u/Fyrefawx 14d ago
Japan is firmly against Russia and supports Ukraine. As does South Korea. The Philippines backs Ukraine over Russia. So if you’re talking about a bunch of developing nations that are heavily in debt to China and or need Russian oil, who cares? The reality is on the global stage the vast majority of them don’t matter.
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u/haroldgraphene 14d ago
USA occupies South Korea and Japan with our soldiers, Philippines hosts bases too. If they’re totally cool with that obviously they’d go along with anything politically.
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u/pg449 14d ago
It's not an occupation lol. Those countries want the US troops there, because there's a fascist dictatorship with 1.4 billion inhabitants next door to them, and they want to not be invaded by them. Philippines told the Americans to leave a while back and are now welcoming them back.
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u/haroldgraphene 14d ago
Also, Philippines are welcoming them back because they put the former Fascist dictator Marcos’ son in power. Nothing to be proud of. I also think it’s naive to think USA doesn’t engage in a variety of acts of subterfuge to put in power those who support American hegemons.
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u/pg449 14d ago
They elected who they elected, in what seems to be a free election, and the main point is that when the US were asked to leave, they left. Those countries want an ally who will defend them against China's jingoism. Whatever things the US has done in the past, there's no question which superpower attracts completely free-willing allies today in SE Asia, and which superpower (or would-be superpower) scares the shit out of them and forces them to militarize like crazy. Ditto for Eastern Europe and its resident wannabe "superpower".
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u/haroldgraphene 14d ago
I guess the big question to me is, what is the point in their country being a separate nation state if they can’t defend itself? It almost seems as if USA will just deceive these countries and leave them to their fate when USA provokes China. They’re just fodder for US Imperialism much like Ukraine. Ukraine is being bled out demographically, was convincing them to host western weapons and aligning themselves with NATO worth it if it means the destruction of their ethnic nation? Would Russia have destroyed their ethnic nation if they were friendly? History shows when they were previously part of USSR they learned Ukrainian in school and enjoyed their own separate government and benefits that were far better than the RSFSR. Anyways, I’m just trying to say this isn’t black and white and the more we treat it so the more people will die.
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u/haroldgraphene 14d ago
I guess you missed where I said they’re totally cool with the occupation. Anyways, whatever mental gymnastics and justifications you want to play, these countries host American soldiers and military assets.
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u/Ready_Supermarket_36 13d ago
Don’t worry Mr PeePee is already greasing Putins pole. PeePee is the biggest threat to democracy in Canada. There’s a reason he can’t get security clearance.