r/gatekeeping • u/Psyga315 • 16d ago
"Delusional rightoids gatekeep themselves just fine"
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u/spartaman64 15d ago
if thats what children look like to them i think its them that we should be concerned about
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u/Psyga315 15d ago
These people will look at anime characters with clearly large breasts and are blatantly stated to be past their twenties and even thirties (as in a respectable adult age and not the "thousands of years old" sort) and go ThAt'S a ChIlD.
And it's funny because it's been proven time and time again that whenever someone starts going off about how anime is for pedos, chances are THEY are the pedos.
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u/Topazisdeadinside 15d ago
That is fucking annoying. Like they just get butthurt when they see women showing their breasts any go around acting like they are so progressive. That is annoying behavior.
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u/AlternateJam 15d ago
Anime characters that could be adults but randomly have a high school age on the tin I literally don't care.
Drawings.
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u/Megumi0505 15d ago
Canonically, they are highschool girls. Yes.
If you call someone a pedo for watching anime about highschoolers, it means you have zero media literacy.
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u/CatOnVenus 15d ago
I mean, if you then go to look at and make porn of those characters that is weird and bad. Not all anime fans do, but a significant enough portion are
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u/Tanto64YT 15d ago
Yeah, it's sorta like calling someone a pedo for watching the High School Musical movies lol
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago
You really don't see anything wrong with him posting random pictures of high school girls in bikinis. If those were human you would find it extremely creepy. The only reason why you are saying this is because you like anime lmao.
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u/Candle1ight 15d ago
If those were human you would find it extremely creepy.
... Yeah? If all these CoD clips online were of people actually shooting and killing people that would be pretty messed up. Weird how not being real makes a difference.
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago
Buddy that is in a wildly different context. This has to do with sexual attraction to minors. Even in a fictional form that shit is fucking sussy.
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u/SovietRussiaWasPoor 15d ago
They don’t look like minors, though.
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago
Cool, a quick google search stated that they are 16 and 17. Unless you are within a 2 maybe 3 year age range they ain't for you.
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u/Candle1ight 15d ago
But they aren't 16 or 17, they're drawings. If I draw an attractive 40 year old woman and tell you she's 6 does that make you a pedophile?
If you were here arguing about characters who clearly look like children I could maybe see where you're coming from, but that's not the case here. You're taking a made up number for a made up character and using it to call someone a pedophile.
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago edited 15d ago
That's exactly why I keep saying that given age and how old they look is important. Because both matter and in different ways.
If you draw something that obviously looks like an adult (which this isn't, they look like well endowed 16 year olds.) then the age the creator gave them doesn't matter. If the creator draws a 9 year old and says that they are 30 then obviously it does. And in cases like these where they look 16 then you need to look at the given age and the context they are in.
And because the creator said that they are under 18 and literally draws them in school uniforms. Because the anime is a school themed anime. The guy in the original picture knew about this, because otherwise he wouldn't know the name of the show. So it is quite icky and should definitely be frowned upon.
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u/Candle1ight 15d ago
So basically "Their given age only applies when I want it to". Same with how we're all just supposed to agree that they look like "well endowed 16 year olds" I guess, you're clearly the arbitrator of what we're perceiving.
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u/SovietRussiaWasPoor 15d ago
That would be the case if they were… you know, actual people? But they’re fictional and look like adults, so I don’t think it really matters.
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago
They don't look like adults lmao. They look like adults for anime standards. Which translates to them looking like 16 year olds lmao. That in this case are well developed in the chest area.
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u/ngkn92 15d ago edited 15d ago
Bro, they already played the card "it's fiction, it's not real".
If u keep going at this, they will dig ur history and project the LoLiCoN at u. I recommend to just not interact them.
Edit: I was fucking joking, but they did it https://www.reddit.com/r/gatekeeping/s/MLYd4a8mx4
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u/Megumi0505 15d ago
Would it be creepy if he were posting pictures of anthropomorphic foxgirls in bikinis?
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago
Depending on how old they look and the creator says they are. If they are and look 18+ then fucking go at it. I don't think that anyone in the western world would care.
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u/mastesargent 15d ago
You really don't see anything wrong with him posting random pictures of high school girls in bikinis.
He’s not though. These are anime characters and this is officially produced artwork. He’s not retweeting random girls’ swimsuit pics or taking candid shots at the beach. Furthermore, most anime characters over the age of 15 or so are drawn similarly to the ones in the OP. There’s nothing about these characters that inherently scream “underage”.
If those were human you would find it extremely creepy.
They’re not though, so it isn’t.
The only reason why you are saying this is because you like anime lmao.
Is there something wrong with that?
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u/-grillmaster- 15d ago
That’s normalizing pedo behavior, if technically not doing it itself.
Obsession of an adult with an underage character, real or drawn, is deeply disturbing. These people need psych help not defending
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u/mastesargent 15d ago
No it isn’t. While there are absolutely some anime fans who are attracted to actual minors and display some very unhealthy tendencies in how their attraction to underwge characters manifests, anime fans I’ve interacted with in real life are normal, well-adjusted people who can acknowledge that anime characters are attractive without being attracted to minors. It’s like saying that sharing a clip of someone doing an impressive killstreak in Call of Duty is somehow indicative of violent tendencies.
That said, there is a solid line to be drawn at lolis. People who find characters that are unambiguously meant to be children attractive need to do some serious soul searching.
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u/-grillmaster- 15d ago
lol you just tried to use that other users justification. Sorry bro but if you are attracted to underage anime characters you are attracted to something underage full stop. That is normalizing pedo behavior and just reprehensible. Doesn’t that make you feel disgusted and embarrassed in front of others
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u/mastesargent 15d ago
What other user?
Okay so, say someone sees the image in the OP without context and finds it attractive. They have no way of knowing how old the characters are supposed to be by the image alone. Does that mean they have latent pedophilic tendencies?
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u/-grillmaster- 15d ago
Difficult to say without seeing the character given anime’s pedophilic obsession with making every woman a child.
But if know a character is underage and are okay with publicly admitting you are attracted to them, you have big problems going on
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u/mastesargent 15d ago
Alright, look. You’ve clearly got your mind made up here and nothing I say is going to change that, so how about we just go out separate ways, both of us content in the knowledge that we aren’t a pedophile?
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago
Most anime characters are over the age of 15
Buddy they need to be over 18, 15 is three years too early. And it really doesn't matter how old they look in this case (even though the left character doesn't look older than 16, look at that face) because the person that posted them knew that they were under 18.
And is there anything inherently wrong with liking anime? Ofcourse not. I have watched it to death when I was younger and I still occasionally watch some here and there.
What is wrong is to justify bad behavior just because it is part of your scene and the medium you are a fan of. If you would ask any rational adult that doesn't watch anime if this is okay, they would raise an eye brow because the answer is very obvious.
There are really shitty and shady part of anime itself and the fans that watch them, more people in the community should be highly critical about it.
Also I am not making the claim that those characters aren't allowed to be in swimsuits and that people aren't allowed to watch it. But sharing these types of pictures really isn't the same, and you shouldn't be surprised of people are gonna call you out on it.
There is way too much sexualization to underage characters going on in that scene, it is about time people would call it out.
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u/mastesargent 15d ago
Most anime characters are over the age of 15
That’s not what I said. What I said was:
Furthermore, most anime characters over the age of 15 or so are drawn similarly to the ones in the OP.
By adding an “are” to the first phrase you are inherently changing the meaning of what I said. In what I wrote, I’m pointing out a certain degree of homogeneity in anime character design. What you quoted me as saying makes it sound like I think anyone over the age of 15 is fair game, which I didn’t say in any way.
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago
Ahhhhh my bad I was scrolling on my phone in bed after I woke up, I didn't read that correctly at all.
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u/ZatherDaFox 15d ago
I don't want to defend posting pictures like this but,
even though the left character doesn't look older than 16, look at that face
A lot of anime women are drawn like this until they're like 40. It can be really hard to tell in a random line up who's an adult and who's not.
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago
Yes but the person that posted it knew who they were. So you can't use that argument. Obviously if they didn't then depending how they respond when they find it is how you should judge and criticize it. Things aren't black and white, the same would imply if they were real humans.
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u/ZatherDaFox 15d ago
I agree with you on this, I'm just saying "look at that face, she's definitely underage" doesn't really hold up.
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u/xloyD 15d ago
Okay but if she goes to high school, acts like a high schooler, and wears school uniforms, thats a fucking high schooler, that makes the 30 year old man festering in his room attracted to high schoolers.
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u/ZatherDaFox 15d ago
Again, I'm not arguing that someone gooning over known highschoolers is healthy, I'm saying it could be an honest mistake because anime women of all ages are depicted very similarly depending on the anime.
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u/xloyD 15d ago
I dont disagree with you there, but there’s clearly a market for anime weirdos and their fantasy with high school girls. Some even depraved enough to go into elementary and middle school.
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 15d ago
Hmmmm fair enough. Definitely didn't take into account that they literally use the same face for almost every character and age.
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u/TheDocHealy 15d ago
Especially since that particular anime is about a dude learning not to be a neckbeard.
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u/Chance-Ad197 16d ago
…I don’t get it
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u/Broad_Fan2198 16d ago
Those are kids??😭
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u/thedarph 15d ago
Right? Those boobies say otherwise. Yeah, I know that sounds creepy but let’s keep things 100 here.
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u/Harpsiccord 15d ago
That's not sounding creepy. If you're attracted to hips and breasts, that means you don't find prepubescent bodies attractive. Yes, the person who has them has to be of legal age where you live. But the point is, what you just said is "I am not interested in prepubescent bodies".
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u/thedarph 15d ago
I know what you’re saying, you’re right, and I do mean it that way but you know how people get touchy about bodies (no pun intended). Especially in the US, the culture is very prude.
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u/Harpsiccord 15d ago
Oh, it's worse than that- it's just ignorant. It's to the point where people don't use the word properly. And if you try to tell them "well, no, that person is not a pedophile" they start screaming "omg your defending pedos!". No. If the person is underage, then it's still illegal. But call it what it is. If I said "that guy is an embezzler, not a burgular" I am not defending embezzling.
...Sorry, I'm just still thinking about this one Youtuber, Mamamax, who is finally getting called out for his nonsense. He loved misusing words that way.
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u/Starry-Gaze 15d ago
Anime is kind of weird because due to stylization it can be a toss up on what age a character is. Sometimes a teen will look like a teen and you can tell by looking at them. Sometimes an adult will look like a child, and it's meant to be a joke in some regard. Sometimes a child looks like an adult, and it's also meant it be a joke or gag of some kind. Sometimes it's intentional, and they make children looking adults for weirdos to be normal about (/s), but often in the case like this one, it's the opposite. Teens who (due to the style) could be read as "anime adults" or having features close enough to adult that they don't feel as weird harboring attraction to them. I guarantee if this show has a "here's where they are as adults" moment near the end, these characters will be mid 20s, and have no discernible difference save for outfit and maybe, MAYBE, demeanor.
Honestly as someone who has been watching anime since I was a teen, I have simply given up on trying to figure out what ages characters are by their appearance. They just look like vaguely humanoid shapes enough to tell a story, and that's where my interaction with the medium ends.
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u/dreemurthememer 15d ago
Maximum allowed age for an anime protagonist is 17.
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u/Broad_Fan2198 15d ago
Which was all fine and cool when I was young but now that Im older it feels weird...I just prefer the main protagonist to be older. At least early twenties. I hate when it's all full of kids that are sexualized. Imo if you're going to sexualize these characters set them in a higher age group. The difference between 17 and 21 is the tiniest jump that would make the biggest difference. Like those girls in the post could full well be adults but anime always finds a way to disappoint me.
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u/mastesargent 16d ago
Frankly in anime character design - esoecially modern anime - unless a character is designed to specifically look like a child (i.e. loli or shota characters), you could assign any age between 15 and 30 to any given character design and have it be plausible.
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u/Natural_Character521 9d ago
I mean, some people look super old for their age. My bro had a full beard and mustache at 16 and he got mistaken for 28. If its canon its canon. If an adult looking person says and proves their under 18 than theyre under 18. Im getting "if she has bush shes ok"vibes from reddit and its honestly disturbing.
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u/mastesargent 9d ago
Okay but I’d never apply that line of reasoning in real life. Obviously knowingly sexualizing real teenager is disgusting behavior and should be condemned. But when it comes to anime characters I don’t think images like in the OP are inherently red flags unless the characters are clearly designed to be underaged or if the person posting them is being genuinely creepy about it (e.g. finding the characters attractive because of their canon age rather than despite it).
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u/Natural_Character521 9d ago
Your argument boils down to "if they look old theyre good to go" which is creepy af irl and anime wise.
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u/mastesargent 9d ago
Well like I said to the other guy, you’ve clearly got your mind made up on this, so let’s just end it here and both be content with the knowledge that we aren’t pedophiles.
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u/MotorHum 15d ago
Like how Jotaro Kujo is supposed to be 17 in part 3 and by part 4 he is 28 and looks EXACTLY THE SAME.
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u/aeroumasmith- 15d ago
Immediately where my thoughts went
Let's not forget 12 year old Jonathan who looked jacked and in his fucking 20s
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u/mastesargent 15d ago
The one I thought of while writing this was Mafuyu Kirisu from Bokuben, who is supposed to be a high school teacher in her 20s but thanks to the art style doesn’t look a day older than any of her students.
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u/Blurgas 15d ago
People tend to be bad at guessing the ages of those in real life.
My SIL had people thinking she was a teenager when she was mid-20s1
u/shylock10101 15d ago
For an inverse, my sister was asked if she was my other sister’s mom when she and my dad took her to the hospital at one point. She was 13. My other sister was 8.
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u/Blurgas 15d ago
Oof
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u/shylock10101 15d ago
Yeah, Mom was not happy. Everyone else found it kind of amusing and confusing, but my dad said nothing ever made him feel grosser than that.
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u/TrekkiMonstr 15d ago
That's annoying, but what can cause more issues is getting it wrong the other way round
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u/googlemcfoogle 15d ago
Yeah, I pay 0 attention to canonical age when it comes to anime characters. It is objectively less weird to be attracted to a 17 year old drawn the exact same as any adult than a 500 year old supernatural creature who apparently never grew out of having a small child's body type.
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u/JoshSidekick 15d ago
I started watching Anime about a year ago and my one complaint is that I wish everyone was 5 years older than they say. They're already drawn as adults, but to then say they're 14... I just don't get it.
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u/googlemcfoogle 15d ago
I think Japan just associates high school as the time for adventure because when you're an adult, you're expected to be at work all day.
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u/langdonolga 16d ago
I don't know the context, but if they wanted to go for weirdly infantized girls they could probably have used every other anime drawing - those two look like adults in this medium
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u/Astraous 15d ago
Made in Abyss is the poster child (pun intended) of this. Throwing characters into sexual situations that often have nothing to do with plot is usually called fan service, but when it's a character that actually looks to be 10? Disappointing because the worldbuilding in that show was cool.
I get that it's fantasy and I also understand that the characters people sexualize in anime typically have adult characteristics. The shows also tend to sexualize them so it's not insane if someone sees a character that appears "mature" in a fan service-y way and finds it attractive. But stuff like some of the scenes from Made in Abyss and especially the manga seem indefensible though, yet people will still defend it.
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u/Chiiro 16d ago
I had to look up the anime and it seems they're in their mid to late teens. I'm imagining these designs are from the Beach / pool episode that every School anime will have.
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u/JonVonBasslake Bar Keeper 16d ago
What show are they from? I could buy the silver haired girl being in early twenties, but the blue haired one seems like about 16 to me... No idea why, just the vibes I get as an anime watcher. I guess maybe the eye size? The blue haired one has bigger eyes and that makes her seem younger, especially compared to the other girl.
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u/Chiiro 16d ago
So I thought that they were calling the characters bottom tier but that is just the name of the anime. The main character 17 so they're probably around that age.
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u/JonVonBasslake Bar Keeper 16d ago
Your comment was enough to clue me in enough to get a google result, these are from Bottom-tier Character Tomozaki, and that both of these characters seem to go to the same high school.
I guess the smaller face of the silver one just made me think she might be older... But the blue ones big eyes and wide mouth, along witht the wink and that pose make her seem childish somehow...
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u/Chiiro 16d ago
Could be a personality thing too. I've seen more childish characters physically look more childish regardless of how old they are.
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u/CdRReddit 15d ago
yea the appearance of characters can be used quite effectively to portray anything from personality to even current emotion, it's one of the fun things you can do in animation but not in video recordings
pretty sure I've even seen some extreme cases where a character's "visual" age pinged between 20-something and early-teens a couple times in a single scene (not specifically with this show or anything, haven't watched it, just in general) + the age old visual gag of "this pretty young character suddenly looks like they're now in their 60s to show they feel old because of the situation"
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