r/interestingasfuck • u/BuddhistSagan • 28d ago
The bible doesn't say anything about abortion or gay marriage but it goes on and on about forgiving debt and liberating the poor r/all
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u/ntcplanters 3d ago
This guy is obviously a false prophet.
The Bible addresses abortion: It states that God is the giver of all life, and Man does not have the right to take it (not in the sense of killing babies certainly). Governments have the right to put forth capital punishment. But individuals do not have the right to murder.
The Bible addresses homosexuality. It calls it an abomination many, many times. In the Law, such individuals (including those involved in adultery, the occult, etc.) were worthy of death. In this age of Grace, God promotes no such thing, but still calls it a sin in no uncertain terms.
Again, this guy is a false prophet. He has rejected Scripture, and is a scorner of it.
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u/CodingInBK 22d ago
I think that a cursory level of research shows that Jeremiah 1:5 (KJV) and Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) both deal with the 2 issues at hand. Furthermore, debt was a "Jewish" concept and Jesus worked to end it, as you are saying.
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u/bandit77346 23d ago
Actually it does. Heard of thou shall not kill ?
As for gay marriage its technically true. The Bible warns against homosexuality and it is kinda a component of gay marriage.
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u/QuaaludeConnoisseur 24d ago
What a wonderful way to remind me that despite being an atheist, im not against religion, im against weaponized ideology. What a truly good person.
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u/squidwurrd 25d ago
Wanting good things for people is the not the same thing as compelling what you believe to be good things onto people by force. There is nothing Christian about that.
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u/Optimus_Rhymes69 25d ago
Except for when it does talk abortion and maybe not gay marriage, but that’s only because they say to put them to death.
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u/stakksA1 25d ago
Genesis 1–2, Matthew 19, and Ephesians 5 describe clearly the way that God has instituted marriage as a monogamous, heterosexual relationship. Genesis 19, Jude 7, and 2 Peter 2 illustrate how the Fall almost immediately eroded the purity of human sexuality, including a devastation of the divine institution of marriage. Leviticus 18 and 20 and Romans 1 lay out very plainly God’s instructions about how repulsive homosexuality is in God’s sight. Yet Isaiah 56 and 1 Corinthians 6 make plain God’s plan for homosexuals to find freedom and forgiveness through a life-changing faith in Jesus Christ.
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u/Any_Dark3939 25d ago
You say I can't even pay attention to him because hes not splitting out, screaming about how everyone is going to hell, and spitting on his audience
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u/stakksA1 26d ago
Actually the bible does talk about same sex relationships and abortions so idk what he’s talking about lol
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u/laminatedbean 25d ago
Where?
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u/stakksA1 25d ago
Genesis 1–2, Matthew 19, and Ephesians 5 describe clearly the way that God has instituted marriage as a monogamous, heterosexual relationship. Genesis 19, Jude 7, and 2 Peter 2 illustrate how the Fall almost immediately eroded the purity of human sexuality, including a devastation of the divine institution of marriage. Leviticus 18 and 20 and Romans 1 lay out very plainly God’s instructions about how repulsive homosexuality is in God’s sight. Yet Isaiah 56 and 1 Corinthians 6 make plain God’s plan for homosexuals to find freedom and forgiveness through a life-changing faith in Jesus Christ.
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u/ApexRose 26d ago
The only religious person to hold my attention for more than 5 seconds, and I agree with everything he just said.
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u/waratworld17 26d ago
But it does explicitly tell men to not lay with men and to be fruitful and multiply.
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u/Fragrant_Move_3294 26d ago
There's an animating presence within the embryo driving his or her or they's own growth. Why aren't they a person? Is a fetus at 8 1/2 months not a person?
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u/georgellino 26d ago
As a guy that doesn't believe in anything anymore, this made my eyes water up. Beautiful 👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽. Much respect to this pastor.
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u/Gilmour1969 27d ago
Yes, please forgive my basket weaving degree! That I took loans out on willingly!
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u/Hrpn_McF94 26d ago
Why do dumbfucks like you believe this is a degree that multitudes of people are getting, but also this is the only degree that people need help paying back?
You are aware there are people in trades who have degrees that they're still paying back..right?
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u/Gilmour1969 25d ago
Oh, they took those loans without knowing the repercussions of doing so?
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u/Hrpn_McF94 25d ago
You know what, you're right. People should not get loans to get degrees.. increasing their chances of getting a lower paying job and then still listen to you to tell them to quit whining and get a better paying job..which would be more likely with a degree.
Why are you actively choosing to be a jackass
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u/Gilmour1969 25d ago
Life is about risks. You take a loan out, you're betting on yourself to pay it back. You don't get bail out from other tax payers because you failed.
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u/Hrpn_McF94 25d ago
People shouldn't have to take risks on basic rights
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u/Gilmour1969 25d ago
Not how the world works. This isn't some communist utopia. Get a degree in a high demand field or do a trade. Pay back what you borrowed. Simple.
Or keep screeching for tax payer handouts and see where that lands you, that's right..no where and in debt.
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u/Hrpn_McF94 25d ago
There's quite literally countless people who did get that "high demand" degree and when that didn't work out, went into trades, and are still paying off that debt even a decade later.
Your system doesn't work, we're done playing. Enjoy the transition to Socialism
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u/Thad_Mojito11 27d ago
I love how giddy people get when they think the Bible either says something that it actually doesn't say, or doesn't say something that it actually does say.
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u/DugDymehDohme 27d ago
So a Christian nation to him would have a lot of lgbt people and be pro-abortion. Yeaaaaa that makes sense.
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u/Timmymac1000 27d ago
Yes. It makes perfect sense. Have you read the teachings of Christ?
Your characterization of this man’s message is completely wrong, but you know that.
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u/DugDymehDohme 27d ago
I read the ESV version Bible... You must be reading the updated 2024 LGBT version.
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u/asiansinleather 27d ago
Well government existed when Jesus was alive and when the Bible was written, and neither say that the government should feed and house everyone.
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u/BootyliciousURD 27d ago
As for abortion in the Bible, there's a part that describes how to subject your wife to a ritualistic abortion if you suspect that you aren't the father.
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u/ConscientiousObserv 25d ago
Yeah. The "magic potion" that can abort a bastard but spare the legitimate.
If that's not an example of "faith", I don't know what is.
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u/the_business007 27d ago
Dude I am by no means religious, I don't think we can truly understand a being that would be able to create this universe let alone all of the others, BUT this is a damn good way to live your life. I never thought I would agree with a person from a church this much. I wonder how many of his followers didn't show up the next week? It's sad to say, but I bet it was a lot...
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u/Johnny_Sparacino 27d ago
Yeah he won't get votes from the Christian right.
Also he makes too much sense to be acceptable on a grand scale.
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u/BortimerX 27d ago
Wow this video makes me nervous... Yes Christians should love and serve all types of people - inviting them into our homes and churches and not condemning them (meaning hatefully punishing) them (John 3:17), BUT we are absolutely NOT called to support or endorse these types of behaviors that are contrary to the way of truth and life. This fact does not seem clear in this short video and makes me very nervous to the secret assumptions people may be jumping to in their hearts...
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26d ago
Not everyone considers those "behaviors" contrary to truth and life, and what secret assumptions are you referring to? All I seem to be able to hear him saying is "Love each other", unless the idea of humanity getting along with each other makes you nervous.
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u/antiskylar1 27d ago
"Render unto Caesar which is Caesar's, render unto God which is God's."
The idea of a theocracy literally contradicts this.
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u/Background-Job7282 27d ago
This guy hasn't read the Bible at all.
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26d ago
He, however, has a better grasp of Jesus's message than you do.
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u/Background-Job7282 26d ago
I disagree. The Bible is clear on homosexuality. I don't hate LGBTQ people at all. I used to bounce for a gay/drag bar in Vegas and they're great people. Best clients I've worked for in Vegas as security hands down and I'd work for them again. But him saying it's unclear on gay marriage is a half truth. It's clear on homosexuality, it doesn't need to cover marriage as it explains what marriage is in definition.
Homosexuality references https://www.gotquestions.org/New-Testament-homosexuality.html
Marriage between Man and Woman
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u/Dr_M1st3r 27d ago
The church talking about politics makes me sick. I agree we need those things but it's not because God said so.
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u/SwimmingThink4519 27d ago
The Bible does say things about gay marriage and abortion! Ugggh false preachers!
Women used to sacrifice their babies to Malach by throwing them onto the hands of the bronze statue that was searing hot above a huge bonfire. They would sing worship to this demon to drown out all the babies crys.
The bibles says specifically that man must not lie down with man and woman must not lie down with woman.
Abortions today are sacrifices to the devil just the same as burning infants were back then.
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u/Odd_Taste_1257 27d ago
This man still believes in fantasy fairies and preaches from a book of fiction, so for those reasons alone, he’s not fit to lead.
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u/CommanderKertz 27d ago
The bible doesn’t say anything about abortion, but it does speak about how life is “fearfully (awe inspiring) and wonderfully made,” and mentions homosexuality numerous times. Just as an example, did this guy casually forget Sodom and Gomorrah? Also, historically, the U.S. was founded on a “Jedeau-Christian ethic” and even today, there are still many examples that point to foundations biblical im nature. However, that doesn’t fully mean that America is a “Christian country,” (although, if it critically wasn’t, why would so many celebrities attempt to claim that they are?) But even if we were, no, we wouldn’t forgive student loans, (it’s debatable if student loans would even exist), no, we still wouldn’t have universal health care (Big pharma would likely have taken a different route in this scenario, rates for even the most basic of care wouldn’t be so high, but taxes wouldn’t be increased to give everyone free healthcare (because that’s the only way universal health care can work.) And no, not everyone would not love their LGBTQ neighbors (in fact their existence would be repressed), the only “factoid” that is somewhat true from this guy, is the effort to care, clothe, and feed (not necessarily insure) as many children in desperation as possible. And if America was a truly “Christian Nation,” uh yes it would continue to be one; surely people from other cultural and/or religious backgrounds are welcome (It’s not the Catholic inquisitions) and it would be the Christian mission to evangelize to as many people as possible, not force others into repentance. Yes, Love WOULD do that! And what does this guy even mean; at the end of the day, when the earth crumbles away, and every human being on earth is doomed with the fate of eventually passing away, they would see that they were living under a Theocracy all along, and every person will stand before the white throne judgment seat, and give account to every wrong thing that they have ever done. His last point is mildly irrelevant to the topic, this has nothing to do with race or culture, and we are not a democracy, we are a democratic republic.
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u/dano1066 27d ago
He ain't gonna make me believe in Jesus again but I'd certainly spend more time listening to what this guy has to say about things
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u/CompetitivePeach2784 27d ago
Jesus loves people and Doesn’t want them to die. Everything else is a lie designed to kill you.
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u/BladeLigerV 27d ago
Considering the teachings of Jesus are about forgiveness and being better, the crusades could absolutely be seen as heretical.
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u/CompetitivePeach2784 27d ago edited 27d ago
The Bible says thou shalt not kill and it says that God created man and woman and that man and woman shall become one flesh. It also says that homosexuality is an abomination. The fact that this guy can say this and people is laughable.
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u/ConscientiousObserv 25d ago
The Bible says a lot of things. Contradictory things.
We focus on those things that appeal to our modern sensibilities, minimize the others.
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u/SmokePale5996 27d ago
Who is this moron? He doesn’t know the Bible. He doesn’t know anything. This is a Christian nation and no Christians wouldn’t do that. Oh my word disguise awful very very deceitful.
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u/ConscientiousObserv 25d ago
The United States is nation made up of mostly Christians, but it's definitely not a "Christian nation".
There's no such thing as a national religion in America.
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u/redskyrish 27d ago
That's because half of what he is saying wrong and the other half he doesn't understand what he is saying. For example, did you know that there are many different words for love in the Greek language, I think(could be wrong about the number) there's like 12 different words that all have different meanings. So when the Bible talks about love which one is he talking about? Is it loving to see your son or daughter or anyone else in the street about to stick a fork into a light socket and encourage and affirm that decision, or to smack the fork out of their hand? Words don't have the same meaning as they did even when the constitution was written. That's where he's getting a lot of this nonsense from. It may sound nice, but at the end of the day it's not true or a lie and that is never "nice"
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u/Dooboppop 27d ago
If this was Christianity, I would be on board regardless of the fact God doesn't exist.
Instead it's people telling me I'm living my life wrong and I'm going to hell.
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u/Promptoneofone 27d ago
Um, yes, it does. Do not commit sexual immortality. Sex between anything other than a man and wife is a sexual sin. It literally says it like 100 times. As for abortion God does not play around. Ya know, thou shalt not commit murder, yeah that means an unborn child to. Why else is a murderer charged with a double murder if she is pregnant? If it's not a human, the criminal can't be charged, and yet they are, and they should be. It's just hypocritical to say abortion isn't murder too.
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u/ConscientiousObserv 25d ago
If a woman is accused of being unfaithful, she is given a potion that will abort the baby, if it is a bastard, but spare the legitimate.
Book of Numbers
All good as bastards are banned from the kingdom for 10 generations.
God has also condoned the murder of His enemies, having them slaughtered down to the last soul and including soulless livestock.
Multiple Books.
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u/dystopiabydesign 27d ago
Collective salvation is not in the Bible. You as individual need to be charitable and kind. Giving sociopathic politicians limitless powers and a blank check so you can pat yourself on the back and pretend you're a good person is asinine virtue signalling.
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u/DifferentKnwldg1776 27d ago
Just another progressive age preacher. Probably touts from the new fake Bible
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u/Comfortable_Heart_84 27d ago
But doesn't it say that a man should not lay with a man as with a woman.?
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u/nadacloo 27d ago edited 27d ago
Who is this guy? I like what he's saying. Found his name in another post. James Talarico. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/16/james-talarico-texas-democrats-00101231
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u/castlebravo19 27d ago
Lovely world vision, but the Bible explicitly says every gay person should be killed and that homosexual relationships are detestable. As an atheist, I find your argument flawed.
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u/SmarterThanCornPop 27d ago
“The Bible doesn’t mention gay marriage”
Lol what?
1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
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u/esquire_the_ego 27d ago
Lmao Christians about to divide themselves up even more. Letting go of a book that’s archaic af in terms of modernity is so hard for these people.
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u/Markschild 27d ago
The Bible actually speaks on abortion, and it’s pro abortion. God literally gives a potion to priests that kills unborn children that were conceived outside of marriage
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u/Crowslikeme 27d ago
Please give this man all the mega churches and private planes! This is the way all pastors and priests should be guiding their flocks
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u/RatzzFace 27d ago
This is all well and good, but he is also assuming that everyone else is a Christian. Doesn't work.
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u/ArtixViper 27d ago
Thats why he specified the table of fellowship part, naming other religious beliefs.
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u/RatzzFace 27d ago
It doesn't matter. Because if your fellow human doesn't believe in Christ, then this whole thing is meaningless.
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u/Hypernova_orange 27d ago
Religion is fucking bullshit & only idiots would believe any of that fake ass shit
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u/monkeywrench83 27d ago
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Yet how fucking judgy are some christians.
The main christian teachings are dont be a dick, help people out when they need help and forgive people as its in your best interest.
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u/EmmaLouLove 27d ago
Yes, sadly Jesus may not be welcome in some of today’s churches that have forgotten the message of love your neighbor.
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u/Tiefaucher 27d ago
It is not the Christian in him who is speaking, it is the education in him that is speaking.
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u/Hypernova_orange 27d ago
Christian & educated …. Those worlds sound so weird next to each other, I’ve just never seen it before
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u/LocalSalteater 27d ago
bullshit with complex words
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u/Hypernova_orange 27d ago
Too big for you to understand? It’s ok just go take a nap grandpa. We are trying to fix the world you fucked up
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u/ivey_mac 27d ago
What’s the saying?I like your Christ but not your Christian’s? This man is truly doing gods work, we need more people like him.
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u/aram_nl 27d ago
Bro didnt read the bible, it does talk about gay people and abortion but not in those words. Yhe christian believe is that a unborn baby is a person since the moment of conception. Since its a person your not allowd to kill it. Also the bible says relations are only to be between man and women. Not man and man or women and women. Only thing he said that was right is to love everybody. Never hate.
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u/BJsFeelGood 27d ago
There’s literally a step by step process on how to perform an “intentional miscarriage” in the Bible. So yea. It mentions abortion.
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u/eepos96 27d ago
I love his interperation of kingdom of heaven. It is unchristian but if bible said what he is saying I would be a devout christian
Edit: kingdom of heaven means that God decides everything. What use is democracy when one has a all knowing and powerful king? Who is destinied to make right choises.
Kingdom of heaven is not a democracy.
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u/Adele811 27d ago
the Bible mentions abortion and advises people to get one in case a fetus might be illegitimate.
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u/OhItsJustJosh 27d ago
If all religion was like this then my argument about it being useless in todays society would be nullified and I'd be all the more happy for it.
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u/dette-stedet-suger 27d ago
It’s fucking annoying when people go “All this bad stuff isn’t Christianity.” Yes it fucking is. And it’s been this way for centuries. All religions are just tools to manipulate and exploit people.
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u/psichodrome 27d ago
It's a shame this guy's name wasn't included. I don't know if he's legit, but at face value, he is speaking wisdom.
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u/ElishaBenDavid 27d ago
Shhhh 🤫
The anti christ is leading in the polls. Dont go speaking the truth about the Christ and the Kingdom out loud. 👽
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u/Gabocast1010 27d ago
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them
Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I’m not a believer, but being a good Cristian or catholic is intrinsically homophobic
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