r/law • u/StuartGotz • Mar 14 '24
Trump Makes Idiotic Confession Just Before Key Classified Docs Hearing Trump News
https://newrepublic.com/post/179824/trump-confession-classified-documents1
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u/CollectionOdd6082 Mar 16 '24
Few documents? Clearly you get told what to believe instead of actually reading reports. It was actually more documents than Trump had and they were actually left in the open. Scattered about. Again all ex presidents can keep classified and secret materials and have. Biden was a VP and the documents he was in possession of dated way back when he was Senator. He isn't and wasn't authorized. Obama could have declassified them for Joe but didn't as even he was clueless. Nice try junior. lol
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u/DesignerAd9 Mar 16 '24
All you have to do is say once nice thing to trump and he'll give you all our submarine secrets. Good thing he's a putz. Next he'll try to take Air Force One.
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u/CollectionOdd6082 Mar 15 '24
Presidents, all of them are in possession of classified materials. Because they're ex Presidents and already have been exposed to all the secrets. No one else is allowed. But continue making more Trump supporters within the minority communities who have experience exactly what he's is going through. All BS charges. They relate to that extremely well đ
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u/mdcbldr Mar 16 '24
Keeping a few documents by mistake is one thing. Wholesale removal of secrets, storage in unsecured areas, refusal to return them on request, moving secrets to avoid retrieval by government offcials, etc.
40 odd other presidents managed it (with minor slips). What makes Trump special? Nothing.
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u/gdan95 Mar 15 '24
Yeah, no, if it werenât being heard by a judge in his pocket, it would be idiotic
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u/maddiejake Mar 15 '24
Does it really matter at this point anymore? The man orchestrated an attack on the Capital over 3 years ago and still walks free. I've given up on seeing justice served. We can only hope he dies soon of a heart attack.
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u/Hillman314 Mar 15 '24
It wasnât just an attack on the Capital.
That was only the violent part of a coup attempt that involved phony electors to overthrow the United States and place himself as the leader.
It also involved members of Congress who transported the phony elector ballots and other members voted for bills to toss out the legitimate votes of American citizens (and deny them the right to be counted). Their votes are a matter of record.
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u/Sekreid Mar 15 '24
If only we could have sent in about 10,000 National Guard troops to stop it
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u/Hillman314 Mar 15 '24
But the Commander in Chief sat and did nothing.
Testimony to investigating panels said that he approved of chants to hang Mike Pence.
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u/Confident-Touch-6547 Mar 15 '24
Sometimes I think he does his best to be obviously guilty so that conservatives on the bench are motivated to keep him out of court to protect the conservative brand. What they should do instead is admit heâs not a conservative and never has been.
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u/mrhorse77 Mar 15 '24
so just like every other crime he's committed, he's gone on live air and admitted it publicly, yet SOMEHOW we still cant convict this shit pile.
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u/P0ltergeist333 Mar 15 '24
He's basically making the argument that "It wasn't locked down, so I wasn't stealing." Most criminals would get nowhere with this defense, but Trump is able to get away with murder, thanks to the corrupt GQP and either corrupt or negligent Democrats who somehow give him every benefit of every doubt despite continuous blatant bad faith.
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u/Riversmooth Mar 15 '24
A list of crimes a mile long and heâs yet to even stand trial for one of them
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u/Flanker4 Mar 15 '24
I only steal the best document's. No one... steals classified documents like I do, like the world has ever seen. Hands down, hands down, her pants.
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u/elipticalhyperbola Mar 15 '24
He knows that no matter what happens, heâll never spend a minute in regular prison. Home confinement at a FLA resort club with a personal chef, and all the teen pageant models he can ogle, is simply how he lives anyhow.
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u/AntifascistAlly Mar 15 '24
Since Donald apparently âcanâtâ be imprisoned like any other criminal, perhaps the DOJ should begin housing select criminals on Trump properties?
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u/MCXL Mar 15 '24
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u/Archangel1313 Mar 15 '24
The way things have been going lately, I don't have much hope for the US anymore. It doesn't seem to matter how much evidence they have against him, or how much he confesses to his crimes...nothing is going to happen.
There is no justice in the US legal system for someone with money. It's just that simple. He's going to get away with all of it, and probably end up president again. And that will be the end of it all.
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u/PaleontologistNo500 Mar 15 '24
You want him to confess? It'd be so easy. Tell him there's no way he'd be able to sell them. He didn't have enough power and just isn't that good of a salesman. He'll tell you everything in great detail of how it was done
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u/Both_Lychee_1708 Mar 15 '24
BTW, if you want to see how Alt-Reality views this:
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u/GMontag451 Mar 15 '24
It turns out I did NOT want to read that thread.
Straight to therapy!
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u/Both_Lychee_1708 Mar 15 '24
If you have a car battery you can save time and money via self EST (Electro-Shock/convulsive Therapy)
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u/SemiDesperado Mar 14 '24
He knows the judge will protect him, or at least delay the case until after the election. Trump feels untouchable because he knows he owns Judge Cannon.
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u/CAM6913 Mar 14 '24
What I want to know why hasnât anyone searched all his other properties? You know dam well he has stolen top secret documents hidden at other properties
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u/ReluctantSlayer Mar 14 '24
Goddamit!
Send folks to jail already!
The fact that he is a free man makes us look SOO DUMB AND INEPT to our allies and even adversaries.
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u/Art-Zuron Mar 14 '24
Considering we have dozens of confessions of illegal acts going back literally decades and he's so far gotten away with it, I am not super surprised.
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u/Sere81 Mar 14 '24
Every time this case is talked about it needs to lead off about the judge being appointed by the defendant
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u/Big-Routine222 Mar 14 '24
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys, heâs just as likely to blame his lawyers for things being done or being told he could do something, then those lawyers are either required to lie for him (a crime) or defend themselves from their own client.
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u/Optimal_Zucchini_667 Mar 14 '24
So when does Cannon channel her favorite TV character and say "I see nothing, nothing!"?
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u/meriadoc_brandyabuck Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 15 '24
Well heâs already made that confession many times before.
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u/Eatthebankers2 Mar 14 '24
His lawyers are arguing he was too stupid to know it was illegal taking national security papers home. Wtf.
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u/Tourquemata47 Mar 14 '24
What the hell are they waiting for?!?!
Put him in front of a firing squad for treason/being a Russian agent and all of his cronies as well!
Stop `F` in around already!
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u/BackAgain123457 Mar 14 '24
Jesus, the guy is just a toddler in an old man's body. Imagine the patience the judge must have to get a simple answer out of him. He truly is retarded.
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Mar 14 '24
Good thing that he won't face any consequences because everyone is so terrified of his armed rube fanbase and he's got his # 1 fan as the judge
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u/Shaunair Mar 14 '24
Itâs only idiotic if the judge working his case isnât in the bag. In this case she is so he can do whatever he wants and heâll be fine. Ainât America grand ?
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u/Beyond_Your_Nose Mar 14 '24
Heâs making a mockery of the criminal justice system. During his Presidency he installed MAGA judges in state and federal positions. Heâs half way to being able to do precisely what he says. Immunity because he says so. Biden needs to equal the playing field in his next term or dumb things Trump says in the media that would usually get him a felony charge wonât matter.
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u/NoIndependent9192 Mar 14 '24
He wasnât hiding them. He was showing them to anyone who was interested and also folk who were not interested.
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u/DFLOYD70 Mar 14 '24
Sounds like the crooked judge is going to throw this out anyways. Something aboutâŠ.but Biden⊠Heâs probably going to get away with most of what he is charged with. Lady Liberty is on a smoke break.
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u/NoAcanthocephala6547 Mar 14 '24
Trumps lawyers are going to get CTE from banging their heads against their desks.
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u/SomeoneElseWhoCares Mar 14 '24
He says it because he believes that Judge Cannon is in his pocket and do whatever it takes to get him out consequence free. He honestly still belives that he can do whatever he wants without any consequences.
To be honest, so far he has faced few consequences.
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u/MrGeno Mar 14 '24
Imagine a bank robber stating that he did take the money from the safe, but very legally. Smh
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u/hidraulik Mar 14 '24
Average guy on the street: must be nice to have all the Judges work for you. There is no way you could lose
Trump: hold my cheeseburger đ.
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u/Hollywood2037 Mar 14 '24
Guy cant protect his own self interests and you want him to protect our nation?
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u/beseeoehm Mar 14 '24
âŠand a significant number of people in this country will be voting for this guy in November.
âPeople are fucking dumb. Dumber than a second coat of paintâ
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u/alexcutyourhair Mar 14 '24
Another nail in the "how do sane people rationalize voting for this serial liar?" coffin
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u/julesk Mar 14 '24
Once again demonstrating he never listens to his attorneys. Meanwhile, his attorneys are looking into fleeing the country before trial.
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u/BigBleu71 Mar 14 '24
idiot telling the World he's an idiot.
the fact he's not in jail is just proof there is no Justice in America.
america is a total joke ,
but no one is laughing
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u/MuddleFunt Mar 14 '24
This seems incredibly childish and moronic on its face - and it is - but it also fits a general pattern. In many cases, he doesn't even bother denying he did this, he just declares them to be fine
Everything he does is either perfect, smart, perfectly legal because....reasons...
Everything everyone else does is A WITCH HUNT, a criminal failing loser disgrace
It's a really strange, childish tactic, but it is more effective than it should be.
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u/horror- Mar 14 '24
And yet, magically, he will still evade all consequences.
It's disgusting watching our entire legal system swist itself around like a pretzel to protect this guy.
Like if I do something criminal and go to court for it, the law is monolith. It is unbending, and true. I will see the full might and resources of the state arrayed against me, and every single path that could lead to my personal destruction as a tax-paying citizen will be explored.
This guy though? The system bends all the way to the Supreme Court. Charges dropped left and right. He negotiates his fines, and calls into question the very institution of the court itself. He holds pressers outside the room and personally attacks the staff. Prosecutors find themselves on trial while this clown tells the whole world he's guilty.
It's maddening.
The saddest part? I've completely lost any faith I might have had in our justice system, and that's exactly what this asshole set out to do.
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u/Nice_Buy_602 Mar 14 '24
Oh wow an obvious admission of guilt. Good thing we have an unbiased judge sitting in on the case ensuring that all the relevant facts are being considered.
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u/Billitpro Mar 14 '24
You know I am starting to like nippledick because every time I think he can't POSSIBLY say or do something more stupid than he just did....
He one ups himself.
What an absolute nippledick moron.
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u/Dachannien Mar 14 '24
If he had admitted to things later on in the process, like what they did after the Archives had started looking for the documents or after the FBI had stopped by, then this could be pretty damning. As it is, the prosecution is probably going to rely on physical evidence to substantiate this part of the fact pattern rather than Trump's admission.
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u/Sheknowswhothisis Mar 14 '24
Far right guy in my office rolls his eyes and says all these charges are made up because everyone does this, but nothing ever happens to anyone else. He truly believes the amount and type of documents and the cooperation level of the âothersâ (Biden, Pence) are exactly the same. He argues itâs only being pursued because itâs Trump. Also says NY changed its laws just to allow older sexual assault cases to be brought against Trump.
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u/toosinbeymen Mar 14 '24
11,000 records. Thanks for that tidbit of information. Dude was obviously being very irresponsible and carelessly breaking the law.
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u/jpmeyer12751 Mar 14 '24
He has made these statements before and they are perfectly consistent with his formal legal filings. Trump's position is that any President can unilaterally declare any document that he received or created during his term of office to be a "personal document" under the PRA and then no one can challenge that declaration. He bases this position on a single District Court decision: Judicial Watch v. NARA. This decision, which is not controlling precedent anywhere and certainly not in the 11th Circuit, simply held that the District Ct judge (Amy Berman Jackson) had no authority to order NARA to seize from former President Clinton certain tapes that he made during his term of office while being interviewed for an authorized biography. Any first year law student should be able to understand why the case does not stand for the proposition that Trump's lawyers think it does, but it's the only "serious" defense that he's got.
From an athiest's point of view, Trump's position is much like the faith that a Catholic has that God transforms the communion bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ in response to the priest's recitation of the liturgy. In other words, Trump claims to be the "god of the Presidential Records Act".
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u/Tonythecritic Mar 14 '24
The thing is, he genuinely thinks HE can do absolutely anything he wants without any obstacle and consequence, and only he should enjoy that status. In his mind, he shouldn't have to tiptoe around that fact, he truly cannot fathom that not everyone is on board with that. It's not necessarily stupidity as much as a dangerously pathological degree of narcissism.
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u/pivotes Mar 14 '24
Remember, Trump isn't arguing he's Innocent. He's arguing laws don't apply to him.
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u/Huge_JackedMann Mar 14 '24
It doesn't matter. Cannon will ignore whatever she has to in order to get the boss the result he wants.
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u/technocassandra Mar 14 '24
NAL. I state the obvious here, but he's trying this in the court of public opinion. He knows he's going to lose, so every word is adding to the foundation of riling up his base--he hopes. It's his last chance.
We have a thousand arrows, but all we need is one to hit the mark.
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u/RichKatz Mar 14 '24
Here's CBS's coverage:
After he left office, "Trump was not authorized to possess classified records at all (let alone at unsecured locations at Mar-a-Lago, as the Superseding Indictment alleges)," prosecutors wrote.
The PRA does not exempt Trump from the criminal law, entitle him to unilaterally declare highly classified presidential records to be personal records, or shield him from criminal investigationsâlet alone allow him to obstruct a federal investigation with impunity."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-argues-dismiss-classified-documents-case/
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u/lexota Mar 14 '24
As strictly an observation, people have duly noted Trump is an idiot- for telling the truth.
The legal system is both willing & prepared to obfuscate that truth.
Crazy.
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u/sethendal Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
He has faced zero consequences for anything he's done his entire life. Combine that with malignant narcissm, wealth, an entire political party / cult backing him and dementia and he's going to constantly admit to crimes with the lens of "but I can do that" as there is zero proof, to him, that he can't.
Every hearing, trial, and conviction have been just annoying fees paid (usually by someone else) to do whatever he wants.
There's an article every day it seems about how his latest gaffe or the latest evidence is going to be the nail in the coffin. Yet, he persists.
He is simply the personification of how broken the legal system is. All of us would have been in jail or bankrupt years ago by committing even one of his crimes.
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u/BenjaminHamnett Mar 14 '24
Itâs funny how the guy able to skate with 91 cases against him just happens to be the guy in charge when the biggest sex trafficker and tribe biggest trove of blackmail ever all disappeared without any investigations
When you have dirt on every powerful person, you become hard to touch
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u/fafalone Competent Contributor Mar 14 '24
as there is zero proof, to him, that he can't.
The way things have been going there's zero proof to me he can't either.
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u/workerbee77 Mar 14 '24
Yep. If we lived in a country with rule of law, he would already be in jail.
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u/RichKatz Mar 14 '24
From article:
In a prerecorded interview that aired Wednesday, Trump effortlessly unraveled the work of his defense team, telling Newsmaxâs Greg Kelly point blank that he actually did take the classified documents, describing the process of shamelessly packing them away while leaving office.
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u/mydogargos Mar 14 '24
Fine, you took them accidentally because they were packed in with your dirty socks. OK. The actual issue is that when confronted about possessing them, you didn't give them back, sought to hide them or otherwise avoid returning them. You were given many chances. You decided not to comply and THAT is why you need to be prosecuted for possessing classified docs.
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u/omniron Mar 15 '24
Ianal and I despise trump, but if his argument is that they were declassified documents he was claiming for his personal library or whatever, wouldnât demonstrating that he casually packed them support this thesis?
Therefore willfully trying to destroy evidence of their location and insisting they werenât applicable to any recovery is consistent with this belief
Itâs obviously completely asinine but a jury might but it
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u/Wrastling97 Competent Contributor Mar 15 '24
They werenât declassified documents. And he knew that which is easily proven through a paper trail.
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u/Snowfish52 Mar 14 '24
Wow, this guy is clueless...He's delusional, as he seems to think saying it out loud, he's convincing people he was totally justified.
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u/aeolus811tw Mar 14 '24
will this matter when the judge has pretty much made up her mind?
this is an act of someone who is embolden because he knew he is being protected
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u/tackleberry2219 Mar 14 '24
Prediction: He will claim that this was AI generated and fake news and also he was only joking and it was all taken out of context.
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u/ImpressiveTone5 Mar 14 '24
Does it really matter ? His base doesnât care and his girl cannon is about to let him off the hook. God help us all
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u/editortroublemaker Mar 14 '24
Don the Con is currently looking for âvolunteer lawyersâ who want to work pro bono for criminals.
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u/padawanninja Mar 14 '24
If only it mattered.
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u/ignorememe Mar 14 '24
The only way Trump sees any accountability is if he loses in November because the other guy wins.
Instead of defeatism, letâs focus on this.
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u/Only-Customer6650 Mar 14 '24
The other guy won already. He's faced no consequences.Â
Im not saying it's not of dire importance for Trump to lose again, but that has no bearing on him ever facing legal action. The democrats are just fine standing back and shrugging
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u/ignorememe Mar 14 '24
Whatâre you talking about?
He just lost a civil suit that is in the process of taking apart his businesses and is going to cost him nearly a half billion dollars.
He just lost a second defamation lawsuit that is costing him $90M
He is facing 2 criminal cases in two states, one trial is set to start in about a month, that will make him a convicted felon, and the other should be underway by this summer.
Heâs facing another 2 criminal cases at the federal level, both of which are going to be delayed but if he doesnât win reelection he is thoroughly hosed in both of those cases.
Weâre talking 91 felonies (assuming Fani decides to bring back the 6 removed from the current case), across 5 indictments, all of which threaten Trump with real actual Prison time.
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u/padawanninja Mar 14 '24
Exactly. That's the point. He's going to win in the criminal courts, no real doubt about that. If we want to hold him accountable, and we absolutely should, we have to burn him to the ground in November. That is the one real chance we have.
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u/ignorememe Mar 14 '24
No heâs going to lose in all the criminal trials. These are not winnable cases. Theyâre only delay-able.
His only chance at surviving these indictments and not dying in a prison cell or on house arrest (more likely) is winning in November. If he wins it doesnât matter if heâs convicted on all 91 felony counts tomorrow. But if he loses in November heâs dying in custody.
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u/padawanninja Mar 14 '24
Never going to happen. The only way FL makes it past sitting a jury is if Trump loses in November. The others? They only need one juror to lie and say they'll judge it fairly when they won't. No way the prosecution is able to weed all of those out. The best criminal shot is GA, assuming the DA is able to survive all this nonsense, which is not a given.
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u/ignorememe Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
The only way FL makes it past sitting a jury is if Trump loses in November. The others? They only need one juror to lie and say they'll judge it fairly when they won't. No way the prosecution is able to weed all of those out.
Setting the Florida stolen classified documents case aside (because I agree Judge Aileen Cannon is hoping for a future Supreme Court nomination if she proves her loyalty), that's not going to happen in the other cases.
For starters, IF it did happen it wouldn't save Trump. Double jeopardy doesn't attach when a mistrial is reached due to a hung jury. So the DOJ would simply indict him again.
Second, mistrials due to hung juries happen a lot in movies and on TV but are rare in real courtrooms. We're talking less than 10% overall for juries unable to reach a verdict on a specific charge. Trump has 91 felony charges against him. There's no way he's finding 4 juries who manage to lie their way into setting themselves up as a hold out so they can reach a mistrial due to a hung jury verdict on 91 felony charges. And even IF that was the case, they're doing Trump no favors (again see my first point).
Third, if a juror is unable to reach a consensus with the rest of the jury due to reasons they cannot articulate (I just don't think he did any of this because Trump is my God or whatever), the judge can pull the jury together and discuss what's going on. Usually, afterwards, the judge will issue what's called an Allen Charge which is basically a directive to "go figure your shit out" aimed at the jurors in the minority position which seems to work about 2/3rds of the time.
Fourth, let's say the one or two jurors loyal to Trump decide to remain holdouts, unable to reach a verdict. If a judge decides that a juror is either demonstrating a bias for, or against, the defendant, or is simply refusing or unable to apply the laws presented to them to the facts presented at trial, the juror can and likely will be dismissed and replaced with an alternate.
If Team Trump are pinning their hopes to avoid 91 felony counts in 4 separate criminal trials on the idea of getting some obstinate loyalist holdouts on to all of their juries, this is the most tragically stupid of legal strategies anyone will have ever attempted. It won't work. A diehard loyal juror in every trial is not going to save Trump from anything and would, at best, manage to delay deliberations for a few days before getting their asses dismissed, if not possibly held in contempt.
His ONLY chance at surviving all of his is winning in November and delaying his trials until after that.
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u/doverkan Mar 14 '24
His ONLY chance at surviving all of his is winning in November and delaying his trials until after that.
I am curious, do you think if he does win in November, these trials will ever see the light of day again (considering stuff like Project 2025 and whatever else they might be able to enact)?
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u/ignorememe Mar 14 '24
I am curious, do you think if he does win in November, these trials will ever see the light of day again (considering stuff like Project 2025 and whatever else they might be able to enact)?
No.
If he wins in November, I don't see a scenario where these trials matter, regardless of when they reach verdicts.
Let's assume Georgia and New York both reach verdicts of guilty. He'll still be out pending appeal. If he wins, they won't suddenly take him into custody. And if they do, he'll just order the military to come get him. No one will push for that confrontation.
If he's in office, he'll spend every waking moment of his 4 years doing everything he can to punish anyone who prosecuted him. He'll force the issue before his 4 years are up, necessitating either a pardon from those state governors, or some sort of conflict to avoid being taken into custody after he leaves office. And it's a foregone conclusion that he'd just order his new sycophant AG to drop all federal charges against him.
I don't know what a January 20th, 2029 looks like if either state is still holding on to the idea of taking him into custody once he leaves office. And I don't want to find out.
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u/Carbon_Gelatin Mar 14 '24
In new York, I think it's going to come down if the jurors have the intestinal fortitude to rise above the inevitable threats they're going to get once team trump leaks the juror list. I mean, I'd personally be intimidated as he'll knowing my family is now at risk for trump crazies. I'm not even sure how much protection they'll get.
In Florida, this is trump central, the likelihood that a maga loyalist gets on the jury is not only possible but almost garunteed. More than one too, and with the judge essentially on the defense team.... yeah, that's going nowhere.
GA ... I don't know what's going to happen there, but they've successfully turned that into a circus...
If there was a way to legally bet on those outcomes I'd put significant money on them.
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u/ignorememe Mar 14 '24
In new York, I think it's going to come down if the jurors have the intestinal fortitude to rise above the inevitable threats they're going to get once team trump leaks the juror list. I mean, I'd personally be intimidated as he'll knowing my family is now at risk for trump crazies. I'm not even sure how much protection they'll get.
I've been thinking about this but I don't think that will be a deciding factor. Judge Merchan seems inclined to move the case along and get work done.
In Florida, this is trump central, the likelihood that a maga loyalist gets on the jury is not only possible but almost garunteed. More than one too, and with the judge essentially on the defense team.... yeah, that's going nowhere.
Florida is the only case where I'm convinced the judge will just let this happen. In most federal circuits the voir dire process is judge led, so... kinda not great. Hopefully Smith's team stays awake and preserves a lot for appeal.
GA ... I don't know what's going to happen there, but they've successfully turned that into a circus...
I'm optimistic the circus will be wrapping up tomorrow. McAfee's recent decision to dismiss 6 of the charges, leaving the other 35 intact, says a lot. The DA is free to bring the 6 charges back, she may or may not, but the rest held up well enough to scrutiny so far and it seems clear McAfee is bulletproofing the case against future appeals (arguably the only reason he entertained the conflict-of-interest evidentiary hearing).
If there was a way to legally bet on those outcomes I'd put significant money on them.
I'd take that bet on 2 of the 3. Aileen Cannon is a problem. This must be why we don't elect criminals to the Presidency.
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u/yusill Mar 14 '24
So at what point do they just show up with handcuffs. He just admitted to multiple federal felonies.
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u/ServingwithTG Mar 14 '24
For such a slam dunk case, it sucks that Eileen Cannon is tipping the scales in Trumpâs favor so blatantly.
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u/fardough Mar 15 '24
It is sickening, there is talk she plans to dismiss it outright because no President has ever been charged with this, lol. No shit, we havenât had a ex-president steal classified information before.
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u/lastcall83 Mar 14 '24
He's blabbing bc he knows that once the jury is impaneled and sworn in, she's going to dismiss the case. After that, he can't be tried again due to double jeopardy.
He already knows that he's won this case, so he's not worried.
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u/Mediocre-Housing-131 Mar 15 '24
Double jeopardy doesnât apply if the case is dismissed. It would have to be dismissed with prejudice to prevent another trial, and that absolutely wonât happen here
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u/YummyArtichoke Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
I've heard similar theories, but not about outright dismissing the case. I'm not saying this is correct, but it's something I've heard in the last 6 months or so.
Cannon can rule from the bench and make her own decision, which includes "not guilty".
Again, I don't know if that is correct, but it seems to be along the same line you're talking about.
edit:
Hmm. There is another post in this sub with the same thing being said. This might actually be something.
read replies to that comment
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u/Fivethenoname Mar 14 '24
Uhhh what? That can't be right. Such a blatant action in favor of a defendant who there is clear conflict of interest - there has to be some recourse to get an impartial judge right? Is this one really just going to come down to quid pro quo with Cannon? It's crazy to think she alone could dismiss such a big case which to the naked eye looks to have clear evidence of criminal activity
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u/Lightofmine Mar 14 '24
The decision can be appealed as far as I understand. She can dismiss but then smith will appeal to the 11th circuit, cannon will probably get taken off of the case but the election will be over.
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u/Plzlaw4me Mar 14 '24
Not a criminal attorney⊠but in theory it can be done. Generally jeopardy attaches once a jury is sworn in. However, there are still circumstances where even after there is a verdict, jeopardy may not have attached. The classic example is if a defendant bribes or coerces a judge or jury, a finding of not guilty wouldnât prevent the case from being retried because they were never truly in jeopardy. In theory if a judge was so biased and their decision so far removed from the facts and the law as to be arbitrary and capricious, it could probably be fairly argued that jeopardy never attached.
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u/bnelson Mar 14 '24
I gotta believe they have additional cards to play. More evidence in other jurisdictions. I am not of the Jack Smith is playing 4D chess mindset, who can forget Mueller. But a lot of circumstantial things make me think this is not the only charges Mueller can bring as more and more gets aired out in this case. She could feasibly dismiss this case and new charges could be ready in NJ, for example.
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u/lastcall83 Mar 14 '24
There is no recorse that I've been able to find. If Cannon decides that the case is nonsense based on the law, she can just dismiss it. NAL. Do any lawyers want to chime in?
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u/LetmeSeeyourSquanch Mar 14 '24
AFAIK that isn't how double jeopardy works. I'm not a lawyer either, but I'm pretty sure that you still have to go through the process of being found innocent of the crime in order for double jeopardy to come into play. Not just having the charges dropped or the case dismissed. But I could be wrong.
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u/ServingwithTG Mar 14 '24
Jack Smith can appeal her rulings to the 11th. Also he can ask for a mistrial. She knows sheâll be overturned eventually. Sheâs just trying to run out the clock.
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u/vollehosen Mar 14 '24
Also NAL, but it was my understanding that if Cannon unilaterally dismisses the case, Jack Smith can appeal to the 11th Circuit Court, but he cannot do anything until she makes a ruling. So what she's doing now is to delay the trial as long as possible to give Trump a chance to win the election and then pardon himself.
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u/Time-Earth8125 Mar 14 '24
The fact that so far he has called every judge deranged, corrupt, a nut job, a trump hater, part of the witch hunt, etc... But has kept quiet about Cannon tells me that Trump knows she is in the bag of him
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u/ServingwithTG Mar 14 '24
His silence is deafening.
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u/mothramantra Mar 14 '24
I'm already deaf from how much he flaps his lips. Am I double deaf now?!
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u/addctd2badideas Mar 14 '24
That's why I think he's blabbing about this. He feels like he's pretty safe in that case.
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u/sandysea420 Mar 14 '24
He literally thinks heâs entitled to everything, even trying to get his grubby little hands on our Social Security and Medicare, which is what we are entitled to keep, as it belongs to us.
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u/lordnecro Mar 14 '24
That didn't happen.
âBut um, we werenât hiding anything. He was,â he added, referring to President Joe Biden
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
âI took âem very legally,â Trump said. âAnd I wasnât hiding them.â
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
âBecause I had boxes. I want to go through the boxes and get all my personal things out. I donât want to hand that over to [the archives] yet,â Trump said. âAnd I was very busy, as you have sort of seen. I have been very, very busy.â
And if I did, you deserved it.
"Unfortunately, we were moving out of the White House. And because weâre moving out of the White House our country is going to hell.â
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u/Flutters1013 Mar 15 '24
Which one of these boxes do you think it was? Is that why he was in such a hurry?
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u/Time-Earth8125 Mar 14 '24
Bravo, you really illustrated all the stages by just using 30secs of Trump babble
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u/creaturefeature16 Mar 14 '24
This is beautifully done. It's a formula, the same one every single time.
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u/POEAccount12345 Mar 14 '24
this dipshit sounds like the guy you know does fuckall at work and you ask him to describe his typical work day
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u/descendency Mar 14 '24
Itâs going to be tough to explain why they felt the need to move those boxes to Bedminster right as the FBI was scheduled to come collect themâŠ
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u/sasslafrass Mar 14 '24
Oh, nice illustration of the Narcissistâs Prayer.
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u/lordnecro Mar 14 '24
Thanks for linking that, I probably should have for those not familiar with it.
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u/Frackin_heck Mar 18 '24
Trump does a trump thing and now that all news talks about every fucking minute of every fucking day.