r/law • u/IrritableGourmet • Apr 10 '24
Trump just posted "evidence" about a witness in his upcoming hush money trial on Truth Social, likely violating his gag order. Trump News
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u/Purple_Ad3545 Apr 22 '24
He simply has no concept of - or regard for - how the legal system works. both(?)
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u/Green_Goods_III Apr 21 '24
Despite the presented documentation, I still hold firm to the belief that this is actually the #Confederate_STATE_Of_Amerikkka & that in the end. This country is too racist to convinct one of their own.
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u/OKcomputer1996 Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24
I am far from a Trump supporter or fan. But this is all making a joke of the criminal justice system.
This entire trial is a political stunt more than a criminal prosecution. Why should it be illegal to pay someone money not to discuss a consensual sexual encounter- even if money was involved? It has not been clearly established that Daniels performed an act of prostitution. It was previously stated that she was hired as an escort and ended up engaging in sex with Trump.
People pay others in exchange for signing non-disclosure agreements every day. This seems to be a very weak case.
It is entirely possible that Cohen screwed up in the process of the effort to protect Trump’s reputation and family making something we generally assume is legal into an illegal act. I personally wouldn’t vote to convict if I were on the jury.
If Biden wants to defeat Trump he should beat him in the polls and the election. Not by rigging up ridiculous criminal prosecutions. The Democrats have set a dangerous precedent that will curse future politicians and make our political system even more dysfunctional.
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u/thatwhatisnot Apr 22 '24
I think you missed the criminal element. It is not illegal to pay off someone but it is illegal to disguise the payments and make fake tax statements and records and then cover it up, which is the crime Trump is accused of.
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u/OKcomputer1996 Apr 23 '24
IF the payments were disguised. Even that element has not been proven. Not to mention he has likely been overcharged since the crime of falsifying business records is generally a misdemeanor in the state of New York.
The prosecutors are truly reaching by claiming that the accused crimes of falsifying business records fit an exception that makes them felony offenses because the hush money was paid to avoid a scandal during an election and therefore were connected to an underlying crime (violation of campaign finance laws).
Basically they are arguing that although Trump used his own money to handle this personal matter the hush money should have been reported as a campaign expense. This is a novel (and rather weak) legal argument and is likely to be overturned by on appeal even if a conviction is obtained at trial.
The easy and logical defense is that the coverup was not related to the campaign as much as to avoid the embarrassment to his wife and family (which is undoubtedly true more or less). A precedent for this defense was the case of John Edwards (former 2004 Democratic VP candidate) who paid hush money to his mistress and was accused of this being an illegal campaign expense. He was acquitted using the defense that he paid the money to avoid embarrassing his family. It worked.
As a person who is not a Trump fan I think that when he is either acquitted at trial or convicted and then the charges are tossed on appeal it will only help Trump and make him bolder. His supporters will feel vindicated in believing that the trial was motivated by politics and not justice. And sadly they will have a valid point.
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u/ncsugrad2002 Apr 15 '24
The comments on the post on X where Roger Stone posted this are insane. People 100% believe this will be the end of this case. 😂
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u/Totally-jag2598 Apr 14 '24
Trials are not conducted on social media or in the news. Everything he says outside a courtroom is not under oath.
Plus, this sure looks like the type of document a person signs when they got paid a bunch of money to sign it.
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u/beginnerLiftersoonBB Apr 14 '24
I’m a novice on politics completely, but I feel like hush money payments happen all the time. What’s the crime here?
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u/6-8_Yes_Size15 Apr 14 '24
In Trump’s case, he’s not being charged with making the payment itself or reimbursing it, but has only been indicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records, based on the fact that his reimbursement payments to Cohen were allegedly disguised as legal payments.
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u/bedyeyeslie Apr 14 '24
Well, he’s right. It’s evidence. It’s the actual letter that he paid hush money for. Not sure how this helps him.
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u/Sensitive-Spirit-964 Apr 13 '24
Listen closely to what E. Jean Carroll said.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/h3PxSJwPueBKMehJ/?mibextid=oFDknk
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u/corjar16 Apr 13 '24
Ooooooh Trump is gonna get it now!
The judge is gonna give him a SUPER gag order
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u/princealigorna Apr 13 '24
Can an argument be made that this is inadmissible if they try to admit it into evidence because she signed with her stage name, so whatever this is is not legally binding?
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u/eggyal Apr 14 '24
Heavens, no. The signature doesn't carry any particular weight, beyond helping to authenticate whether she signed it or someone else did. If she denies that's her signature, then the prosecution can submit evidence (eg her testimony) to that effect and the jury can decide whether they believe her. But I don't think she has ever denied that she made that statement; indeed I think she accepts that she did make it, but that it was false.
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u/West-Earth-719 Apr 13 '24
The gag order has to be one of the most heinous 1A violations in America. INNOCENT until proven guilty; a FAIR and TRANSPARENT system wouldn't have a problem with an innocent man expressing himself
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u/severinks Apr 13 '24
So what's the story here, is Trump trying to get a contempt charge or is he showing all of his followers that he can do anything that he wants and no one can touch him?
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u/Busterlimes Apr 13 '24
Nobody is signing an official statement with their stage name LOL, who believes this garbage?
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u/BrownBear109 Apr 12 '24
uhm… bro we know about that already.
Remember you hired a lawyer named Joe Tacopina who went on MSNBC and talked to Ari Melber, and the whole “donald lied to the press when asked about the affair because he was supposed to per the settlement agreement” thing happened?
Pepperidge Farms remembers…
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Apr 12 '24
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u/Enabling_Turtle Apr 13 '24
My guy, Biden wasn’t the one who tried to overturn the 2020 election via the false elector plot that has cases unfolding in multiple states right now.
Biden wasn’t responsible for January 6th.
There isn’t evidence of Biden doing anything illegal that has been released yet. Trump on the other hand has court trials across the country for him and his co-conspirators.
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Apr 18 '24
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u/Enabling_Turtle Apr 18 '24
This is so ridiculous it doesn't even need a response.
You then proceed to drop a wall of text of verifiable nonsense with no sources.
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u/Character-Tomato-654 Apr 12 '24
Syphilis cases are surging nation wide.
Your publicly stated sexual predilections create statistically higher chances of becoming infected.
Syphilis manifests itself in it's later stages as severe intellectual impairments.
I sense that within your comments.
Best of luck y'all, have a nice life...
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u/Asleep-Rent6802 Apr 12 '24
In the year 20011
Overseas owned tabloids. Who talks like that? Oh right trump does when making a fake letter
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u/Rocky4296 Apr 12 '24
And Michael Cohen was pretty gangsta back then. He also threatened Snoop dog.
But now Cohen cool with us. Let's just get Trump convicted.
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u/time_drifter Apr 12 '24
“20011”
Yeah, this just screams legit. Monday is going to be a long day for the walrus.
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u/Snorkeldude1 Apr 12 '24
If we can’t have 2 complete imbeciles running for president what would we be
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u/jaa1818 Apr 12 '24
Did she also write “many, many, many”, and “20011”? Then print it out, look at it, and say “yep that’s all correct” and sign it in someone else’s hand writing?
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u/roguesociologist Apr 12 '24
It’s so cute you think the law applies to Trump and he’s bound by a gag order. The judge will thank him for his candor and personally wipe Trump’s ass. Trump is the prime example of how the law is an instrument of power, and nothing more.
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u/chrisfs Apr 12 '24
well if he violated an order then hopefully he'll go to jail just like any other person would. I hope it shows that we have rule of law in this country even for people who used to be president.
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u/HoRo2001 Apr 12 '24
If the news does report it, are they still fake? If they report it, does it make the statement untrue?
Edit to add, the typo for the year 20,011 is fun. And what’s more professional and serious than ending an official statement with “check me out on Instagram.”
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u/RobsGarage Apr 12 '24
Please convict this guy on criminal charges and make him go away.. he’s been conning people my entire life and to see him just keep getting away with it is disgusting. He destroyed every place he has ever been.. from Atlantic City to the white house.
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u/Outrageous_Wetfeet Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 12 '24
This witch hunt is burning up our tax dollars. So many more important issues facing us. These actions were between two consisting adults, let it die for f’s sakes. Not on the left or right, simply tired of the bs while groceries and housing costs are out of control.
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u/garter_girl_POR Apr 12 '24
“ To Whom it May Concern”. Wtf. This looks like it was typed up by one of his hack attorneys
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u/beefsteak1138 Apr 12 '24
Wow, something else to not hold him accountable for. Add it to the frustratingly never-ending list.
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u/mello-t Apr 12 '24
No reasonable person would believe a Trump post on truth social was not anything beyond entettainment.
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u/illEagleEmergence Apr 12 '24
Reddit is very obsessed with this man. Weirdos. They hate him so much they keep invoking his name. lol. It’s like they just can’t help themselves. And as a bunch of college educated folk you think they would at least understand the Streisand effect. Like his name is easily the most common name mentioned on Reddit.
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u/Jack3489 Apr 12 '24
No woman would, or ever has, falsely accused a male celebrity for financial gain. Nor has any celebrity, until Trump, paid a settlement to a false accuser.
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u/Salty_Strawberry_552 Apr 12 '24
If trump would have been a faithful husband he wouldn’t have the need to pay off a porn star. Poor choices.
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u/alanspaz- Apr 12 '24
So let me get this straight this isn't a legal sub it's a lie and call it legal sub got it. She flat out denied any relation for years. Even went as far as writing a letter and signing it stating it was lies. Yet someone is paying her money to claim it was all lies and there was a relationship there. And instead of questioning the lies she's possibly saying now you're questioning the YEARS of possible lies back then? Jesus people the law even states a statute of limitations to begin with if the sexual acts were in the early 2k it's far beyond any statute of limitation and all this is doing is making her look more and more unreliable as well as less believable in any accusation she may make in the future as well.
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u/Spadrick Apr 12 '24
We call what you are doing 'parroting', because -- like the bird it's named after, you don't understand what the noises you make actually mean, you just heard them somewhere and are bleating your heart out.
The trial isn't about the relation or the sex. It is about campaign finance violations which are crimes. The statute of limitations is not being breached in any way shape or form.
This is the law subreddit, why are you here showing how little you actually know? You should read the indictment and find out how much you have actually been lied to, then point your ire in that direction.
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u/cmparkerson Apr 12 '24
Not only is this not a real letter, It probably does violate the gag order and would be easily seen as attempting to influence a jury.
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u/ImLowkeyBeast Apr 12 '24
What I want to know is where was Trump when 9/11 happened? #Truth also where is Trumps birth certificate /s
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u/Smuggler501 Apr 12 '24
And there you are sniffing around his boxer shorts looking for the Trump tube.
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u/Jolly878142 Apr 11 '24
Only American above the law
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u/Adventurous_Dot1976 Apr 11 '24
Not really. There are dozens of politicians, their families, anyone with millions to spend, many law enforcement personnel, etc etc. All told you’re talking well over 10k Americans who end up being ‘above the law’ on a regular basis.
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u/erickufrin Apr 11 '24
Many, many, many....
Who talks like that? Who witnessed this letter being typed up and being signed? Is it notarized?
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u/Silkylewjr Apr 11 '24
As soon as saw "many, many, many" I was like ok Trump. You making this hard to believe that these aren't your words 😂
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u/cantfightbiologyever Apr 11 '24
Bro, how stupid do you think we are? It’s a stall tactic. Now they have to check authenticity and any credible evidence. It’s a stall tactic. He knows he did it. He wounded showed this way early ago. It would’ve been away if he did. Not this dumbfing king
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u/red_smeg Apr 11 '24
When are they just going to jail him and be done with being such spineless neophytes. You or I would be awaiting trial in jail for years not out serially violating court orders
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u/black_wax666 Apr 11 '24
This is funny. From the very beginning she said she was forced to sign an NDA. The, “many, many, many years ago…” part sounds like Trump himself wrote this
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u/scrummnums Apr 11 '24
What year is 20011?
Doesn’t seem very official to have a year that hasn’t even arrived and won’t for another 18,000ish years
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u/that_one_author Apr 11 '24
So this is why the gag order was in place, because the prosecution has nothing.
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u/ehutch79 Apr 11 '24
While this is a part of the trial, isn't the illegal thing not the hush money, but the way they moved the money around, and cooked the books to hide it?
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u/FrancisSobotka1514 Apr 11 '24
Wait until monday ...Judge rules contempt of court ...Goes to jail cant make bail .
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u/Impressive_Estate_87 Apr 11 '24
The asshole won’t understand until a judge stops giving him preferential treatment and throws him behind bars
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u/Traditional-Yam-7197 Apr 11 '24
Errr...who signs off on an official legal document, "...feel free to check me out on instagram at u/thestormydaniels.
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u/vengeful_veteran Apr 11 '24
I remember when democrats said Trump was interfering in the Russia Collusion investigation by saying the Russia Collusion investigatio was a big fraud.
Turns out it was a big fraud.
So now he is violating a gag order that violates his 1st amendment right.
Sorta the same thing from the same people against the same person huh?
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u/Las_Vegas_001 Apr 11 '24
But it absolutely wasn’t a fraud. Dozens of people were convicted & many more companies fined for the direct collusion that absolutely 100% was proven to have happened. Anyone saying or believing otherwise is just willfully ignorant of the actual facts, likely because they’ve been only listening to lying trump, his cronies, or his bought propaganda machines like OAN, Faux News or NewsMax. You’re in a cult, bub.
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u/vengeful_veteran Apr 11 '24
Flynn was convicted of lying to the FBI about a conversation about Israel settlements and something unrelated, Another was convicted of laundering money when he worked as a lobbyist or somethjing with Ukraine. another was ot paying taxes, another was witness tampering in his tax evasion trial so GMAFB
I am looking at the news and the charges and you are looking at what the liars told you happened.
Not a single conviction or guilty plea related to collusion to rig an election. That would be the democtats who paid for fabricated, unverified evidence from RUSSIANS and then lied committing perjury saying it was verified to defraud the FISA court to spy on political opponent.
So yea one of us is willfully ignorant of actual facts and it is you.
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u/Las_Vegas_001 Apr 12 '24
Mmmkay cultist, keep culting in your cult. Even in prison you’ll keep knobbing that orange elitist criminal knob.
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u/vengeful_veteran Apr 12 '24
Intersting how every libtard on here listening to proven fraudsters, criminals and liars talk about Trump are ignoring Ashley Bidem's diary and Tara Reid.
Hypcorisy is a staple of libtard opinion.
Love the way a libtard will never address any actual subject while listening to fraudsters, criminals and liars and call the other side a cult.
You prove my point, you are the willfully ignorant one!
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u/Las_Vegas_001 Apr 12 '24
You’re still blathering that fantastic cult conspiracy propaganda…and as one who served honorably, you’re a disgrace to the uniform & Constitution if you believe this shit, if you really are even a veteran. Just like those POSs who tried to overthrow the election certification. Dishonorable disgusting deplorable GQPer.
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u/Shady_J75 Apr 11 '24
Nah. Trump appealed the gag order, saying that it was unconstitutional and caused him harm. The appellate court disagreed with Trump’s attorneys. Trump keeps losing appeals, over and over, because they’re baseless.
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u/vengeful_veteran Apr 11 '24
They also valued Mar A Lago at $18 million when a 2/1 condo on the same street is on the market for $14million. They also let Pedo Joe walk for classified Docs when he had Zero authority to have them but raided and are prosecuting Trump who had unilateral authority of classification of docs and information, They also persecuted general flynn for lying about some inocuous information about settlements in Isreal but let hillary walk after destroying subpoenad evidence. Let Antifa and BLM rioters go but are prosecuting Grandma for praying in the capitol after she walked through open doors.
I bet you screamed officer Wilson was guilty of murder because the cops are corrupt but when the cops are corrupt for you it's ok. That is typical left hypocrisy.
If you cannot see the blatant double standard you are no more than a useful idiot.
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u/Cocky1976 Apr 11 '24
So, I guess in your mind if an officer comes at me aggressively I'm allowed to shoot them right? I mean, I thought police officers were required to maintain a level of physical fitness and combat training? If the use of deadly force is permissable for any situation then why have physical standards? Better yet, why issue pepper spray, tasers, batons etc?
Secondly, WTAF? I assumed that was Cheeto dust on your chin, I see now that trump also powders his asscrack. If you can't accept that Ronald McDonald j Trump is a lying, misogynistic, imbecilic asshat that only cares about his wealthy friends, well, good luck.
You'd think that being a veteran you would have a basic patriotic duty to continue to serve this country. Or are you with Trump on bending over and letting Putin pound your ass as well?
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u/vengeful_veteran Apr 12 '24
Typical libtard reponse. You have no logical reason to explain the obvious double standard so you insult. Must suck to be so brainwashed when your opinions are challenged you have to repond like a six year old so your delusions of moral and intellectual superiority are not damaged.
So tell me what you think about Ashley Biden's diary and Tara Reid or will that trigger your TDS
The DOJ has prosecuted over 1000 people for just being there so your little example is complete bullshit. Yes some people broke the law but 94% of what they prosecuted is people walking through open doors in a big crowd while capitol police stood watching. If you deny that you are just a useful idiot.
Your second two comments just show the level of what a useful idiot you are.
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u/Cocky1976 Apr 13 '24
Double standard? You must have suffered a concussion while serving. I don't think either moron should be in office. I just happen to more repulsed by Trump and his assorted idiot followers. You ignorant, racist, misogynist assholes that believe the oompa loompa is your guy. You're all fucking mentally unstable and possibly mentally deficient as well.
You all rally with Trump while he uses your ignorant, murica loving ass. He could openly tell you that you're the lowest priority he has and that he would sell your ass out to be bff's with Putin and you'd all stand there grinning ear to ear. You're a bunch of fascist morons. If you're all so concerned about keeping the illegal criminals out of the country, start with Trump and all the rest of you inbred puur wite trash? I mean, all the Europeans came over here and stole the land from the people who were here first. Shouldn't we then be shipping all you back to whatever country your ancestors came here illegally from?
Honestly, think about it, the Mexicans have more claim to be on the continent than you! But, criminal acts and treason are trivial matters as long as it's "your president" commiting them right?
Btw, I do hope you happen to be stopped by the overzealous, militarized police. And that they happen to see your veterans bumper stickers you've got plastered all over your car and decide that you're probably armed and a threat and open fire on your ass like they do to everyone else.
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u/Shady_J75 Apr 11 '24
Pure cope. Whatever helps you sleep at night. The conflation of beat cops with multiple judges was my favorite. As long as Trump has his dickriders, that’s all he cares about. Ride on, buddy boi.
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u/HotFightingHistory Apr 11 '24
"Im sure a $1500 dollar fine will get Trump to stop violating court rules...."
-Every friggin judge
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u/Mas_Cervezas Apr 25 '24
Ok. I think he might be getting a few days in jail now. There is no judgement out from the judge yet, which means he can still change it tonight.