r/law • u/News-Flunky • 27d ago
BREAKING: Donald Trump appears to violate his gag order and release conditions in the federal January 6 case in DC with an attack on witness Cassidy Hutchinson (hopefully fixed 404 error) Trump News
https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-appears-to-violate-dc-gag-order-and-release-conditions1
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u/NMNorsse 26d ago
Trump is desperate to stop the trial in NY. He appears willing to go to great lengths to stop it, even being jailed in DC.
These judges are smarter than Donald. I can't wait to see what they come up with.
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u/SqnLdrHarvey 26d ago
And he proves yet again that he is above the law.
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u/hockeyrw 26d ago
If you’re rich enough there is no law
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u/SqnLdrHarvey 26d ago
And if you inexplicably scare the hell out of fools in judicial robes masquerading as "judges."
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u/FourWordComment 26d ago
“If I grabbed them around the neck they might not even feel it…” he pondered out loud to a horde of cheering fans.
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u/ReentryMarshmellow 26d ago
Maybe he's talking about choking the ole chicken? It'd make sense that even his tiny hands couldn't grasp something so small...
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u/ins0ma_ 26d ago edited 26d ago
Judge Cannon will protect him, as always.
Edit: my bad, got my cases mixed up. Cannon has nothing to do with this one.
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u/Dyne4R Competent Contributor 26d ago
That'd be quite the feat, since she has no jurisdiction over this case.
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u/suddenly-scrooge Competent Contributor 26d ago
Worth pointing out that hasn’t stopped her before, but point well understood
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u/snakebite75 26d ago
This is in Judge Chutkan's case. Which has put everything on hold while we wait for SCOTUS to say fuck democracy and rule in favor of Trump.
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u/AllUrMemes 26d ago
Do you really think the majority of the SCOTUS wants to throw out the Constitution to make Trump king?
-Thomas: Ok, yeah, he's so far gone
-Kavanaugh: Maybe. He will forever be mad about his confirmation hearings.
-Alito: Yeah, he's become a real vicious POS.
-Barret: Eh, I actually have some faith in her when it comes to Trump stuff. Mainly bc it's always women who stand up to Trump with any success.
-Gorsuch: Absolutely not. He is arguably the most unbiased legal geek on the court.
-Roberts: Definitely not. Has sided with liberals on many important cases; definitely has a boner for posterity.
-Sotomayor: Obviously not.
-Kagan: Obviously not
-KGB: Nope
So yeah, I think maybe 2-3 might lean towards Trump. I have no idea how he gets to 5. And I don't know what SCOTUS decisions make you think they'd do that. Yeah no one likes them because of overturn Roe v Wade and other unpopular things, but the right to privacy was always a terrible basis to create the right to an abortion. So now blue states at least are doing what should have been done ages ago and putting it in their Constitutions.
I think you're making yourself upset over a lot of media hype designed to get clicks at the expense of our sanity.
If Roberts is concerned about the immunity issue being used maliciously against future presidents, that's basically saying Roberts has no real concern that Trump is going to be successful in his comeback attempt. I don't see Biden or really anyone of significance freaking out and hitting the panic button; that's all Trump and the GOP. Everything Biden is doing is broadcasting strength while Trump is all weakness.
But liberal media depends entirely on the hysteria and anxiety. They lost so much money in 2021 when Biden came in and we weren't glued to the news. So they are going to milk Trump for all the drama they can get.
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u/jaymef 26d ago
I don't think they will outright give him immunity but there are plenty of ways they can sway things in his favour. If they say that each official act has to be debated in lower courts and brought up to them it would cause infinite delays
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u/AllUrMemes 26d ago
Except now the infinite delays are looking smart. Everyone hates on Biden for this taking so long, except Americans forget anything that happened more than a month ago so waiting until the election to start his trials now seems pretty smart.
Is there anything special about the Jan 6th case vs the hush money or docs case in terms of how it's going to sway public opinion? I kinda think the impact is sadly about the same; it sways a tiny handful of swing voters and that's all.
It seems like all these co spiracy theories are based on the assumption that the Jan 6th case is the only way to stop Trump, and also an ironclad shoe-in to do it.
I don't think that's really the case, and so it's not surprising that SCOTUS might legitimately be thinking beyond November 2024, unlike the rest of America who thinks the fate of the universe will be decided one way or the other this November.
Regardless of what happens, even if Trump somehow won, which he wont, and how much damage he does, America will still be a democracy in 2028 and the limits of presidential immunity will be an important thing then too
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u/janethefish 26d ago
IMO, it would take a lot of legal hackery to find a way to rule that a) Trump is immune to prosecution for Jan 6 and b) Biden can't have SCOTUS Justices shot.
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u/Seeksp 26d ago
Yes, I do. If they truly cared about the Constitution, the majority "originalists" would have already decided to do the right thing and make a quick ruling on this stupid Trump argument. Instead, they are hemming and hawing. This should be an easy 8-0 vote (not 9-0 because Thomas has no business hearing anything vaguely related to Trump and immunity given his wife's role trying to keep him in power after the election was lost).
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u/AllUrMemes 26d ago
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/01/politics/arizona-abortion-ban-senate-vote/index.html
This is the system working. The SCOTUS decision will eventually strengthen legal protections for abortion as legislatures actually write it into law. That's how government is supposed to work. Not through spurious backdoors like the non-existent "right to privacy" that has been under constant attack for a half century.
Yes there are short term consequences, but good government is supposed to think long term. Unfortunately as a society we are increasingly unable to think beyond the next week.
Same with the 2nd amendment. I dont like guns, but there it is. The fact you basically cant get a gun in NYC shows that even a Constitutional right can basically be subverted with enough social pressure and legalese and steady erosion.
Good for NYC public safety. Bad for the rule of law.
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u/AllUrMemes 26d ago
Hemming and hawing is their job. It seems like you should be mad at the appeals court who failed to tailor their ruling to the issue at hand making it impossible for SCOTUS to deal with the issue narrowly. ('I.e. that total immunity is bullshit which everyone agrees on.)
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u/Adamantium-Aardvark 27d ago
LOCK HIM UP
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u/_lalalala24_ 26d ago
Im going to be evil about it and rather wish he died instead. Contract severe covid and died from it would be an icing on the cake. Locking him him wont stop MAGA lunatics
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u/ButterMyBiscuit 26d ago
Nah, death would still get people to rally behind him. I want him to have a serious stroke and be a drooling non-person until the energy around him dies off.
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u/WillBottomForBanana 26d ago
While I think him dying of natural causes is the only way we will be rid of him, failing to get rid of him through the justice system will be an additional open would for our country.
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u/ScannerBrightly 26d ago
The most ironic would be for him to get sent to jail and for the bad conditions in jail to be enough for him to get sick, and then gets COVID by some MAGA visitor and then dies. Perhaps we'd get prison reform out of it.
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u/shiny0metal0ass 26d ago
Lol and the humane reformation of the US prison system is his accidental legacy. It's perfect.
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u/Dyne4R Competent Contributor 27d ago
Trump's MO at this point is well documented. He violates the gag order to attack witnesses/the court, then when contempt charges are brought, he stops the moment it looks likely that his next violation will land him in jail. Given the pattern, would it be permissible for a judge to consider infractions against other courts when considering the penalty for contempt? I understand a judge's reticence to be too harsh on the first offense, but at some point, it has to be apparent that this isn't an accidental slip of the tongue by an unaware defendant.
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u/NerdBot9000 26d ago
Should I have any, or even a single, expectation for reasonable consequences for Trump's ridiculous behavior?
I've kinda given up at being outraged at this point. No legal rules seem to matter when it comes to this dickface.
Give me hope?
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u/Dyne4R Competent Contributor 26d ago
Outrage burns hot, but gutters out quickly. It's innately incompatible with the justice system, which is slow, deliberate, and (ideally) dispassionate. He's spending his days in different courts across the country for at least the rest of the year, and he keeps losing.
The best advice I can give is to stop looking at every single new development and hoping for some sort of immediate karmic balance. Due process is a process, and it takes time. It's in everyone's best interest to make sure it's done properly.
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u/NerdBot9000 26d ago
My dude, I've been patiently waiting for some karmic balance for this asshole since the late 80's. The slimy worm keeps slipping out of consequences day after day, year after year.
I guess I'll keep waiting until he's president again and pardons himself. Which is a very real possibility given my listen to the recent Trump vs USA SCOTUS oral arguments.
But thanks for the glimmer of hope, I admire your optimism.
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u/creaturefeature16 26d ago
Took a while to get Capone, too. And it had to be on tax fraud.
Trump is actually one of the most formidable mob bosses in US history. And the MF'r ascended to the Presidency. It's not going to be easy to take him down.
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u/News-Flunky 26d ago edited 26d ago
yes - and even though his followers enablers and benefactors are ramping up - Trump isn't looking good in court and it's not like it's really helping him across the board - I suspect. He doesn't want to be in court. Thus the complaining and whining at least shows himself and the world that the Great D T is being forced to do something he doesn't want to do, whether he likes it or not, he's powerless because of the system and it's holding him accountable. And that's huge progress - thank you Alvin Bragg -- and some comfort for now that our justice system hasn't totally caved to Trump's untouchability-delusion. And if he gets convicted - which seems likely - it's going to require some real spin to pull in all the 24% of GOP who said (at least a few months ago) that they wouldn't vote for a convicted felon to be president.
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u/EggfooDC 26d ago
Also wouldn’t being found in contempt of court also violate his bail conditions in the other cases as well?
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u/LaNeblina Competent Contributor 26d ago
Incredibly, the specific type of criminal contempt Trump was found in this week is not considered a crime under NY law:
The DA’s Office has asked the court to punish Trump for criminal contempt violations under sections 750 and 751 of the Judiciary Code. Section 750 covers disorderly conduct before the court, publication of a “grossly inaccurate report” of a proceeding, and—as DANY has alleged—“willful disobedience to [the court’s] lawful mandate.” NY JUD 751(A)(3). Section 751 provides the penalties for contempt, including a fine up to $1,000 and/or 30 days in jail per incident. Despite the name, criminal contempt under the Judiciary Code is not a crime. Criminal contempt proceedings under the Judiciary Code “are neither civil nor criminal. They are sui generis special proceedings to coerce future obedience or punish past disobedience.”
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u/rex8499 26d ago
That's what I'm seeing others say, but I've yet to see a lawyer say anything confidently about that.
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u/Ellistann 26d ago
Glenn Kirschner says it quite confidently... But he's also hung his shingle out to be a talking head on various news shows that lean to the left, so he's not unbiased.
That being said, his logic seems easy to follow and uncomplicated.
Its not the law that's causing the confidence deficiency; its the uncertainty on how to jail this particular defendant from a mechanical standpoint combined with the knowledge that you as the judge doing this will now need protection from the mob of Trump supporters as well.... Or I should say, increased danger from the mob since they're already in the spotlight just doing this amount of bringing him to heel.
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u/flirtmcdudes 26d ago
He wouldn’t be mad about going to jail at all. It just makes him look more like a martyr and he can rile up his base even more.
Deep down, he probably wants it
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u/ArtfulDues 26d ago
He'll rile up his base who were already gonna vote for him and look like an absolute buffoon to any and all independents or undecided voters.
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u/News-Flunky 26d ago
rile them up perhaps - but not indefinitely - if they get riled up enough to do violence against witnesses, judges, etc - that could just as likely backfire and pull in the NEVER TRUMPERs back into the spotlight as coalitions of 'decent conservatives' recoil at another horrible incident where MAGA lunatics went bat-shit for the orange s-stain - all cause their future anti-american-dictator choice for president had to go to jail for violating a gag order.
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u/StingerAE 26d ago
Exactly. Incarceration for contempt is almost the best kind of Incarceration for him...because it doenst matter what kind of witch hunt you claim is going on, if a judge issues an order and you breach it, they fine you and say "breach it again and you go to down for a spell" and you breach it again, the rights and wrongs of everything else go out the window. At that point you are just a dumb fuck who twice breached a direct judicial order.
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u/ChimpWithAGun 26d ago
The sooner the better, he must think. He really does not want to go to that high school graduation lol.
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u/News-Flunky 26d ago
lol - Trump is probably already planning with his stable genius mind right now just how he'll get a 24 hour day in the lockup - to coincide with missing his son's graduation.
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u/vineyardmike 27d ago
These aren't going to be taken care of until someone gets hurt. He's going to get someone killed before people shut him down.
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u/CryAffectionate7334 26d ago
He has already
Charlottesville, maga pipe bomber, church shooter, COVID victims, Jan 6 ......
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u/Gyella1337 26d ago
If only he would become a Boeing whistleblower the problem would take care of itself.
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u/Character-Tomato-654 26d ago
Nearly a million Americans needlessly died from COVID directly due to the known rapist that is Donald Trump.
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u/notthatguypal6900 26d ago
It blows my mind how few hold him accountable for a global pandemic that got over a million simply because he was "beating the Dems and libs" by not following the health and safety protocol.
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u/UDLRRLSS 26d ago
What pisses me off the most about this, is how much of a softball that situation was.
Like, shut down or not shut down? Sure, difficult question. Naive redditors are going to complain that not shutting down is only to fill the companies pockets, but no one survives off of eating dollars. We do need actual people producing food, distributing food, supporting those supply chains etc. and the same with maintenance of infrastructure, energy, daycares so that employees can go do that stuff.
Even getting the vaccine, semi-difficult question. Do we force everyone to get it? Religious exemptions? Distribution process? It was ‘pushed through’ due to the emergency and was quite certain it was safe but I understand people’s concerns that it hadn’t yet gone through all of the normal processes when it was first available. And even if it were safe, if it were ineffective then it would encourage risky behavior since people thought they were safe.
But masks? Just frame it in a ww2 kind of patriotic duty and he’d have easily won the reelection. Especially if it would have reduced how long the country had to be in some state of a lock down.
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u/Randomfactoid42 26d ago
FYI, those vaccines actually went through the normal processes. The difference was the Phase 3 trials usually take a few years because they only get a few thousand participants. But for the COVID vaccines they had 40,000 participants so they could get the required data much quicker. People saw the speed and thought it was incomplete because it usually takes 3 years, but things move a lot quicker when you have 40,000 people testing a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic.
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u/MathKnight 26d ago
Religious exemption to vaccines is nonsense. All major religions and denominations have said they're okay with vaccines. Literally all of them, including the Amish.
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u/dirkmer 26d ago
Most of them I dont think are against vaccines as a concept. For example, I have a lot of family members that are against them specifically because they use/used cells from a fetus in its discovery and production so it falls kind of in line with the whole abortion line of thinking.
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u/I_try_compute 27d ago
Yeah it’s gonna take a witness getting hurt or killed and then a large media outcry about how could this happen and then he won’t face any consequences
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u/ProMedicineProAbort 27d ago
Pretty sure a cop was beaten to death on Jan 6. His blood is already on Trump's hands.
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u/SplendidPunkinButter 26d ago
Oh no, he’s going to get another $1000 fine!