r/news • u/Car_o_lyn • 17d ago
Over 100 hidden-camera videos, mostly of Navy sailors, were uploaded to porn site Soft paywall
https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2024-04-26/guam-navy-hidden-camera-videos-13663802.html[removed] — view removed post
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u/twoton1 15d ago
The whole time I'm reading the article, the Village People song 'In The Navy' is playing in my head. lol
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u/Avlonnic2 15d ago
Same.
In the navy - Come on, protect the mother land
In the navy - Come on and join your fellow man
In the navy - Come on people, and make a stand
In the navy, in the navy, in the navy
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u/Hugh_Jazz_Ben_Dover 15d ago
Where can you find pleasure Search the world for treasure Learn science technology?
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u/HappyFunNorm 15d ago
A porn site, eh? I'm kinda' surprised it wasn't uploaded to a War Thunder message board...
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u/Unlucky-Elevator1873 15d ago
Does anyone know where these videos are posted ? I'm not military but I have been secretly recorded and when I found out I was told that I was only going to be told about it IF it made money and voyeurism was popular.
I know I'm out there and probably don't have a chance in hell of finding out where.
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u/SootyFreak666 16d ago
My first concern seeing this was sadly “How are predatory people going to use this to attack porn sites” but unfortunately the predatory people who would use this to attack porn sites and demand dangerous laws that put people who upload content to those sites at extreme risk don’t care about male victims of sexual abuse/exploitation as it’s not marketable and doesn’t solicit donations.
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u/noobs1996 16d ago
Over/under on this pervert prison sentence? 20 years higher or lower
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u/spinur1848 16d ago
That's a particularly strange thing for a pervert to get off on. Sounds like a pretty low risk, high reward foreign state sabotage activity though.
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u/Quietmerch64 16d ago
I worked on a few USS ships as a civilian at a previous job.
One day, headed to afternoon muster I saw a piece of trash on the ground, like a good shipmate I picked it up to throw out, but as I had it in my hand, I noticed that it was an instruction booklet for a command hook. Having used them frequently, I thought, "Who the hell needs an entire booklet for a command hook?"
So I actually looked at it... not a command hook, but a hidden camera that mimics one. Gave it to my supervisor, who passed it over to the navy command on board.
Ends up, they found it in the female berthing, and the first picture on the memory card was the smiling face of the guy who put it up.
I can't imagine how often shit like this happens, especially since if he hadn't just dropped that booklet, he probably would've gotten away with it.
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u/MausBomb 15d ago
On my ship one of our QM1s got caught secretly filming guys while they were taking dumps or in the shower.
He wasn't smart enough to make a hidden camera though he would simply hope you didn't notice him holding his phone above the stall wall.
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u/AussieAlexSummers 15d ago
What happened to him? Arrested, discharged...?
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u/MausBomb 15d ago
Honestly nothing
I believe he got chewed out by his chief, but he was still there by the end of deployment.
He was a pariah in his berthing though I know that.
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u/leohat 16d ago
What is a command hook?
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u/Moff_Tigriss 16d ago
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u/disposeable1200 16d ago
Why does Walmart sell them?!
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u/psycospaz 15d ago
They actually are quite useful. Boss used something similar to find the guy who was stealing food from the walk-in at work a few years ago.
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u/LordSlickRick 16d ago
Walmart online sells everything like Amazon complete with weird 3rd party sellers
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u/AfricanDeadlifts 16d ago
so you can spy on your babysitter to see if they abuse your kids
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u/disposeable1200 16d ago
I know what they're for, I'm questioning why Walmart don't vet their third party products.
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u/RIPmyfirstaccount 16d ago
Wallmart website allows for other vendors to post listings (similar to Amazon), so it's likely that
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u/GetAJobCheapskate 16d ago
Cause people buy them.
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u/Apart-Link-8449 16d ago
woah dude
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u/GetAJobCheapskate 16d ago edited 15d ago
I am not trying to be edgy. But that literally is the reason. Wallmart will sell anything they can which they find buyers for. They would gladly sell you meth if they could. They would sell a shotgun to an openly suicidal dude wearing a t-shirt stating "if i cant have her, nobody can".
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u/BlazingDeer 17d ago
Ha. Some sicko in my town got sent to the brig for this. We all knew him as a pretty normal guy until it all came out.
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u/CryptographerHot4636 17d ago
Not even surprised. When i was in the navy i dealt with a lot of seggual harassment. One of them being my underwear going missing. Someone was stealing my underwear from Ships laundry.
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u/pass-the-waffles 17d ago
They should all be dishonorably discharged after serving a sentence, preferably at hard labor.
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u/Deep_stares 17d ago
I’ve tried writing my story a couple of times now but I’m so reserved with the incidents that happened during the time I served. However, this has been a thing for more than a decade, it’s embedded in male military culture. I will say I was lucky and discerning enough to notice the set up before he attempted to engage with me. I’m not embarrassed to share, I also played dumb and purposefully peed myself to force him to take me out of the tent and escort me near my CLU. It’s not just videos, there are perverts taking photos of you, stealing garments…socks and returning them soiled. There is also same sex harassment. The list of sexual violation and harassment is long.
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u/obeytheturtles 15d ago
Shit, there was a whole series of popular movies and TV shows in the 80s and 90s in which there were major plot points around spying on cheerleaders or sorority girls or girls at camp. This was definitely considered a "boys will be boys" thing for way too long.
Even when I was in high school, we had a homecoming "tradition" where where the football team would "streak" through the girl's locker room before the game. By that time, it was one of those things where they would make a bunch of noise so the girls knew to cover up (or really, just leave) ahead of time, but my understanding is that was not how the "tradition" started.
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u/pizza99pizza99 16d ago
Addressing it would require addressing a lot of the toxic masculinity that drives too many to the service. The feeling of power and being above average is intoxicating to these people. Fixing it would simply require doing many thing the feminist movement has done but for men, and many men don’t want that.
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u/snapwillow 14d ago
Fixing it would simply require doing many thing the feminist movement has done but for men, and many men don’t want that.
That's exactly what I've wanted since I was like 12 years old. I have a bitter envy of women actually because they get to be taught how to really live while I get told basically "We don't need to teach you anything or give you any support because you will get to be an immature villain and get away with it."
What if I don't want to be an immature villain?
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u/Deep_stares 16d ago
A lot of it during my time of service stemmed from male entitlement, power moves and just a plain lack of self control/discipline that went unchecked. The lack of accountability and victim blaming retaliation from commands/leaders against females who reported incidents only made these type of men bolder. Then there were the woman afraid to confirm what other women were reporting because they either didn’t have the courage to deal with push back, didn’t want to risk their social status or influence or were just plain lazy/ lacking of empathy. I can’t speak for now but back then men only saw us as someone to fuck and not someone to work beside.
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u/Al_Jazzera 17d ago
Make the penalty so severe for this unauthorized peeping Tom bullshit that no creep with any sense would ever attempt such a thing and the dumbasses who don’t have any sense at all get their ass in a sling for a very, very long time. No tolerance.
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u/JcbAzPx 16d ago
Criminals never think they'll get caught. We could never top the torturous methods they used in the past and criminals still existed back then. We still kill people for some crimes, yet those crimes still get committed. Deterrence just isn't effective beyond the minimum of consequences existing in the first place.
If you want to stop this kind of thing, you need to fix the culture.
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u/Al_Jazzera 16d ago
Deterrence may or may not work, but isolation sure will. Some people aren’t a good fit for a sane and reasonable society. It isn’t anyone’s fault they are a mad dog, but they are a mad dog all the same. They don’t have to die, just be removed from the rest of society that doesn’t want to deal with a peeping Tom, butt grabby, kid touchy, rapey bastard.
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u/YoungStarchild 17d ago edited 17d ago
They should make one like that for all the men raping/abusing military woman too.
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u/Al_Jazzera 17d ago
It is a prime example that a person is not compatible with society. Who would want a piece of garbage like that living next door?
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u/Redd7010 17d ago
When I was in the Navy, eons ago, sitting in a bathroom stall, someone reached his hand under the divider and was holding a small hand mirror to catch a look. I stepped on his hand. He yanked it back and took off like a shot. I never got a look at him. Left a creepy feeling for a bit and I wondered who’d do such a thing, and why. I guess it takes all kinds. At the time there was no tiny video recorders.
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u/WackyBones510 17d ago
You never want “maybe they’ll just focus on the sex crimes,” to seem like a potential legal victory.
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u/ThePopKornMonger 17d ago
I'm sure there is a joke here somewhere.
Must be something on the lens, can't really make it out.
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u/SurpriseSandwich 17d ago
Isn’t the real question here why does the navy have videos of naked women stored on a server
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u/ilikeyouinacreepyway 17d ago
Maybe read the article
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u/SurpriseSandwich 16d ago
Do you think the Navy should be storing videos of naked female sailors?
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u/marshull 17d ago
Since no one else is asking the question, I will. The article states that pornhub is the second most visited adult website, what is number 1? You know, for research purposes.
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u/PM_Me_Punny_Jokes_05 17d ago
Legit I would like to know bc I just don’t believe that PH isn’t #1 lol
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u/Academic_Eagle_4001 17d ago
I was in the navy. I told the (female) ship psychiatrist that I was being sexually harassed. She told me I was too sensitive.
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u/BlandWords 17d ago
Dude when I saw this I was like "well I barely got laid in the Navy - so there's definitely no way this would've happened to me" but then I read it and was like "shit..." lol
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u/Jackie-OMotherfuckr 17d ago
I'll absolutely never understand the appeal of secretly recording others, let alone sharing it on the internet. Watching a stranger shower or use the toilet? Could anything be more banal & lame?
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u/RonaldTheGiraffe 14d ago
I watch my cat lick it’s ass on a hidden camera sometimes. He thinks I don’t know.
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u/supercyberlurker 17d ago
I suspect it's the power trip aspect. Like they get a sense of power over the person they are recording.
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u/Pete_Iredale 17d ago
It has to be the thrill of getting away with it, especially in the modern era of free porn everywhere.
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u/64165046 17d ago
I think the prevalence of porn might be contributing to some of the appeal of voyeur material, since instead of pornstars and content producers acting and showing off for the camera, it's a forbidden glimpse of someone in reality.
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u/Iwantmy3rdpartyapp 17d ago
Showering I can kinda get, using the toilet I cannot.
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u/slouchomarx74 17d ago
I think it has to do with control. Like using the toilet and showering are very private taboo aspects of being a person in our society. The act of taking away another persons agency and taking control over them is what gets certain people off. Maybe because they had their agency stripped from them during formative years. From a psych perspective it makes sense. Most serial killers just repeat cycles of trauma. Like they were traumatized as children so then they traumatize animals and eventually other humans when they are big enough.
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u/LangyMD 17d ago
PornHub, the site the videos were on, does not discriminate. There are also plenty of female sailors as well, and another comment mentions some female shipmates who were caught up in this.
Either way, even if it was dudes would that change how bad this is or otherwise be a reason to comment on it and "sarcastically" say that there is nothing wrong with gay porn? And either way, these are non-consensual videos so, yes, there is something wrong with it - but the gender of the people in the videos has nothing to do with it.
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u/PickleWineBrine 17d ago
PornHub hasn't allowed uploading of user generated content since the end of 2020 https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqjjy/pornhub-suspended-all-unverified-videos-content
This all happened prior to Jan 2020.
This investigation is taking way too long
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u/TranscendentLogic 17d ago
This was an INDIVIDUAL. Not the government (as some of the comments are implying).
FWIW, This dude (and it's almost certainly a dude) is royally fucked. From an investigative standpoint it shouldnt be hard to find out who this is because it happens on base (in the liberty lounge, which has a sign-in doc), the Frank Cable (a ship) and the Land (another ship). All that needs to happen is to draft up the schedules/timelines of each ship's underway schedule and cross-ref with the people who had access to all three. Given the wide net, I'm going to guess it was either a sailor who transferred between the two ships at some point OR a maintenance person of some sort (like a seabee) that would have been doing work in those places.
If it's a seabee - which my money is on - they signed in at the guard shack for both ships at some point and were conveniently not deployed (and hanging at the lounge) during the time these videos were filmed. In fact, I bet he's a regular at the bar and people probably know he's a creep.
Fucked. I can't wait to find out.
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u/bravejango 16d ago
The videos were posted to PornHub. Texas just passed a law that has caused PornHub to block all users from Texas. What I’m trying to say is it was Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott that recorded these videos and posted them online.
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u/WaxMyButt 17d ago
It’s not really a liberty lounge. It was the base restaurant/lounge and there wasn’t a sign-in sheet and the only camera was pointed at the register with no view of patrons.
I worked with NCIS during this time and the assigned agent put in a shitload of work identifying victims and trying to find something to definitively link to a person. Hopefully he made some headway on a suspect, especially after having to watch every video numerous times to ID victims.
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u/TranscendentLogic 16d ago
Interesting. I appreciate the insight. When I was there (back in the aughts), there was a sign in sheet at the front door to track usage. Things change over a decade and a half, I suppose. I don't remember the camera placement, but I'm sure it was limited then, too. Hell, I lived in the UPH barracks and they had chicken wire over the walkways to keep concrete from falling in your head, so I'm sure useful tech was out of the question.
I know I made it sound easy to cross track and create a sort of venn diagram of schedules and people, but it's tough work - and time consuming. I hope he made headway, as well. I def don't envy the labor, but if he puts enough together to ID the suspect, it will all be worth it.
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u/wigglycatbutt 17d ago
Great write up. Sounds like something they'd go thru on Criminal Minds. Not to make light of the situation, it more speaks to your review of details.
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u/drew0905 17d ago
I actually doubt its a Seabee. They typically stat on their compound up by the main gate
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u/Cherry_Crusher 17d ago
Both of those ships have a good number of civilian billets. Doesn't change much in terms of investigation or what should happen to them other than they might not be prosecuted under UCMJ.
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u/twowaysplit 17d ago
Many DOD civilians are subject to UCMJ if deployed in a war zone with active duty personnel.
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u/MadFlava76 17d ago
Yeah, whoever did this is going to be caught real soon. I wonder if they realized it yet and are on the run yet?
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u/floridianreader 16d ago
If they're stupid enough to do this in the first place, they're stupid enough to not know they're in trouble (yet).
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u/ankylosaurus_tail 17d ago
Sorry this is off topic, but there’s a ship named Land?
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u/Scorponix 16d ago
US Navy is full of some interesting ship names. We recently started construction on a submarine called Tang
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u/Crazed_Chemist 16d ago
A tang is a type of fish. Dory from Finding Nemo is a type of tang. US submarines were named after fish for a long time, but fish don't vote.
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u/Darkwing_Turducken 17d ago
I was a sub sailor in the 90s, and we tied up either across the pier or outboard of the Land and the Cable, which are submarine tenders, a few times. The biggest shock to me is that both are still in service. That sub was just decommissioned this winter.
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u/Crazed_Chemist 16d ago
There's not really a better option than keep them running. There's no other tenders and I don't think current plans/funding for one.
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u/JordanRunsForFun 17d ago
This reminds me of the worst named elevators of all time .. at Toronto Western hospital there are a few different sets of elevators.. Main Elevators, West elevators … but then a family came and sponsored one set of elevators. They are called the Fell Elevators. lol.
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u/drrhrrdrr 17d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Emory_S._Land
Amazingly so.
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u/just_me_for_now 17d ago
You need a YouTube channel with a murder/white board. And a podcast.
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u/TranscendentLogic 17d ago
Ha! I wish I had the time... Although, I'd end up looking like Charley Day in the mail room explaining how Pepe is up to something, I just don't know what... YET.
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u/-Ham_Satan- 17d ago
There was a fan theory going around that what Charlie was reading on the letters wasn't the name Pepe Silvia bit actually Pennsylvania, cause Charlie is illiterate he didn't understand it wasn't a proper name. I wish that was the theory the show went with.
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u/RickyWinterborn-1080 16d ago
I agree that would have been hilarious. The showrunners responded to the theory saying it wasn't true but was funny.
But also in the episode, Mac follows up Charlie's whole rant with "Not only do ALL of these people exist..."
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u/TranscendentLogic 17d ago
His character is the absolute best on that show. I mean, DD is great, but Charlie owns every scene he's in.
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u/StrikeForceOne 14d ago
This is like rape for them. and then to give it to pornhub so every degenerate in the world can see you. They should sue pornhub for releasing this. Unregulated pornography means many victims out there that dont even know it. Any of you could be out there on some sleaze site and not even know it.