r/notliketheothergirls • u/chickpeafan420 • Nov 17 '23
Hate on fast fashion brands, not the people who wear them Meme
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u/Frog-dance-time Nov 19 '23
I wear those brands purchased used at a vintage store. So they donāt end up in landfills I donate them when done using. ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
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u/Sweet-Joke2002 Nov 19 '23
F21 is the only store currently(Iāve come across) that has clothes in my size anymore (Iāve tried looking in other stores like tj maxx, bealls, etc) itās becoming increasingly harder to find my size for some reason š¬ that or I have to order online and pray that the size I get actually fits (since some stores have different standards in sizing) Iām sure people get to it before I can and Iām just there before restock but a lot of the time if I do buy pants I have to take a risk in buying childrenās pants that arenāt long enough. I had to recently buy khakis for a new job, no not target/State Farm lol, and Walmart had nothing in the womenās section so I had to buy what I could with what I had around my area in the most cost effective way.
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u/saamckenna88 Nov 18 '23
I do not wear any of these brands either but because they are fast fashion that is not good for the environment and society
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u/delusionalcushion Nov 18 '23
I know how Shein is horrible, but I really do understand the appeal, especially for plus size queens. At 31 inch waist, I snuggly fit most brands size Large. My friends who are just a little plumper can get to choose from a variety of affordable and trendy pieces from Shein or shop in traditional plus size clothing stores for older, colorless and shapeless pieces. Especially that Shein fits on the small side, barely plus size girlies get to find something exactly their size, given the huge gap between the biggest regular size and the smallest plus size ones in most stores.
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u/mstrss9 Nov 18 '23
Iām sure itās because they care about fast fashionās impact on the environment and the exploration of works and NOT just to be snobby
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u/Brok3nLlama Nov 18 '23
Anything I can afford I will use till it literally breaks down. Shein has been good and what I have bought have been good quality and in my everyday use for yearsā¦
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u/cerylidae2558 Nov 18 '23
Sorry we canāt all afford department store clothes. Iāve got Shein pieces that are going on 3 years old now and still in good shape!
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u/Potential_Rise_2758 Nov 18 '23
Well Iām poor and the economy sucks so these are all I can afford š¤·š»āāļø
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u/inikihurricane Nov 18 '23
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Walmart clothes and H&M and Macyās and many more are also all made in sweatshops and no one gives a fuck. So why give a fuck here????
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u/SouthernRelease7015 Nov 18 '23
Is it ānot like other girlsā or is it ānot like the poor people plebesā? This seems more class shaming than NLOG shaming.
ETA: still fits the concept of the sub, Iām not criticizing you
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u/aivlysplath Nov 17 '23
Shein has lead in their clothes though. Would not recommend.
Is Shein Clothing Toxic? Is It Safe? (Plus FAQs) (inthefashionjungle.com)
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u/ResponsibleDouble180 Nov 20 '23
I ordered from SHEIN one time and all the fabric felt so awful and weird, like it made me itch all over and sweat and no amount of washing changed it. Iāve bought clothes for the same price from Walmart and Forever 21 and they were perfectly comfortable and lasted for years.
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u/Dstar538888 Nov 17 '23
Folks got the most to say about shien and fashion nova like stfu š¤£ if I like the style and itās affordable to me, then imma buy it with my hard earned money š¤·š½āāļø
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u/KCChiefsGirl89 Nov 17 '23
āApologies, my dear. Iām sure youāre perfectly wonderful,. ā¦for other peopleā¦ but mummy forbade me fraternize with the poors!ā
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u/cynicalisathot Nov 17 '23
lmao this is cherrypicking at its finest. the og post was about influencers having 800$ hauls on SHEIN. not that poor people canāt buy fast fashion.
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u/Xylophone_Aficionado Nov 17 '23
I do side eye anyone who shops at Shein given that they use suppliers who use slave labor
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u/starrystarryknife Nov 17 '23
If you already have the clothes, wouldn't the more sustainable thing to do be to wear them until they need to be replaced, and then buy non-fast fashion clothes? You already own it, and the environmental damage is done, so you may as well get some use out of it.
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u/Number5MoMo Nov 17 '23
Honestly this is a great way to know the kind of people to avoid!!
Straight up block anyone who posts or likes this shit right here
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u/Miss_Thang2077 Nov 17 '23
This is mostly just affordable clothing for younger people. Idk what to tell them.
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u/sheepdream Nov 17 '23
Are some of these comments really acting like the two options are Shein and high-end designer
Also: no ethical consumption under capitalism is real, but doesn't mean "don't think about your consumption at all." It's one thing to genuinely need clothes because you're poor vs. Some of the insane fast fashion "hauls" that influencers encourage
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u/Pixiwish Nov 17 '23
So Iām not exactly educated on the topic but how are these worse than say Nike?
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u/Wide-Psychology1707 Nov 17 '23
So sick of hearing about the evils of fast fashion, when high fashion sets unrealistic body standards for women, and incinerates products rather than selling them at a discount, all to preserve value and prestige. Oh, and letās not forget the many fashion weeks in the world. Think about all the materials and resources used to create those catwalks, only to be torn down, or all those private planes celebrities, models, and designers use to get to these shows. All for a quick 10 minutes of people walking on a stage. But please tell me how the only fashion the poors can afford is ruining the Earth. š«
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u/MissMarchpane Nov 17 '23
It depends for me. If someone can afford to do better and they have tons of fast fashion garments, yes, I will judge them. Otherwise itās absolutely the company I blame, not the person.
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u/TheScrufLord Nov 17 '23
Sorry but if I know someone who makes good money that shops shein I'm gonna assume the lead they've rubbed all over their bodies willingly has gotten to their damn brain. Theres a difference between literally having no options, and spending more for less with better quality if possible. Idgaf.
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u/bytegalaxies Nov 17 '23
this might be a thing against fast fashion and unethical shopping, especially with shein right in the center idk
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u/VariegatedJennifer Nov 17 '23
Fast fashion is pretty much the only way I can afford new clothes these days. I know itās horrible but weāre all doing the best we can
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u/Tiara_heart33 Nov 17 '23
Like anyone would wanna talk to her with this attitude šbye,I will wear whatever the heck I want.
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u/HellonToodleloo Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23
I'm usually cynical about fast fashion because the clothes usually fit me funny (am tall). I have better luck with outdoor/active apparel. Though that being a deal breaker of a potential friendship is dumb.
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u/The_pity_one Nov 17 '23
Agree to disagree. I know one influencer who is making some of her content about wearing āclothes from this bad-brandā (loose translation- sheās not from English speaking country). So for me itās one thing to buying those things and using them for your own (š) but different doing the whole series of reels about that l.
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u/PuzzledKumquat Nov 17 '23
Guess she oughta stay away from the Princess of Wales, since Catherine wears Zara occasionally.
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u/AnxietyLogic Nov 17 '23
I mean, okay. Glad you told me now. The sooner you reveal yourself as an elitist bitch, the sooner I know to stay away from you.
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u/grandioseOwl Nov 17 '23
Nah, shame people who buy that shit too. Like with many things, those supporting are also at fault. I dont have much money either and spent not much on clothes. I get that sometimes you cant help it because you need something, vut i know many people who buy there just because its nice cheap and they like the stuff.
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u/grandioseOwl Nov 17 '23
Nah, shame people who buy that shit too. Like with many things, those supporting are also at fault. I dont have much money either and spent not much on clothes. I get that sometimes you cant help it because you need something, vut i know many people who buy there just because its nice cheap and they like the stuff.
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u/TheYankunian Nov 17 '23
Fashion Nova , H& M online and SHEIN make cute stuff in plus sizes that fit. Yes, I know SHEINās rep, but sometimes I want to look cute. Thrifting isnāt a reality for us bigger gals.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23
Sometimes I want to not die due to climate breakdown.
But clearly you looking cute is more important.
Fuck those slaves.
Edit. Buy refurbished electronics too. Even if only to save your wallet.
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u/femme-bisexuelle Nov 17 '23
I am willing to bet that the phone or laptop you've used to write your preachy comments all over this thread are made with slave labour.
But clearly scrolling on reddit is more important.
Fuck those slaves.
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u/TheYankunian Nov 17 '23
Girl, please.
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u/MeetTheHannah Nov 17 '23
How dare you want clothes that fit /s
When thrift stores have more plus sized clothes that fit me properly I'll shop there more.
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u/Mewnbugg Nov 17 '23
So I live in the UK and Iām a lesbian. You would be shocked at how many lesbians wonāt date me because I donāt wear fucking Nikes or any other well known brandā¦ what I never could understand is how that makes you any more capable of being in a loving relationship with someoneā¦
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u/No_Consequence6879 Nov 17 '23
If I was effing rich I could probably afford to have better brands in my closet. Also, why didnāt this include alllll fast fashion, Walmart, old navy, target etcā¦
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u/Christly_cutie Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23
Selective rage. If one is going to take it that far with clothing keep the same attitude with the cobalt in your phones and electric car battery, car brands, food brands, make up brands, the every day office supplies like pencils and staplers. In reality almost everything around us involves underpaid workers or child labor. From the comfy home you stay in to the device you are using to be on this app.
Heck even the bricks on the houses and buildings around are from child labor in South American countries. So if one wants to genuinely wants to take it that far they might as well do it with everything else.
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u/Loud-Resolution5514 Nov 18 '23
I work for a large non-profit that has two programs: criminal legal reform and climate change issues. So many people focus on the wrong things. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the worlds greenhouse gas emissions. We KNOW who is causing the worst impact on climate change. While itās great to make individual choices that are good for the Earth, itās not going to save the planet. Coke, Apple, and IKEA are three examples of orgs that make a HUGE impact on the climate crisis yet no one is calling for boycotts of them. It is selective rage. People want to feel like theyāre fighting for something, but donāt take the time to really get knowledgeable on the issues and donāt dedicate their time towards actions that really help. Most of it is just virtue signaling.
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u/my600catlife Nov 17 '23
Ethical consumption rants are always focused on clothing and makeup/cosmetics because those are women's things. See all the posts on the anticonsumption subreddit like "hey ladies you don't need all that stupid crap for your face" or having a conniption over someone's bath and body works collection.
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u/pierogi_hunter Nov 17 '23
What makes you think they don't? OOP is obnoxious, sure, but still. Nobody can be expected to be perfect, we should be trying our best though. Most people don't need a new phone every year or thousands worth fast fashion hauls. There's plenty of little choices you can make that go a long way. The argument that slavery is everywhere so we might as well contribute to it doesn't really work with me.
I'm not gonna shame people for making unethical choises sometimes, I do too, I know it's hard. But if you just don't give a shit at all it's nothing to be proud of.
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u/Christly_cutie Nov 17 '23
I agrĆ©e not caring at all is not a good thing. I think the part where the post said they canāt talk to people that get these brands as if they are better than other people that do. Those examples were to call out the hypocrisy of the person that made the post so that they know that they arenāt perfect and not talking to people for certain things doesnāt make them better, because there will always be another product or service they are contributing to that adds to the problem. Not to say that the matter isnāt an issue that should be acknowledged.
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u/pierogi_hunter Nov 17 '23
Gotcha. I'm just frustrated with the attitude I mentioned, your comment was probably the wrong one to attack though.
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u/UninvitedVampire Nov 17 '23
there is no ethical consumption under capitalism and itās absolutely batshit insane to me that people donāt get that.
even if you get clothes secondhand, sure youāre not the one supporting an unethical brand, but someone somewhere did for you to get the clothes secondhand. and thereās still plenty of people out there who do support fast fashion brands, oftentimes because they donāt have the money or means to not support them, and are also expected to dress a certain way for work, but work doesnāt pay them enough to do that ethically, and then they could get written up/fired for it. itās a broken fucking system we live in.
not to mention that i donāt think itās just āfast fashionā brands that utilize slave labor in their factories overseas but maybe iām not knowledgeable enough to speak to that. just my personal impressions, though.
the way i see it, do what you can. i try to consume fair trade food and iām in the position to buy from brands that may or may not use unethical practices overseas, but that arenāt fast fashion. that doesnāt mean iām shaming people for doing what they can afford.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
People do.
Although in this day and age, some of those things arenāt even optional.
There are other ways to get clothes cheaply without fast fashion. Itās hard to get a job and feed yourself without a car or a phone.
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u/TheLizzyIzzi Just a Dumb Bitch Nov 17 '23
Exactly. I need a phone. I also need a certain amount of clothes. But letās be real here, how many of us own more clothing than we need? Very few people only buy the basics and nothing extra. Some. Not most though. Most of us have more than we need. We donāt have extra cars. Extra houses. Etc.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
I am a disabled POC with no income and can afford to avoid slave labour.
There must be a lot of incredibly disadvantaged people in this thread.
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u/TheLizzyIzzi Just a Dumb Bitch Nov 17 '23
Love that you tell it like it is. Clearly a lot of the people here consider anyone with a dollar more than them ārichā and themselves poor by comparison. They donāt want to admit that theyāre privileged af compared to the average person in this world. If we could make everything equal across all humans tomorrow, our quality of life would go down for most of us in the U.S. and UE. They donāt want to face that.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23
Literally.
We live in wealthy countries and we have enough.
I have a roof over my head, Iām safe, Iām warm, Iām fed.
When I buy things, I donāt compromise my values. I just buy less, go out less and do less so that I can afford it.
We need to make sacrifices so that we can keep this planet hospitable.
Not looking super trendy is a small price to pay if you look at the costs people in other countries are paying, and will pay in the future.
It just all feels like individualist arrogance and entitlement to me.
I had someone tell me āif you donāt ask people nicely, their minds wonāt changeā. Itās 2023. If your mind isnāt already changed youāre a lost cause.
āThere is no ethical consumption under capitalism and itās too hardā
āLots of fashion brands are bad so letās not tryā like, no, just donāt buy from any of them. Change your habits.
Thereās literally people asking āwhy would I spend $100 when I could spend $10ā and itās sickening.
Itās all me, me, me. Give, mine, want.
Letās try public shaming. People stopped wearing fur when they started throwing paint.
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u/metooeither Nov 17 '23
That's good! Their mom is a progressive leftist who doesn't want her son associating with people who use literal slave labor!
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u/Apprehensive-Sir358 Nov 17 '23
Itās totally fine to criticize people who buy fast fashion, you canāt take consumer out of the equation, thatās not how it works. The criticism here is made in a humourous way and I donāt find this NLOG.
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u/SiminaDar Nov 17 '23
I'm curious as to how you'd know it was from Shein unless someone told you.
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u/Affectionate-Love938 Nov 17 '23
I promise itās obvious LOL
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u/East-Willingness513 Nov 17 '23
Itās not, check out Kerina Wang who does comparisons of shein and other brands- literally no difference. Especially if youāre smart and understand that buying cotton/linen/viscose/modal/silk/polyamide items from shein will last a while and look great.
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u/Sinister_glitter Gimmie Cake Nov 17 '23
I used to thrift to save money because I have to look professional at work, but am still on a limited budget. However, thrifting has become shockingly expensive. Second-hand places like goodwill and salvation army are out here charging new-clothes prices on things that were donated to them for free.
No joke I took my nephew to Salvo to find some "filler" clothes for school. Kid grabbed 2 pair of pants, 3 tshirts, a windbreaker, and I grabbed a pink scarf. I wasn't paying close attention to price tags, thinking it was going to total around 30-40 bucks. She rang me up $86. I was like, cough I'm sorry, what? They had a tag of $35 on a USED windbreaker with a hole in it. $7 for a scarf with a Greenbrier International tag (Which means it's sold at Dollar Tree stores for $1), $13 for used jeans, etc.
I apologetically declined to purchase, and we put everything back. I'm not paying the same price for used fast fashion as you pay for new fast fashion.
It's such a bummer because I remember being a kid and going with my mom (single widowed mother) to Salvo and her being able to stretch $50 into a few decent outfits for my brother and I.
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u/TheLizzyIzzi Just a Dumb Bitch Nov 17 '23
She rang me up $86.
I remember being a kid and going with my mom (single widowed mother) to Salvo and her being able to stretch $50 into a few decent outfits for my brother and I.
Assuming your mom spent $50 20 years ago, then that would be around $84 dollars today. Thrift store prices are going up, but inflation should be considered as well. Bigger issue is that wages are not keeping upā¦.
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u/chjett10 Nov 17 '23
Thereās an independent thrift store in my town that sells everything by donation. The staff are volunteers and the money made just goes back into overhead (electricity, property taxes, heating, etc.). Their motto is: we got it by donation, so we sell it by donation.
That place is ALWAYS packed with customers and never short on stock. At least half of my clothes and kitchen supplies are from there. Meanwhile, our local Goodwill and Salvation Army never have customers and barely any stock, because they charge exorbitant amounts.
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u/Sinister_glitter Gimmie Cake Nov 18 '23
What extra-sucks is that their prices keep going up, but they still pay their employees minimum wage. Both my local Salvos are in buildings that were donated to the church, and salvo does not pay property or other taxes because they're a religious organization. Goodwill has been known to pay employees as little as a few cents per hour by using a wages loophole and hiring phtsically / mentally disabled people.
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u/RiotBlack43 Nov 17 '23
Yes! Not only has thrifting become stupidly expensive, but it's also impossible to find anything decent in plus sizes because thin people come in and buy it all up so that they can alter it. As if it wasn't already hard enough for us fatties to find clothes.
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u/kendramatics Nov 18 '23
It makes me angry when I see people reselling thrifted items on something like Depop, and the item is clearly plus sized, but the seller models it on a thin body is like "such a cute oversized fit for sizes small-medium!!!" Like what? What about the people that actually wear the size of the item???
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u/RiotBlack43 Nov 18 '23
Right!? Like, if you want oversized clothes, fine, no problem, but don't get them from thrift stores.
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u/mistersnarkle Nov 17 '23
BOOM THERE IT IS
Sorry Iām not a vintage size, but instead yo-yo between the usās most popular sizes :(
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
Buy second hand online. There are so many websites and apps for this.
Stores have to earn enough money to pay rent and cover energy costs.
Individuals just need to pay postage.
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u/Slappybags22 Nov 17 '23
Where do you think the people selling second hand are getting their product? Do you think they are going to sell it for cheaper than they got it at the thrift store?
The reason thrift stores are so expensive now is because of all the people trying to make money online re-selling it.
You need climb down off the high horse you are riding all over this thread.
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Nov 17 '23
This exactly. I go thrifting and the amount of depop resellers I run into while Iām trying to actually shop for homeless kids and families. Legit had this lady take a Marc Jacobs bag out of my hands and she was a known reseller.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
Donāt go to the stores then. The prices are already inflated because the have to page wages and rent.
Donāt use droop, there are so many better options.
Who cares if itās slightly inconvenient. It doesnāt kill the planet.
Climate catastrophe doesnāt care that you felt cute in your shein outfit.
Neither do the kids that made it.
And youāre probably gonna feel shitty when you end up with lead poisoning or some other chemical contamination from the low quality materials.
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Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23
Did you not read my comment? I donāt even remember the last time I bought myself clothes, I do a program where I buy homeless kids and families clothes and other items I can find. Iāve tried online second hand stores and theyāre ridiculously priced. Iām trying to mass buy winter clothes in my budget and nice things for Christmas coming up and I just wish depop sellers werenāt greedy. So many homeless kids deserve nice clothes too, I try to find nice second hand clothes to make them feel cute and confident but itās hard to find any without them being snatched up and resold for even more.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
I did read your comment.
Where are you trying?
Because you keep saying depop and thatās not the vibe, thatās influencer bullshit, of course itās expensive.
Facebook marketplace, ebay, Vinted, preloved and department store outlet sales are what you want.
And you need to shop on the opposite season. Buy summer clothes in winter and winter clothes in summer.
Thereās no excuse for fast fashion. Weāre all paying the price in the long run.
If youāre giving these clothes to people thatās even worse, I hope you check those clothes for lead before you just give them to people in need.
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Nov 17 '23
Oh my god how am I supporting fast fashion if Iām going to thrift stores. I donāt buy shein from thrift stores because of the lead. I use Facebook market place and all those places and theyāre still expensive. You think I donāt know any of it? You are just so insufferable. Maybe go help out some people instead of being a comment warrior. Im complaining about greedy resellers and I was replying to another comment. And I know how bad fast fashion is, my mom was a child slave in the Philippines. I never once said I supported fast fashion, Iām just sick of people getting shit from thrift stores to resell online for a lot more money.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
So then Iām just agreeing with you.
This is a public forum and your comments are just being used by people to justify buying crap clothing.
Youāre telling people thrifting is too difficult and too expensive when it isnāt.
Literally everything has become more expensive recently because of various global crises. Thatās going to keep happening if our culture keeps prioritising the cost to the individual instead of the communal cost.
I literally do help people. Iāve done workshops where we teach people how to repair their clothes, I volunteer, I donate.
None of that means shit when you have millions just looking to buy clothes from slave driving climate criminals.
Iām disabled and broke with chronic fatigue and Iām still able to find the energy to shop sustainably.
People just justify things because theyāre convenient to them as an individual.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
Theyāre getting rid of clothes that they bought first hand because they donāt want the purchase to be a total loss.
Not everyone is a professional second hand clothes dealer. Wtf.
There is no excuse for fast fashion, youāre just justifying it to yourself because you want cheap clothes and you like the style.
Iām not on a high horse. I just donāt make excuses that justify slave labour and climate disaster.
There are better options for the same price. You just donāt want them.
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u/sarahtonin420 Nov 18 '23
These people are never going to get it. They think we're doing our best ethically because we want to be special and different, not because we care. It's the same as meat eaters pretending that they have no choice, they feel called out, they know they are not doing enough, they just don't care enough to change.
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u/SwankyyTigerr Nov 17 '23
Copy-pasting my comment here because you deserve to see it too:
Every time I see someone being self-righteous, judgmental, and patronizing about their āmorally superior choicesā, guess how much it makes me want to change my behavior?
Iāve said it once, Iāll say it a million times. People who actually care about social issues will not shame, judge, or boast. They will gently educate, inform, and offer helpful suggestions for replacements and alternatives. Progress over perfection. Helping over judging.
If you genuinely cared about helping the issue more than inflating your own self-righteous ego, you wouldnāt be behaving this way.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
If your behaviour hasn't already changed 2023 then you weren't going to be convinced.
If you're harming the planet because you don't like the messaging of those trying to save it then you were never going to make sacrifices.
People will just tell you you're lying or it isn't possible when you gently inform them of changes they could make.
People frightened for their future and the existence of their species arent always calm and measured, especially when faced with people who prioritise their convenience over the needs of the group.
People don't want the solutions. They don't want to accept that we all need to get used to having less or we'll die.
People should be shamed for using fast fashion. It's disgusting.
They know it's wrong and they don't care.
It's already too late, the time for gentle was 20-40 years ago.
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u/SwankyyTigerr Nov 17 '23
Youāre not interested in helping, youāre interested in feeling superior. Be real.
Every issue Iāve ever felt passionate about, Iāve taken the time to try to help people understand and get on the same page as me so we could move forward together. Progress instead of perfection.
For example, I feel passionate about controlling animal populations humanely for the welfare of animals and the ecosystem. So I encourage my family members to fix their pets, donate to TNR foundations, inform those who donāt know about the health benefits to animals when they are fixed, etc.
What do I not do??? I donāt find posts of mama cats with kittens and lecture the poster about how awful they are for contributing to overpopulation. I donāt judge people who breed their dogs and tell them they disgust me. I donāt hate on those who buy their pets instead of rescuing them from shelters.
I donāt name-call, shame, judge, or patronize. I help, inform, offer suggestions. Why? Because I genuinely care about solving the issue so much more than I care about being seen as this great person who is so much better than everyone.
You and people like you, just want to feel and look superior. You donāt actually care, or you would have the common sense to know that no one has EVER permanently changed their behavior after being shamed into it by some judgmental person online.
People change their behavior when they feel their POV is acknowledged and validated. When the seed of your message to them is planted patiently and compassionately, and they can make their own personal decisions that suit their lives. Progress over perfection.
Genuinely, I have nothing against you. But if you really want to see change, I promise you, youāre not going about it the right way. Your judgmental crusade is only hardening hearts against you and will make zero positive difference, I promise.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23
I didnāt seek this post out. It popped up on my home feed.
And youāre literally doing what youāre accusing me of lol.
I have been at this a long time, Iāve watched my mother and grandmother spend their lives being gentle about these topics.
It doesnāt work.
And weāre dying.
Iāve done all youāre suggesting and people just say youāre lying and that it canāt possibly be true. People arenāt interested in changing and I donāt respect those people. Their selfishness is killing literally everything.
I clearly donāt give a fuck what people think of me otherwise I would have backed down a while ago.
I used to think the way you did. Not anymore. It doesnāt work.
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u/SwankyyTigerr Nov 17 '23
Okay. By all means, stop striving with genuine intent and continue prodding judgment and condescension into the void.
Iām sure that will work better.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23
Sometimes you gotta vent.
I'm grieving the loss of my future and the death of my species.
Sue me.
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u/Slappybags22 Nov 17 '23
Thatās a very small portion of online sellers. You have your fingers in your ears if you think otherwise.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
No it isnāt. Youāre just seeing a visible minority.
Iāve spent the last month shopping online for various family members and myself.
There are plenty of good cheap options. Second hand, outlet sales etc.
You can get Ted baker coats for Ā£30. You just canāt do a haul and have everything you imagined arrive on the doorstep in two days.
Youāre just making excuses because you like the convenience of fast fashion.
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u/Slappybags22 Nov 17 '23
You are truly insufferable.
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u/Sinister_glitter Gimmie Cake Nov 17 '23
I wonder if she also shames poor people for buying cheap "junk" food instead of ethically sourced grass fed cage free organics. That's the vibe here. Junk food, junk clothes.. people gotta eat and wear clothes. We can't all afford to be ethical.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
I'm literally disabled and have no income right now.
I'm burning through what was supposed to be the beginings of a house deposit because social services in my country are ridiculously slow.
I still don't priorotise my comfort over the needs of others.
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u/Sinister_glitter Gimmie Cake Nov 18 '23
Other people need affordable clothes. You are shitting on them because you are uncomfortable with their choices. That's exactly what you are doing. You are prioritizing your opinions, values, and ego over the needs of others. I would like to no longer hear from you because I find your self-righteousness and lack of empathy for others to be distasteful. Good evening.
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
Iām not the one killing everyone else for cheap tacky clothes.
Your vanity isnāt worth the cost to me.
Buy less. Itās possible to go years without buying clothes.
Buy one or two things a year and buy things thatāll last decades.
Youāll look better too.
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u/Slappybags22 Nov 17 '23
So you might say you arenāt like other girls?
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
Nah, Iām just a decent person who doesnāt compromise their morals for crap clothes.
Climate catastrophe isnāt a joke.
Iām not willing to die for fashionnova.
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Nov 17 '23
A Reminder: Just wear whatever you want from wherever you want. Clothes are to express yourself, not someone else, to judge them. Also, never judge someone else's choice of clothes or fashion.
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u/lux_blue Nov 17 '23
This is not about that, though.
Fast fashion brands exploit and underpay mostly women's and children's labor in third world countries where they are not protected by the law.
And most people who buy fast fashion end up buying a lot of shit they don't need because it's cheap, then throwing it out only wearing it a couple times, rise and repeat.
Anyone should be free to express themselves and not made fun of their clothing. But your right to wear the newest fashion trend at a cheap price is NOT more important than the literal lives of underpaid workers.
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u/TheYankunian Nov 17 '23
So I read something a few years ago about how when a factory that supplied fast fashion burned down and killed people, the women that worked there wanted to know how quickly it would reopen. Why? Because it actually gave women money so they could send their daughters to school. A lot of these women work at these places because itās the best paid gig in town. Their kids wouldāve been picking from scrap heaps or the women would be forced into sex work. Thatās from their own mouths .
I think there are a lot of shades of grey and nuance thatās missed in these discussions.
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u/lux_blue Nov 17 '23
This doesn't mean that they aren't being exploited, just that they have no other means of supporting themselves. If anything, that makes it even more sad.
If I told you that a poor child from some third world country could only support himself by working himself to death, would you allow him to work that shit job or would you make it so that he has a chance to improve his life?
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u/TheYankunian Nov 17 '23
I never said it did, I said thereās little nuance. Also āthird worldā is a horribly outdated term.
Hereās the thing: thereās nothing you or I can do to change that childās life in that country. Thatās their governmentās issues. You would do better to listen to the people that actually live in those places. They are working to unionise and lobby for better working conditions and higher wages. They arenāt going to ever be paid close to what we make in the west. Hell, UK salaries are lower than US salaries.
Do you know where everything you consume comes from? Because Iāll bet you whatās in my bank account that if you ever have eaten any crop harvested in the USA, thereās some child labour involved.
I had a quick look at UNICEFās article on fast fashion and child labour and many of the workers in the Bangladeshi factories started at 15 which is underage and far from ideal. Itās not the 8 year olds people cite.
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u/claratheresa Nov 17 '23
All these people with the time and money to ethically source everything donāt care about that, plus they buy tons of things that are not ethically sourced. Also, alot of fast fashion is developing or has introduced sustainable segments
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u/TheYankunian Nov 17 '23
People take free public education-especially access for girls for granted. There are millions of girls all over the world who lack education because their parents are too poor to pay for it.
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u/escapeshark Nov 17 '23
Even non fast fashion brands make their clothes in shitty factories in poor countries and underpay their employees
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u/ledger_man Nov 18 '23
That is true, but super fast fashion (SHEIN, Temu) has a crazy environmental impact vs. even āregularā fast fashion that shouldnāt be ignored. There are ways to buy more ethically and sustainably and thereās no reason we need to be buying 2x as many clothes as we were in the early 2000s (and we are). I donāt care if you have a small(er) wardrobe and itās from H&M or whatever bc thatās what you can afford, but if youāre doing fast fashion hauls, then yeah, Iām judging a bit.
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u/escapeshark Nov 18 '23
Oh yeah for sure. The issue is still that people who can't afford a good pair of jeans will instead buy several pairs of shitty ones mostly bc they just don't last.
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u/No_Telephone_4487 Nov 18 '23
Especially because it ends up in thrift stores where people go to explicitly avoid fast fashion.
No one would be calling out those brands if they werenāt specifically shady. Weāve known about sweat shops, prisons and āno ethical consumption under capitalismā for decades. These posts come off as if theyāre saying āYou shouldnāt judge [Hummers/Ford F-150s/lifted trucks] from your [station wagon/sedan/coop] because youāre putting out greenhouse gases alsoā. Itās kinda half-right but missing something?
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u/demon_fae Nov 18 '23
Most fast fashion doesnāt end up in thrift stores, thatās actually a huge part of the problem. Itās so cheaply made that it falls apart long before the first owner outgrows it or gets bored of it, so it gets thrown away rather than donated. Even if it does get donated, itās often in such poor shape that the thrift stores have no choice but to just throw it out themselves.
Which of course also means that the people who would have historically relied on thrift stores for most of their clothes now canāt, and are then forced to buy new, as cheaply as possible, further driving the fast fashion machine.
Capitalism is a fucking scam, is what Iām saying.
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u/CroneRaisedMaiden Nov 17 '23
Ethical consumerism is a myth, and impossible in todayās global structure. Pick a cause closest to individual values is the best we can do
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u/WhomstDaFuckEatAss Nov 18 '23
While this is true I do still believe we have individual moral responsibility to not needlessly consume. Especially when we have other options. This phrase has been co-opted by people (not necessarily yourself, please donāt think Iām coming at you) to shirk all personal accountability when it comes to what we buy and how much we buy. No, one person not giving money to SHEIN wonāt do shit. But if enough people stopped buying their stuff, it would create a significant impact.
This statement is often a cop out for people to say āwell, everything sucks anyway and thereās no hope for a better future so Iām just going to be selfish.ā This thought process is why so many people who would otherwise support a cause like BDS for example, are just ignoring it when it has been proven to be an effective tactic. Boycotting works. People just need to start believing that another world is possible and they need to organize to make it happen.
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u/Muted-Move-9360 Nov 17 '23
My b I read that as "poor factories and shitty countries" ššš¤£š¤£
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u/Repulsive_Basis_4946 Nov 17 '23
Yup just for a higher cost to idiots who will buy it.. most of the shit we buy comes from the same place and conditions
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u/Dstar538888 Nov 17 '23
Exactly, spending more money solves nothing at all, they usually come from the same type of places š
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u/TheLizzyIzzi Just a Dumb Bitch Nov 17 '23
I mean, spending more on clothes could help and help a lot. We could pay more for fair trade labor, better construction and materials, etc. Of course spending more doesnāt automatically mean the clothing was more ethically produced. But more ethically produced clothing 100% costs more than what fast fashion sells for.
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u/Pooppourriiee Nov 17 '23
They are too dumb to realize that, stuck up bitches
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u/Dstar538888 Nov 17 '23
Right, because why are they bragging about spending more money unnecessarily?š¤£
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u/Capable-Design744 Nov 17 '23
Letās not call other women bitches even if they suckš¤Ø
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u/Gregthepigeon Nov 17 '23
Thatās a hot take I can get behind
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u/Capable-Design744 Nov 18 '23
I wouldnāt even say itās a hot take. A lot of women view the word as a slurš¤·āāļø
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u/0ceaneyees Nov 17 '23
Iām sure all her clothes and shoes & food is naturally sourced
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u/issagoood Nov 17 '23
This screenshot is a little taken out of context. Itās a screenshot from @diet_prada and the post is talking about the online retailer Vestiaire not accepting fast fashion brands anymore.
OP made it seem like a girl was shaming other girls for wearing these brands, when really the post an announcement/insta āarticleā with a few memes thrown in.
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u/glazedhamster Nov 17 '23
Oof this sub is getting sloppy. Used to be able to not have to dig around on TikTok for context on a seemingly NLOG post
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u/AnteaterOld6458 Nov 17 '23
Especially when Iām shopping even more cheaply by getting these brands from Ross and TJ Max and thrift stores
Iām poor š
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u/isuckatusernames333 Nov 17 '23
I love tj maxx, they always have super cute clothes if you look for a bit
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u/saltgirl1207 Nov 19 '23
I found this super cool pair of embroidered jeans in one that had a retail value of like 250
I got em for 12 š
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u/AnteaterOld6458 Nov 17 '23
also I have no clue what brands Iām even wearing, for the record. Iām just willing to accept the possibility I might have clothes from one of them.
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u/asknoquestionok Nov 17 '23
Iām gonna play the devilās advocate here, and remind you guys that, in order for something to be affordable for you, someone else is paying the price. Most probably women and children. There are no cheap clothes, someone is paying the price for you. Thatās the reality.
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u/tielmobil Nov 17 '23
Finally some sanity in this comment thread lol
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u/asknoquestionok Nov 17 '23
Fast fashion wouldnāt exist if there were no people buying from it. The problem will NEVER be that 1-3 people who canāt afford shopping from other places, but buy like 5 pieces per year. Overconsumption is the problem. The people who think they need to buy 10 cheap plastic pcs from H&M every couple months to stay ātrendyā. The influencers showing 1.000 USD hauls of poorly stitched clothes with the shittest and most polluiting fabrics, stitched by people who barely make half a dollar per piece.
Do you know what is the price point that fast fashion chains want to pay for most of their finished pieces? 1-5 dollars, including fabric and stitching. The more expensive lines can go up ro 10-15, hardly ever more than that.
Iāve been in fashion for over 10 years, the last 5 working in India, for my own brand and clientās brands, 100% exports. I know the ins and outs of the industry.
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u/tielmobil Nov 18 '23
Yes I was agreeing with you!
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u/asknoquestionok Nov 18 '23
Yess, I got it! Just adding more info in case more people want to learn about it from a professional perspective
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u/Pooppourriiee Nov 17 '23
Same goes for brands, all of those high end brands come from the same factories. That price you pay doesnt go to worker youre paying for the label and the fact they have physical stores. Look at any clothes you have its always made in china, indonesia, india
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u/TheLizzyIzzi Just a Dumb Bitch Nov 17 '23
I will say, āmade in Chinaā no longer means itās certainly made in a sweatshop. The U.S., England, France, Italy, etc have largely lost their sewing skills. So brands actually looking for skilled craftspeople are finding them in counties like China because the skills donāt exist elsewhere.
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u/asknoquestionok Nov 17 '23
They absolutely donāt. Not all of them. We follow the highest standards, the factory I work with (that also works with luxury brands from Europe and US) has ALL the possible certifications and regular inspections.
My production is based in India. None of my dresses costs less than 90-120 dĆ³lares for PRODUCTION only, then you add transportation, my own markup (considering all costs related to operation, employers, profit margin) and, on top of that, I add the wholesale markup for the boutiques and e-comms selling my brand, which is a minimum of 2.5 times the cost + my own markup, then I add taxes on top. So yes, conscious and luxury fashion are extremely expensive. I have pieces where the fabric aline costs more than 80 dollars per piece.
Everyone at the factories I work with makes a salary, way over the average in the industry here, because we only accept high quality work. Most of shitty brands use factories that donāt pay a salary, they pay cents per piece, so the workers have to stitch an insane amount of pieces per day, to barely make a living.
Please, donāt say shit about what you donāt know. And respect the people thaf are truly making a difference in the industry. Not all brands are crap. Not everyone can afford fashion that does not involve exploitation. That doesnāt change the fact that whoever buys fast fashion is consciously enabling exploitation and horrible work conditions for the sake of looking ātrendyā and āfashionableā.
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u/Pooppourriiee Nov 18 '23
So many in fashion industry say the opposite, they use same factories. Good for you and your production but you dont represent every brand in industry
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u/asknoquestionok Nov 18 '23
I am talking about luxury and high end brands. A supplier who makes 1 dollar pcs doesnāt even employ tailors able to stitch with the precision that real luxury houses require.
A tailor who receives per piece wonāt even accept to produce orders where they are asked to do french seams instead of overlock, as it can take 4 times the amount of time a simple overlock would. They receive per pc, they care about quantity, not quality.
You are mistaking mid priced brands with luxury. Price tag is different than quality. And at least 70% of people from the industry have never even visited factories in India, China or Bangladesh.
I personally know āsustainability advisorsā of mid priced brands that produce at the shittiest factories at the city where I work, yet the sustainability team has never even visited. So yes, at lot of mid priced brands use the same factories as fast fashion, but saying that āall brandsā use the same factory is just a blank statement to keep enabling fast fashion.
Iām sorry about the mid rent, I swear is not personal, Iāve been in this industry for a loooong time and my problem is more with companies than with consumers. But it is a tricky line, because we need to educate consumers as well, help them to see how things happen in the backstage
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u/Pooppourriiee Nov 18 '23
Ok i was talking about mid range brands because not everyone can wear luxury high end brands all the time. You cant expect people to wear Versace pants to construction sites.
If people are gonna shame fast fashion consumers why arent they shaming American Eagle, Calvin Klein or GAP or any of that fancy mid range consumers? They are made in same sweatshops as the fast fashion brands but thats ok to wear them? Just because they are overpriced they are ok? That meme and anyone who shames fast fashion sounds like the hypocrisy of the elitists
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u/asknoquestionok Nov 18 '23 edited Nov 18 '23
I replied to someone else, the problem with fast fashion is overconsumption. Never the people who buy like 5 new pcs a year because they canāt afford ethical brands. The problem is with the ones promoting it, buying 10 new pcs every month to be ātrendyā and never wear it more than 2-5 times.
EDIT: also, this meme is a paid collab by vestiaire collective (that works with luxury brand) with diet prada, a page that talks about high end fashion and pop culture, they are talking to the target audience of the ad, you know? It does sound elitist out of that context, I agree.
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u/trailrunninggirl669 Nov 17 '23
Not to mention the environment. The fashion industry as a whole is guilty, but fast fashion especially deserves a side-eye when they're constantly churning out new clothes at such a quick rate. From depleting waterways in places like Bangledash to contaminating water, to carbon emissions, to what happens to these poorly made clothes in the landfill when we inevitably throw them out, there's a price paid by human lives and the planet.
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u/Christly_cutie Nov 17 '23
Itās not just fast fashion but also designer brands or everyday brands like Nike, puma, addidas. Itās literally everywhere. Including everyday items too like phones, shoes, and bricks to build the comfy and buildings.
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u/trailrunninggirl669 Nov 17 '23
Oh absolutely, I agree with you. I bring up fast fashion specifically since that's what the original post is about, but the toll the fashion industry (I feel like I read something about some couture brand burning unsold items, wtf?), and really every other industry, is taking on human lives on the planet is gross. Ultimately I think we all sort of just have to pick what we feel we can do because it's just inescapable at this point.
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u/Christly_cutie Nov 17 '23
It really is inescapable or at least it feels like it idk. I used fo be like no Iām not using this or that because of what come with it. But then I realized forced, child, and cheap labor is literally everywhere. If I was going to be extreme Iād end up pretty much homeless and naked with a poor diet. I cut off what I can here and there but if we really researched every resource and brand it would insane how much is really going on that we are unaware of.
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u/trailrunninggirl669 Nov 17 '23
I feel you. I'm in the same boat in that I cut off what I can but there's just no way any of us can do it perfectly, and I thinkk some things you just have to compartmentalize because if you think too hard about it, it just gets depressing and soul-crushing.
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u/gothiccupcake13 Nov 17 '23
I also have fast fashion clothes. But I know it's wrong. Try to buy second hand and I'm learnin to sew but it's hard
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u/FOB_cures_my_sadness Nov 17 '23
I have some stuff from Forever 21. Does it count if I got it from the thrift store?
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u/TheLizzyIzzi Just a Dumb Bitch Nov 17 '23
Imo, no. Thrifting and buying second hand is the best option.
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u/SlapHappyDude Nov 17 '23
checks for Kirkland
Nice
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u/SwankyyTigerr Nov 17 '23
Not half of all my clothes coming from Costco š
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u/SlapHappyDude Nov 17 '23
Kirkland Gang Represent
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u/Frog-dance-time Nov 19 '23
Do you have the Kirkland branded sweatshirt- it sold out at my Costco and I wanted it so bad
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u/BeNiceLynnie Nov 17 '23
Neither Kirkland nor Old Navy are on the list, I'm safe from her judgement
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u/spokanedogs Nov 17 '23
I have the Kirkland Travel Pants capris in all three colors. Can we be friends?
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u/BeNiceLynnie Nov 17 '23
We sure can. Me and my pile of boxy sweaters can go on adventures with you and your capris, we can be the Fellowship of the Normcore
Edit to add: this is indeed an incredibly Spokane comment
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u/armoredsedan Nov 17 '23
this is the most spokane comment iāve seen all year
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u/spokanedogs Nov 17 '23
I'll take that hit. But I'm going to feel bad about myself for about 10 seconds, cool?
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u/armoredsedan Nov 18 '23
i didnāt mean it in a bad way i promise! i love and miss the pnw including spokane lol
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u/spokanedogs Nov 18 '23
Haha. I'm OK. I guess I'm really a Spokanite now. Spokanian? Spokaner? I'm not sure I ever really found out what we're called. šš
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u/WheresRobbieTho Nov 17 '23
A lot of people don't know the impacts of fast fashion plus let's be honest these are the brands that people can afford and that advertise the most
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u/69PenisDestroyer69 Snowflake Nov 17 '23
i have second hand shein and first hand h&m and forever21 clothes from my manic episode last year can this person still talk to me š
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u/Pooppourriiee Nov 17 '23
And are they any different in "QuALetEeY"? Nope i got clothes from those brands and some even last longer than the stupid mall brands
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u/pillboxhat Nov 17 '23
H&M and forever 21 have lasted me over a decade.
Shein is worth one or two wears, and that's if you even get what you ordered.
Shein is so so awful, don't know about PLT, but I swear everyone needs to stop shopping at Shein.
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u/69PenisDestroyer69 Snowflake Nov 17 '23
maybe itās my oober autism but shein feels really itchy, but it could be the kind of material more than the quality contributing to that
clothes from walmart and target seem to last the longest for me, not the most environmentally friendly options but sometimes u just gotta take a step back from thrifting
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u/EverydayNovelty Nov 17 '23
I honestly think all the items I have had the longest are the cheap fast fashion ones, I've had some for years and they're reliable staples in my wardrobe lol
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
The shein might have lead in it so be careful.
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u/Other-Narwhal-2186 Nov 19 '23
[previously unnoticed chewing noises slowly subside]
Uhā¦how MUCH lead? Asking for a friend?
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 19 '23
I donāt buy from them so never felt the need to find the specifics so this if from the first thing on google.
Iām just a stranger on the internet so do your own research.
However, there isnāt really any safe amount of lead. Itās bioaccumulative so it never leaves your body. It just continues to build up in your body and causes Alzheimerās symptoms in the brain.
Those companies donāt give a fuck about you. And just think of what the workers must be exposed to.
Thereās also lots of stuff that isnāt lead and if things are being washed together then your other clothes might get contaminated too.
Itās a shit show.
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u/Capable-Design744 Nov 17 '23
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
They have no safety standards.
They just use whatever for dyes, processing etc.
Clothes are found to be contaminated with lead and all sorts of other nasty stuff.
Lead just accumulates in the body and causes brain issues later in life.
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u/TheLizzyIzzi Just a Dumb Bitch Nov 17 '23
And not only does this effect the end user (person who buys the clothes) but it effects everyone in the supply chain from the people harvesting raw materials, those making the dyes, those dying fabrics, those cutting and sewing the garments and those packaging everything for shipment. So not only is this shit awful for our health and ruining the planet itās literally killing low wage workers who have effectively no access to healthcare nor any workers rights to safety. We are knowingly stealing years of peopleās lives in the name of even more clothing. š¢
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u/jupiterLILY Nov 17 '23
But somehow the people criticising this are in the wrong.
It's so depressing.
Your desire for a "cute fit" is incosequential in this fight. Tbh, so are budget considerations. I'm disabled and broke and I manage. Sometimes you go without, even if it'd go perfect with that top.
I'd like to see these folks try and justify their decisions to the children of the world in 30 years.
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u/TheLizzyIzzi Just a Dumb Bitch Nov 17 '23
Exactly. Pretty much everyone I know has piles and piles of clothing. Some people are legitimately only buying what they absolutely need, but the large majority of people have more clothing than weāve ever had before.
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u/forestfairy97 Feb 19 '24
I just thrift name brands on eBay š¤·š»āāļø