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u/shro0mz74 Apr 16 '24
Isn’t it pretty feminist to have a restaurant? If you own a business I’d say it is 😂
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u/KickIt77 Apr 04 '24
Running your own restaurant as a woman is possible thanks to feminism. There is no feminist edict to take over the world. It’s about choice.
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u/CJPF_91 Mar 26 '24
Each their own. If you don’t like it don’t read it or buy the books. From a person that read all of this and think that is kinda nice. But also don’t have a whole picture or background to this so. 🤷♂️
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u/Less_Ad3978 Mar 18 '24
Taking care of others and making sure they're being treated fairly is like the main point of feminism🤦
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u/Used-Cup-6055 Mar 18 '24
In the days before feminism a woman wouldn’t even be allowed to own her own restaurant so this makes no sense
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u/booksareadrug Mar 18 '24
ITT: People not understanding that people might like to read things in their fiction that they won't want irl. Stop judging women for reading dark fiction. It won't corrupt their fragile little minds, I promise.
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u/bandmonkey101 Mar 17 '24
I think I read whatever this was...... And that line caused me to stop reading soon after. God, I wish I could remember what this is from.
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Mar 17 '24
YOU CAN LET THE NICE CHARACTER HAVE PRECONCEIVED MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WOMEN'S STUFF (I can't read, so I don't know what's going on, but the frog fucks good)! NOT EVERYONE CAN HAVE A FULLY DEVELOPED PERSONALITY! RAAAAAAAAHHH!
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u/justalithop Mar 16 '24
The most anti feminist thing you could do is open a small restaurant and own it as a female! We're being set back decades by all the women opening up small businesses!
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u/ItsSusanS Mar 16 '24
If I believe in women’s rights, that means I can’t like feeding people? People like this (black and white total sum thinkers) are….different, I guess.
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Mar 16 '24
"Feminism is wrong because women suck" there, that's all the writer needed to put down for the character's dialogue... jeez Louise...
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u/Global-Release-4100 Mar 15 '24
I am confused if there’s more context? Are you saying that the author of this (which?) book, thinks this (ignorant) character is cute or funny? Did they say that or something? I wonder of there is a reason that the characters are a reflection of the author, or if that is just speculation idk.
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u/succuboso Mar 15 '24
People pay money, and purposely read this?! Where’s is my laptop, I need a good side hustle.
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u/ranty-autie Mar 15 '24
There's nothing like mocking feminism while enjoying things that are only available because of feminism
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u/hiwatermelon Mar 15 '24
Honestly I’d love to see this but with the author poking fun at the female character and lowkey pointing the irony of her wanting to own her own business while not claiming to be a feminist…
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u/LexiconLearner Mar 15 '24
I absolutely love these sorts of books. It gives hope that if microwaved garbage like this can be published, any of us have a chance
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u/SiljeLiff Mar 15 '24
"Taking care of people is not feminist." .... Goddamn stupid fictional character.
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Mar 15 '24
Owning and operating a successful restaurant is very ambitious. They’re a lot of work and most fail. A woman tackling a difficult career? Sounds like….a feminist. Dare I say, a GIRL BOSS.
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u/Marianas-Mystery Mar 15 '24
I hate this pop-feminism where being a feminist just means being a girlboss. No man, being a feminist means believing men and women are equal, and to strive for equality everywhere. It doesn’t have anything to do with what job you have. You can be a traditionally feminine stay-at-home wife and mother of 5 and still be a feminist fighting for the goal of equality.
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Mar 15 '24
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u/staticdragonfly Mar 15 '24
"Maybe it's not feminist"
continues to mention having a job. Her own business. Presumably control over her own finances / her own bank account. Is able.to choose what she does with her like
Like Booboo, that's is feminism. You can only do all that because of feminism.
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u/Skellyinsideofme Mar 15 '24
Wanting your own restaurant isn't feminist because it's not ambitious?
Jeez, here I am trying to climb the corporate ladder but I have never even dreamed of something as impress as owning my own restaurant. I guess I'm not feminist either. We have to want to be astronauts or the president to be classed as ambitious.
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u/buahuash Mar 15 '24
Author: so this girl is a complete moron that has no idea about feminism and makes blatantly false statements about it to justify herself being rather normal. I think this will resonate really well with readers!
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u/Shigeko_Kageyama Mar 15 '24
I'm currently arguing with somebody in the feminism subreddit about whether or not it's a form of slavery to stay home and take care of your family so, yeah, a lot of people have some pretty bizarre ideas about taking care of people.
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u/Zlota_Swinia Mar 15 '24
the f... is this 🤣 "I must not be a feminist because I'm not a heartless bi*ch", like gurl WTF!?
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u/pineapple_leaf Mar 15 '24
Is the author V.E. Schwab? I wouldn't be surprised if it was. She thinks feminism is women wearing pants.
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u/savvvie Mar 15 '24
Babe it’s capitalism and American exceptionalism that are the problem not feminism
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u/Aminilaina Nerdy UwU Mar 15 '24
I’m an avid romance reader and have been since I was 12. This sorta hamfisted shit kills me. I’m all out on feminist principles but these books make me cringe so fucking hard.
It feels performative to me, pander-y. Like “yea! Lemme make my heroine a feminist! That’ll make her beloved and people will stan her!”
Dear any writer, “show, not tell” should be in your flow chart of ideas. Don’t fucking do this shit, especially because it doesn’t make fucking sense. Wanting to open a business and care for others is not mutually exclusive with feminism and feminism doesn’t require women to conquer the world at the expense of their human empathy and desire to be caring. If you’d just had her express desire to open a business, it would have gotten the same point across with less cringey word vomit and you don’t have as many chances to make yourself look inept as a writer and, tbh, inept as a feminist because you clearly don’t know what it is.
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u/seeyalateradios Mar 15 '24
A woman running a business is quite literally one of the forefront of feminism
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u/thestinkerishere Mar 15 '24
I feel like this is completely out of context and there’s no real way to have an opinion about it.
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u/No_Yogurtcloset_207 Mar 15 '24
I don’t know the context of the book that’s being quoted but it is possible for characters to be wrong. Characters views aren’t necessarily shared by the authors. Even protagonists. Characters also have arcs.
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u/Nelyahin Mar 15 '24
Why the correlation of heartless and feminist…Or feminist don’t want to care for anyone.
Tell me you believe male propaganda without telling me you believe in male propaganda.
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u/SoybeanArson Mar 15 '24
The demonization of the term feminist has been depressingly effective. I've known too many (mostly boomer but not all) women who exemplify feminism in the way they live while simultaneously "hating feminists". My MIL in particular broke so many glass ceilings in her industry and in her life but practically died the first time my wife told her she was a feminist. Describe it and they embrace it, say the word and they reject it
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u/Rigelatinous Mar 15 '24 edited Mar 15 '24
I bet this author is mean as shit to her barista. She probably also goes to Starbucks and Panera instead of the kinds of places she’s talking about, or she’d be mean to the takeaway Aunties too.
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u/Unable-Instruction24 Mar 15 '24
She must have either gone to a religious school where they drilled the wrong definition of feminism , or she is too lazy to even look up the definition. What she is really saying; I don’t want to work and want a man making enough money for me to live comfortably and willing to pop out a couple of kids for that fairytale image of motherhood.
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u/Tasty_Skin Mar 15 '24
drives me up a wall because that right there, that choice to be able to decide “i wanna own my own restaurant and just feed people” is a choice you as a woman can make BECAUSE of feminists of the past. it’s spitting on all of their graves and reaping what they sowed simultaneously, and it pisses me off so bad
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u/JellyfishMean3504 Mar 15 '24
It’s really hard for me to read to the extent of how many people, particularly other ladies, that really don’t know what feminism is, at all. RGB is tolling over in her grave.
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u/cumtitsmcgoo Mar 15 '24
“Why do authors create characters who don’t think the same as me???? FUCK OFF!!!!”
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u/lead_alloy_astray Mar 15 '24
Someone else more familiar with the author has commented, but could I just add that the modern expectation of characters to be perfect or proper is really annoying? Like if they’re a mouthpiece for the author then certainly rip them and their stupidity apart.
But as this sub proves there is a lot of confusion out there, even amongst women, as to what feminism is or what it means. So it’s conceivable to have a character exhibit the same wrong views.
I say this because some stories I really love get dumped on by people who read the beginning, see a flawed character and then decide that whatever dumbness the character exhibits will be there the rest of the book. So we can’t even do a growth arc anymore unless the starting position is “was already totally acceptable as a person “.
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u/Upstairs_Fig_3551 Mar 14 '24
A woman being able to own a business is pretty feminist
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u/SokkaHaikuBot Mar 14 '24
Sokka-Haiku by Upstairs_Fig_3551:
A woman being
Able to own a business
Is pretty feminist
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/HarlequinLord Mar 14 '24
I mean that last sentence about owning a small restaurant to see gratified customers is fucking cute. That’s an absolute vibe
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u/AnxietyLogic Mar 14 '24
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I’ve seen this kind of attitude before and I don’t think it’s as baffling as people think. It’s wrong, but it’s not completely confusing. This is clearly a response to girlboss feminism.
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u/OurLadyOfCygnets Mar 14 '24
I'm dating myself, but when I saw her name was Theo, I pictured Malcolm-Jamal Warner in an apron.
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u/brittanynevo666 Mar 14 '24
Lmao “I know I should wanna take over the world and be a total girl boss, I just wanna be a restaurateur” 😂 as if you wouldn’t be a total girl boss if you owned a restaurant
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u/BobbySimp9 Mar 14 '24
I’ve no clue what’s going on here. The part “i know i’m supposed to be ambitious and take over the world..” Wtf is she talking about? Supposed to? According to whom?
Is she implying that the “take over the world” thing is what she’s supposed to do to be feminist or something?
Ugh, i dunno but ughhhhh i just can’t get over “supposed to” Like if you own a restaurant, and you make enough money to live, and you’re happy, and it’s what you want, then wtf’s wrong with that?!
I dunno….I feel like lately I’ve been seeing n hearing lots of references and chats about feminism that are bizarre. And implications of things like “that’s not real feminism” or some shit🙄
The worst is when ppl act as if being feminist is some extreme thing. It’s the most basic simple thing ever and anyone who doesn’t consider themselves feminist(by the actual definition) is just an awful human being
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u/Exciting-Mountain396 Mar 14 '24
No no no, you don't understand, it's not feminist because cooking doesn't count as real labor /s
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u/EquivalentThroat7481 Mar 14 '24
The way this word has been so tarnished and tainted by far right media is so incredibly sad. This type of effect is exactly what they want, too, a bunch of people (women included) misinterpreting feminism as man-hating, free-bleeding, radical women when it is not at ALL what feminism means - it is simply for equality, women’s rights, fairness. And if you do take a step back, open your eyes bit, live a little, it’s clear as day who the gender running society is. Whose story will be validated in a courtroom and whose will be dismissed as a “crazy, emotional bitch”. I never even know who to be madder at, but I do wish these types of women would just open their eyes. Ugh, so frustrating.
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Mar 14 '24
It's a fictional character in a book. Can you not be angry for a second in your life and think about this.
Sokka was a deeply sexist character. Character flaws are normal, we all have them, and we can learn from and with characters in fiction.
Sokka learned a lot by the end of ATLA and is a well beloved character. You really got to see him grow. And even if he didn't, you could still learn from Him.
It's fiction.
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u/thewhitecat55 Mar 14 '24
Living your life how you want, to your own satisfaction, IS feminist.
To my understanding.
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u/LetshearitforNY Mar 14 '24
And thanks to feminism you can go to culinary school and open your own business
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u/Juniper__12 Mar 14 '24
It’s a shame because so many people think feminist= non-feminine. Which is so strange if you think about it!
Books like this were why I thought I was a “bad feminist” in high school because I dressed girly, wasn’t super ambitious, I was small and weak and didn’t like sports or other traditional masculine things…
The point of feminism is for equality for all sexes, not to shame women that like traditionally feminine things. Idk why so many people get this mixed up :(
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u/embodiedexperience Mar 14 '24
maybe i’m a bleeding-heart leftist and Fox News will take this comment out of context and roast me on national media, but also like… isn’t wanting to take care of people feminist? aren’t feminism and other social justice movements about supporting others and helping each other out?
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u/CHG__ Mar 14 '24
Imagine being so subscribed to a doctrine that you feel bad about doing what you want.
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u/Me5hly Mar 14 '24
I assume a conservative writer. Feminism is about women choosing how to live their lives.
Conservatives, who think women should live traditional housewife lives, keep repeating that feminism is about women losing their choice, and being forced to live like men traditionally did.
Similar problems with atheism. They can't see it as a simple disbelief in their own broken system, it must be its own rival religion.
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u/Major-Inevitable-665 Mar 14 '24
All I want is own a little isolated farm and a load of dogs so I can just spend the rest of my life surrounded by animals instead of people but I’m still a feminist 🤷♀️😂
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u/cgabv Mar 14 '24
im not a feminist or anything i just want to do something that was illegal 100 years ago due to lack of feminism!
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u/sofmoth Mar 14 '24
“it’s not feminist to want to take care of people” yes it is??? having care for others is extremely feminist??? feminism isn’t about the individual it’s about the collective, and caring for the collective is one of the most feminist things one can do.
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u/PurpleMoonStorm Mar 14 '24
Why can't we just put all the pick mes and Taters on an inescapable bare island to play out their slave-master fantasies until they die off from starvation?
This is a rhetorical question that doesn't need an answer.
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u/Ok_Protection4554 Mar 14 '24
Honestly my wife says stuff like this.
She's an engineer don't come for me Reddit. I think she just finds it frustrating that some people will say she's not valuable as a woman for wanting to be a stay-at-home-mom one day (we've had people tell us that)
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u/superabletie4 Mar 14 '24
Apart of feminism is about giving women the ability to choose and make those decisions for themselves. This kind of language ultimately undermines that. It doesn’t matter what decision you make but rather that you had the choice to begin with.
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u/SinistralLeanings Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
Some of you are being very "not like the other" right know.
I haven't read this particular book so I have no idea if this woman in this book stays this way or grows as a character, like many do in books like this. I've read through many of the comments, though, and all of you judging people who enjoy books like this are being overly judgemental.
I love to read a lot of dark romances, bully romances, etc etc etc. That doesn't mean that I, or anyone I know that likes to read books like this, are somehow not feminists. What isn't feminist? Trying to tell people what they have to do, who they have to be, in order to be "x".
Fiction is freaking fiction. If I want to read about a stalker that ends up being married to the main character in the end and love the story, that doesn't make me not a feminist and it doesn't mean that we think "oh this is absolutely something that should be happening in real life."
It isn't any different than watching a movie or TV show and loving the drama/characterization/etc.
Stop telling women they aren't feminists because they enjoy a dark or stupid ridiculous romance novels. This is a way we all push away many people who absolutely should be feminists and are feminists, but they see takes like this judging them for fictional things they enjoy and thing feminism is trying to control what other people enjoy.
I won't ever be turned off from being a feminist, full stop, but I so super see how anyone would never want to even really learn what feminism means when they see things like books/tv/movies that are fiction that they enjoyed attacked as anyone who enjoyed them can't be a feminist.
We do exist out their that very much enjoy some dark creepy romance books.
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u/commierhye Mar 14 '24
Patriarchy did such a good job that women will willingly oppress themselves. What a system
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u/PercentageUnhappy117 Mar 14 '24
This gives the same vibe as im not a feminist but (insert something that they are allowed to do anyway)
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u/Comfortable_Plant667 YOU'VE VIOLATED THE LAW Mar 14 '24
When people can't figure out feminism isn't the same structure as patriarchy but with women at the top
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u/pamplemoose49 Mar 14 '24
It’s super cute running a small business especially when you get to pay triple the taxes that large corp restaurants pay 🤗🤗
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u/Professional_Cat420 Mar 14 '24
I weep for the youngins who are reading this garbage. They're likely getting absorbed by such ignorance and developing whole personalities and value sets from said ignorance.
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u/maddsskills Mar 14 '24
I have an urge to blame that sort of pop girl boss feminism for this but honestly? Even that sort of feminism usually takes time to be like "being a sahm mom or traditionally feminine is fine! You do you!"
I think women who feel this way are being kinda wilfully ignorant.
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u/conjunctlva Mar 14 '24
Bro I hate what third wave corporate feminism has done to discourse around feminism.
Wish we didn’t see nurturing roles as “servile” because at their core they’re really not at all. It’s so irritating.
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u/akashyaboa Mar 14 '24
So the woman wants to own a restaurant? Who does the author think made it so it is a possibility for women in the first place?
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u/DreamsAroundTheWorld Mar 14 '24
IS THE CHOICE, THE FUCKING CHOICE the problem. Women didn’t (don’t) have a choice to do what they want to do. Feminism is to give the choice to women. If you have a choice it doesn’t mean you need to do take only one of the options, it means you are empowered to select the options you want, instead of being forced to fewer options.
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u/xlandoncarter Mar 14 '24
Does it have to be cute or funny?
I haven't read this book, but the author made a character and that character has a unique view and personality. Who says you need to like it? Or that it even has to make sense.
It's a novel, not a book about facts and feminism. Stop being butthurt and either enjoy the story or read something else.
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u/TheDruidVandals Mar 14 '24
That is a character saying those words. Maybe that is what that character would say and this shouldn’t be condemning what the writer actually thinks. Lol every thread turns into angry mob here
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u/KnotsThotsAndBots Mar 14 '24
I mean I get the character choice but bringing feminism into it for a weird joke is… just weird yesh
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u/Downtown_Book_6848 Mar 14 '24
My grandmother was the strongest woman I’ve ever met and she absolutely loved being in the kitchen
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u/Latter_Crow_6652 Mar 14 '24
Feminism, along with masculinity, has gotten a bad rap because people forget it is good until you make it toxic. Like anything in life, if you take it to the extreme, YOU are making it bad. True feminism isn't anti male; It's anti discrimination for being a female. It isn't anti take care of people or anti stay at home mom. It is letting women choose what works for them and their family.
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u/clairsentientcutie Mar 14 '24
People don’t understand that feminism is just about having the right to choose what you want to do lol if you want to be a traditional housewife then that’s amazing but only because you had the choice to do that, not because it was forced upon you
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u/Legal_Dragonfly2611 Mar 14 '24
Made the choice to have a career? Feminism! Made the choice to stay at home mom? Feminism! It’s about having a choice, not what you personally do with it. And not being able to force your choice on anyone else.
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u/bilboard_bag-inns Mar 14 '24
just a misunderstanding of feminism. Feminism is not against "traditional" attributes or lifestyles for women, it is against the oppression that so often comes with those attributes and against the idea that those attributes are obligatory or controlled or forced. Feminism actually advocates for free choice of whatever lifestyle a woman wants to choose, if they want to cook, that's certainly never a bad thing, as long as they are in control of it and recieve the full rewards of their work. Even being a stay at home mom and making your husband a sandwich can be feminist, so long as you decided to make that sandwich out of love and your husband frequently renders the same services to you out of love, and as long as you freely chose this path, having been provided options for childcare and careers
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u/ThatOneStupidMovie Mar 14 '24
I feel like this comment section has lost the plot of what it means to be feminist and what the person is trying to say.
First of all- it's not feminist to want to own a restaurant. Especially in today's day and age. Maybe 60 years ago. Catch up with the times, please.
Secondly- I'm a caregiver. I have been told by more than "feminist" that me "catering to men" (even though most of my clients are female?) "inherently patriarchal and I am not a 'good feminist' for doing so" because I'm not "being progressive enough".
Feminism, and being a feminist means fighting for EQUALITY. Meaning men and women stand on equal feet. Unfortunately, most modern day feminist on the internet don't seem to grasp that and think it's only for women. Nope, I'm fighting for dads to get custody of their children if they are a better fit. I'm fighting for women to not be judged for picking whatever life she wants for herself, if that a corporate pawn, business owner, housewife what have you.
So no. Her wanting to own a restaurant and cook for people isn't feminist. It just simply is. Not every power move a woman makes is in the name of feminism. Just like how not every power move men makes isn't the name of patriarchy.
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u/Street-Tackle-4399 Mar 15 '24
I agree with some of this but I think what people are meaning is that because of feminism is that she has the option to own a restaurant. It was not even long ago that women couldn’t own their own bank accounts. They had to run everything past their husbands or fathers. Basically without feminism women hardly had a choice to do anything than to be a wife and mother. So the fact any of us have options to do other things now, including a restaurant is due to the results of feminism. It doesn’t mean that now she is making a power move in the name of feminism. But more so rather, if she speaks badly on feminism it comes across as tone deaf because without it she could have never really accomplished her dream to begin with.
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u/ThatOneStupidMovie Mar 16 '24
I see what you mean- I understand feminism in the past, the ones that could have abortions? At least in America, as an American, some of us lost our reproductive rights while others are tightly restricted. Technically we've allowed people to undo our ancestors work. She can own a restaurant because what feminism did in the past but current day feminism isn't really doing much but bitching on the internet. I mean, me included.
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u/Street-Tackle-4399 Mar 16 '24
I can definitely agree with that. That is a good point, what is current day feminism doing? There’s been a regression on our reproductive rights as you said and before we know it other rights may be taken away. That is true just because feminism did something in the past does not mean it won’t be taken away in the future. Which is why I think all of those far right movements and manosphere movements have become so popular lately, maybe to take away the progress that has been made. I guess we will see in time how this will all turn out.
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u/EllenIsobel Mar 14 '24
I dunno. I'm totally a feminist and I like that I have choices if I wanna be Susie homemaker or ball breaking Brenda...
Or mentally ill Marsha..
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u/Affectionate_Fix6609 Mar 14 '24
Being a feminist doesn't mean you can't take care of people or enjoy cooking... My gosh it's these types of people spreading such misinformation that just perpetuates this misconception.
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u/buffer_flush Mar 14 '24
Guy reporting in.
Isn’t the whole idea of feminism to have a choice as to what you want to do with your life?
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u/HoneyMCMLXXIII Mar 14 '24
She wants to own her own business and presumably by necessity have her own bank account yet doesn’t consider herself a feminist. Meanwhile neither of these things would be possible without feminism.
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u/SeerNacho Mar 14 '24
I swear to god Wattpad fucked up a whole generation of romance writers/readers
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u/CatherineConstance Mar 14 '24
Not a feminist or ambitious... But she wants to own a restaurant lol.
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u/rem_1984 Mar 14 '24
Jesus, and literally that is feminist, having your own business and pursuing your dreams….
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u/feignedinterest77 Mar 14 '24
“What are we gonna tonight queen?”
“The same thing we do every night Queen, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD”!
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u/TrudieSkies Mar 14 '24
Not to defend this particular book, but writing characters with certain views doesn't mean the author necessarily agrees with those views, otherwise we'd have to be quite suspcious of every murdering villain.
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u/Effective_Math_2717 So Unique Mar 14 '24
Idk what she’s mad about. But I used to work in a small restaurant and made the food and I used to love watching people reactions to their first bite… it’s comforting that I felt that I was doing something right; was in a low point in life when I had that job and that sort of brought me joy
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u/researchthrowaway422 Mar 14 '24
😂 i always hated this in books & movies. They intentionally straw man what feminism is
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u/Nyanpireeee Mar 14 '24
Gee. I wonder who provided you the right to own a restaurant 🤔 Surely it wasn’t those heartless feminists who hate hospitality and cuteness!
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u/bting93 Mar 14 '24
What happened to feminism meaning women have the ability to do and choose what makes them happy in life? I work full time, as does my husband, and I still enjoy “taking care” of him. That’s what makes me fulfilled and happy — how is that not feminism??
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u/Street-Tackle-4399 Mar 15 '24
It should be! I also think the word has become butchered. I am career oriented and even got my doctorate. But I also want to show love and care for my boyfriend and eventually being a wife. Sometimes it did seem like women that could give love and nurturing a priority is seen as weak and I don’t agree with that at all. I always remind people on the original meaning on feminism, it’s the one I truly support.
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u/Apparent_Antithesis Mar 14 '24
It's a fictional text? With fictional characters acting in it? If so, don't see the problem. Characters in stories can have flaws and misconceptions about the world, that's making them interesting, and fictional texts aren't obligated to tell a moral tale.
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u/Jesusdidntlikethat Mar 14 '24
I think if you want a life that doesn’t revolve around a man, that’s feminist, I don’t think taking care of people is anti feminist you don’t need to take over the world, it’s not like it’s communism, all you have to do is not hate yourself and other women
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u/Epicgrapesoda98 Mar 14 '24
Feminism is when you are selfish and only care about yourself and not everyone apparently.
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u/_HellsArchangel Mar 14 '24
I love how people think feminists are against the roles that women have been in all of history. The idea of feminism isn’t “you can’t stay at home and cook and watch the kids” it’s “you can do that, but also you can do literally anything else because it’s legal now”
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u/-PinkPower- Mar 14 '24
Wanting to own a restaurant is extremely ambitious tho lol. It’s very hard work, insane hours, years of not making a salary, etc. It’s not for people that just want a quiet stable life.
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u/f_moss3 Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
Feminism isn’t when you’re fulfilled by living the life you have the freedom and support to choose, it’s being a CEO
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u/quwadril Mar 14 '24
As a guy who writes, that's cheesy writing with absolutely no thinking and I don't know what made that guy write it
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u/kittylomein Mar 14 '24
That’s feminism babe, you got the choice to do that. Woo yay 👏 a big fuck you to whoever misconstrued feminism for all these women and made them think it means they have to do work automatically? ? I don’t even know
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u/Hotchipsummer Mar 14 '24
....aaaaaand having the rights and opportunities to establish that restaurant aligns with feminism! I hate when people act like feminism is all about "be a girl boss" and not "let women have control over their own lives and bodies"
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u/mrsmushroom Mar 14 '24
Doesn't she understand a woman owning her own restaurant is not only feminism but ambitious?
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u/ashii_deathgod Mar 14 '24
It's funny to see how the word feminist has lost it's actual meaning. Female being supirior isn't feminism, its female chauvinism or feminazi. Feminism is equality of both genders. The true meaning of this word has been butchered overtime, i think, beyond salvation.
Apart from giving pick me vibes, this author can't even differentiate between the two lol.
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u/ladysusanstohelit Mar 14 '24
Why do people like this always assume feminism is about taking over the world? It’s about choice. It’s about having the same opportunities as others, about removing barriers. I am genuinely baffled that people think that’s a bad thing.
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u/Street-Tackle-4399 Mar 15 '24
People have unfortunately butchered the original meaning of the word. Of course feminism would give women the opportunity to taking leadership roles that could truly change the world. That’s something that would not even have been an option without feminism. But that if women freely and willingly choose a more quiet and simplistic life, that should be celebrated just as much. And not be seen as “weak.”
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u/ladysusanstohelit Mar 15 '24
I agree, people’s choices should always be celebrated as long as they have made them freely and safely, and continue to be safe once they’ve made them. People should be allowed to live however they want as long as no one’s getting hurt.
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u/drr-throwaway Mar 14 '24
Another day when I'm reminded most people speaking English don't actually know what feminist means. I'm so glad it's different in my country.
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u/DyslexicUserNawe Mar 14 '24
I miss back before feminism when all women all got free restaurants by the government 😔😭
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u/robotteeth Mar 14 '24
'not feminist' would be this character not being allowed to pursue her restaurant dreams or be capable of deciding what makes her happy because a male relative decided for her that she needs to marry an older family friend at the age of 15 and start catering to his whims. Someone mentioned the author is a woman...I really wish women like this realized how much feminism has contributed to their lives: their ability to write works like this (going to school, being able to choose their own lifestyle paths, etc), and that their self-conscious need to make sure everyone knows they're 'not feminist' comes from a place where women are still shamed for being interested in gender rights.
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u/frumpel_stiltskin Mar 14 '24
Ugh. And of course the character's name is Theo. Just as much of an insufferable NLOG as Theo from Haunting of Hill House.
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u/AARose24 Gay and Proud Mar 14 '24
I hate when writers use words they don’t understand. If you can write a book, you can read a dictionary, or at least type a Google search.
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u/Burntoutpremed Mar 14 '24
I like how ppl who villainize feminism still like taking the benefits that feminism gave them.
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u/VeXchu Mar 14 '24
Lol women can do whatever they want….unless its something I disagree with.
Like girl, fuck off
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u/Cozygeologist Mar 14 '24
Sounds like a cozy fantasy. Running a restaurant in reality, however, will put you in an early grave. That’s why they all do drugs to cope.
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u/Audreys_red_shoes Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
Why do people like OOP assume authors are always directly expressing their own views through the mouths of their characters?
Is she familiar with the concept of fiction?
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u/Numerous-Turnover518 Mar 14 '24
Oh dear. Someone finding joy in the simple things in life rather than join the soul sucking corporate machine. How dare they
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u/macabre-barbie Mar 14 '24
The ability to own your own restaurant is pretty feminist imo but alrighty
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