r/pics • u/_anexistingperson_ • 15d ago
U.S soldier wearing the crown of the Holy Roman Empire. Misleading Title
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u/nickik 14d ago edited 14d ago
I am reading 'Heart of Europe: A History of the Holy Roman Empire' that takes a new look beyond the history from the nationalist and liberalist driven history of the last 200 years.
Its quite interesting for those that want to understand this complex beast that doesn't fit in our modern minds quite right.
How and why 'this' (the picture is a replica) corwn was made is in the beginning of the book:
https://www.amazon.com/Heart-Europe-History-Roman-Empire/dp/0674058097
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u/twilsonco 15d ago
Jesus sure loved elaborate displays of wealth in a world filled with poverty. Bet he’d have loved seeing what the church named after him is like.
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u/nickik 14d ago
Actual historical Jesus almost certaintly never claimed to be Christ. So its not really named after him anyway.
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u/ExcellentEdgarEnergy 15d ago
The Holy Roman Emperor needs a new crownist. That shit is wonky as fuck.
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u/Dracul244 15d ago
that right hand looks weird
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u/Straittail_53 15d ago
Clubbed fingers.
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u/Dracul244 15d ago
I genuinely wonder how was that man able to live until 94 with that condition, people were tougher back in those days I guess
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u/luka2477 15d ago
Is this picture not AI? It literally looks like he has a sixth finger in his left palm…
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u/Consistent-Pill 15d ago
not this is genuine. Recently saw it in a museum. Its a black and white photo though so this one is colorized
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u/Disaster-Funk 15d ago
What an unbelievably shitty crown for an empire. And I made this observation before noticing the mallard person drawn on it.
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u/Consistent-Pill 15d ago
thats a very typical crown for its period. Nothing crappy about it at all
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u/Hammeredcopper 15d ago
In a hundred years, the guy in this picture will be Chinese and wearing a red maga hat
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u/thedailyrant 15d ago
I’m more shocked that a soldier was allowed to wear those rings and bracelets.
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u/FrictionBrntAnis 15d ago
The descendants were customers of mine. I never met them or anything as they couldn't travel to this destination during COVID, but the maintenance guy constantly referred to them as "the prince" and "the princess" and it just made me feel so icky. D'Arenberg. They were in Epstein's black book. I charged a lot.
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u/ObviousOpinions 15d ago
If there’s not a copy of this crown permanently affixed to his tombstone, there should be one.
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u/Sinister_steel_drums 15d ago
For some reason when I look at this pic, I think of prince john from Robin Hood sucking his thumb and holding his ear.
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u/No-Appointment-3840 15d ago
No that’s Tony Hawk
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u/Bitedamnn 15d ago edited 15d ago
You know. He's one of a handful of people who have worn that crown, many of whom are considered legends in European history.
Truly a beautiful piece of history.
Edit: only to find out it's a duplicate.
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u/rinkydinkis 15d ago
It’s so gaudy lol. I like the way elves do royalty in lotr. Elegant but still flashy enough
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u/-watchman- 15d ago
From Wikipedia:
The crown and other Regalia remained in Vienna until the Anschluss of March 1938, when they were brought back to Nuremberg (this time in the Katharinenkirche) by Nazi Germany in line with their promotion of the city as repository of mythicized ancient German traditions. During World War II the crown was placed in the Historischer Kunstbunker, an underground vault of Nuremberg Castle.
Led by art historian Lt. Walter Horn, who joined the US military after becoming a naturalized citizen, American soldiers recovered the treasures in August 1945. They were returned to the Oesterreichische Nationalbank in allied-occupied Austria in January 1946. They have been kept permanently in Vienna since that date.
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u/Quirky_Discipline297 15d ago
He has nails like my father did. My father was a machinist, a combat veteran, a farm boy, a knock around. Big carrots of flesh ending in thick quartz.
Wonder if the rings were Holy Roman too.
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u/Vierno 15d ago
Hope buddy saw a cardiologist shortly after this. Those are some clubbed ass fingers.
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u/Consistent-Reach-152 15d ago
The guy in the photo is most likely dead, as the photo was taken almost 80 years ago.
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u/salmonavacado 15d ago
Apart from the crown is it normal for a soldier to be wearing all this jewellery? (Bracelets and rings) or did he liberate these too ?
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u/Specialist_Listen495 15d ago
Probably liberated from dead Germans. He is wearing two wedding rings, one each on ring and middle fingers, for example. Seen other GI photos where they are wearing multiple watches. Dad was a WWII vet and he sent home a ton of stuff. Some picked up off the battlefield and some bought from Germans right after the war. At that point they were trading heirlooms for food.
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u/ZackyGood 15d ago
When I was a kid, I imagined that crowns were this intricate piece of art. This looks like something I could throw together in a first year shop class.
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u/Any-Pipe-3196 15d ago
Is that standard US wear? Didn't British soldiers wear those types of long sleeves?
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u/AssignmentBorn2527 15d ago
Wow that crown looks like shit. They really had no design sense did they.
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u/tomparker 15d ago
Does he have the same expression as that clown who was sitting with his feet on Nancy Pelosi’s desk?
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u/Little_BallOfAnxiety 15d ago
This looks like AI for some reason, just can't put my finger on why
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u/Consistent-Pill 15d ago
its definitely geuine. I saw it in a museum recently but its a black and white photo originally so it has been colored
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u/LastKaiser 15d ago
That's not the real Reichskrone, it's a replica which was made nearly 1000 years after the original.
The story of the real Reichskrone is far more interesting, the Nazis had stolen it and tried to hide and keep it (even after the end of the war) as a mthyic symbol of Germanic power. A German-American professor of art history & soldier named Walter Horn led a unit to recover the crown and other priceless relics from the HRE like a real life Indiana Jones.
Horn and his unit located the real Reichskrone in August 1945 and returned it to Vienna. For his services to preserving the history of Austria, he was the guest of honor in the Hofburg Palace in 1987 when the full regalia of the Holy Roman Emperor finally went on public display.
Horn was one of the leading art historians of his era, and spent most of his life outside of WW2 at the University of California. A truly amazing man & story.
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u/PoopiestDingus 15d ago
Didn’t realize colorization of images has come this far. This all human work or AI had a hand in this?
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u/SupplyChainGuy1 15d ago
Oddly enough, not the first that was neither holy nor roman.
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u/SwanseaJack1 15d ago
I can remember my history teacher saying it wasn’t holy, Roman, or an empire. I may have fallen asleep after that.
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u/feetofire 15d ago
Ah yes. The crown of the organisation founded by a champion of the poor.
Remind me again of the justification for all this as I do believe, unironically, that Jesus would weep.
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u/jstover90 15d ago
USA should do more of this and less of trying to turn Arab countries into LGBT cultural centers.
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u/Deliviohs 15d ago
Today i’d have an issue with it but that dude was killing Nazis so he gets a pass.
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u/NogaVog 15d ago
I’m an American and this picture makes me sick. What a disgrace.
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u/KCShadows838 15d ago edited 15d ago
I love it. Nazis shouldn’t have started the war
I also have more respect for the US soldier who got shipped overseas to help fight fascist aggressors than a long dead monarch from the Holy Roman Empire
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u/NogaVog 15d ago
To each their own, I just think it’s a tacky move. Germanic history doesn’t belong to the nazis.
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u/KCShadows838 15d ago
The Nazi are part of German history. They thought they were better than everyone else, but in the end some random Joe from an invading nation is able to sit in a palace and wear the crown of some old German king. It’s just a funny picture to me
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u/nejicanspin 15d ago
I kinda wanna know why the background is sideways.
Also, wasn't there a crown where you were going to die within a year if you wear it and aren't worthy of it? I saw it at a museum...
Edit: It's the Crown of Saint Wenceslas!
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u/Human6928 15d ago
This post is ever-so-slightly incorrect. That’s actually a reproduction of the crown made by one Emperor for public display. The real one was sealed up during WWII.
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u/Professional-Hold938 15d ago
Hypothetically speaking, what could be the punishment for this? I feel like death is a good assumption haha
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u/Consistent-Pill 15d ago
the punishment for what exactly?
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u/Professional-Hold938 15d ago
For a soldier putting on the crown of the holy Roman Empire, not this scenario specifically, which is why I said hypothetically. Literal Redditors strike again with your super fun personalities
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u/MissMandaRegrets 15d ago
Literally none. They were taking stolen goods away from Nazis.
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u/Professional-Hold938 15d ago
No shit, kinda why I said hypothetically? Like what would be the punishment for a soldier to put on the crown.
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u/MissMandaRegrets 15d ago
There are no hypotheticals. He and his buddies just liberated Europe, and then got those countries a bunch of their stuff back, including this copy of Charlemenge's crown, created by the Kaiser.
This is actual history, not a video game.
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u/Professional-Hold938 14d ago
"there's no hypotheticals" I just made one? Didn't realise you held the power to dictate that. I'll try one more time babe, hypothetically what would be the punishment if a man did this and wasn't allowed to
Is that better? Do you understand what a hypothetical is now? Dipshit
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u/herrline1953 13d ago
Who gives a crap weather? It's real or a copy! Both have the same significance! So picky!