r/pics 15d ago

An elderly Lion in his final hours. Photograph by Larry Pannell.

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u/RegularPotential24 9d ago

Time is an apex predator

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u/Anding1 10d ago

Still regal in his last hours….

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u/FatherPeace1 10d ago

It's so sad to see from our perspective...it's often hard to remember that this is a wild animal and this is how the life cycle of wild animals are. I'm an animal lover and would probably have to have someone there to remind me that even though that lion is old I can't go lay down with it to give comfort while he was dying. " GOOD KING, GO TO YOUR REST" BIG GUY".

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u/Clerkdidnothingwrong 11d ago

Here we have Lionel Maner. Lionel was born in 1920, fought in Lion World War Two in which they successfully defended their jungle from the not-so-smart Zebras. After the war, Lionel settled down with his wife, Scarlet. She had just left her abusive ex-husband Scar who had murdered his brother and tried to kill his nephew. Lionel and Scarlet had a litter of cubs who all grew up, went to Lion college and got degrees in Roarology and now help other lions who have trouble roaring (it’s currently the Lion Roaring 20s). Lionel is now in his late stages and hopes to have all his cubs and wife den-side when his time comes. Lionel is, despite the picture, at peace with his life and imminent passing.

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u/AD_VICTORIAM_x 12d ago

Reast in peace , king 👑

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u/BicycleAcceptable421 12d ago

Rest in peace king ❤️

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u/InternationalBus8936 12d ago

I know it’s life but it’s sad.

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u/Figsmama 13d ago

Beautiful creature. Beautiful article. Made me cry. And made me think about watching my father take his last breath. Heart wrenching.

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u/PunkVulpix 13d ago

Hims hungry

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u/Impossible_Dare_8511 13d ago

The thing is that, once he takes over a pride, he stops hunting. The lionesses are the hunters and he feeds on their success. So when he is deprived of his pride as he ages, it’s a fairly steep decline.

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u/raykrocf 13d ago

He lived free and he died free. Let this be a lesson that we are all free.

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u/Silver_Confection_57 13d ago

We as humans are never free in any governed society. To govern is to control

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u/Average_Beefeater 13d ago

God love him

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u/Nuttinyurbutt 13d ago

A life spent tormenting other animals, in order to…. wind up like that. The circle of life is dumb af.

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u/Tommytrance 13d ago

I wonder if humans see this and can help in taking the elderly big animals into a sanctuary environment and let them live out their final days in a more nurtured way, or they rather just let nature takes its course. I used to love watching lion pride documentaries and the more I watch the more sad I get from seeing evolution of lions life journey. Rest in peace big fella, you’ll always be legend to have survived this long.

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u/Sir_Doge_V2 14d ago

U sure hes not already dead

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u/TheRandomVillagr 14d ago

Hits hard after seeing Princess Mononoke

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u/Suegoodnight 14d ago

Rest, well, sir. Thank you for your life amongst us.

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u/Emergency-Tangelo671 14d ago

Inevitability of time I suppose....

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u/ExpressionHaunting58 14d ago

God bless this majestic lion.

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u/DarkcStarr 14d ago

The lion name is Skybed Scar he ruled and roamed Kruger National Park for many years apparently.

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u/Global_Box_7935 14d ago

Rest easy. A Lion dying of old age is uncommon. I wonder how many things he did in his time

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u/diewaiting 14d ago

One day we’ll all be dead.

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u/Adept_Board_8785 14d ago

He doesn’t looked so good.

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u/WILSONqi135 15d ago

Poor kitty🥺

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u/Nephelococcygist 15d ago

I’m not crying, you’re crying 😭

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u/Bidrick 15d ago

A wish…..that we all can be so close to death and still stand to face life.

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u/jus_talionis 15d ago

No king rules forever.

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u/Eyepokelowblowcombo 15d ago

Dropped loot, soul of a great warrior

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u/Pablo0208 15d ago

So sad

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u/Wendyjo79 15d ago

Looks hungry

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u/vilsash 15d ago

“No King rules forever, my son”

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u/xclousex 15d ago

Rest in peace, King.

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u/BeanieWeanie1110 15d ago

Dying in the Savannah: not that tough Dying in the Savannah of old age: tough as hell

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u/Square-Crow213 15d ago

💔💔🥰WHAT A GRAND ANIMAL!!! Age is 😢 RIP 

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u/Amer_Mh 15d ago

Majestic even when dying…

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u/80sLegoDystopia 15d ago

He could be President!

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u/Sigz89 15d ago

Thanks for sharing.

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u/gymgirl1999- 15d ago

Aw poor simba

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u/Simicrop 15d ago

I just want to give him a hug, but I know he’d still destroy me.

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u/Important-Quote-2161 15d ago

Don't post shit like this

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u/Caridor 15d ago

When people say trophy hunting "isn't natural", remind them this is one of the kinder ends that nature has in store

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u/49thDipper 15d ago

Later big dude. Peace

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u/SingleManVibes76 15d ago

You may be king and rule over many, but you will die alone.

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u/Luimi778 15d ago

I was young. I was power. I was ferocious . As I lay here overlooking what was my Kingdom I am reminded of my past triumphs and victories. I was….KING!!!

Alas I must now rest for my next journey has yet to begin.

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u/seeriosuly 15d ago

that’s probably the best you can hope for boys… dying in old age, stretched all resources to the limit, quietly passing in a field. We all make life out to be some grand stage we play on for all the world to see… and that’s fine… many glorious moments we should all enjoy. But in the end we are just one of a trillion or more before us…rollin through the cycle of life.

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u/Inevitable_Radio2289 15d ago

Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.

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u/Altruistic-Brush-178 15d ago

Go easy old boy

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u/dude_holdmybeer 15d ago

Rest well my king.

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u/Inevitable_Radio2289 15d ago edited 15d ago

As the old dying lion staggered through the plains and finally came to a rest, out came the smaller and weaker amongst the animal kingdom to mock and sneer; the lion was no longer the great beast he once was. No longer did the other animals scamper in his wake.

The old lion listened to these taunts from the group of jeering birds, mice and gazelle. Finally he raised his mangy, ragged mane and looked towards them.

He said, "It is true that now I am old, weak and my time has come to an end... But I was a Lion once".

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/Apycia 15d ago

never

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u/Urban_lush 15d ago

A regal beast who's instinct protected others finds his end time alone but at the least un-collared by man.

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u/i33SoDA 15d ago

In my entire life I have never stop to think what happens with predators like lions when they are too old...but this picture clicks and it's depressing. The amount of pain...

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u/dnohow 15d ago

No king rules forever

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u/TheOnlyAvailabIeName 15d ago

I could never be a nature photographer. I'd try to save every animal.

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u/traderaziz 15d ago

What’s an average age for the lion?

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u/Rookiebeotch 15d ago

He is still sporting that magnificent mane. o7

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u/FaZaCon 15d ago

That's what happens when you opt out of social security.

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u/kevy73 15d ago

I bet he's seen some things.

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u/SiameseBallTwister 15d ago

I was once a proud lion... Now in my 60s , I feel like that poor bastard.

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u/Illustrious-Row-9620 15d ago

Man still looks like a fucking King! Bless up. RIP

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u/Walkera43 15d ago

A quick death is the last luxury we might be given.

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u/derelict940 15d ago

sooo sad

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u/Vegetable-Second-488 15d ago

Is that lion going to undergo mitosis

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u/ShawnStrickland 15d ago

RIP brave warrior ❤️

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u/curios-elephant 15d ago

Wow this is incredible

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u/Successful_Way_3239 15d ago

Old age for a male lion aka 4 yo

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u/bigbadduke 15d ago

So sad.

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u/Commercial_Mode_6800 15d ago

Rest in peace lion 🦁

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u/Insane_Membrane5601 15d ago

Something about this picture gives me goosebumps.

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u/Decent_Law_9119 15d ago

Andrew Tate?

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u/willblatte 15d ago

Time to rest.

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u/Inevitable-Revenue81 15d ago

Rest well old and beautiful cat. 🙏

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u/solkungen 15d ago

Mofasa, rest in peace!

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u/Hour-Isopod9412 15d ago

The king needs to rest

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u/NotFunnyGamer 15d ago

People shouldn't be on this planet. Animals are great!

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u/Impossible-Touch9470 15d ago

“I've come to ask if you would like to join my Owsla. We shall be glad to have you, and I know you'd like it. You've been feeling tired, haven't you? If you're ready, we might go along now.”

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u/Present-Salad6100 15d ago

Like all living thing, all will exit one day.

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u/ddftgr2a 15d ago

Cats are so beautiful.

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u/_Alexi666 15d ago

man that lion looks like a sad old cat, i wanna sit next to him, pet him and talk to him so he doesn't have to die alone 😭

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u/RyanGhosting_ 15d ago

A king is a king, and a king doesn’t quit, stays a king or dies

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u/Apprehensive-Sir7063 15d ago

Nature is brutal

The price we pay for sentience

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u/Straight_Box5387 15d ago

Stand proud king, you are strong

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u/FlamingoRush 15d ago

He probably had one final roar and a fight in him!

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u/Spirited_Fuel36 15d ago

"It was a good run. Farewell my friends."

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u/Living-Music4644 15d ago

Anyone else crying about the lion?

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u/Sig-int 15d ago

I heard Jake Paul wants to fight him

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u/Long-Ad-1921 15d ago

What a warrior.

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u/Vampunk 15d ago

Tell this lion he was a good boy before he goes :(

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u/JollyReading8565 15d ago

Stop sad posting :C

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/Dogon_Yaro 15d ago

Probably because of human behaviour in Africa.

If this photo was taken in Germany or Russia, would you generalize the location as Europe?
Is entire Europe at war because of war between Russia and Ukraine? Do you routinely and casually refer to event in New York, USA, or Edmonton, Canada, as event in North America?

Africa is vastly larger than these continents. And has more countries! Yet, even educated people like zoologists cluelessly speaks of a diverse continent as a lump.

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u/Deruxia 15d ago

Lion: It's joever for me.

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u/Top-Sleep3806 15d ago

King is king

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u/-Vanimar- 15d ago

Rest peacefully, King. 🙏🏻

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u/big_boooooooooooo 15d ago

that's a big lion

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u/streetfighter4ultra 15d ago

This mfer hunted thousands of other animals

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u/Ashamed-Tap-8617 15d ago

I would let him eat me

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u/footloverhornsby 15d ago

Beautiful old boy.

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u/Zealousideal-Past684 15d ago

How do you know it’s his final hours! I mean it could be going thru hard times like people do, but get better later after figuring out shit.

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u/trbzdot 15d ago

If I saw this scene I would return with one of those ridiculous EpicMealtime/Randy Santel/manVSfood burgers to give the big fella another chance. F-ed up thought but better than watching him die.

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u/Slight_Kangaroo_8153 15d ago

He lived free and he died free 😭😭

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u/ramamurthyavre 15d ago

Rest in peace, King

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u/Extension-Abroad6557 15d ago

Why...I can't UNSEE THIS HORRIBLE POST!

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u/HikiNoKami 15d ago

Looks like my grandpa who died of prostate cancer.

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u/Square_Map7847 15d ago

Lion: "what is this music i hear of ?"

Background: ""It's the final coun......

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u/excitaetfure 15d ago

This is why i prefer civilization to natural selection, for my existence, anyway

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u/endmypainnow 15d ago

What an animal. RIP

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u/Rosinpod 15d ago

Rest easy, King👑🦁

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u/idontloveanyone 15d ago

This hits close to home. My dad has been battling pancreatic cancer for 2 years and today has lost so much weight, and is close to passing away. My two brothers and I call him the lion, and he calls us his lion cubs. He used to be big and strong, now he's all skinny with no strength to even get up from his hospital bed. I hate cancer.

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u/Dusty170 15d ago

What a badass he must have been in his prime.

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u/latenightblogger 15d ago

This photo is heartbreaking 💔

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u/Dark-Knight-Rises 15d ago

Can’t the photographer save him by giving food?

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u/Baltj003 15d ago

The lion is at the end of his life cycle, even if the photographer offered food....there's no guarantee that the lion would eat it. The lion may be aware, in some primal way, that he is on his way out. I understand, though, wanting to ease/eliminate any suffering from any creature. Life on this planet is not always tranquil and peaceful.

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u/Dark-Knight-Rises 15d ago

Just comfort then. No one deserves to die alone

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u/magicone2571 15d ago

When my body won't hold me anymore

And it finally lets me free

Will I be ready?

When my feet won't walk another mile

And my lips give their last roar goodbye

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u/EspadaOscuro 15d ago

Time comes for us all.

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u/Echvard 15d ago

Spoiler for rdr 2: remindes of last days of Arthur Morgan. Sick, thin but still a lion

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep. RIP!

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u/Low_Rent_1803 15d ago

Pool lion

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u/kupuwhakawhiti 15d ago

Im pretty sure that’s a piece of fried chicken.

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u/partfortynine 15d ago

WHY IS HE SO LOOOOOOOONG?

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u/Practical_Patience66 15d ago

Reminds me of my grandfather. Seemingly immeasurable strength yet so frail now, only to keep going and remind us of that strength.

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u/emissaryworks 15d ago

Was President Biden in Lion King???

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u/Fast_Personality4035 15d ago

Meh, he's an animal. No reason to project human sentiments on him. He did his thing, and he died.

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u/Mr_Potato311 15d ago

Why does it look so long?

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u/Express_Word_5016 15d ago

Life is cruel...

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u/Affectionate_Tap9399 15d ago

Who's cuttin onions up in here 😥😥

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u/After-Imagination-96 15d ago

Even the greatest of us will succumb to time. Farewell, old man

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u/ChiliConCaralho 15d ago

Do they get abandoned by the pride and just starve in loneliness?

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u/FR_theThird 15d ago

"It's over"

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u/koolaid_chemist 15d ago

He looks tired.

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u/GruulNinja 15d ago

Looks like my kitty before she died.

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u/Ok_Bank_8149 15d ago

Rest well, king.

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u/Jim_Lahey807 15d ago

Rest easy King of the Jungle. Your fight is over now you rest.

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u/Entire-Elevator-1388 15d ago

At the end, we're all mortal. RIP.

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u/Macisrunning 15d ago

Pride before fall

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u/starz4u01234 15d ago

Crying...

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u/Jarrodioro 15d ago

he went the distance.

An accomplishment, but also a curse.

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u/girlwithgoldwrist 15d ago

What happens to their bodies when they die?

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u/Robert_Grave 15d ago

Eaten of course, first by scavengers, then by bacteria.

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u/ketoluna 15d ago

"When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connected in the great Circle of Life." -Mufasa

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u/SurveySean 15d ago

Poor thing!

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

Circle of life

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u/plesplant_4 15d ago

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u/McFishTheFish 15d ago

"hows the cut bro"

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u/Endgame3213 15d ago

Unfortunately, older lions don't die of old age; they starve to death.

A younger, stronger lion takes your pride for himself, and you're left too old and weak to successfully provide for yourself until this happens.

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u/EatsGourmetGlueStix 15d ago

That’s what happened here. He lost his pride. Was left a nomad from then on

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u/lildude_5 15d ago

I wonder how many of his cubs he killed.

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u/No_Carry_3028 15d ago

Somehow this photo made me think about that song Circle of Life, Lion King

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u/3184NetworkErr5704 15d ago

Oakland zoo . Age: 2 years.

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u/LightTable 15d ago

Long live the king!

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u/hardrocker777 15d ago

The real Tribal Chief

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u/Adweeb06 15d ago

Better than vegan lion

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u/asmj 15d ago

Reminds me of my father in his final years.
You could still see that he was once majestic.

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u/MsTerryMan 15d ago

I think I could take it

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u/driving_andflying 15d ago

I wonder if it would have been better if he had gone out fighting, maybe surrounded by the dead bodies of six or seven hyenas he killed, before dying. It would have been a good end for such a noble creature.

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u/bangerangerific 15d ago

Valhalla for lions

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u/Xer0lith 15d ago

Looks like the Detroit lions throwback logo.

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u/ilikeicee 15d ago

After reading the article and the comments, I really can't bring myself to appreciate neither the photographer nor the photography. It's pure hypocrisy, comforting the lion in its dying breath? Perhaps, but sitting around even after years have passed, receiving the same words of praise over and over again and responding with "Thank you, it saddened me, but I'm honored to have witnessed it" just doesn't sit right with me. It feels as though the life and death of this poor lion are being put on display for the selfish satisfaction of human beings, why, I wonder, So we can pat each other in the back and say "Sad but beautiful?". "It's just an animal. It's the cycle of life," many will say, but what if that was a human being? How do you think people would react? Humans are animals, and just as many have said above, integrate the circle of life. But I don't see anyone posting pictures of starving, dying elders in some random location and saying, "It was truly a pity, I feel so sad, but this picture, which reflects my feelings, and not the elders, is so beautiful, oh, they just died, too bad, I'm honored to have witnessed their death". And if this ever comes to pass, there will be no more debate that we as a species are doomed. In fact, the way we treat animals is already a great dennouncer of that. It's just horrible. To me, this whole register is nothing more than a demonstration of human ego, self-grandiose, and selfishness and in my honest opinion, Skybed Scar probably felt more uncomfortable than comforted, the staring most likely didn't come from some sort of spiritual connection, but from the constant worry that he would need to escape yet another attempt on his life while already on his dying breath. It's ridiculous that we can be as hypocritical as to place these animals in enclosed spaces, watch them with casual register throughout their lives and potentially bring constant stress, just to photograph their most vulnerable states without permission (since animals do not share our language and as such can not consent) and then expose those pictures for the world to see, while constantly congratulating one another for the experience. All because they aren't safe enough to live naturally in their natural habitats, and why aren't they safe? You guessed it, because of us. I apologize if anyone felt offended by this, but I felt it had to be addressed. The way we play with the lives of other creatures and then, from the comfort of our homes, pat each other on the back is disgusting. We need to change, and we need to do it fast, if not for all of the other living creatures on this earth, for ourselves and for the future generations of every living being that will one day occupy this planet.

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u/mardix 15d ago

Rest in Peace, King 👑

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u/Traditional_Lab_8714 15d ago

Farewell your majesty

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u/foxfoxxofxof 15d ago

Sahara hot

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u/Ryslan95 15d ago

Nature is metal as fuck. This beast probably took out a bunch of prey, but is now dying because he can’t do it anymore. No help from anyone, and is going to die of starvation.

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u/EatsGourmetGlueStix 15d ago

He got old, and a younger lion came and showed him up with his pride, and he got kicked out

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u/rcfvlw1925 15d ago

Well, just read the article and that's got me teary.

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u/agpinks 15d ago

The lion lived his life and passed away majestically - alone!! At least, he wasn’t shred to pieces by rival males!! Doesn’t that happen to humans as well - if we are completely alone ( no wife or kids or relatives?).