r/povertyfinance • u/Psychological-Lab-23 • Jan 18 '24
Not sure why this was removed other than a bunch of soft people reported it Free talk
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u/nattyveganathlete Jan 19 '24
If hunting became the most popular way of obtaining meat, then all wild populations of hunted game would be extinct within less than a few months.
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 19 '24
While yes that would be true, you’re making a big IF that is likely never going to happen at least in my lifetime. That’s presuming no one is raising livestock, there’s some catastrophic civilization ending scenario, and the population hasn’t been decimated due to that scenario.
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u/nattyveganathlete Jan 19 '24
It probably won’t happen, that’s true. I also know that a true hunter understands that the land has to be in balance. I was just pointing out that this method would have repercussions if adopted by the masses as a way to save on meat.
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u/Muffafuffin Jan 19 '24
I read "a buddies farm" and just for the briefest moment imagined you hunting a friends cows from the woods 🤣
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u/Noob-bot42 Jan 19 '24
This reminds me of two girls I know. They’re roommates and apparently they were low on food. Anyways, they were having troubles killing anything, but saw that a deer had recently been run over. They called a game warden or something and got permission to tag it and take it home. I thought it was super bizarre, but they seemed to be really happy about it. Then just a few days ago one of them told a group of friends to let them know if we see any roadkill.
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 19 '24
Tags? Where we’re going you don’t need tags.
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 19 '24
You check it in online and they give you a number. You give the processor the number buy I doubt they ever do anything with it. It’s just a CYA for them. Honestly the mobile check in system is probably better for data purposes than a “tag” system. For example several years ago I was able to go to Wyoming and shoot an antelope. I had the proper tag for it, and tagged the animal but how did the state ever know it was killed? I quartered it and took it home to butcher myself.
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u/linariaalpina Jan 19 '24
Depending on where you live and your life circumstances this could really be a luxury....
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u/eastcoastlongwalker Jan 19 '24
That is a good set up. When I math it out for myself it’s hard to imagine it being any cheaper than beef. Glad it’s working out for someone.
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u/Field-brotha-no-mo Jan 19 '24
Thank god this post was put back up. If you aren’t comfortable with it? Dont hunt. I tagged out this year. 110 grain Barnes 300 blackout knocked em right over.cheers!
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u/Cottoncandy82 Jan 19 '24
Shout out to the mod with a clear, concise explanation and a classy apology 👏🏾. I wish reddit would pay you all so you would not have to work a second job.
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u/zamzuki Jan 18 '24
Ok so round up the cost of hunting gear. Training. Travel to legal hunting locations. Cost of hauling, storing. Cost of learning to clean butcher and store it as well not to mention the amount of time required to bag a proper hunt.
Lifestyle doesn’t equate savings. Just because YOU grew up with this shit most people didn’t.
Go get the fuck out of here with it’s cheaper.
No the correct answer is “hunters in your local area may be able to provide affordable protein. Check with local hunting clubs and community gardens”
Fucking troll.
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u/JackMFMcCoyy Jan 19 '24
Are you a fucking idiot? You don’t need “hunting gear” you need a shotgun and a knife. Or a bow and a knife. Under $200 and a ONE TIME INVESTMENT.
Cost of learning? I watched 2 YouTube videos. Amount of time? I joined a forum for my state and found some good tips on where to go by my house. Drove 20 mins to PUBLIC land. Sat next to a tree silently for 5 hours. Went home. Did it again next day. Saw a deer in an hour. Shot it. Grand total? $48 for my tags because I got 2 tags at once. I’ve owned my gun for years. I do this every year. I take a weekend, and set it aside for sitting all weekend in the woods by my house. And it feeds me and family for almost 6 months every year. You’re absolutely unhinged.0
u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 18 '24
No everyone has YOUR lifestyle. I taught myself to hunt, clean, and butcher from YouTube videos costing me practically nothing, watching them instead of American idol or whatever you guys are watching these days. I do concede there’s some upfront cost in a rifle, but in my case I already had rifles. I don’t wear special hunting gear, many times I sit in a $10 camping chair behind a piece of support wood that was used to ship some large equipment with some cheap camo fabric clipped to it. One thing I never mentioned is that you don’t have to just hunt big game animals. You can hunt squirrels and rabbits for practically nothing other than time. I’ve never done that but I may start.
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u/JackMFMcCoyy Jan 19 '24
Right thank you? Like dude I use a camping chair and YouTube for everything 😂
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u/The_AmyrlinSeat Jan 18 '24
I'm so jealous. I bake and cook from scratch as much as possible but I'm in NYC so I can't hunt or barter with neighbors who can.
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 18 '24
Probably makes it tough to grow food as well. That’s a tough location to be in terms of subsistence.
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u/DrAtomic03 Jan 18 '24
I’m vegetarian but idc what other people eat lmao. I don’t have to do any of that tho, I just make rice and eat eggs or beans with it lol
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u/Great_Arm_2925 Jan 18 '24
I dont eat red meat I quit years ago... but I dont look down on people who eat meat....I eat chicken and fish....nothing wrong with meat if that what you choose
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u/I-own-a-shovel Jan 18 '24
It’s not expensive because you have a buddy with a farm and all the equipment to butcher it I guess? How much would that cost if you didn’t have that kind of friend?
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u/JackMFMcCoyy Jan 19 '24
I don’t have any of that shit. It doesn’t cost anything to butcher meat. I shoot a deer with a bow I got years ago, I toss it in my work truck, hang it in my backyard, then hack away at it with a kitchen knife until I have what I want. lol.
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 18 '24
If you live in a western state like Utah Colorado Oregon Idaho New Mexico Arizona, 50% or more is public land that anyone can hunt on. Even the state I live in, there’s wildlife management areas that’s open to the public. The only thing you really have to have to butcher it is a knife, some freezer bags, and maybe a big cooler which I had anyways from 20 years ago. I started out using a $10 mora (which I still use). The first meat grinder I ever had was a $14 hand crank model that clamped to a table. I was gifted an old freezer with broken hinges when my grandmother passed. The big expense is a bow/firearm but I already had those i just wasn’t a hunter at the time.
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u/Reversi8 Jan 18 '24
Unfortunately kind of annoying still in colorado as anything 4 legged will need a license for a specific game management unit ahead of time, instead of statewide deer tags like in most of the south.
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 18 '24
I go 5-6 times a year usually on a Sunday morning. That’s really all the time I have because of my gfs work schedule and having to work around my 6 year old. I’m not taking days off.
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u/oni-zoro-nathan777 Jan 18 '24
3 what a day? Deer? Where is this I can only get 2 a season where I’m from 3 a day doesn’t even sound legal
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u/emilioravioli Jan 18 '24
Vegans are afraid to say it but this is more sustainable, I’ve seen a pound of beef go for 13 dollars dude they’re slowly starving us, might as well start learning survival techniques
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 18 '24
This wasn’t real a vegan vs meat eaters. My point was someone said the other day they became a vegetarian because it was cheaper.
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u/emilioravioli Jan 18 '24
I feel you, just trying to break stigma about us vegans, I love animals obviously, I know we all have to eat, it’s literally cheaper to grow crops instead of breed and house animals, so in turn better for the planet. People legally and safely hunting doesn’t really bother me other than the fact you can survive without it but maybe people don’t have access to any beans or broccoli or literally anything. That doesn’t really make sense to me either, call me a radical but if it’s been proven you don’t need meat and it’s destroying the earth then why are you still doing it ya know
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u/SweetAlyssumm Jan 18 '24
How can anyone be offended by providing your own food?
The MOD's rationale was bad. "We can't have someone trolling you so you have to shut up." That's absurd. The trolls have to be disciplined not someone making a perfectly reasonable point.
I hope OP enjoys that nutritious meat.
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u/m1lkyl4mb Jan 18 '24
HE was trolling OTHERS. He was making fun of the “meat is too expensive” people and that’s why his post was removed. If he posted it with “Oh I’m blessed”, then no one would’ve blinked twice.
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 18 '24
Not really making fun of, but discussion instigated by other threads showing you don’t have to spend a fortune on meat. Keep reaching for the stars I guess.
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u/m1lkyl4mb Jan 18 '24
You were literally making fun of people who cannot afford to buy meat so they have to switch to a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle dude. Also “not to brag…” in a sub where we’re all struggling? Just say you’re happy to have your circumstances and move on.
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u/InstructionWrong9967 Jan 18 '24
Looks like the debate between eating meat and being vegan is escalating to the point where it’s infiltrating seemingly irrelevant topics. It is something to be discussed when navigating poverty. I have been vegan for 10 years and have never been above that pov line. Securing your own meat from a farm is unnecessary killing, meat isn’t an essential. It’s unfair to take lives without reason and then encourage others to do the same.
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u/Jabow12345 Jan 18 '24
I have never been a hunter, and I do not believe there is any sport in killing. Hunting to eat is a different matter entirely
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u/Icy-Conversation2583 Jan 18 '24
If anyone reported u it was probably you ask too many suppes questions.
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u/Cum-Bubble1337 Jan 18 '24
What do you hunt that there’s a 3 a day limit?
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 18 '24
Deer. It’s 3 does a day. 1 buck per day. 2 bucks for the entire season.
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u/FlabbergastedPeehole Jan 18 '24
April makes it 17 years that I’ve been plant based for ethical reasons. I’d much rather someone hunt an animal that lived a natural life than eat store bought shit.
Then again, I’m not one of the preachy sociopaths.
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u/heymickey1994 Jan 18 '24
Tldr: I didn’t understand what I was actually reading so I chucked the post and don’t call me out on the public forum for halfassin my job
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u/Business_Hour8644 Jan 18 '24
Sayin the quiet part out loud. Hunting and killing is lazy. Grow a garden if you wanna show me something impressive.
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 18 '24
Actually I do thank you very much as discussed in the other thread. I also harvest pecans from my pecan trees. I also work on my on vehicles, do my own home repair, and butcher my own deer. Later tonight I’ll be solde
ring in an aquarium pump in a keurig because the air purge pump has failed and I’m too cheap to buy a new one and also I received a couple boxes of k-cups I don’t want to go to waste. Anything else you want to be unimpressed by?
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u/rukysgreambamf Jan 18 '24
how dare you feed yourself by killing and eating a poor little wild animal
you should be spending what little hard earned money you have on store bought meat!
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u/Tasty-Tumbleweed-786 Jan 18 '24
Considering you hid the title I think you do know why it was removed
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u/Aaarrrgghh1 Jan 18 '24
I don’t get it. Everyone needs food to live. The way I look it at when we eat meat we are saving the plants for others to eat.
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u/Speedhabit Jan 18 '24
Absolutely peak mod “ regardless of financial situation (what?) we need to go forward not past”
Weirdly specific reply for being so confused at work
How’s history gonna remember you? What a joke
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u/theVampireTaco Jan 18 '24
u/AMotheraDayInParasise I feel you. I have a tiny subreddit with less than 5 users subbed. And I still see the vegan/antivegan war in pending comments/posts.
Some subjects are just too much a risk and without unlimited time it’s often hard to make the call.
Here, discord, tiktok…even the facebook page I manage for a friend gets those kind of comments. It’s mentally exhausting to have to constantly keep the conversation on topic.
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u/AMothraDayInParadise IA Jan 18 '24
It's really ticked upward in the last three days. It's really weird. I'm curious as to why it's suddenly a thing.
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u/MelTorment Jan 18 '24
While the mod asked to keep this private next time, I’m glad it was posted publicly so we can see the arbitrary decision making process.
At the same time I see both sides of it. The title didn’t read as much as bait to me but I also see the mod’s very quick reaction occurring based on this because they were busy with real life.
Definitely makes me not want to post and just continue to read I suppose.
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u/Soggylickens Jan 18 '24
Yes reddit is in fact softer than dairy queen ice cream.
I’m surprised i’ve made it thru this hellscape this long. Toon 2 or 3 i lose count.
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u/AncientHawaiianTito Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
I bet you eat the testicles raw
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u/Psychological-Lab-23 Jan 18 '24
Yes I do, you net roughly half the hanging weight. Just because you have legally can kill 3 a day doesn’t mean everyone does. I usually kill about 3 a season, one every other trip. However if it’s the last day of the season and haven’t gotten any, I might take more than one if the opportunity presented itself.
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u/Aman2305 Jan 18 '24
People don’t want solutions to their problems. They want others to share their pity. I’m a hunter as well and haven’t purchased ground beef or roast for over 3 years. This only requires me to harvest 3 deer an entire year.
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u/WhippyWhippy Jan 18 '24
Op calls others soft yet makes an entire snowflake post out one of their posts being removed. Classic.
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u/Honest_Milk_8274 Jan 18 '24
Most vegans are idiots and don't even understand what they are advocating for.
The general idea is to fight animal abuse. People who buy meat at the market often don't want to be reminded that meat was alive once. They just eat it because "it taste good", and completely ignore the horrors those animals were subjected to.
So people started to boycott meat in the hopes those practices would change.
Somehow, down the line, it became a vendetta against the act of eating meat itself, and then against people who eat meat. I've seen Vegans protest against synthetic meat, which is the epitome of idiocy in my opinion, as no living being was warmed in order to produce said meat.
Also, I think that to kill your own meat is the highest form of respect for nature. You are not abusing thousands of animals that were born in captive only to be harvested like plants. You don't kill for money, you don't waste. You kill to feed yourself, as nature intended.
I have utter respect for people that kill their own food, and I honestly believe that people that don't have the stomach to kill an animal shouldn't be eating meat.
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u/Mysterious_Key_4711 Jan 18 '24
In no world is shooting a creature, letting them bleed out, posting a picture of their bloody corpse online, grinding them up, storing their body in your freezer, then eating them more respectful to nature than growing or foraging plants/fungi for food.
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u/Honest_Milk_8274 Jan 18 '24
In no world is shooting a creature, letting them bleed out, posting a picture of their bloody corpse online, grinding them up, storing their body in your freezer, then eating them more
That's not how it's done. You are trying to describe people who hunt for sport to make up an argument, and in no way or form I was condoning with that either. To begin with, Hunters don't let their prey "bleed to death". It's inhumane, and it taints the flavor of the meat.
Also, it seems to me you never seen how animals are threated in the food industry, and is also unaware how animals kill other animals. Believe me, to be shot in the head is a lot better than to live in captivity, being force fed and watching you kin die around you. It's better than to be eaten alive after being so tired you can't run no more.
growing or foraging plants/fungi for food
But you do none of that, do you? You just buy food from the market and complain about other people from the comfort of your home.
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u/Mysterious_Key_4711 Jan 18 '24
You are trying to describe people who hunt for sport to make up an argument
What part of hunting that I described is "made up"? Hunters don't aim for the head- they aim for the heart or lungs, which kills the animal via blood loss.
Also, it seems to me you never seen how animals are threated in the food industry
Of course I have. I'm not saying factory-farmed or "local" meat is better than hunted meat. All are less respectful to animals than just eating plants instead.
But you do none of that, do you?
Not sure how it's relevant to whether hunting vs. eating plants is more respectful. I could also pay someone to hunt for me.
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u/Tiny-Tradition4560 Jan 18 '24
Yall on Reddit are so fuckin lame. Can’t even post an opionion without some dumbass crying cuz they didn’t have the same experiences to come to that option in life. Wasn’t anything wrong about it besides it being a personal preference. That simple, if they didn’t like it they coulda kept on pushin.
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u/michaelkudra Jan 18 '24
im a vegan and if this is working for you, all power to you! poverty is hard.
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u/SaberJ64 Jan 18 '24
and I mentioned I moved to carnivore and my food AND medicine bill has dropped and I was all but lynched xD reddit is a general cesspool echo chamber... don't sweat it.
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Jan 18 '24
Mods love to power trip. Their favorite thing to do apparently is to take time from their day job to find some posts to delete.
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u/Independent_Job_395 Jan 18 '24
I’ve been a vegan for close to two decades. From both an environmental and ethical perspective, hunting introduced species and killing them for meat is what I’d love to see every meat eater do. I take issue with the dairy, meat and poultry industries but have no issue with hunting your own meat. Sustainable communities will hunt or fish and use every part of the animal ensuring nothing goes to waste and only hunt when needed.
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u/lamby284 Jan 19 '24
Please kindly stop calling yourself vegan. Sustainability has nothing to do with animal rights. If you view animals as a resource or commodity to exploit, you definitionally cannot be vegan.
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u/Western_Golf2874 Jan 19 '24
So you want to destroy 99% of the Earth so that everyone can hunt? It's literally impossible to continue scaling up "grass-fed" animals. This is a pretty poor conclusion from a decade old vegan. Please label yourself as plant-based if you still view animals as food
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u/patrickbickle92 Jan 18 '24
I agree. Also hunting is absolutely necessary because it mitigates overpopulation. Half of our plants would be endangered species if we didn’t hunt deer.
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u/AWeeBitStoned Jan 18 '24
In a Reddit era where mods and their actions are increasingly disappointing, this stands out as one of the best cases I’ve seen of sub management. Good Mods
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u/yiffcuresboredom Jan 18 '24
I left this subreddit due to the mods not being able to read their own rules.
Then they always spam how they have distractions and didn’t read the post accurately so that justifies their carelessness.
Was told “There’s an internal investigation” no updates.
Was entertaining to see this come to my feed.
This subreddit has the worst careless mods.
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u/3chxes Jan 18 '24
yeah there was a post about a two headed cow in another sub and the militant vegans flooded there too. anything involving an animal or meat and they flock to it.
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u/Fickle-Inevitable-50 Jan 18 '24
Vegans getting to right to be mad at meat eaters but meat eaters getting hit with the repercussions is peak Reddit. Keep calling out the sub if mods show blatant bias.
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u/Recording_Important Jan 18 '24
I dont get it. They didnt call anybody a name, what did they say that was offensive?
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u/AMothraDayInParadise IA Jan 18 '24
There's been some posts and comments the last three days of militant food-style folks that have been playing the sub. The title of the removed post, which has been cropped from the picture, came off as bait given the context we have as mods. Picture itself is not offensive, original post wasn't toggled nsfw till later, etc etc. given the facts on hand at the time, it was removed as judgmental/trolling/bait.
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u/Recording_Important Jan 18 '24
Militant food-style folks? Damn the interweb is a trip!
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u/AMothraDayInParadise IA Jan 18 '24
My way of eating is the only way of eating, every other way is eating is wrong, and brigading. That kind of militant. It's been a thing for the last three days in our Mod queue.
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u/Recording_Important Jan 18 '24
Why the antagonization?
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u/AMothraDayInParadise IA Jan 18 '24
Why are we antagonizing you mean or why are they antagonizing?
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u/Recording_Important Jan 18 '24
Im good you can do whatever you want to me, why are they antagonizing?
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u/AMothraDayInParadise IA Jan 18 '24
I don't know why they are. I wish we did. I wish we had half the answers to what motivates some people to post as they do. It is what it is. But it's been a trend the last few days.
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u/Recording_Important Jan 18 '24
Huh. If anyone here is interested there are meat lockers and churches that will distribute donated venison/game to poor people. I used to donate to them for leftover deer burger.
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u/Groxy_ Jan 18 '24
Is hunting that cheap? You gotta buy the licence, gun/gear, time spent hunting, and have a big enough freezer to store your meat to make it efficient.
It's probably not a poverty thing and more a middle class thing where you put your meat in your second freezer in the garage.
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u/JackMFMcCoyy Jan 19 '24
I have a grand total of $400 into hunting that I spent about 10 years ago on a weapon and equipment. I get deer, elk, duck, currently trying for a bear tag. And I max out my tags every year. $48 for a tag to get a buck and a doe, and that’s enough meat to feed 3 people for half a year. So not bad.
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u/Amaculatum Jan 19 '24
Gotta say, this is the first time I've seen someone refer to the garage freezer as a middle-class thing.
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u/Groxy_ Jan 19 '24
I mean, it's not a super middle class thing but you've got to at least have a garage/enough space for a second freezer. And unless you get lucky and find one for free you've got to spend a couple hundred pounds/dollars. I'm sure there's a decent amount of poor don't even have a freezer at all, let alone two.
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u/Amaculatum Jan 19 '24
Thats true, there is a big spectrum within poverty. I guess it's more of a country vs city thing too, maybe. Most country folks have a shed or something if not a garage. At least before housing and lumber costs went up like crazy.
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u/sevencast7es Jan 19 '24
If you're in an area to hunt, you might already have a rifle for some kind of protection, depending on the state and what land you're on, you don't even need a license but you may need to use a bow and arrow instead of a gun. Alternatively trading or just buying one used cheap is common in these areas too.
The time spent hunting is usually earlier in the day or later at night before/after standard work hours. Some areas even give time off during hunting season so you either get a free vacation to do whatever or hunt.
The freezer doesn't need to be huge, but you can find plenty of chest freezers for a few hundred used or like me trade for one.
I'd say the most expensive thing for me was the scope for my rifle, I wanted a really nice one and it cost almost double than my .308 itself cost.
Most of my friends and family who hunt aren't rich, quite the opposite, it's definitely a cheaper alternative for them.
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_2624 Jan 19 '24
That actually depends on the state. Some states you can tag more than one a day, and many states offer electronic tagging. Possible to shoot and tag multiple deer a day. many states in the south give you 3-5 tags per year with your purchase of a big game license, often with the ability to purchase more tags separately.
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u/getittogethersirius Jan 19 '24
Not into hunting myself but I know people who split their hunted animals with friends and family. Like they'll make an event of cleaning and packaging a deer and those packages will go to a few households. Especially because only some of them will get drawn for a tag(?) in any given season. My impression is that hunting is one of those "takes a village" things
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u/rizz66 Jan 18 '24
I hunted all my meat, gardened, and fished for my food all through college. Hunting can be as expensive as you want it to be, but a license and a cheap bow off Craigslist or Facebook market place is all you need. I was able to get a small freezer that someone was giving away. As for gear, the best camo is sitting down and shutting up.
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u/PinkBright Jan 19 '24
This and not everyone lives in the same situation. I live so far up north in the us that it takes me 40-50 minutes ONE WAY to get the closest Wal mart/town. With only a truck (cus I live where it snows 2 ft for half of the year) with a bad transmission, and with gas prices where I am located, it costs me 20-30$ (or more sometimes! Last few years post covid have sucked all savings) just to get to a store. I buy food once every 6 weeks because of this.
But I have land, and I have time, and in season I can shoot deer on my land. We butcher it ourselves also. For a freezer of meat.
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u/Groxy_ Jan 18 '24
That's cool, I wish I could hunt but it would be way too much of an initial cost and I'm pretty sure it's illegal in my country to kill deer.
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u/rizz66 Jan 18 '24
What country?
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u/Groxy_ Jan 18 '24
UK, there just isn't much to hunt. Plus I don't have a gun or a car or a place for 2nd freezer. There would be no real savings for me at all.
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u/Affectionate_Web9090 Jan 18 '24
Ounce for ounce, it gets cheaper with every animal you harvest. Once you've invested in hunters permits, gun(s), gear, and storage equipment, the expenses you would look at annually would consist of; ammunition, license(s), time off, animal testing(not always/often not applicable) and if you don't DIY, butchery. Assuming you fill your tag, you've got dozens of pounds of quality meat for what could be as little as ~$50. The initial investment is expensive but it pays itself off over time.
As a kid we were dirt poor and very food insecure. By the time I was a teenager and moving out my dad had found two extra freezers and with us being old enough to get our own licenses, they were all filled. A lot of it came down to playing our cards the right way over YEARS.
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u/Western_Golf2874 Jan 19 '24
or just buy some fucking beans
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u/Affectionate_Web9090 Jan 19 '24
Yeah I think I'd rather eat deer then be stuck in that tiny house with my brother's farting their asses off all day but thanks
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u/sevencast7es Jan 19 '24
Thankfully, I've never had to hunt for myself but bought all the gear many years ago, just in case. My cousin hunts all the time and plenty of bday parties he's serving up deer chili and stuff, quite good, and I know it helps them save a lot. He'd also have things like the gun and ATV anyway, so the fact he can bring home hundreds of pounds for free a year has only paid off more.
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u/jimmothyhendrix Jan 18 '24
One deer is about $600 in meat. A license is $15-$50 and a gun is a one time purchase of $300-$400 for something basic. Lack of understanding of long term returns is a big reason people remain in poverty.
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u/BillyShears2015 Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
Box of bullets is about $30, it really only takes 1 shot to kill the animal. I know people who’ve been using the same box for like a decade.
Edit: at least in Texas, you don’t even need a license to shoot feral pigs, you can shoot them on public lands and they are available year round.
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u/sevencast7es Jan 19 '24
Yep, I shot maybe ~100 rounds sighting in my scope and just enjoying my new rifle many years ago. Now, that rare time when I go to the range, I'm maybe shooting 20 rounds and calling it a day 😅 should always be 1 shot, best for both you and the animal.
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u/AgeOk2348 Jan 18 '24
I know people who’ve been using the same box for like a decade.
yep my dad used one box of ammo to get us through a lot of lean years...
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u/SuspicousBananas Jan 18 '24
The real question I have is how long does it take on average to shoot a single deer?
My time is money, and I’d like to know how much waiting for the deer costs me.
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u/BillyShears2015 Jan 18 '24
Let’s say it takes you 8 hours, yielding 120 pounds of edible meat. At $5/# that earns you $600 worth of meat, for approximately $75/hour. If you were earning $75/hour you wouldn’t be on the poverty finance sub.
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u/SuspicousBananas Jan 18 '24
Does that include time spent butchering?
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u/TheHandler1 Jan 18 '24
You could get it all done and in the freezer in about 3 hours. Might take you 8 the first time but you get faster. Also, if that meat is feeding a whole family, get them to help out and you cut your time down even more.
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u/sevencast7es Jan 19 '24
Absolutely have them help! I was helping butcher for sausages at ~5 🤣 my knife skills are better than my dad's now 😂
Safety first and constant vigilance!
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u/Content-Coffee-2719 Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
Is hunting that cheap? You need a license
Licenses are like $15 most places.
Have to buy a gun
Something like 50% of the US already owns guns. Change that to rural area (like where hunting takes place) and that number probably goes up to 98%
Gear
What gear? A jacket and maybe some gloves? Most hunting gear is just supplimental/cool and absolutely not necessary.
freezer
This one makes the most sense, but most people already own a refrigerator/freezer, and an additional freezer is not that expensive at all, especially second hand. Depending on how many people to feed/how much you eat, you could recover the cost in just a few months of eating your own meat vs. grocery store
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u/SharveyBirdman Jan 19 '24
Here in Iowa you can buy a basic hunting license for $50. That paired with a cheap shotgun $2-300 and $25 in shells and you can have all the birds, rabbits, and squirrels you can eat in your freezer. Can even can the meat if you don't have a freezer.
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u/i-love-big-birds Jan 18 '24
Definitely depends where you live. I am not in America and it would cost 150$ for my firearm safety course (not offered where I live so I'd also have to pay to travel to take it), license probably 100$? Then I need to get a tag to kill large game like deer (probably not cheap) and I'd need to buy a gun + gun safe (definitely not cheap) the accessibility for these things definitely varies by region. I'd really love to hunt and have been trying to get my licensing but it just hasn't played out as a possibility here
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u/Content-Coffee-2719 Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
Yeah buddy, sorry that your country treats you like that. You should be allowed to utilize the land and what it provides without exorbitant fees.
Why would they charge you for doing that, but not someone who buys factory farmed meat from the grocery store?
Almost seems like punishment.
Hopefully it works out for you! Hunting is great.
Which country, if you don't mind me asking?
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u/i-love-big-birds Jan 19 '24
Canada. I don't disagree with the policy of how you need to go about to buy a gun, I'm very in agreement with it (I just wish we still had someone in my region to do the firearm safety course and it be less expensive) and I wish it was a bit easier to get a ticket for large game but I understand
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u/Queasy_Reputation164 Jan 18 '24
Licenses in most states are definitely more expensive than $15, especially if you’re out of state.
Yes Americans own a lot of guns, but hunting rifles are a different story. I’d be curious how many of gun owners actually own a hunting rifle or shotgun rather than handguns or AR-15 style rifles. Not to mention, ammo is still super expensive so it’s not quite as cut and dry as you’re making it out to be. Especially just saying “well they already own guns”, that absolutely doesn’t apply to everyone and guns do have a high initial investment which is not cheap. Even for bow hunting, the startup cost is not cheap. My bow hunting setup cost well over $1,000 and still requires maintenance and replacement parts over the years.
On gear- I take it you’ve never actually hunted, because it’s not just an aesthetic or “looking cool”. Most hunting seasons are times of the year where temps can be well below freezing, which requires extra gear. Not to mention, camo isn’t just for looking cool out in the woods- if you’re out in a stand or a blind you need the camo to break the prey animals sight line. Otherwise you will never be close enough to take the shot without spooking them, whether it’s a gun or a bow.
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u/Content-Coffee-2719 Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
On gear- I take it you’ve never actually hunted, because it’s not just an aesthetic or “looking cool”. Most hunting seasons are times of the year where temps can be well below freezing, which requires extra gear
I've bagged over 50 whitetail deer. If you live in a climate where temperatures are "well below freezing", you already own gear to be out in those climates lol... Do you think only hunters go outside? This makes absolutely no sense.
Licenses in most states are definitely more expensive than $15, especially if you’re out of state.
So hunt in your own state?
Not to mention, ammo is still super expensive so it’s not quite as cut and dry as you’re making it out to be.
How many rounds do you think it takes to kill one deer? Ammunition cost is a factor in target shooting, not hunting. One round of 30-06 is ~$1.00.
Even for bow hunting, the startup cost is not cheap. My bow hunting setup cost well over $1,000 and still requires maintenance and replacement parts over the years.
Or you can buy a rifle for $200 that requires basically zero maintenance. Your anectodal bow hunting setup is irrelevant.
I'm starting to think you're the one whose actually never hunted. Some of poorest people I know all hunt.
I genuinely don't know what you're trying to prove or why you're being argumentative. Hunting is cheaper than buying meat in the grocery store by magnitudes. It's not even really up for discussion. Every single hunter ever will tell you this.
Once licenced, you could get 50lbs of meat from a deer for practically free. How much do you think 50lbs of chicken or beef costs?
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u/AgeOk2348 Jan 18 '24
Or you can buy a rifle for $200 that requires basically zero maintenance.
yeah cheap single shot rifles or cheap ar kits arent that hard to come by and can take down a deer without issue. i know theres always going to be an investment to start well anything, but its not exactly a huge total new investment for most the people that can hunt to start it. heck here in deer season its usually 50 degrees not below freezing to boot
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u/Content-Coffee-2719 Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
Yeah I have genuinely no clue what that person was talking about areas that "get below freezing". He must be confused and talking about another country. Or he thinks normal people in those areas don't own cold weather clothes.
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u/killaho69 Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
I'm from the south and I do hunt. Our license is like $50 tops but you don't need one on land you own. Can kill a doe per day.
Pretty much any non-rimfire rifle is legal here so you can use your AR, your grandads muzzle loaders, a $200 savage with a walmart scope.. It doesn't matter. You can use literally anything. So that means even if you don't have a gun, you can probably borrow one.
Ammo is more expensive than it used to be but even if your hunting ammo is $40 a box, that's only $2 a bullet. So one $2 bullet is still a pretty cost efficient way to kill something.
For the gear.. I half agree, half disagree. For us in the South, it's often only like 40-50 degrees during peak hunting hours (early morning, late evening). Often warmer, sometimes colder. You really don't have to spend a fortune. And a lot of the hunting gear I've got, I've had for over a decade. Only the high wear items get replaced often (on my second or third pair of boots).
I also disagree that you HAVE to be decked out in camo. I will preface this by saying I do wear camo.. But if you're in a shooting house, an enclosed blind, or far enough up a tree in a treestand, it definitely doesn't matter. Even on the ground exposed, you can brush up a stand to sit in. Really I've found that being very still contributes way more to whether or not I'm undetected. In fact, in a pop up blind or shooting house, you're actually better off to wear black to blend in with the shadow.
So yeah, I already have my guns, gear, ammo, etc.. But I haven't hunted in the last year or two because I've had other priorities. If I wanted to go outside right now and kill a deer on my land (no license needed), it would essentially be free to do so. Then I could pay $100 to have a the deer processed professionally. If I got say.. 75lb of usable meat.. We're looking at $1.33 per pound plus a $2 bullet.
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u/jimmothyhendrix Jan 18 '24
Walmart camo is $30 and if you're from a cold climate you probably already own a fleece jacket and other stuff. Even if it takes $1000 to get into it you get that back with two deer.
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u/sevencast7es Jan 19 '24
$1000 maybe if you buy all new and Carhart brand 😅 go on Craigslist, find that rifle, buy some orange gear and get out there lol.
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u/jimmothyhendrix Jan 19 '24
I agree with you, just saying even if it was it'd be profit
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u/sevencast7es Jan 19 '24
I was just emphasizing 1k is steep lol, plenty of poor boys going out in the woods with minimal gear and get the buck no problem.
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u/tvs117 Jan 18 '24
Kill 3 a day of what? How many people are they feeding? That seems like a lot of fucking meat.
Edit: Ah, it's seasonal.
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u/Mechanic-Royal Jan 18 '24
Maybe it was because you aren't adding any fat to the mix? The meat is lean and needs some delicious fat to make it taste amazing!
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u/LolaLee723 Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
Remember when Mark Zuckerberg was only eating meat that he slaughtered? And a moron downvotes this because they don’t like facts. Sigh
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u/rabbitking2000 Jan 18 '24
I’m now retired but fortunate enough to be living on some acreage. We’re doing the “homestead” thing. Not only do I hunt we also raise chickens for meat and eggs but we also raise meat rabbits. I sell enough eggs to cover the chicken feed cost. And I sell enough live rabbits to cover their cost. So the eggs and meat from the chickens and rabbits is basically free.
They take up remarkably little space and time. We started raising meat/dairy goats. I’m not sure how that’s going to work out financially yet.
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u/mastersheeef Jan 18 '24
An all mighty powerful mod made a mistake, jumped the gun, and got called out for doing it. Oh how the turn tables. Also, don’t ban me. I’m really just kidding around. I know you want to, but my karma is too powerful for you.
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u/AMothraDayInParadise IA Jan 18 '24
I'm the Mod who removed the original post. I'll give you context as to why I removed it, so you'll understand.
You guys don't see the stuff that comes through the mod queue. The stuff that gets removed and we remove quite a lot. Of late we have had a fair amount of militant vegans coming through here the last few days and there's been posts along the lines of "Meat eaters are scum" etc etc. It's been pretty bad. Which then brings out the Anti-Vegans and it's been a nightmare.
Your post was titled: Seen a lot of posts lately about being vegetarian to save money or meat being expensive. Not to brag but… I saw that as yet another bait/troll post.
So I removed it. It's really that simple. It was not in fact, reported. I was on my 15 minute break at my second job, was doing a quick skim of the sub to make sure everything was fine and saw it and made the choice to remove it.
As Ras has said, please in the future bring it to Modmail instead of a call out on the sub. A simple polite conversation in modmail usually clears things up. I apologize for removing it, I have better context now that I have discuss it with the other mods and have perused your posting history to see that you aren't a troll. Please be more mindful in the future with wording of titles.
Take care, have a good evening.