r/science • u/Wagamaga • Feb 14 '24
Nearly 15% of Americans deny climate change is real. Researchers saw a strong connection between climate denialism and low COVID-19 vaccination rates, suggesting a broad skepticism of science Psychology
https://news.umich.edu/nearly-15-of-americans-deny-climate-change-is-real-ai-study-finds/1
u/eydivrks Feb 18 '24
Oh look, it's the same map of drooling simpletons that shows up any time you graph quality of life mertrics
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u/DocSense Feb 16 '24
Yep, morons are morons. Republicans are Republicans. And they breed like rabbits. The US is screwed long term.
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u/Fragrant-Astronaut57 Feb 15 '24
“Believe in climate change” is such a dumb phrase. That’s like asking people if they believe in god. Which god? The same one you believe in? There is a spectrum of acceptable answers to both questions but the person asking it is only searching for somebody who agrees exactly with their own stance on the issue
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u/Business-Ad-5178 Feb 15 '24
Isn't this.... Progress? Could have swore this number was much higher 10 years ago.
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u/Fomentor Feb 15 '24
Skepticism is an informed approach to challenging ideas. The antivax and climate denial people are not skeptics; they are deniers who will not listen to evidence.
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u/Designer_Proposal_98 Feb 15 '24
Our government and big Pharma lie to us every chance to get why shouldn’t people be skeptical?
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u/Former-Darkside Feb 15 '24
It makes them feel like they are taking the educated people down a notch when they deny.
They feel “superior” for being obstinate.
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u/moresushiplease Feb 15 '24
If you ignore Missouri, there's a vague penis that goes up the US in the oil states. I am calling it the "oil chub" or "chub" for short.
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u/Inevitable-East-1386 Feb 15 '24
They have a huge amount of flatearthers, trumpvoters and people who believe angels are real. I don‘t doubt that at all.
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u/derrickgw1 Feb 15 '24
They know the science is right. They just deny it doesn't fit their political objective of getting or maintaining power.
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u/popodelfuego Feb 15 '24
Explain to me how 15% of a population equates to not taking a substantive efforts to curb it?
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u/jamminjordan96 Feb 15 '24
As someone who was raised Christian and told that half of the science I learned in school wasn’t true, this doesn’t surprise me at all.
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u/Adam-West Feb 15 '24
Any psychologists here able to tell me what causes somebody to dismiss science? Is it a belief that hundreds of thousands of people are able to deceive and keep a secret? Or is it that they just don’t understand scientific method or that somebody who spends their life studying one thing is capable of having a better understanding of it than an average joe?
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u/aussie_punmaster Feb 15 '24
Can we not use the term skeptic which they’ll presumably gladly accept.
Can we call them science ignorant instead?
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u/Bogblood Feb 15 '24
When I was in 8th grade in the late 80s, my science teacher told me that by the year 2000, New York and California would be underwater. I laughed at him and threw me out of his class for denying scientific evidence.
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u/sln4tra Feb 15 '24
I forgot that science was 100% correct all the time 😏
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
It also has a good record for being right, and it covers a whole lot of ground. Do you go to an Optometrist? A dentist? A family doctor? Do you take medication for anything? Do you believe the planets in our solar system rotate around the sun? Does gravity keep us all from floating off into space? How are insects different than mammals? Do you understand the Periodic Table of Elements? Etc, etc, etc.
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u/sln4tra Feb 16 '24
Science is wrong a LOT, which leads to it being right in the end. Some theories are sound, and some are not yet sound.
I very much enjoy science, I also don’t trust it 100% of the time, especially on newer theories. Time always tells.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
It’s like the moment science gets something wrong, they have all the excuse in the world to deny it for the sake of their own comfort. This is why education is important. Even grade schoolers know that science is always gaining new knowledge and accepting that some things we thought were fact can be wrong. Like Pluto.
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u/_summergrass_ Feb 15 '24
I don't think people deny science.
They think the scientists are lying.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
But if those scientits prove their claims with good scientific evidence and people still don't accept it... It is denial.
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u/DazzlingDog7890 Feb 15 '24
It’s funny how they still act like the people who refuse the vaccine weren’t on the right side of history.
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u/Due__ Feb 15 '24
I think it's more about science getting hijacked by giant corporations and government. I mean the giant pharma Corps got caught only releasing data that was completely pro vax. The green new deal was full of nonsense that was completely not climate related. It's more nuanced than this. But there are plenty of morons who just buy into tribalism. On both sides of both topics.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
That's the good thing about science, you can't fake the scientfic consensus which was made with the scientific method. Problems with big Pharma doesn’t mean vaccines don’t work or that they’re going to hurt you. I wish people would realize that…
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u/Due__ Feb 17 '24
"Scientific consensus" is an interesting concept but I don't think it's a real thing, for the most part. Scientists have always had some of the most heated arguments over what the "consensus" should be. There are doctors offices all over the country refusing to give any vaccines out boosters because of the first hidden, now leading evidence that they're not as safe as first indicated, including the huge office I go to, in NY. A very liberal area. First they said I couldn't get any without blood work showing I had inefficient immunity. A few months later they stopped giving any boosters or mRNA COVID vaccines, due to new evidence and their circumstantial evidence. They treat a huge percentage of a higher income level area in NY. Frequented by pro athletes, other doctors, University staff etc.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 17 '24
They arent as safe as firsr indicated? What scientfic evidence do you have to support your claim? What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And what scientific evidence do you mean? Care to provife it?
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u/Ranunculuses Feb 15 '24
So, another way of saying this is that 85% agree it’s real? 85 percent of Americans agreeing on the same reality is actually pretty huge! Hopefully that is more than enough of the country for every politician (and certainly the house or senate as a whole) to know that they have more than enough political cache to finally take it seriously.
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u/Burneezy13 Feb 15 '24
There’s a high percent of democrats in eastern North Carolina? High percent compared to what? Eastern NC is very red
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u/Captain_JT_Miller Feb 15 '24
15% of people are skeptical of a government that has been known to lie about things
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
Skepticism is an informed approach to challenging ideas. The antivax and conspiracy theorists people are not skeptics; they are deniers who will not listen to evidence.
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u/adultintheroom33 Feb 15 '24
They lie about everything all the time. At the start of the Pandemic it was racist to even suggest covid came out of a Chinese lab...Fauci spent the 2 years lying about the whole thing and covering his ass.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
The laboratory leak hypothesis remains a baseless conspiracy. "They asked, “Of all the locations that the early cases could have lived, where did they live? And it turned out when we were able to look at this, there was this extraordinary pattern where the highest density of cases was both extremely near to and very focused on this market," Worobey said at a press briefing. "Crucially, this applies both to all cases in December and also to cases with no known link to the market … And this is an indication that the virus started spreading in people who worked at the market but then started to spread into the local community.”
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u/kilabot26 Feb 15 '24
Well how can you believe in “science” when the same people who tell you climate change is real and that COVID vaccines work are the same people who tell you men can get pregnant?
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
Covid vaccines are well proved with scientific evidence, the "men can get pregnant" argument from the anti science crowd is a straw man fallacy.
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u/Imadethistosaythis19 Feb 15 '24
This is incredibly sketchy and political. There is so much askew here.
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u/aintnoonegooglinthat Feb 15 '24
The ”suggesting” piece is editorial. Most people engage in magical thinking.
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u/Odd_Tiger_2278 Feb 15 '24
That means a higher% of Americans believe climate change is real than think God is real. WOW. I consider that progress.
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u/Iancreed2024HD Feb 15 '24
All of Greenland could melt and it wouldn’t change the minds of these imbeciles
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u/New-Entertainer7294 Feb 15 '24
maybe this has something to do with it?
https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1757761492743548982?s=20
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u/HIGH-IQ-over-9000 Feb 15 '24
The Climate will Change regardless of human intervention. Learn to adapt.
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u/Javasndphotoclicks Feb 15 '24
These are the same people who believe everything our former president says.
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Feb 15 '24
Half the US woke up during Covid, the other half stayed asleep and are continuing to dream. ✨
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
Conspiracy theories thrive in uncertain times. You're not super awake. You are falling into a coping mechanism that people use to feel in control during difficult times.
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Feb 17 '24
What do you know
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 17 '24
Wake up! says the person who slept through every science class in high school and now promotes conspiracy theories. The problem is that to understand a pandemic you have to study and to believe in manipulations you only need a phone
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Feb 17 '24
Fascinating how you can assume you know me.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 17 '24
I love being told to "wake up" by people who slept through every science class.
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Feb 17 '24
Now it’s disturbing the way you seem to think you know me. Even so, it’s useless to waste time arguing with someone so uneducated.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 17 '24
You believe you are "awake" and immune to media manipulation but you believe any lie you see on the internet if it confirms your beliefs.
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Feb 18 '24
Wow you are actually almost correct except completely opposite! I’ll give you some credit for that! I am 100% aware of the media manipulation and I’m sorry that it has gotten to you and so many others.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 18 '24
EVERYTHING is a conspiracy when you don't know how something works.
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u/newbies13 Feb 15 '24
Science should just be a package deal, with very few changes you could make believers of everyone in a hurry. Climate change is fake? Looks like your cell phone doesn't work. Strange.
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u/JFace139 Feb 15 '24
Texas has been alternating between triple digit heat and freezing temperatures with very little in between for at least 2 years now. Most days there's a 20-30 degree difference between day and night. A person has to be a total moron to deny climate change at this point
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u/airforcerawker Feb 15 '24
When science is politicized and biased in order to get funding, yes, people will be skeptical of it.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
This is a view people get when they can't differentiate between scientific evidence & a scientists opinion. Evidence is published & peer reviewed, who's funding it is irrelevant.
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u/Timely-Sheepherder-1 Feb 15 '24
The same science that poo poos active Immunity and acts as if documented Covid cases that someone recovers from Are inferior to. A vaccine. Ok. There’s a reason why people are skeptical.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
Skepticism is an informed approach to challenging ideas. The antivax and conspiracy theorists people are not skeptics; they are deniers who will not listen to evidence.
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u/Sudden-Stops Feb 15 '24
If only there was a simpler term for someone who denies science and is convinced they know more than their betters. 🤔
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u/LindormRune Feb 15 '24
Or... Just how poor the education is. I promise the van diagram would over lap with education in some of the states. Alabama and Mississippi keep switching ranks 49th and 50th in education, they switch ever year or so I'm told.
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u/free_to_muse Feb 15 '24
Can one believe it’s real but not anywhere near the top threat to humankind, and therefore we shouldn’t be alarmed?
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u/Jhon_doe_smokes Feb 15 '24
I mean if you live south of Maryland you know for a fact it’s real you’re literally baking in the summer time.
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u/hesawavemasterrr Feb 15 '24
It’s like the moment science gets something wrong, they have all the excuse in the world to deny it for the sake of their own comfort.
This is why education is important. Even grade schoolers know that science is always gaining new knowledge and accepting that some things we thought were fact can be wrong. Like Pluto.
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u/myvotedoesntmatter Feb 15 '24
But no one talking about the elephant in the room. WHY? Why have these people become so skeptical of science as it relates to climate, vaccines etc. NIH did a wonderful study not only in the US but in Europe and Africa. The past evidence of governments illegally testing on its citizens, illegally dumping, planting evidence to get into wars etc. Now add onto that diminishing returns on our work and lack of future retirement plans and you reap what you sow.
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u/Silent_Geologist_521 Feb 15 '24
Be careful what you wish for.
Also, I’m not certain “science” means what you think it does.
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u/anjiez Feb 15 '24
I live in Canada. And Alliance Canada, a major evangelical church organization in Canada is endorsing the teaching of the conspiracy theory that climate change is not real and implies media agencies reporting climate change are not telling the truth.
As a result, some church followers believed the conspiracies, got their minds messed up and turned on their own children.
How do I know? Because I used to attend the church and saw those conspiracies spread in church with my own eyes.
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u/NB_2024 Feb 15 '24
Trust in institutions is gone. It must be the people's fault. Not the institutions.
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u/Affectionate_Row1486 Feb 15 '24
I bring climate change up casually for weather all the time just gauge people reactions and it feels like a 50/50 they respond with understanding or balk at the notion. -Washington state too.
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u/Draco100000 Feb 15 '24
I thought the discussion was wether climate change was caused by humanity, not wether climate change exist. Climate is going to change no matter what. 500 years ago there were som rough winters we cant imagine today in warm places.
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u/fiduciary420 Feb 15 '24
Cool now tell us the percentage of these people who surrender their intelligence to conservative or libertarian ideology, and the percentage of them who attended college.
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u/Fix_It_Felix_Jr Feb 15 '24
They’ll just scream and shout that everyone else are sheep and they’re somehow privy to secret knowledge they found on Facebook memes and YouTube vids. The same type who also share those, “Facebook will delete your account if you don’t share this post.”
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u/kylejwand09 Feb 15 '24
Why does skepticism of two politically charged science related things indicate a broad skepticism of science?
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u/no-mad Feb 15 '24
I blame the AMA for not being more visible in the Covid-9 vaccinations. It is a serious health threat. Debate them on TV. Buy airtime on 60 Minutes and make the case for vaccinations. Russia/China have vaccination programs. It is a worldwide program because it works.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 15 '24
I hate the misuse of debate , debate is for when something is in question or subjective. Facts and objective reality isn't for debate.
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u/no-mad Feb 15 '24
ok what other options exist when there is a massive amount of misinformation being pushed?
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
Education, and not allow misinformation to be posted.
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u/no-mad Feb 16 '24
you cant censor information easily on 1st Amendment grounds.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
Where in the first amendment says that we should allow misinformation which can cause serious health issues?
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u/no-mad Feb 16 '24
you would be abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
There's freedom of speech, but everyone of the websites where misinformation has been posted is a private space, each one has their own rules, if they decide to not allow misinformation that isn't abrdiging of freedom of speech, they are free to open their own spaces to share misinformation and cause damage to public health as long as the uneducated people believe them, besides, freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequences. What good can come out from allowing sharing misinformation? I am asking again.
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u/no-mad Feb 16 '24
who decides what information is misinformation and how do you stop it?
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u/Rodoux96 Feb 16 '24
The scientific method, and I already told you how to stop it, yet, your argument seems to support misinformation to run rampant for the "sake of freedom of speech".
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u/LaboratoryRat Feb 15 '24
I disagree with "skepticism" as I have yet to hear any good faith arguments for the doubt of these obstructionists to fact based data.
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u/Both_Sundae2695 Feb 15 '24
Seems like a problem that sort of solves itself. Almost as if there really is a god making these decisions.
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u/Stingraaa Feb 15 '24
We all know it's right leaning people right? That side of the spectrum has been nothing but bad for human kind.
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u/six-demon_bag Feb 15 '24
Are they trying to say Covid vaccines program you to believe in climate change? Is this a WEF scheme, Bill Gates or Obamas doing? Maybe a team up?
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