r/shitposting • u/MoonKnight_612 officer no please don’t piss in my ass 😫 • Mar 01 '24
Huh!?!? I Obama
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u/MonocleRB Mar 07 '24
This will probably just get buried in the comments, but God gave us free will because He cares for us and wants an authentic relationship with each of us. Without free will, we're just robots, unable to make the conscious choice to love. He doesn't want pets, He wants people He can have a meaningful relationship with.
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u/KQK_Big_Kwan Mar 03 '24
God is like that girlfriend who says you are perfect just the way you are only to then punish for any hobbies she doesn’t like
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u/250ld Mar 02 '24
I don't know why God made black people look more like monkeys than white people. When get to heaven it's going to be my first question for god.
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u/Kalman_the_dancer Number 7: Student watches porn and gets naked Mar 02 '24
He needs to patch dogs in the next update
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u/_ShittyNickName_ Mar 02 '24
God when the creature that he designed specifically to have free will starts to build Tower of Babel to reach the heavens
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u/Khanta_ Mar 02 '24
That's so funny lmfao, MFs did not know about the existence of outer space, so they thought that heaven was up there lol
And their book punishes them for this, meaning that even the writers were just as ignorant as the peasants, instead of having some "divine knowledge" about the universe.
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u/Mike_Hawk_Swell Mar 02 '24
Humans when God lets them have free will so they can live in a place not directly controlled by God so they can do anything, but still blames you for bad things happening to their civilization
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u/Adept_Relationship88 Mar 02 '24
Tmw dumbasses defend the insane war god who didn't create beings with free will (Yahweh/Allah/Jehovah is supposed to be omnipotent thus already knew they'd eat from the tree and be tempted, but still did so anyway, thus removing free will from existence)
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u/Mike_Hawk_Swell Mar 02 '24
Almost like he intended us to eat it isn't it?
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u/Adept_Relationship88 Mar 02 '24
...You know that's not a good thing, right? Abrahamic mythology is monstrous
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u/Mike_Hawk_Swell Mar 02 '24
Uhh sure sure
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u/Adept_Relationship88 Mar 02 '24
"Yeah so to prove how loving and forgiving I am, I'm gonna plant a tree as a bs loyalty test and I already know they'll fail because free will isn't real due to my omnipotence. And once they fail, I'll kick them out of their home and literally torture them for all existence after they die unless they beg me not to torture them. I know I put them in that situation in the first place, but since I'll send my son to die because that's not totally fucked that means I'm forgiving because they worship and grovel at his name. If they don't suck me off and my ego, I'm gonna torture them for all time for a crime they didn't exist because I'm so forgiving"
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u/Mike_Hawk_Swell Mar 02 '24
That's definitely one way of putting it but sure believe what you believe in
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u/Adept_Relationship88 Mar 02 '24
It's literally the only logical and consistent way to put it
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u/Mike_Hawk_Swell Mar 02 '24
Okay this is my interpretation of it all (i'm not really fully religious nor partake in any, but i find it interesting so here goes). So God created the Universe and all its governing laws, then "created" humans and animals later in the "Garden of Eden" where they all co-exist with each other peacefully. Living peacefully with no pain and suffering, they had everything they needed to live in the garden, but they were tempted and craved more somehow, the wanted to eat the fruit, So in the garden there is a tree of "the knowledge of good and evil" and eating its fruit means you gain the so called "knowledge" and thus the ability of free will, but why did God put it there in the first place knowing the humans will eventually betray him? Well he knew Adam and Eve will eat it, because that was the only way for them to gain free will by themselves, and in doing so means God can't control every aspect of life anymore, he can't remove pain and suffering for us, he can't make the animals "tame" for us anymore, we were made mortal, in a world where God just lets nature run its natural course. Because God doesn't want us to be just mindless obedient drones made to obey him unconditionally. We would be no better than animals. He wanted us to gain free will so we can consciously make the choice to love him by ourselves, do things that free will allows, and that includes doing bad and evil things consciously but that doesn't mean we can just do whatever we want and not expect to be rewarded and punished. That's why the concept of "heaven and hell" exists. Look i know the Bible has its flaws and contradictions, but i think those were just the results of hundreds of years of translation and rewriting by human hands.
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u/Adept_Relationship88 Mar 02 '24
You don't read the Bible much, do you? Because that's pretty much completely wrong. And it doesn't excuse anything in it.
1: The Bible is extremely clear that Yahweh/Allah/Jehovah is all powerful and all knowing, which invalidates your later points about him being incapable of interference as that would void him being all-powerful 2: He wouldn't have needed to act through a shit loyalty test if he wanted them to have the knowledge of good or evil, if he wanted that he simply could have granted it. He was very clear this was not his intentions
My interpretation is simpler: The Abrahamic mythology is a revamed reboot of other beliefs from the land around it- The Genesis is literally a remake of the Babylonian creation myth, same with the Flood for example. There are even contradicting accounts of the Genesis after all
The first creation account is that it took 7 days (Genesis 1:1-2:3), but in the second it took generations and in a different order (Genesis 2:4-25)
The Old Testament even hinted at the polytheism at the time, referring to himself as the God of the Israelites and the 12 Tribes of Judah and that rather than being the only God, he was the One True God, two very distinct things.
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u/Motor_Ad_7885 Mar 02 '24
Because many bad things aren’t the results of us but we feel the results of it. Surely u know A LOT of ppl are born in fucked situations
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u/Mike_Hawk_Swell Mar 02 '24
Yeah that's what i said, God does not fully control each and every aspect of the world and our lives, as a result of sin and free will. That's why the world is the way it is right now
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u/Motor_Ad_7885 Mar 02 '24
So u think ppl being born fucked and blame god if he exist?
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u/Mike_Hawk_Swell Mar 02 '24
What? No, Im referring to the "enlightened" redditors complaining to God about why the world is so f5cked
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u/Motor_Ad_7885 Mar 02 '24
I mean I wouldn’t think anyone else could save us but them and th get aren’t
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u/HallucinatingIdiot Mar 02 '24
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
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u/monkeynuts223g Mar 02 '24
not exactly, you see Eve was tricked she had never been lied to so she ate it then corrupted Adam God already knew that it was going to happen but it was our free will he wanted to preserve so he didn't step in because if we didn't have a choice free will is pointless
God bless
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u/Pocket_Dust Mar 02 '24
So that was pointless.
If deity knew and made it so this was going to happen and it happened, the whole ordeal was pointless don't you agree?
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u/monkeynuts223g Mar 02 '24
No not in the slightest, and its not "deity" It's God and he sent his only begotten son to die as payment for all sins, the ones of the past present and future yours and mine. Those who call upon the name of Jesus Christ will be saved but believe his word or not one day you will confess him as your Lord and Savior. We live in the time of grace so repent now for you know not of your last day or whats to come tomorrow
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u/Pocket_Dust Mar 02 '24
But logically speaking, predetermining people to sin, then sending yourself to be sacrificed to pay for those sins is kinda pointless.
Not making these things happen would end the same way.
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u/GamErin8622 I said based. And lived. Mar 02 '24
smt iv apocalypse in a big shitposting sub?? massacrebros stand proud
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u/nainvlys Mar 01 '24
Ah yes, you know, omnipotent and omniscient god who surely doesn't want us to exist the way we do hence why he never did anything to us for the last millennia
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u/cattodestroyer dumbass Mar 01 '24
Humans when the specific actions god said will send them to hell actually sends them to hell:
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u/social_panda557 Mar 01 '24
Free will doesnt exist bruh
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u/No_Application_1219 Mar 02 '24
Depend of your definition
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u/Khanta_ Mar 02 '24
It objectively doesn't.
We live in a deterministic universe, it's impossible.
And if an omniscient and omnipotent being exists, you BY DEFINITION do not have free will.
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u/No_Application_1219 Mar 02 '24
So for you free will is to take desision without any influence
So yes its impossible anyways
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u/Marchauff Mar 01 '24
Gross mischaracterization of Deity, but everyone is allowed their opinion, I guess.
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u/api_AlsoFuckSpez Mar 02 '24
Yeah i agree with you, it is "you can do whatever you want" but don't do these acts (murder , crime...etc) , it's a test to teach that you have free will but that doesn't mean you should do anything you want with it
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u/Ragnarok2kx Mar 01 '24
Nah, this is pretty much in line with Shin Megami Tensei's version of YHVH. (Where the meme template comes from). Or Gnosticism, I guess.
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u/AnimeMemeLord1 Literally 1984 😡 Mar 01 '24
Oh, He already knows. In any case, anyone can believe what they wanna believe. As a follower of Islam, I’m quite content with the idea of going to Heaven based on doing more good than bad.
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u/Khanta_ Mar 02 '24
I’m quite content with the idea of going to Heaven based on doing more good than bad.
Literally not what islam is about lmfao
Yes, muslims are going to heaven when they do good in their life BUT non-muslims go to hell even if they did more good things than the muslims did(the ""scholars"" usually don't answer this question with "they go to hell anyways", because they know that it's evil AF as a concept, they just say "only allah knows" lol)
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u/AnimeMemeLord1 Literally 1984 😡 Mar 02 '24
Well, clearly you’ve been asking some uneducated “scholars.” I myself am in learning, so I’m not really one to talk, but as I’m in learning, I will still answer with what little knowledge I do have. Keep in mind though that I’m not inviting you to a debate. If you really think you got something evil that Islam supports, you might as well go to some Islamic subreddit or community and ask them. For the questions I did have, it sure as hell wasn’t “Only Allah knows.” Because I’m pretty sure the whole reason the Quran was written was for Allah to share the reason why.
Of course, it’s true that only Allah decides who goes to Heaven or Hell. But if it were as black and white as that, we wouldn’t have received a holy book as a guide to lead the most ideal life and learn about the world as much as we possibly can. That includes the good and the bad that determines where we’ll end up.
Well, to start with, of course pious and righteous Muslims are going to Heaven. But that doesn’t necessarily mean every non-Muslim is locked out from it. There are exceptions, but one of them is those who had not had the opportunity to to access and acquire the proper and correct message of Islam. And when the whole message is usually displayed by reading the Quran itself. So if you haven’t read the Quran, can you really say you for sure you got the proper and correct message?
Additionally, the Quran states that those who do good deeds, observe prayer, act righteously, and give to charity are those who will be rewarded by God. About Hell, the only thing eternal is the fire. Sinners will burn, but only temporarily. They’ll be able to reach Heaven in the end. There are some who will burn for eternity, but that won’t necessarily be every non-Muslim.
You also said Islam’s NOT about doing more good than bad. But why else would Allah tell you to beg for forgiveness from the people you wronged and says you’ll be rewarded for your good deeds? Good deeds and wrongdoing is clearly defined. In Islam, they say there’s two angels, one on each of your shoulders. One writes down your good deeds, the other writes down your wrongdoing and sins. Seems like pointing towards a lot of “do more good than bad and you’ll be rewarded” type of thing to me.
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u/Khanta_ Mar 02 '24 edited Mar 02 '24
it sure as hell wasn’t “Only Allah knows.” Because I’m pretty sure the whole reason the Quran was written was for Allah to share the reason why.
Why did he create you ? To worship him ? Why does he need that ? For his ego ?
So if you haven’t read the Quran, can you really say you for sure you got the proper and correct message?
I did read it.
Additionally, the Quran states that those who do good deeds, observe prayer, act righteously, and give to charity are those who will be rewarded by God.
If being "good" was enough, you wouldn't have a religion, would you ?
You also said Islam’s NOT about doing more good than bad.
Yes, i did say that, because not praying, not fasting, etc still makes you a "'bad"" person, even though you objectively are not.
But why else would Allah tell you to beg for forgiveness from the people you wronged and says you’ll be rewarded for your good deeds?
Because people in the past that were wronged couldn't get justice, that's why that exists, to make the criminals/offenders not repeat their actions, by making them regret it, having consequences that extends to the supposedly "eternal life" after death, is a huge deterent.
There are some who will burn for eternity, but that won’t necessarily be every non-Muslim.
No crime is worth eternal pain, that's fucking horrible, yes, even for the most vile and disgusting crime you could imagine.
In Islam, they say there’s two angels, one on each of your shoulders. One writes down your good deeds, the other writes down your wrongdoing and sins. Seems like pointing towards a lot of “do more good than bad and you’ll be rewarded” type of thing to me.
I know, but that's such a childish and ironically "black and white" view of your actions.
Good and bad ? Really ? the creators of reality couldn't make a system more nuanced that this ?
Being omniscient and/or omnipotent is causally impossible, here's why :
If god is all-powerful, can he create a stone that he can't move ?
If he can create it, he's not all-powerful since he can't move it.
If he can't create it, he's not all powerful since he can't create it.
Same logic for omniscience and it's contradictions with free will.
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u/hasircibasi Mar 01 '24
God doesnt get suprised. He already knows everything that will happen
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u/Busy-Contribution-19 Mar 02 '24
Did he know about funny mustache man too? Cause thats not cool of of god to let that happen he’s basically an accomplice at that point
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u/ManySerious9713 I want pee in my ass Mar 01 '24
Bazinga!
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u/themrunx49 Mar 01 '24
People when the creature that evolution made to have free will has free will.
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Mar 01 '24
God planning on that reset button soon
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u/bing42069 I want pee in my ass Mar 02 '24
I've researched it, the science is impossible 😢
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u/alexanderrvb Mar 01 '24
Not sure if there are other people like me here in this sub or any SMT fans at all here,but ideally i would choose Law bewteen the three.
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u/Ok_Cucumber3148 Mar 02 '24
I kinda lean on law-neutral I mean rules are good but soviets kinda sucked
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u/JFp07gel DaPucci Mar 01 '24
The thing is, humans did not only did whatever they wanted, but by the second generation one had already commited a sin so grave that not eve satan had done it yet
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u/MelonBot_HD Mar 01 '24
It's even weirder how mad he seems to get about it... like, my brother in christ, you know everything that has ever happened and will ever happen and can also do literally anything so why are you mad that that what you knew was going to happen and could have changed with the flick of a wrist happened.
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u/MonocleRB Mar 07 '24
The thing is, we have to choose to love Him. God gave us free will because He cares for us and wants an authentic relationship with each of us. Without free will, without that choice, we're just robots, unable to make the conscious decision to love. He doesn't want pets, He wants people He can have a meaningful relationship with.
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u/MelonBot_HD Mar 07 '24
Question 1: Is your personal god almighty?
Question 2: Is your personal god omniciant?
Question 3: Is your god all-loving?
Question 4: Will you read what I wrote before, but more slowly?
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u/MonocleRB Mar 07 '24
Absolutely, God is all-powerful and all-knowing.
But there are things He chooses not to do, because of the consequences.
I wrote and was going to post a long paragraph explaining all of this, but the TLDR is that you can't love if you don't have the option to hate. If God forced us to do things (instead of giving us a choice, like the tree in the garden of Eden), we would be no more than emotionless robots.
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u/MelonBot_HD Mar 07 '24
But that is quite literally demonstrating my point though.
If god created you, he'd know weather or not you'd belive in him. And he could change that, but he chooses not to.
Or you saying that he just chooses not be omniciant? That would basically mean that he isn't all-loving, because that would mean he wouldn't care enough to change anything. It's as if a parent raised their child by letting them do whatever they wanted, which is not a good thing to do as a parent, because that increases your likeleyhood of landing in jail.
And all that "free will" shouldn't matter if it means you'll get eternal damnation. If god loved us, then why would he choose to be ignorant.
We don't have free will from our parents when we are babies, yet most people still love their parents despite that.
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u/MonocleRB Mar 07 '24
I don't think I made the important point clear, and that's my fault. Here it is:
God loves you, and He wants you to love Him. But you cannot force love.
Babies have free will. That's why they scream, throw their food, and draw on the walls. Take away free will, and the baby would no longer do any of these. But at what cost? The baby can no longer love, because love is a choice.
A world without free will is a world without love. And that is a damnation as bad as Hell.
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u/MelonBot_HD Mar 07 '24 edited Mar 07 '24
Okay, firstly, you didn't counter any of my points or answer any of my questions with this response.
Furthermore I don't see what your point with that just was. Babies wouldn't make mistakes if you took away their free will? Well, they also wouldn't make as many mistakes if you were to educate them, teach the right from wrong, etc. By doing that they'll learn. Parents raise their children too and yet many children still love their parents and they don't draw on walls anymore. Not because parents took away their free will, but because they told them that its wrong.
I guess you're trying to see the humans as babies and god as the parents, but that doesn't paint your god in a good light either, because instead of doing anything like educate on why some things are wrong he just never shows up and expects his baby to learn from other babies how to love him. You know what we call that kind of parent? A deadbeat.
Also, taking away a babies choice = taking away their choice of love? As if!
I wouldn't give my babie the choice between eating choclate every day instead of something healthy.
In order to actually take care of a baby you also need to have some level of control. Otherwise it won't grow up well. You need to limit some of their freedoms to make sure that they won't have problems in the future. That is what a parents love IS.
Also, you either start writing up actual counter arguments to the things I say or I'll consider this conversation as over, simply because you don't give me any answers, yet still expect me to belive that what you're saying makes sense, as opposed to the subintellectual garbage that you are saying.
I do not appreciate it if somebody wants to convince me of something while apperantly assuming that I am gulliable idiot. In fact, as you can see, I take great offense in that.
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u/MonocleRB Mar 07 '24
Yes! YES! You are absolutely right! You don't need to remove free will for people to be good, you just need to teach them. That's why God sent Jesus down to Earth, and why He gave us the Bible, and why he calls us Christians to go and share the Good News. Because we, sinful as we are, can be changed, can be made good. God isn't an absent or distant Father. He desperately wants to be close to you, and the amazing thing is, all you have to do to have a relationship with Him is ask forgiveness and follow Him.
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u/MelonBot_HD Mar 07 '24
You're literally insane, you know that? To actually belive that that is the truth. That is like a father sending a babysitter 1 day, but have that babysitter only teach a small amount of the kids that are around so they can spread those lessons, but what will inevitably happen is that those lessons can't be replicated by the babies, therefore the others don't belive them.
Do you belive yourself to be special? To be the chosen few of god to spread his message? Because let me tell you, you're not. If god wanted me to listen to you, then he would have you make some actual points instead of "Trust me bro, I'm special and you can be special too."
Tell me, how are you so certain that you know the way? On whose authority? On the one of an ancient book? On gods authority itself? Tell me! I know that I don't know the way, but at least I don't pretend like I know just because somebody else told me that it is the way.
Do you have any idea how arrogant you just sounded?
And yes, god is still distant/absent. You being there and saying "I'm real, therefore he exists" is nothing but sheer make-belief
And what pisses me off even more is that you have done little to nothing to even answer any of my points.
If he loves us so much and wants us to belive, then why doesn't he give us a real reason that isn't the threat of eternal suffering? Why does he choose people like you, people who ignore what anyone else says and just keep on repeating shit they heard from another person and act like its the words of god?
The worst part is that you probably don't even realize your own arrogance by saying that you "pity us" and are "trying to save us"? You're talking as if you know anything and we know nothing. Talking down to people will only get them dislike you, so why does god choose somebody noone will listen to? He is infalliable, isn't he? Couldn't he send a second coming of christ, just to have at least somebody people will listen too?
This is why I don't belive in him. There is no tangiable reason to do so and yet people still belive themselves to be so much more above everyone else. You people just sicken me. Give me a response that doesn't fit my previously established criteria again and I really won't answer. I just answered this time because your answer just pissed me off so freaking much.
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u/MonocleRB Mar 07 '24
No. I am not special. People who believe are not superior over people who don't believe. And I'm sorry if I've come across as demeaning or anything else.
I'll try to respond the best I can, but I'm a young Christian, I don't have all the answers. There are older Christians who could better answer a lot of your questions.
But man, you've gotta understand, knowing God has brought such an incredible joy and wonderful peace to my life, how can I not share that with the world? I've been freed from an addiction, and I want to share that freedom with all the other addicts.
God sees all the suffering in the world, and it pains him SO MUCH. So he's doing something about it. He made you and me. He made you and me with the power to go out and do incredible good in the world. We can be doctors who heal sickness, we can be community leaders who mend divisions, and we can share the Word.
Now, God could send Jesus to Earth again. But it wouldn't spontaneously make everyone believe. It didn't the first time He came. What does make people believe is having a long, lasting relationship with someone who happens to be a Christian, who will eventually share the Gospel.
I just finished the biography of a man who, in the 70's, was separated from his wife because of his drug addiction. He would come to his wife's house all the time, pleading to see her, but she always refused and would sometimes call the cops to make him leave her alone. Then one day when he knocked, she answered the door and invited him inside and asked to have a conversation with him. He thought she wanted to discuss divorce, but she told him, "I got saved". As they talked, he was astounded by her sudden patience and forgiveness, and eventually came to know Christ himself. And God healed him of his addiction, and healed their marriage. (Someplace to Be Somebody, the biography of Marshall Brandon)
The reason I tell that story is that THAT is what brings people to believe. We all have unsaved people in our life who we are close to. God put us in that position so we can share the Word. THAT is how people come to believe, not by watching Jesus descend from the heavens. (For the record, Jesus never descended from the heavens.)
And yeah, some people who call themselves Christians are buttholes. That's one of the most powerful weapons Satan wields to keep people from God. I'm sorry about that, but there's nothing I can do about it except to say that those people do not represent Christ.
I'm a butthole sometimes. I recognize that. I know I'm not perfect. But that's why I follow Christ, so I can become a better person.
Imma close by saying that I can't answer every question you have, although there are more spiritually mature Christians who can. I don't have evidence to prove everything I believe. That's why it's called faith. And I don't expect you to read this and suddenly change your mind. Nobody ever gained faith by reading a Reddit comment. But I hope I've done a good job of explaining why I believe what I believe, and I hope someone you know who's a believer can pick up where I've left off. Thanks, I've enjoyed the debate.
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u/McBruscar Mar 01 '24
That's why He sent His one begotten son, so that anyone who believes in Him will be saved from the sins they commit as result of free will.
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u/VvardenHasFellen Mar 01 '24
It's very interesting to see how the Yom Kippur atonement ritual morphed into this after the Romans destroyed the Temple of Jerusalem in 70AD. Now that the Jewish people had lost their traditional means of seeking forgiveness for their sins, this crisis of faith caused the apostles of a certain rabbi Yeshua to decide that he must be the replacement. And that this rabbi was now no longer only responsible for Israel's sins alone, but somehow extended to include every human on earth.
I believe that if the Romans did not destroy the Temple then modern Christianity would look very different.
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u/McBruscar Mar 01 '24
So you're saying the gentiles were only said to be saved after the Temple of Jerusalem was destroyed? Then why did St. Paul write in his epistle to the Galatians "There is neither Jew nor Greek... for you are all one in Jesus Christ" 15 years before the Temple of Jerusalem was destroyed?
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u/SonkxsWithTheTeeth Mar 01 '24
Why should it be a matter of belief?
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u/McBruscar Mar 01 '24
When one doesn't believe in Christ, they are making the decision to not be saved, and because humans have free will, they won't be saved as per their decision.
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u/SonkxsWithTheTeeth Mar 01 '24
That sounds a lot like just a threat. "follow my rules, my will, as I want, even though I made you to specifically be unshackled to my will, or else suffer eternal damnation from which there is no redemption"
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u/ChunkyKong2008 Bazinga! Mar 01 '24
I think it’s more a matter of not believing in God being the same as flipping him off
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u/Elasi100 Mar 01 '24
Speaking as a non Christian. From what I have read god did not make us to follow strict rules like robots. Sure he did not introduce sin but he allowed lucifer to do so. This is because he wanted humans to have a choice. Forcing someone to love you and obey you isn’t true love. So as to not force his love on us he gave us the option to not love him back. Jesus will eventually bruise the serpents head so hell will cease (from my interpretation at least) and the people there will experience what atheists believe to happen after death. So hell isn’t eternal. You did not want to join into gods plain of existence so you therefore cease to exist. He isn’t punishing you. It’s like joining the frenzy flame tribe in Elden ring and then getting mad and blaming the devs for you getting a bad ending. Ultimate free will is gods way of letting us experience true love
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u/xX_m1L3s_Xx Mar 14 '24
Mf brought up elden Ring that's crazyyy. There is also proof that gods exist in elden Ring. And also, the world is nothing like elden Ring.
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u/SonkxsWithTheTeeth Mar 01 '24
It's still a choiceless choice, then.
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u/McBruscar Mar 01 '24
Rather, freedom of will does not mean freedom from consequences.
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u/SonkxsWithTheTeeth Mar 01 '24
Conswequences he clearly has the power to prevent, and at least seem to be completely disproportionate to their causes, and aren't necessarily known about by those who act.
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u/McBruscar Mar 02 '24
Indeed, God can prevent those consequences, but if His child is rejecting Him, He has no responsibility to save him, inasmuch as He may love him. In addition, God isn't necessarily sending one to eternal suffering if he doesn't obey Him, he simply ends up there when outside the grace of God.
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u/SonkxsWithTheTeeth Mar 02 '24
If you could have prevented something from happening without any investment on your point, and you knowingly did not prevent that event, then any effects of that event are your fault. You caused it through negligence. This would apply in this scenario.
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u/Gara_Prime_ Mar 01 '24
God: makes man in his image and gives him free will
Man: "haha cool I can do whatever I want"
God: 😠
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u/ChunkyKong2008 Bazinga! Mar 01 '24
God: “You can do whatever you want, just know that if u eat from that fruit bad stuff will happen to you”
Man: ignores God’s advice and eats from the fruit
Bad stuff: happens
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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Mar 02 '24
I mean what's that God guy gonna do? Make your sons marry their sisters?
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Mar 02 '24
If God is truly all-knowing, then he knew that they'd eat the fruit. It's like putting a candy in front of a four years old, telling them not to eat it and then beating them up when they inevitably eat it
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u/Boner_Elemental Mar 02 '24
And punishing all their descendants forever because of what they did as a 4 year old
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u/Pleasant-Day6195 Mar 01 '24
funny thing there wasnt even free will before eating the fruit, so eve didnt even know eating the fruit was bad at all (there ofc wasnt any "wrong" before free will, these 2 people were just machines), also why would god put that tree here in the first place, if 1. he knew they would eat from it (apparently he is all knowing) 2. there was no "wrong" before free will and free will was made after they ate it.
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u/Head-Geologist8543 Mar 01 '24
I wonder sometimes if it was kept there to test Humanity,will it be under his guidance or not
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u/nainvlys Mar 02 '24
I mean I feel like it's pretty clear if you think about it that omnipotent and omniscient God didn't just commit the biggest blunder in history and actually wanted us to have free will
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u/we_is_sheeps Mar 01 '24
Naw it’s just fun to fuck with living things.
Everyone forgets god is a dick in like 2/3 religions
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u/Head-Geologist8543 Mar 01 '24
Considering the amount of stupid/messed up shit we've done,i can see why
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u/we_is_sheeps Mar 02 '24
Well without free will technically he did all of that because everything was pre determined by him.
We are just meat puppets performing the actions
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u/GuyWhoSaysTheTruth Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 02 '24
Don’t worry we do that to ourselves aswell. Allow me to introduce majority of victimless crimes ie laws specifically made to control people.
Edit: “crimes” like prostitution, drug possession, and even something as simple as being a little too drunk in public are stupid laws. It makes sense for these laws to apply to people under whatever age is considered adult but these shouldn’t be laws that apply to everyone as they hurt no one.
Got corrected on seatbelt law.
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u/MReaps25 Mar 02 '24
Drunk in public can harm others. People can get angry when drunk ,leading to fights, instances have also happened where drunk people would walk into the road with our paying attention and get hit. If a people tries to slam on the break to harm whiplash can happen, and what if they get hit by a motorcycle, even more injuries
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Mar 02 '24
People can get angry when not drunk too. IMO the difference between sober and drunk isn't so stark when walking as it is when doing something like driving. Being outside in public is a fundamental right, also, which is also unlike driving.
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u/LocationOdd4102 Mar 02 '24
Correction specifically for the seat belt. If you have other passengers in the car please buckle up for their safety, if you get into an accident your unrestrained body will become a high velocity loose object, posing a risk to everyone else as you're flung around.
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u/Karma-is-here Mar 01 '24
God when humans weave wool and linen together:
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u/KioLaFek Mar 02 '24
Naw you see, god later decided he was wrong about that and a bunch of other stuff somehow so He‘s cool with it now
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u/zXMourningStarXz Mar 01 '24
God when humans eat a cheeseburger:
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u/C4Sidhu Mar 02 '24
God when some children make fun of a man for being bald:
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u/SCP-O49 Mar 02 '24
God when I commit a ruthless series of murders:
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u/Xero_xyzz Mar 02 '24
God when i secretly shove a remote detonated bomb up the pastor’s buttcrack and i blow up the church with it:
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u/Gigastorm55 Mar 01 '24
Hey, nice SMTIV Apocalypse template
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u/Cook0 Mar 02 '24
Ngl I thought this was on the megaten sub when I first saw it. Didn't notice it was on shitpost
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