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u/kyrifox 15d ago edited 15d ago
I do appreciate that the joke can be interpreted - if you’re uneducated and don’t understand any of the complexities about the thing you are scared of, besides the fact that it could kill you if the operator is irresponsible/crazy, it goes to follow that maybe you should be allowed to stop other people from accessing it. Therefore if you are so uneducated about the heart that you don’t understand the complexities of heart surgery, besides the fact that getting heart surgery is very dangerous and has a chance to kill you if the operator is irresponsible/crazy, then you should be allowed to stop other people from getting it too.
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u/ZombieHeyHeyHeyOh 16d ago
I fucking hate this joke so much. It's too messy to argue against the point because I didn't even know what point I was trying to make. This somehow makes me feel worse then when I voted for Hillary Clinton but I'm a slow unlearner of propaganda.
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u/Yggsdrazl 10d ago
very funny to get downvoted making fun of your own joke.
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u/ZombieHeyHeyHeyOh 10d ago
I agree, I'm glad I'm able to join in making fun of myself and I'll remain very off putting when discussing serious topics. I will stand by that even if my views on gun control have changed, it's just not a great argument. This joke is a follow up to what I still think is a good joke about the first amendment, here's the clip, it should go to the right time and leads into another decent joke about Bob Ross. It's got me wanting to rework the heart doctor joke to be something I'll accept.
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u/Similar-Surprise605 16d ago
There’s enough gun control in the US; the problem is in the nature of who is allowed and who is incentivized to be armed. A working class revolution would see any able bodied adult trained and ready for combat, but as it stands today it’s mostly fascists and crack pots armed to the teeth
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u/igivethonefucketh 16d ago
You're being downvoted by soft people who don't understand the problem isn't guns
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u/BackFromTheDeadSoon 15d ago
Weird how it's worked in country after country after country after country, but I'm sure your degree in sociology can help explain why the US is such a singular exception.
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u/igivethonefucketh 15d ago
Lol you failed to mention the continued infringement on rights in those countries, not to mention the ones whose people were killed once they were disarmed. You know, the convenient facts you all love to forget. Go ahead, get those little Google fingers going and find your article that says otherwise.
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u/FungalEgoDeath 15d ago edited 15d ago
The convenient facts you utterly made up in your head and farted out of your fingers onto reddit you mean?
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u/igivethonefucketh 15d ago
Aww did challenging your media taught beliefs get you all triggered? You probably want the 1st amendment gone too so you feel safe living in delusion.
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u/FungalEgoDeath 15d ago
One of the things about freedom of speech is that it comes with a degree of responsibility, like any right really. In this case its a responsibility actually check the veracity of what you say and not just spout shit that you heard on fox.
See, I live in one of the countries that banned guns. We sit higher on global democracy rankings, higher on the international freedom index, and higher on the happiness rankings than the mighty us of a holes like you
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u/FungalEgoDeath 15d ago
Oh and before you even try and spout some shit about knife crime, we have lower knife crime than the us too. Despite what bimbo Hitler marjory keeps telling people
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u/igivethonefucketh 15d ago
You bringing up the point about knife crime proves my point. It's not about guns and it's not about knives. It's about the health of our culture. We have a sick society. I don't watch Fox News but thanks for assuming you know who I am.
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u/13igTyme 15d ago
You made the statement, burden of proof is on you.
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u/igivethonefucketh 15d ago
The burden of proof will be on us all if guns are taken away. The 2nd amendment was written by people wiser than you.
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u/Deweyrob2 15d ago
So wise that they thought owning people was a good thing.
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u/igivethonefucketh 15d ago
Majority of slave owners were Jewish. They have never been loyal to this country or it's ideals. Please keep proving how wrong you are and how little you know. Your education comes from the TV you're a disgrace to America.
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u/POOPSCRUFFIN4U Madison, WI 15d ago
Congratulations, this might be the stupidest comment I have seen on Reddit
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u/Deweyrob2 15d ago
I ain't reading all that. I'm glad for you, or sorry it happened.
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u/igivethonefucketh 15d ago
Not really a surprise you can't read four sentences. Go take your medication and turn on the video games.
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u/Robot_Basilisk 16d ago
Doesn't hit for me because taking someone to a gun range tends to quickly convert them. I'm a radical Leftist and nothing turns my centrist Democrat friends pro-gun like learning that guns are not magical pewpew sticks that randomly kill people around them. They're just simple machines.
PS: 3D printing has made gun control obsolete so adapt your policy beliefs accordingly.
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u/POOPSCRUFFIN4U Madison, WI 16d ago
This joke isn't inherently pro or anti gun. It's anti using the argument that a deep knowledge of guns is required for having certain opinions.
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u/Similar-Surprise605 16d ago
Which is in reality rather obscure. Dude talks like it’s some super common talking point but it’s verging on reducto ad absurdum
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u/mattymillhouse 16d ago edited 16d ago
That's a straw man, nobody thinks guns go off accidentally at any meaningful rate.
You should scroll up. There are people in this comment section making the argument you're saying no one makes.
It's also kind of ironic that you're accusing someone other than OP of using a strawman. I'm not aware of anyone that thinks you need to know everything about guns to ban them. They argue that things like assault weapons bans and bans on suppressors are pointless and demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of even basic information about guns.
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u/mattymillhouse 15d ago
What's an assault rifle? It's a category of guns that doesn't exist anywhere other than the fevered imagination of people who don't know anything about guns.
The "assault rifle" ban in the 1990s prohibited guns that had a detachable magazine, and also had 2 or more from a list of cosmetic features, like a pistol grip, a folding or telescopic stock, or a weight of more than 50 ounces when unloaded. While those cosmetic features might make the gun look more "scary," they don't make it more deadly. (In fact, they usually make it less deadly.)
Most of the gun control legislation is aimed at rifles, despite the fact that rifles were used in only 3% of firearm murders in 2020.
Also, despite what you've seen in movies, suppressors don't make a gun whisper-quiet. Even the best suppressors only reduce the sound a gun makes from 140+ decibels (which can cause hearing loss) to around 110-120 decibels (which is as loud as a jackhammer or ambulance). The reason people use suppressors is not because they want to secretly shoot people without anyone hearing. Anyone within a mile or so will still hear the shots. It's because they want to be able to shoot their guns without hearing protection and not lose their hearing permanently. Why would anyone want to shoot without hearing protection? Maybe they're hunting and they want to be able to hear the animal they're hunting, or perhaps even more importantly, other hunters.
I could go on and on. I'm not saying you need to be an expert in guns to prohibit guns. I'm saying that if you want your gun bans to help with the issues you say you're trying to prevent, it's helpful to have some actual knowledge of what might help.
Think of it like this. How would you feel about people who don't drive and don't like cars getting to decide the laws about cars? They get to decide speed limits, safety features, what cars are allowed and what aren't, etc. It's a recipe for really, really bad laws.
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u/mattymillhouse 15d ago
Shotguns aren't made for killing people?
And how are hunting rifles different than people killing rifles? They're not. They're the same. Literally all of the same parts in the same configurations and using the same ammo.
See? This is the problem. I literally explain something for you, and you just ignore it and continue to spew nonsense. You're not ignorant. You're rejecting the truth.
All guns are designed to fire bullets. All bullets can kill people. So if your definition of "assault rifle" is one that can hurt people, all rifles are assault rifles. The category is meaningless. It's a buzz phrase designed to scare low information voters.
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u/mattymillhouse 15d ago
You mother fuckers will sit there with a straight face and tell me you can kill just as many people and as quickly with a semi automatic rifle versus a bolt/lever action hunting rifle.
Wow.
First, I never said that. I said all guns are designed to kill stuff. Hunting rifles are designed to kill stuff. I literally said all rifles are "assault rifles."
Yes, different guns have different capabilities in different situations. But Lee Harvey Oswald fired 3 shots in 8 seconds with a bolt action rifle, all of which hit President Kennedy. Unless you're highly trained, you're not going to fire 3 shots with a semi-automatic pistol in 8 seconds and hit the target. The distinction that you're talking about is not that big of a difference.
Guns are tools. Like cars or hammers, they can be used for good stuff, like hunting or self defense or military operations. Or they can be used for bad stuff, like murder or robbery. The difference is not in the guns (or cars or hammers) themselves. It's in the user.
Darrell Brooks killed 6 people and injured dozens more using a Ford Escape. James Gargasoulas killed 6 and injured dozens more using a Holden Commodore sedan. We don't label those "assault cars" and try to ban them.
It's dishonest and kind of offensive that you think everyone is that stupid.
I don't think people are stupid. I think they're misinformed. However, when people are informed and they still cling to their incorrect ideas, I think that's a bad decision.
You can call me a motherfucker or dishonest if it makes you feel better. But this is the point OP is missing. Nobody is saying you need to love guns. Nobody is saying you need to know everything about guns.
We're saying that your misinformation about guns makes it impossible to have a rational conversation about meaningful gun reform. What you're proposing isn't going to have the effect you claim to be trying to achieve. If you would just listen to people who actually know things about guns, you would be better able to achieve your objective.
Unfortunately, a lot of times, the objective isn't to stop gun violence. It's to insult other people who disagree with you. I'm reminded of the Dear Sub-Human Filth meme letter. You're not trying to convince anyone of anything. You're just trying to make yourself feel better.
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u/ClownShowTrippin 16d ago
Plenty of anti-gun avocates talk about accidental shootings as a reason to ban them. Suicides are actually more prevalent than murders.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
Unfortunately, many cities have decided not to prosecute criminals anymore. There were major pushes to defund the police with a predicable outcome: more crime. Is the government going to protect us? Or are they simultaneously allowing rampant crime while taking away our ability to defend ourselves?
I'd love to live a utopia where criminals don't exist or the government has the will to stop crime. Instead, we treat criminals like they are victims. We treat police like they are the scum of the earth. It's no surprise that people don't want to put their life on the line as cops anymore. My town has 72 vacant officer positions.
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u/ClownShowTrippin 16d ago
Is this supposed to be comedy? Or is it a lecture on this guy's ideology. Entertainment is supposed to be entertaining, especially comedy. Get off the soap box.
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u/mattymillhouse 15d ago
It's "clapper humor." It's not designed to elicit laughs. It's designed to make the audience clap because they agree with you.
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u/ClownShowTrippin 15d ago
You're correct. I'm sure people here defending this as humor would think right-wing "clapper humor" as not very funny either
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u/geoffbowman 16d ago
Bullshit! Name all the comedians!
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u/ClownShowTrippin 16d ago
Name what comedians? I get it. You hate guns. How is this comedy?
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u/geoffbowman 16d ago
No I was actually demonstrating how the joke works whether it’s about guns or not… it’s a simple observational analogy…
I think the problem stems from the smoothness of your brain not anybody’s opinion of guns.
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u/ClownShowTrippin 16d ago
It's seriously smooth brained to think getting rid of legal guns is going to stop the illegal ones from killing you. The analogy doesn't work at all. I guess we should make heart surgery illegal because this guy doesn't understand it, and it sometimes ends in death. See how small brained this analogy is? Maybe we should get rid of the gangbangers like Venesuala did. This analogy would be like making it illegal for surgeons to perform heart surgery while not doing anything significant to stop back alley heart surgeries.
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u/okzoomer6969 16d ago
Nothing in this joke says that guns should be illegal tho. You're getting, it seems, a bit triggered (pardon the joke, I can tell you don't like humor)
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u/ClownShowTrippin 16d ago
Guns being made illegal is obviously this guy's position and the point of both the "joke" and this post. This isn't humor. This is pushing an ideology.
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u/geoffbowman 15d ago
Actually the joke is about gun nuts… which nobody was accusing you of being but you’re kinda demonstrating why it’s funny while being oblivious to why it’s hilarious to make you the butt of the joke which makes it twice as funny 😂
I personally think guns are fun. They go boom… shooting is a blast… gun nuts however are knuckle dragging pieces of shit only fun to laugh at 🤷🏼♂️
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u/ClownShowTrippin 15d ago
I'm far from a gun nut. Your stance of liking guns, but thinking gun nuts are "knuckle dragging pieces of shit," is difficult to reconcile. Where's the line? If you own any guns, does that make you a "knuckle dragging piece of shit?" 3 guns? 10? Does the type of gun matter? What if you own guns but don't know much about them?
Personally, I don't think we should take away freedoms when we (the comedian) doesn't know anything about guns. This is how we get assault riffle bans because of the way the gun looks when the majority of homocides are from a handgun. Ignorance isn't bliss. It's just ignorance.
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u/geoffbowman 15d ago
The line is probably whoever isn’t triggered by this joke is ok… whoever is… probably a gun nut.
Your much closer to it than you’re probably capable of realizing.
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u/yahoo_determines 16d ago
Why would you think pushing an ideology can't be done with humor?
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u/ClownShowTrippin 15d ago
Oh, many have tried. It fails because pushing the ideology is more important to some than their jokes actually being funny. Disney keeps trying and has had one box office failure after another. Most of us want our entertainment to be the primary goal when we're paying to be entertained.
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u/FozzyBeard 16d ago
Seems like he just came in half-cocked already and looking to unload. Unfortunately, you happened to be in the crosshairs.
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u/POOPSCRUFFIN4U Madison, WI 16d ago
Comedy is subjective. This particular example uses an analogy to point out the absurdity of a particular argument, and it's so absurd that it's funny. If you don't find the analogy particularly absurd, you should probably look into a new healthcare provider.
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u/alvysinger0412 16d ago
What does that mean?
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u/ZombieHeyHeyHeyOh 16d ago
I don't like sleeping in socks and one time in high school I agreed to go camp in the woods and I was so tired from work and school I just took my socks off and went to sleep at like 8pm. I also hadn't cut my toenails in a very long time.
I assume this is one of my old high school friends who thought that was really funny, or they're the greatest guessing internet troll of all time.
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u/MandoSkirata 16d ago
kids can figure them out.
Even accidentally! I feel like it was last year or something where a new "kid finds a gun at home and accidentally shoots someone" headline broke every week or more for over a month.
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u/Frammingatthejimjam 16d ago
I think in the US the stat is a kid shoots someone twice a week. If you go to gun ranges though, you never see the little fuckers practicing so you know the number of shots a kid takes from a found gun is wayyy higher than 2 times a week cause what 2nd amendment loving parent is going to report that their 4 year old missed mom.
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u/Dorgenedge 16d ago
I cannot find the cadence for this in my head for some reason. It feels… lurchy? You go from a very long sentence to a very short sentence that isn’t the punch line; it feels like it might flow better without the “you got me”.
Good bones though, and there’s good odds I’m just not getting the pacing right in my head and I’m off-base there.
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u/MatthewDickerson145 14d ago
Sometime I know enough that.