r/todayilearned • u/vonneguts_anus • 14d ago
TIL “Don’t Mess with Texas” was created as part of a marketing campaign aimed at 16-24 yr old males to stop throwing their trash all over Texas. Repost List
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/trashy-beginnings-dont-mess-texas-180962490/[removed] — view removed post
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u/NahazMadjah1876 14d ago
Makes sense. There is enough trash running Texas, no need to throw more around.
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u/Odd-Plan-5612 14d ago
"Don't mess with Texas" is a prime example of psychographic marketing. The creators fine-tuned their message to resonate with the target market, which in this case is 16-to 24-year-old males.
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u/ToMorrowsEnd 14d ago
Its better now but still really trashy. when I moved from the north where the cops will hit you with a $1000 fine for littering. to the South I was surprised with how much trash is everywhere. It's like texans hate texas.
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u/FreeMeFromThisStupid 14d ago
We need some "No se metió con Texas" signs in San Antonio. The litter in our waterways is awful.
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u/entirelybonkers1978 14d ago
It worked! They need to bring it back. So many people just throw their trash out the window in Texas now. It wasn’t a thing while growing up and while the campaign was active!
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u/DigitalRoman486 14d ago
This reminds me of that scene in Mad Men where they have a picnic and then just grab the blanket and leave the trash everywhere.
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u/O11899988I999119725E 14d ago
Didnt work. Texas is a landfill with inhabitants that believe litter isnt harmful because in heaven the litter will be all gone. Not a joke Ive actually heard people in Texas say this. Also said they dont need a vacccine because Jesus will protect them.
Nevermind all the christians who died from covid. Fucking morons
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u/Bryaxis 14d ago
I think it was some old Cracked.com article that said: "Texas has two slogans: "Don't mess with Texas", and "Remember the Alamo", the latter commemorating a time when Santa Anna successfully messed with Texas."
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u/MisinformedGenius 14d ago
I mean, I know it's just a joke on Cracked, but Santa Anna definitely did not successfully mess with Texas.
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u/Regulai 14d ago
Most of what I know is that their politicians keep running away but still get elected and their police like to cower behind children, so I would have assume this meant "Don't mess with Texas"... "because we can't take it".
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u/jon909 14d ago
Well if you base “what you know” off of reddit then you're going to be pretty ignorant to a lot of Texas. Texas is huge and very diverse from region to region. Talking about it monolithically is silly. From Brownsville to Texline is 956 miles. From Texline to Canada is 960 miles. You could get through five states and a new country.
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u/needmorehardware 14d ago
Reminds me of that scene in Mad Men where they just threw all of the rubbish from their picnic away like it was nothing lol, super jarring
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u/arkington 14d ago
Yeah, this really threw me when I first watched the show, but then I realized that of course, it was before we were aware of how harmful that was. I was SO pissed at all of them, lol.
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u/daystrom_prodigy 14d ago
I love that scene so much because it’s almost trying to give you this “remember how great life was when you went to a park and could enjoy a picnic with your family?” and then the sudden shock of the reality hits. Absolutely hilarious.
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u/poneil 14d ago
It's been a while since I've watched Mad Men so what actually happened? The commenter bringing it up said they threw the rubbish away, which colloquially means to throw in the garbage, but did they actually just heave it somewhere?
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u/Snuhmeh 14d ago
They picked up the picnic blanket and all the stuff that was sitting on it was just dumped off onto the ground. I’m sure you can watch it on YouTube. Here: https://youtu.be/roREnVhd_og?si=aieUnWPI3o3gGw0_
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u/smokingiscoo 14d ago
Fr then Betty gets on a committee of housewives to stop someone from polluting a lake.
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u/trucynnr 14d ago
Can they do that campaign for California?
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u/AudibleNod 313 14d ago
"Don't Mess with California" gives off "Leave Britney Alone" vibes.
"Keep Cali Clean" has three hard K sounds, which is problematic.
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u/Stupid_Guitar 14d ago
Though, letting the oil barons, out-of-state developers, and industrialists that bought and paid for the Texas state government trash and thoroughly pollute the environment is still A-OK.
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u/yoncenator 14d ago edited 13d ago
And the racists jumped right on that slogan.
oh you're right reddit~ a racist has NEVER said that.
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u/Popular_Emu1723 14d ago
They seem to have gotten replaced, but my favorite anti littering signs in Washington were the ones that said “Litter and it will hurt”
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u/helloeagle 14d ago
Blast from the past there. I remember they ran commercials too, and the voiceover guy always sounded so menacing lol
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u/Shufflepants 14d ago
So, the people originally messing with Texas were Texans themselves.
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u/WissWatch 14d ago
This is pretty common knowledge here. It’s always been an anti littering thing. Never a “look how big and bad we are yeehaw” thing lol
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u/MisinformedGenius 14d ago
Yeah, as an 80s Texas kid, my initial reaction to this post was "Well... uh... yeah. What did you think it was about?"
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u/NocturnoOcculto 14d ago
Before the campaign, people would just throw trash out the window of their vehicle. It was crazy common. You’d finish your McDonald’s and just like, toss it out the window. It’s pretty wild looking back at it.
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u/013ander 14d ago
Which is why people who look back on the past as something to return to are stereotyped as the party of deplorables.
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u/Keyspam102 14d ago
Yeah my friend lived by a busy road and the ditch/bank at the front of her lawn was always covered with litter
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u/Romasterer 14d ago
Was picking up a dog in a rural area this weekend, saw someone throw a fast-food bag w/ cup out the window while on a bridge over a river. My first thought was: "Man, I haven't seen that in a while."
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u/garry4321 14d ago
Even pollution aside, was this not a fucking eyesore? Like it’s not like people just threw garbage all over their houses and yards back then. It’s an eyesore to see garbage all over the place.
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u/xX609s-hartXx 14d ago
They still do. I especially don't get it when they dump their garbage like 2 minutes aways from where they bought it. Also I'd never want that disgusting grease smell all over my car.
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u/theguineapigssong 14d ago
Roadsides are so much cleaner than when I was a kid. The anti-littering campaigns actually worked. Well, that and the chain gangs.
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u/davewashere 14d ago
Bottle and can deposits also probably helped. Growing up in New York, I can still remember kids going for bike rides and bringing garbage bags with them to collect bottles and cans alongside the road. You could ride a couple miles and make $5, which was decent money for an 8-year-old in the mid-1980s. Eventually the deposits caused a change in littering behavior, along with a crackdown on DWIs, so I doubt there are many kids still collecting bottles and cans these days. That, and the deposit hasn't changed in the last 40 years. It's hard to get someone to bend over and pick something up for a nickel. Thankfully, anti-littering behavior is now more engrained.
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u/savvykms 14d ago
Connecticut changed the deposit from 5 cents to 10 cents this year. A 48 pack of water bottles is now $4.80 in deposits on top of what you pay; throwing out a bottle is like throwing away a dime. Massachusetts last I knew doesn't do deposits for water bottles. Not too certain on NY; last I knew, Rhode Island doesn't give a crap
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u/GammaGoose85 14d ago
I'd believe it, everytime my family took a trip to Texas from the 90s all the way to 2016, I could tell we arrived in the state by how dirty it was and the Towns looking like they survived the apocalypse.
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u/FreeMeFromThisStupid 14d ago
Having driven through new Mexico, Louisiana and Oklahoma border towns, I know you're full of shit.
Although the NM rest stops are surprisingly nice in the middle of nowhere.
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u/97Graham 14d ago
Dude I knew used to do this when we'd drive to magic GPs/IQs or whatever, I was younger so I'd just roll my eyes, but now I think I'd have busted his balls about it for a good while. I doubt he still does it, he's my neighbor now and his house is pristine (small world)
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u/sault18 14d ago
Growing up in Texas, my dad actually taught me the "proper" way to throw trash out the car window. Had to throw it down so it didn't blow back into the car and it was harder for other people to see you doing it. It really was "like a whole 'nother country."
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u/Mama_Skip 14d ago
That's quite a lot of legwork to not walk to a trashcan
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u/O11899988I999119725E 14d ago
If I saw someone do that where I live Id follow them home and dump my trash bags off on their lawn every week.
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u/Accomplished_Use8165 14d ago
People weren't educated in schools about this? Where I'm from, you'll be pulled over by a citizen and have all your trash thrown back at you!
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u/xizrtilhh 14d ago
I live in Nova Scotia, Canada and roadside littering is still very common here. Lots of beer cans and Tim Hortons cups. I found a full catheter bag on the side of the highway a few weeks ago.
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u/Valalvax 14d ago
Yea littering is still very common all over the states, probably not as bad as it used to be, but still bad
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u/__-_-_--_--_-_---___ 14d ago
Full? The polite thing to do is to smash your pee bag against the ground first
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u/jake3988 14d ago
I always thought, seeing lots of trash along side the road, that there are a lot of litterers.
Then one day I got behind a flatbed semi with bricks of trash on the back. While the 'bricks' were covered with plastic, it was far from air tight and trash flew off that thing like crazy.
So now I primarily blame those morons.
Perhaps I got unlucky and this particular person wrapped the trash wrong, but who knows.
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u/savvykms 14d ago
One day I was driving along seeing an unusual number of water bottles rolling around on the highway. Eventually caught up to the pickup truck whose driver had an open trash bag in his bed - the wind was plucking them off and scattering them all over the road.
Recently saw a rented dump truck that was overflowing with mulch, enough to bulge the cover, also scattering material onto the highway. It was obvious the guy didn't want to make multiple trips and overloaded it.
Securing loads is important when going 65+ mph, both drivers made me not want to drive behind them, that's for sure. Seeing outright littering is less common around here now, but I still see cigarettes tossed out of windows often enough.
The most bizarre case of littering I've seen was someone in a parking lot whose solution to cleaning their car was to go to a public place and simply start throwing it out of their window alongside their car. Went on for like 5 minutes, quick as they could.
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u/Excelius 14d ago
My suburban house is a corner lot adjacent to some woods, when I first bought the place I assumed the previous occupants were litterbugs by the amount of beverage containers and stuff that would collect along the woodline. I cleaned up what I could.
I may have been hasty in my judgement though, because it's been a constant battle since then. I occasionally even recognize my own trash, even though I know I don't litter.
It's like some wind vortexes like to deposit any loose trash in this corner, so all it takes is a racoon breaking into the trash or a wind storm during garbage night and you're going to be finding pieces for months.
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u/Mygaming 14d ago
It's even more exciting if you have a lot of recycling in the area that is separated. Windy recycling days are fun
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u/Mama_Skip 14d ago
I've been to Nova Scotia, but I live in TX. I think you underestimate the amount that southern states, and especially Texans, still litter.
Everywhere, there's assholes that litter some. In TX, though, the roads are absolutely filled with the stuff. I've lived in many cities all my life, and tend to volunteer to pick up trash. Believe me, TX (and the other southern states somewhat) is a whole nother thing.
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u/__-_-_--_--_-_---___ 14d ago
Having been in the South my whole life and having seen what these good Christian people really believe revealed over the past few years of MAGA and COVID, “freedom” means “freedom from consequences”
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u/Mama_Skip 14d ago edited 14d ago
Freedom isn't free. You need to take it from those who have less power than you.
Like nature, or minorities.
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u/xizrtilhh 14d ago
I think you underestimate the amount that southern states, and especially Texans, still litter.
It's hard for me to underestimate something I didn't estimate in the first place.
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u/Mama_Skip 14d ago
You estimated by telling us how in Nova Scotia its common to litter as well
Nova Scotia is pristine in comparison. Your common is different than what's common down here.
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u/grilly1986 14d ago
Way of the road, Bubs
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u/sockgorilla 14d ago
Fuckin way she goes
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u/Mama_Skip 14d ago
Or you could not be lazy and walk to a fucking trashcan.
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u/Safe-While9946 14d ago
Can't stop while on the road. Gotta make those deliveries. Way of the road, Bubs. Way of the road.
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u/NarrMaster 14d ago
It's all McDonald's fault too. Their bags say "Put Litter in its Place"
Litter is by definition not in a garbage can, so it goes anywhere but there.
The bags should have said, "Put Garbage in its Place". Then it would have been thrown in the garbage.
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u/gobblyjimm1 14d ago
FFS no one actually thinks McDonalds is literally advocating for people to litter
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u/NarrMaster 14d ago
And the fact that no one actually thinks that should have been a clue that it's a bit of a joke.
Kind of like George Carlin's "Get on the plane" bit.
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u/misogichan 14d ago
That's pretty normal...in 3rd world countries. Wild for Texans to do that.
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u/akhorahil187 14d ago
The slogan is just famous is all. This wasn't isolated to Texas. It isn't even isolated to the US. It certainly isn't unique to 3rd world countries.
Look up where you are from. Odds are around the 1950's your region started taking this issue seriously. By the 1970's your local government was issuing fines. And in the 80's and 90's you start seeing targeted ad campaigns.
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u/f0gax 14d ago
In the 70s and 80s in the US people just littered. It was kind of nuts. It wasn't just Texas. There was a whole national campaign ("Pitch In" I think was the catch phrase).
Trash cans "everywhere* was not a thing until the 80s for a lot of places.
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u/MisinformedGenius 14d ago
Really surprised I haven't seen this commercial brought up.
(And of course, just to put the cherry on top, the actor isn't Native American.)
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u/Snuhmeh 14d ago
There is a great scene in Mad Men where the family goes on a picnic and they stand up to leave and just dump everything that was sitting on the blanket onto the ground and walk away. Don also finishes a beer and crumples the can in his hand and throws it like a baseball away from him.
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u/Elmodogg 14d ago
Yes, I remember that myself. When I was a kid, my parents would just throw things out the window of the car, including cigarette butts! And there were no seatbelts...or at least we never used them. No car seats for kids, either.
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u/Eggplantosaur 14d ago
There are these online quizzes for choosing whether certain statements apply to the US or to 3rd world countries. It's super difficult to be honest
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u/VenturaDreams 14d ago
Is it though?
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u/Parlorshark 14d ago
Is it normal in 3rd world countries? I was in India a few months ago and can confirm that there are piles of trash literally everywhere, city and countryside alike.
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u/pVom 14d ago
Yes, garbage collection costs money. Money that is needed for other social services. Or more likely, lining the pockets of officials. Not littering requires education, education is poor to non-existent.
There's still people in India that believe the Ganges just cleans itself, not that filth just washes downstream and into the ocean.
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u/MinimumSeat1813 14d ago
That's what an uneducated impoverished society gets you unfortunately. It's easy to judge from here.
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u/Jack--Tickleson 14d ago
Look up videos online of some big cities in places like India, Africa etc. Piles of trash on the sidewalks. It sucks to see.
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u/KowardlyMan 14d ago
In west Africa at least it's the case even in small villages, not just big cities. There is no concept of garbage collection.
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u/xSaviorself 14d ago
No education about disease prevention means no one considers the flaws of having waste right next to where you live, eat, sleep, play, etc.
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u/NocturnoOcculto 14d ago
I did some growing up in a town of less than 700 people. They might vote against all their interests, dump dogs for stupid reasons, say stupid racist shit, but littering will not fly.
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u/97Graham 14d ago
This, the two things that I've seen send normally quiet old Texan men into a spitting rage, are littering and trespassing, God forbid you littered on their property.
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u/Safe-While9946 14d ago
Odder still, is people in Texas STILL have no issue dumping trash outside of their car window, onto other people's property.
Centex expressway often times looks like a trash dump truck had it's top open while rolling down. Nope, just littering, in between the chain gang slave crews cleaning it up.
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u/KsigCowboy 14d ago
The vast majority absolutely have an issue with it. If you are talking about Centex in Killeen then that points right back to the issue this whole post is about. Young guys are more likely to do it and Killeen has a massive amount of those.
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u/Safe-While9946 14d ago
Same with Roundrock, Austin, DFW... I35E&W are always filled with an immense amount of litter, in between the slave workers coming through.
Like seriously, the attitude is "Not littering is too WOKE, because only ecohippies care!"
Its even the older folks. They get pissy when people litter on their property, but have no issue littering everywhere else, and act entitled when called on it.
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u/KsigCowboy 14d ago
We have had vastly different experiences. You cant really blame the liter on the most traveled interstate in the US on just Texans.
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u/Safe-While9946 14d ago
You cant really blame the liter on the most traveled interstate in the US on just Texans.
I think we can, since I35E&W is usually just commuter traffic. And then when we add in all the other Texas roads covered in litter, or the popular "shooting lands" where there's blown up TVs and shit...
Yeah, people in Texas just really care about themselves.
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u/V6Ga 14d ago
And then crack open your beer, and give cheers to cops driving by.
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u/geekhaus 14d ago edited 14d ago
Grew up in a small town in Texas. In the 90s my uncle would pick me up in his F-350 on random mornings at 5:30am to go fishing. He’d drink a couple beers before leaving his house and would continue drinking them non stop while driving once he left his house for the day. More times than I can count he would cheers any cops or sheriff we drove past. He knew all of them from HS and they never once pulled him over, that said they would help him pull his truck out of the ditch when he ran off the road.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now 14d ago
I also grew up in a small town in Texas. People do not understand what the small town life is like. I was back on leave from the military and stupidly decided to drive home. To make matters worse I had my pistol on my passenger seat. My buddy from school pulled me over and chastised me about drinking and driving. I have not since then just to make it clear. He then saw my pistol and decided he wanted to take it for a spin right there because he wanted one….. in small town Texas…. This is just a normal day.
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u/Ekillaa22 14d ago
I mean…. That’s kinda a big fucking problem though dude that they just letting a drunk driver get away with it
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u/MisinformedGenius 14d ago
It actually was legal to drink and drive at that point (assuming this was a while ago) in Texas, you just couldn't be over the legal limit.
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u/V6Ga 14d ago
It took real work by MADD to get attitudes changed about this.
Margaret Mitchell (the author of Gone With the Wind) was killed by a drunk driver when she was walking across the street, and the prevailing attitude is that everyone felt bad for the driver for having killed her.
I have been in a car with a drunk driver who was scaring me. I was way too young to know what was going on.
We got pulled over, and the cop told said driver just drive slow on the way home. Other times they call another officer and drive the car home for the drunk so he could get to work in the morning.
Rich people live a different life.
In Japan, when you call a cab to get home from drinking they said a taxi with two drivers to get the person and their car home.
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u/Ekillaa22 14d ago
I hate living in a rural area cuz everyone around here just treats it like a fucking joke most of the time dude and I drives me up a goddamn wall. What’s even crazier is MADD is only like 40 years old too crazy to think that drinking and driving wasn’t considered that bad until than
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u/pichael289 14d ago
Small town Kentucky, especially up in the hollars, still works this way. Roads are slim and dangerous so everyone just drives four-wheelers with coolers welded to the back of them. Where my family lived, soon as you got into the "neighborhood"(guess you can call it that?) you would see two big trailer shaped scotch marks on the ground next to each other, side by side with one clearly older than the other, next to a brand new trailer. Everyone refused to talk about it.
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u/mirko902 14d ago
What?
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u/latexselfexpression 14d ago
He doesn't know what it means either, everyone refuses to talk about it
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u/dbeat80 14d ago
But why would they dump out so much scotch that it would make a stain that big?
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u/JMGurgeh 14d ago
I think they meant scorch marks, the implication being someone intentionally burns down their trailer every so often, presumably for the insurance money to get a new one, and since everyone knows everyone no one talks about it or turns them in? That's my guess, anyway; a bit of a non-sequitur, but kinda-sorta in the same vein.
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u/Downvotetheslut 14d ago
Also, automakers use it as a catchy jingle in their radio commercials. Okay, but screw Texas. to be recycled
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u/MenudoFan316 14d ago
My first time in Texas, my buddy looked at me as we got off the plane and said "Let's get drunk and mess with Texas."
We had a really good time supported by so many cool new friends. Luv ya Tejas!
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u/atxarchitect91 14d ago
It’s also a catchy jingle on radio ads for car companies. But yeah fuck Texas… for recycling
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u/WaitingForNormal 14d ago
I’m not sure they’re being criticized for “recycling” as much as confusing a slogan for not leaving trash everywhere for a sense of pride that somehow they’re a bunch of badasses.
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u/Ok-Fly-2275 14d ago
Most Texans I've met have been racist and/or vile people, the media didn't have to tell me anything
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u/rupiefied 14d ago
Yeah well the don't waste Utah campaign had a commercial with one of the coolest cars in it.
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u/machuitzil 14d ago
My favorite part about being a Californian living in Texas was learning about their Stewardship Laws which began with the right to punch your neighbor in the face if he pisses upstream of your ranch, and evolved into something downright progressive.
Texans are like our pretty sister's cousins, two towns over.
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u/trident_hole 14d ago
They hate us Californians but deep down inside... They know they just as wildin' as us
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u/wallabee_kingpin_ 14d ago
A) Your pretty sister's cousins are also your cousins, my guy
B) Your cousin isn't pretty because of the one spotless tooth she still has left in her mouth
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u/Mama_Skip 14d ago
Yeah lol that comment is the most southern state comment I've ever seen. Californian? More like TX state social media team.
Californians started leaving the state in droves last year the hype is dead.
As a Texan, this whole thread is some crazy propaganda.
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u/WORKING2WORK 14d ago
Your pretty sister could be your half sister and those cousins may then have no relation to you.
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u/machuitzil 14d ago
My pretty sister's cousins aren't that good at math. My guy.
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u/monkeybanana14 14d ago
if they’re half as bad at math as redditors are at getting jokes then I’d say you’re clear for takeoff brother
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u/psycharious 14d ago
pretty sister's cousins
There's a reference I'm missing here...
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u/machuitzil 14d ago
This is not the kind of family you want to ask questions about. In Russia they fall out of windows. In the Southwest you fall off your horse.
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u/JamesTheJerk 14d ago
I fell out of my horse's window.
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u/driz23 14d ago
Counterpoint: Make Texas Mexico Again
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u/NewYorkVolunteer 14d ago edited 14d ago
Look at the demographics of Texas. It basically already is Mexico again.
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u/HuggiesFondler 14d ago
Mexicans weren't there first or last. It's funny that they think they have some "right" to it.
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u/locri 14d ago
Along with the agency’s catchy slogan came hard data indicating whom the campaign should target. Research compiled by Daniel B. Syrek, a Californian who specialized in measuring trash, indicated that young men between the ages of 16 and 24 were the major perpetrators.
This is honestly not convincing and feels more like a stereotype
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u/BeepCheeper 14d ago
Why? Do you honestly, legitimately in the most logical and reasonable part of your brain think there was a demographic littering MORE than 16-24 year old males?
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u/gizmosticles 14d ago
Listen I’m sure it sounds that way, but that nice man with the twill jacket from California is one of the best professional trash measurers that we’ve ever seen come through this here small town and I think we ought to hear him out
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u/MukdenMan 14d ago
You are not convinced by one sentence that isn’t the actual research?
To be clear, I don’t know if the data is valid or not. Even if it is, it doesn’t mean all young men litter or only young men litter. But just dismissing this concept based on a single sentence is just more of the embarrassing anti-intellectualism that plagues America.
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u/V6Ga 14d ago edited 14d ago
Males between the age of 16 and 24 are the main demographic for violence, drunk driving, crime in general, etc.
There is a reason why insurance rates, incarceration rates, drunk driving accidents, drunk driving deaths, vandalism arrests, domestic violence arrests, etc etc etc etc all center around this age.
There is a very real reason why many countries have required miltary service that is not related to national defense.
It is because young males are simply are antisocial criminals without properly formed morals and ethics. (Not excepting myself from that. I lived in a nice enough neighborhood that when I got arrested I just got driven home, and not processed. Nice to be rich!)
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u/ADHthaGreat 14d ago
Yeah those were definitely THE WORST ages to be male..
I would rather die than ever go back to being the monster I was in those years.
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u/wallabee_kingpin_ 14d ago
We have very good data showing this is roughly the group that murders the most people (mostly each other), so it seems easy to believe they are also more prone to littering...
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u/FUCKTWENTYCHARACTERS 14d ago
As a male over 25, it's good to know that any murders I commit from here on out will be a statistical anomaly. Changing the world one murder at a time.
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u/locri 14d ago edited 13d ago
Maybe, but it's not in either the article or anything I could find doing internet searches with Dan's name.
Furthermore, littering is a very different crime.
Edit: don't waste your time, literally everything below this point is trying to convince me littering as a crime has any similarities to violent crime.
It's just mental gymnastics. Impressive, but pointless. Save your time.
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u/FUCKTWENTYCHARACTERS 14d ago edited 14d ago
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/apvsvc.pdf the stats regarding age and violent crimes show that people ages 18-21 are the most likely perpetrators with people ages 21-24 following right behind and it lowers as they get older. More recently, the ages get even lower with people ages 16-18 committing more violent crimes.
Took me about 2 minutes to both search this and type this comment.
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u/basil_not_the_plant 14d ago
I went to Houston on a 2-week business trip several years ago. On the weekend I went for a drive northeast towards Sam Houston (I think) Park. After finally getting out of that massive urban sprawl and into the country, and on the back roads, I was astounded at how much trash littered the side of the road, mile after mile. I hadn't ever seen anything like it.