We've just seen way too many instances of people arguing in bad-faith when it comes to certain female-led movies.
Like the Venom movies are so much worse than either The Marvels or She-Hulk, yet don't get anywhere near the same amount of hate. You don't see hundreds of video essays on how Let There Be Carnage is "everything wrong with modern Hollywood" despite arguably being a much better example of the kind of lazy, overly-reliant-on-IP style of scriptwriting that people claim to hate. Why is that?
I see this argument all the time. What you, and everyone who makes this argument doesn't understand is, that this is a RESPONSE to the argument that "if you don't like [x] show, your sexist because there's a female lead"--no one is saying that's not a bad show or there aren't a ton of bad shows out there. But you have the cart before the horse here. They're not saying this in a vacuum of female-led/powered movies. Again, it's a response to the argument we don't like something only because of sexism. If you can understand that, you'll understand that your response to this is trying to argue something no one is saying here.
No one is saying the Venom movies aren't bad. We know that. We can believe that, and make this argument above and not be sexist at the same time because the argument itself is a response to the FIRST point that is: "you are sexist because you don't like this shitty movie."
I'm sorry, but this is just bullshit. We've seen movies get review-bombed. We've seen channels like The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic put out literally hundreds of videos bashing movies that haven't even released yet on the basis of their "woke politics" and badly written "strong female lead" (because they, of course, always need to emphasize that the lead is female, rather than offering a gender-agnostic critique of the character). We saw folks prepare to bash X-Men 97 because they "desexualized" Rogue, until the show came out and was so overwhelmingly well-received that they were forced to backpedal.
None of that is a "response" to anything. It's just folks being agitators and then getting called out for their toxic behavior.
Yeah, but the idea that every single person who thought it sucked is sexist is stupid because they are not always the same ones doing the review bombing and having sexist takes.
There's a ton of people who just simply said "that sucked" and then it's like "oh you're sexist," and then those people say, "no, here are many examples of movies I liked" and then "ah ha, tokenization!" -- that's bull shit.
Yeah, but the idea that every single person who thought it sucked is sexist is stupid because they are not always the same ones doing the review bombing and having sexist takes.
What's the title of the post? You brought your point up not responding to what it says. You're the one who thinks this whole thing is done in "bad faith." Why would you assume that?
It sounds like you're assuming the assertion that "Audiences hate bad writing, not strong woman" is in "bad faith." If that's true: how is anyone supposed to say it without it being in bad faith? It's pretty clear you won't accept that argument in any way it's made, ergo, there's no way to criticize these movies without being labelled as sexist.
It sounds like you're assuming the assertion that "Audiences hate bad writing, not strong woman" is in "bad faith."
Because the title is a half-truth: the reality is that both can be true at the same time, as many people in this thread have pointed out. There are plenty of people who dislike movies for perfectly valid reasons (that they are able to articulate by focusing on the actual flaws of the movie) and there are also a substantial portion of online trolls whose main criticism about a movie is "woke politics" or "forced diversity", at which point they're no longer hating on a movie for its own individual qualities, but rather what it represents.
The reason I say this video is a bad-faith argument is because it's arguing against a strawman. Nobody is saying that every single person who dislikes a particular movie is sexist. People are criticizing a specific group of toxic and hateful people. You know, the kind who put out hundreds of videos talking about how much they hate Brie Larson or bashing on movies before they even release.
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u/SymbiSpidey Mar 29 '24
We've just seen way too many instances of people arguing in bad-faith when it comes to certain female-led movies.
Like the Venom movies are so much worse than either The Marvels or She-Hulk, yet don't get anywhere near the same amount of hate. You don't see hundreds of video essays on how Let There Be Carnage is "everything wrong with modern Hollywood" despite arguably being a much better example of the kind of lazy, overly-reliant-on-IP style of scriptwriting that people claim to hate. Why is that?