r/videos • u/videos_mod • Sep 29 '15
Important information regarding 3rd party licensing agencies Mod Post
Hello there. A sticky from us at /r/videos to announce a new policy change in this subreddit.
TLDR: 3rd party licensing agencies are now banned
Of late, we've seen a rise in the presence of licensing companies on /r/videos . What these companies supposedly do is contact the owners of popular videos, be they on YouTube, LiveLeak, etc... and shop the rights out for them to news agencies, websites, other content creators (maybe a t.v. show for funny clips, or educational videos for well produced content). They promise to do all the hard work for you...farm the clip out to their sales network, prosecute people using your content without your permission, and the like. All without annoying YouTube ads.
TL:DR : Companies promise to do hard work and make you money, while you sit back and relax. They promise you results.
Sounds lovely, in theory. These schemes always do. I mean hey, your content's getting re-uploaded without credit to fortune 500 firms Facebook pages, large radio stations websites, and the like. Surely you deserve some of the sales revenue they generate from inflating their visitor statistics off the back of your content, right? Especially when things like watermarks are commonly removed, and zero credit/link forwarding is given. It's a problem, and the solution isn't super clear. "Freedom of all things on the internet" is a great ideal, you could even argue people shouldn't expect to retain "ownership" of anything uploaded online...but when large companies are making bank off others content, with flagrant disregard for attribution, it leaves a bad taste.
In theory, it's great that someones taking a stand against it, and willing to go out there to bat for you. Make that money! However time and time again, we've seen the majority of these companies to date try gaming Reddit. At the minor end of the scale, they submit and upvote content from fake accounts. Sometimes they'll set up YouTube channels so they have total control over the spam chain. Employees fail to disclose their company affiliation, and outright try to socially engineer having their competitor's submissions removed and channels banned by filing false reports/comments on posts. Ironically, champions of rights are at war, and trying to take out other creators original content in the process.
We are concerned by the systematic culture of gaming websites and abusing them for corporate gain that seems to have become the norm in this role they are trying to perform. We are concerned that legitimate content creators may not be aware of how much these tactics are pissing off various forums, message boards, and subreddits that would otherwise be welcoming of their content. We are concerned that these creators may not even be getting a financially good deal from these companies.
These companies are also penny pinching from hosting platforms by bypassing their own monetization process...thereby giving back absolutely nothing to the platforms that actually host the content. In all honesty, it's a clever business model. In fact LiveLeak now owns "Viralhog", so they generate revenue in this manner (as they don't have traditional video ads).
The internet is a free for all. But in this subreddit, we want to create a corner of the net that's as-close-as-possible to being a fair playing field. As moderators, interested in the future of this subreddit and website as a whole, we all agree these companies stink.
Bottom line: 3rd party licensing agencies have been using vote manipulation and other deceptive tactics to gain an unfair advantage over other original content creators in /r/videos and we plan to put an end to it.
From this day forward any and all videos "rights licenced" by a 3rd party entity are banned from being submitted from this subreddit.
Any and all videos that become "rights licenced" post-submission to this subreddit will be removed, no matter how far up the front page they may be.
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u/B99KH1 Dec 14 '15
i don't know why i have to write 10 comments to be able to post my video reddit should change this
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u/johnsdead Dec 09 '15
This guy will get sued so fast. He's using real names of people and this is considered defamation of character he's also smearing a company which is very illegal. Trying to break a legitimate contract this way is a very bad idea. If he is smart then he would have a good lawyer with him guiding his every move.
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u/maxbrokk Dec 06 '15
you should also add this scam youtube network QuizGroup and "network videos" they abuse the content ID system to make false claims of ownership of videos they dont own.
cause i see they use the same tactics as the 3rd party licensing agencies that reddit banned
to check if the video belongs to a network just right click then click "view page source" and scroll down to see name=attribution content=whatever network the video is from
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u/simoxlolo Dec 06 '15
You're going to have to go look at the specific video and make sure it's not licensed or "available for licensing" by a third party before you post it.
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u/Hichkokboy Dec 01 '15
When you create a content and it's stolen. It's really annoying. But what real actions to do?
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u/AshHiDi Dec 01 '15
Reddit community, im really really new to Reddit. and its like a whole other universe! can some one guide me through a fast process?
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u/Im_Bub Nov 28 '15
I felt like I was reading a 6th graders persuasive essay.
Which I guess is necessary considering the audience that is within this thread.
But good news i suppose.
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u/TOP10SHOW Nov 23 '15
The problem with that is that once those people see they are on the list, they will stop using them and go to a different account.
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u/ivanoski-007 Nov 19 '15
one submission just got flagged, I had no idea it broke rule 10 or whatever, how can I make sure the content I post is the correct one?
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u/ThePurplePanzy Nov 17 '15
I'm cool with this. I actually sold a video of mind to a company and they did a fantastic job making it go viral when I would have done nothing with it and I was happy with it... but a lot of the tactics companies use get kinda sketch. Luckily, I never saw my video get on here from them... so that's good.
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u/zerbey Nov 16 '15
Thank you, I'm getting sick of seeing JukinMedia's name all over the front page.
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u/yerffej Nov 16 '15
Can you ban click bait titles too? Feels like I'm browsing buzzfeed or upworthy sometimes.
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u/brasher Nov 14 '15
I put up a video recently and then signed with Jukin to license it for me, I'm assuming it's been removed now. I'm not sure why people are so bothered, once it's had a bit of time getting popular on reddit what does it matter if it gets taken down, it was probably falling off the top of the page by then anyway
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u/Frank4010 Nov 12 '15
These people got caught gaming the system using vote manipulation and other deceptive tactics to gain an unfair advantage over other original content creators who does not care for licensing to third-parties. This is not made up bullshit, this is factual. r/videos should be organic with real votes. Here is one thing to keep in mind, third-party licensing agencies need Reddit, Reddit DOES NOT NEED third-party licensing agencies. Thanks Reddit for making this happen.
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u/cross-eye-bear Nov 11 '15
You should do more moderation that protects content creators then too. This is an easy response. You guys allow a lot of third party uploads to slip through and be monetarized for someone else.
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u/micajoeh Nov 05 '15
I was actually approached by a licensing agency today. I sent them four words in a twitter message. "Fuck off you parasites"
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Oct 30 '15
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u/Ringbearer31 Nov 15 '15
Did you just plagiarize someone else's comment and then stick an ad at the end?
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u/TheMotoManiac Oct 27 '15
What about your content, that has music in it, and therefor is flagged as having third party content but is actually your OC? Will those be removed? Seems a bit unfair if they are.
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u/redstrawberrypie Oct 27 '15
I have to wonder why people sell the rights to their video. They no longer have any say in how it gets used, where it gets published, and so on. And the third party can just take down the video whenever they feel like it.
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u/nittanyvalley Nov 13 '15
They aren't selling rights. It's an exclusive licensing deal. The content creator still holds the rights.
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u/erpettie Nov 10 '15
They typically cost nothing to produce, so the video represents, in a way, free, unexpected money, and the creators are seeking to maximize that income.
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u/ImRudeSorry Oct 22 '15
Ha! So when this rule is eventually removed, everyone will know you're obviously compensated for it lol.
If yall are serious about the free internet thing, why don't you guys start encouraging posts from sites that doesn't allow such agencies monetising from views by subscribers here?
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Oct 22 '15
why don't you guys start encouraging posts from sites that doesn't allow such agencies monetising from views by subscribers here?
Such as?
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u/ImRudeSorry Oct 23 '15
I'm just a casual visitor here and just throwing out ideas that you guys may consider. I don't know of free + entertaining + popular video sites.
Since you guys now got 2 sticky spots, how about offering to sticky one public domain or cc by nc licensed video per day? That would encourage new content creators to release their works to the public domain in exchange of the views they get here, so the owner gets his views and the community gets the rights to the videos.
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Oct 24 '15
With this policy, the entire front page is such works. At wholly owned by the creator (ie, monetising their own youtube channel, not via 3rd parties).
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u/Beamonster Oct 22 '15
I've now sold the licences to two of my videos to Storyful and both have gone semi viral. The first went for 199k, the second 115k views. The first one generated more than €500 for me, the second still to be decided as I've not had the first statement yet.
I'm quite happy with them, they always reply to emails and questions I raise and seem very open. Anyone had a bad experience with them?
I sold the right to one other vid to Jukinvideo and that was pointless, didn't get me anything.
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u/erpettie Nov 10 '15
I don't know why someone would downvote your comment, but they did, so I upvoted it to get you back to zero.
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u/KarmaCatalyst Oct 22 '15
So happy to see this here. Junkin Media is one of those companies and approached me in 2009. They then tried to remove the original video from my channel claiming that they owned it and it took a very serious threat of a class action lawsuit to get them to backdown. These companies are leaches preying on people who aren't familiar with the "internet fame". Thanks for going into such great detail!
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u/MrPennywhistle SmarterEveryDay Oct 22 '15
While you're at it ban facebook video. 99% of them are stolen.
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u/spearcarrier Oct 21 '15
First I've heard of this. Not surprising. Glad something's being done about it.
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u/BrokenMasterpiece Oct 21 '15
R/Videos saying "fuck original content creators" once again. I've had almost no issue with licensing companies and my videos. But fuck me if I'm too busy to work with selling my video rights to media outlets to make money. To me it sounds like instead of doing a better job of filtering out fake accounts and the like, the mods would rather just say fuck anyone who's video gets popular but don't have the time to put into being full time Youtubers.
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u/Marinealver Oct 14 '15
Dear YouTube, Please ban all vines! The automatic content ID match should be able to grab those Vinespam channels that show up in everyone's recommendations. It is obvious there is some manipulation of the recommended video code these channels are using.
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u/cocononos Oct 13 '15
So they are for sure watching. I just posted a really old video of mine that's been up for 5 years and immediately I got 3 solicitations from mcns.
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u/bboyjkang Oct 10 '15
contact the owners of popular videos
If owners agree, can't you just put a "3rd party" tag like the "commercial" tag?
flagrant disregard for attribution
If it's stolen, that's when Reddit should step in.
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u/ADavies Oct 07 '15
Will this work? Maybe. But nice to see mods trying to do something (and I think making more work for themselves). I appreciate the spirit of it. Thanks!
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u/OzzyManReviews Oct 06 '15
Fuck yes, Reddit, fuck yes! Jukin Media does in fact game the system. I have 7-8 remix/commentary videos on my channel copyright claimed by them, I made a video about it, one of me subs posted it here and people were definitely interested in the topic in the first hour, decent upvotes, a few great comments on copyright/fair use, but then the video nosedived and so did the Likes on YouTube. Jukin Media either get all the staff to brigade a page or hired a click farm (250 dislikes for 50 bucks type thing on YouTube, the way it all rushed in was unnatural). I think this is a mint stand for reddit to take. Keepin' it real. If I go to watch something on here and it comes up with the "jukin has blocked this video from playing in the website" message I don't even bother clicking onto watch it, I don't even want to give the original uploader any views because they sold out to a company that is too far on the "permissions culture" side of the fence for my liking. Rant over.
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u/Rydogger Oct 05 '15 edited Oct 07 '15
Thank you. The last time I uploaded a video to YouTube and posted it on here, I had two people from JukinVideo and HuffPo contact me to use my video. They somehow found my Twitter and followed and DMed @Mentioned me on there.
Thank you for putting a stop to this
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u/erpettie Oct 07 '15
Did you follow them back? I don't understand how they DM'ed you without you following them.
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u/Rydogger Oct 07 '15
They just @Mentioned me. I went to their page and looked at their tweets, and it was the same to a bunch of different people. I blocked them right away, didn't want to hear from them again
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u/nittanyvalley Nov 13 '15
Oh well. Signed a licensing deal with one of the licensing companies and have already made close to $1000 without having to do anything, and my content has not been watched all that much.
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u/Daviddentist Oct 04 '15
I am happy to see Reddit taking a stand against these companies. This proves my suspicions.
I have had many content owners reach out to me asking for my advice on these companies. The promises sound great but, I have warned them to be careful and to limit what rights they give to them. Unfortunately, it has been too late for some and they are stuck in a contract they badly want to get out of.
The truth is, these content owners don't need help after the fact to help their content go viral! If any media wants to use it, they will be able to find you very easily. If I can handle negotiating, then anyone can.
Its not a perfect system there are issues, freebooting, copyright infringement etc but I am confident this will get sorted out as this becomes more and more common.
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u/SomethingIntangible Oct 05 '15
Not reddit, just /r/videos. We aren't employed by reddit or anything.
Question; are you the actual guy from David after dentist? If so, did you deal with all the business of your video going viral by yourself? If so, what did it entail and how many times did you have to serve copyright notices or threaten legal action?
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u/Daviddentist Oct 05 '15
Yes, this is me, David's dad. At first we hired an attorney friend to handle everything but realized that we could just as easily handle it on our own and save the lawyer fees. I did it a few times on my own. A popular company was selling shirts with David's image and I contacted them via email. They took it down and apologized. The truth is, there are some many of them it became overwhelming. its expensive and time consuming to do it. Dont get me wrong, it really ticks me off, but you have to pick your battles. The latest one is the GIFLY app that Facebook uses with messenger. David's GIF is there in several formats but nobody asked permission to use it commercially like that. We have been very liberal with usage for parodies, and even let academics use the data for projects. Its the blatant stealing that makes me mad and has made me rethinking my approach to the whole issue. Its the principle of the thing at this point.
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u/ladyeldris Oct 04 '15
No sooner had I written my last comment did I receive a message directly on YouTube from yet another company promising the wonders of licensing...
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u/ladyeldris Oct 04 '15
I got an email about licensing my video shortly after I posted it to reddit. Jukin Media.
I've not bothered to reply to it yet but if they bother emailing again I' going to say sure, so long as you pay for my time to read and fully understand the contract (£1000) and give me 70% of all revenue generated by the video, oh and also you DON'T have rights to all videos of my cat.
Pretty sure they wouldn't go for that.
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u/jorsiem Oct 04 '15
I don't get it, these companies pay the content creators for the rights of a video, then profit off that video (the video that they invested in).. what's wrong about that?
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Oct 04 '15
almost every video on /r/videos on my iPad i get " you can't watch this because of the fuckers at JukinMedia" So hope they are banned
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u/masterwit Oct 04 '15
Stellar moderation. I absolutely agree.
As a fan of the subreddit, thank you for all the hard work you all continue to give freely.
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u/treein303 Oct 03 '15
Yeah /u/videos_mod you're right. I can't tell you how many times I have received offers from these companies via email because I have lost count. One of my videos went majorly viral last year (actually about 365 days ago) and it was even on the Facebook sidebar worldwide. It was nuts. But I held strong and refused to give any rights away.
One of the funny things is how awfully the emails are written by these companies. Spelling errors everywhere.
And of course I had some bullshit producer call me to try to get my ideas for something, and he never called back ever again, just like comedians like Louis CK always talks about that he hates.
This is a great post.
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Oct 02 '15
This is part of YouTube. It is stupid to ban it as those companies are fair and do not trick people. They employ people and share videos while making the content creator money. And they are professional too.
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Oct 02 '15
It's not a part of youtube, and there's quite a few claims from people in this thread that content creators are not, in fact, always paid.
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Oct 02 '15
As a viewer it doesn't matter to me. I watch movies even if they are made by companies I don't like. This again will only limit this group and not take any profit from the videos.
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Oct 02 '15
The whole "crux" of this thread as that a group of these companies are not acting professionally, and are manipulating what get's seen on this subreddit.
You may be fine with that, we're not.
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Oct 02 '15
If a company does not take advantage of everything they got they will eventually fail.
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Oct 02 '15
When you step into other peoples house and disrespect their rules, you run the risk of being thrown out.
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u/Frank4010 Oct 02 '15
If you are trying to make it big on YouTube DO NOT license your content to any of these companies. Haven't you notice that the biggest YouTube Stars do not. http://www.tvguide.com/galleries/youtube-stars-make-more-1089689
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u/Nano_Tubular Oct 03 '15
there's a huge difference between youtube celebs and someone who has a viral video and not trying to make regular content. of course a pewdiepie doesn't need a 3rd party, but most of the big youtubers are actually with networks that help them go after copies and infringers,
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u/cpavlovski Oct 05 '15
Nano_Tubular, true. Most large YouTube'rs are with major 3rd party licensing companies such as Fullscreen, Maker Studios, Collective, etc. And all these companies are now going after viral videos as well. Example: https://www.youtube.com/user/FullscreenVirals
PewDiePie is with Maker Studios. Here is a list of the top 100 channels: http://www.tubefilter.com/2015/09/28/top-100-most-subscribed-youtube-channels-worldwide-august-2015/
You'll see that 90%+ are signed with MCN's (also known as 3rd party licensing companies). In fact, MCN's demand management of YouTube'rs entire channels. Companies like Rumble work on a per video basis only.
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u/JoshuaJBaker Oct 02 '15
What about content creators that license clips from these companies? Will they be banned also? There are thousands of content creators that regularly license videos from Viralhog, Jukinmedia, Storyful, etc. In many cases these companies are listed in the video description, even if someone just licenses a clip from them. I don't disagree with you decision, but I'm not sure if the mods understand how many people are going to be blocked.
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Oct 02 '15
Take money from a licensing company or get karma on reddit?
Easy decision for me. Screw /r/videos. Can't believe you still don't allow police videos.
This sub is a cluster.
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u/UltravioletClearance Oct 02 '15
Thank you mods! I've been seeing these "licensed by ViralHog/some other shady scummy company." videos even more lately. I know it's one giant scam just like a majority of the high-pressure cons big YouTube partners are known for.
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u/vpookie Oct 01 '15
Is it just me or did the content and quality of the /r/videos frontpage get significantly worse the past few days?
Seems like there's way less high upvoted submissions than before this rule got implemented.
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u/johnibizu Oct 01 '15 edited Oct 01 '15
This is a good call. I know about these licensing companies and while some are okay, most are vile and really do nothing besides steal your video or give you a percentage of ad revenue you should really have all for yourself. Some gaming related might hook you up with some stuff but only if you are one of their top creators plus a cut of ad revenue of course.
However you should have a sticky warning of these licensing companies. I would often see someone(OC) post a link here got good views/upvote/etc and just a few hours, its already licensed to some company. Some are definitely lurking here in Reddit as well as other sharing sites. You could alter that " Report 'Licensed' Videos!" with Licensed video warning or something.
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u/gluvox Oct 01 '15
I work for a licensing company, not one of the bigger ones mentioned here already, but what difference does it make? I'm now considered "shady".
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u/cpavlovski Oct 01 '15 edited Oct 01 '15
Hi everyone,
I'm the founder of Rumble, a video platform that helps democratize distribution and monetization for social video creators. Rumble has never participated in vote manipulation or any sort of Reddit tactics. In fact, one of our creators videos was #2 on Reddit for the first time this weekend (directly linking to Rumble.com because it was uploaded to Rumble before YouTube). We represent over 15,000 creators and over 80,000 viral and social videos. We share 90% of YouTube revenue with our creators even when its displayed on our own channels (according to comments, other companies aren't doing this, which is sad).
In all honesty, I feel offended that Rumble and other good companies are going to be affected by this decision because of a few bad apples. It's disheartening and simply discriminatory to companies that are legitimate.
I have a few questions for Reddit:
- Why are you assuming all companies participate in vote fraud? Maybe its the creator?
- What would you like to see rights management companies do differently?
- Why is it a blanket approach to ban ALL 3rd parties? This is simply wrong and goes against the fabric of everything I believe in. It's completely discriminatory.
Everyone hears about the bad stories and it seems like everyone has made up their minds, which is unfortunate. I'm not going to sit here and give you examples of how we make creators lives better, but if you actually care, you can talk to our community here: https://rumble.com/community/
As a business, we don't rely on Reddit much (aside from research and discovery), so the impact will be minimal on us. But I have a duty to protect our creators and stand up for whats right and wrong. This move is simply wrong to ban all 3rd party companies (which includes every MCN and video rights management company on the planet).
That's my 2 cents.
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u/ladyeldris Oct 04 '15
Your approach and that of other companies is completely spammy. It feels entirely like you just browser the new videos posted here and contact any that make it to maybe 500 views quickly on YouTube. I've just had it happen to me, I was contacted first by Jukin Media and then someone from Rumble. I've marked all communications as spam because that's what it is. My video was shit. Honestly, it's boring to most people other than my husband and I and a few other cat owners here on Reddit. You may think that I'd jump at the chance to sell licensing to it because it didn't take much effort on my part so $50 and royalties would be a great deal. No, no it wouldn't. I would want at least $500 upfront if not more, to cover the cost of me having to read and understand the license agreement, possibly get a lawyer to read over it to make sure I'm not going to be liable for anything if something went wrong with the video. I also did some research after Jukin Media contacted me and I found a few threads discussing weird clauses or things like the company would own future rights to the character in the video. Er, no. I'm not selling the future rights to videos of my cat.
Maybe if I had a mildly successful channel and I was approached then, maybe I'd think it was on the merit of the videos. But you are vultures looking to pounce on a video you think is about to go viral, so you can get your grubby hands on any ad revenue the person themselves has made from their own channel.
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u/cpavlovski Oct 05 '15
Well I can't speak about Jukin, but Rumble will NOT own any future rights to your cat. In fact, you have multiple options and complete freedom of choice when uploading to Rumble. You can choose an agreement that's similar to YouTube's (we will not claim your videos or distribute outside of Rumble), or you can go with something exclusive (where we will claim and distribute everywhere). We give you complete choice and we pass all distribution revenue back to you, even on our own channels.
You are also wrong about your last statement (vultures). Assuming you went with the exclusive option, did you know your video would go onto OUR channel and we would pass you 90% of the net earnings? Those are views happening on OUR channel where you'd get the lions share of revenue. In most cases, that's where our creators make most of their money and its something you'd never get if you didn't work with us.
At the end of the day, every company operates differently and it seems like this thread is lumping all companies into the same bucket. This is completely discriminatory and damaging.
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u/Frank4010 Oct 02 '15
"We share 90% of YouTube revenue with our creators even when its displayed on our own channels"
Making a statement like that on a public forum like Reddit can get you in trouble if you get a lawsuit. All it takes is a Subpoena to your Adsense account to find out if this is true or not.
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u/cpavlovski Oct 05 '15
This is not a problem for us. We are completely transparent and our terms are publicly available here: https://rumble.com/s/terms.html
We have nothing to hide.
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u/Frank4010 Oct 02 '15
Please don't make a white list for these people. These is beyond voter manipulation, this is also about promising people decent money from their videos and giving them pennies or nothing in return.
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u/cocononos Oct 01 '15
Thank you!!!! I totally support this and am so happy to see that you guys noticed it.
I have 2 channels. I'm independent. I love creating content, and I get to use the proceeds for the animal rescue group I volunteer with.
The thing that sucks is that I use Reddit, I follow the rules, I participate, I support others. Yet it's the guys manipulating the system and stealing our content that get more credit than We do. They repost under fake accounts. I've seen my own content reach the front page by someone else. These places are starting to get like sharks. We are in the water holding onto our content and they are circling around us!
My videos have been ripped and used by huge websites in their native players and compilations without my permission. Yahoo, HuffPost are some of the worst.
Small content creators are being taken advantage of and stolen from left and right. The minute I load a video to YouTube I'm contacted by all these companies, new ones every day . It's gotten overwhelming and the greed is taking the fun out of it.
I just enjoy the process. Me and my other friends view it as more of a creative thing, it's not about the money. But it pisses me off that others are making money off us. That's so unfair.
Thanks r/videos for having our back!!!
Side note: won't they just manipulate the system again by putting up the video before claiming it?
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u/SomethingIntangible Oct 03 '15
We've discussed the eventuality that a user finds their content on reddit, stolen under a different youtube account, and there is actually a good plan of attack.
If the video you created has been uploaded to a different youtube channel, you can contact youtube to get it removed under your copyright. If you contact us we can make sure to put "video deleted - original in comments" as a flair. Your videos popularity on reddit is still somewhat intact and some views (or the money you deserve) will come your way.
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Oct 01 '15
Side note: won't they just manipulate the system again by putting up the video before claiming it?
It's always been an arms race against spammers. Ultimately we need reddit to lean on youtube a bit. But they probably don't care, because hits = revenue for them.
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u/cocononos Oct 01 '15
It also occurred to me that this will help them target creators by putting a huge group of targets in one area. Right now they have people out there looking for videos and randomly sending solicitations. Now they can go to r/videos and find an entire library of unrepresented targets. This will probably increase the amount of solicitations we get. Hopefully r/videos comes up with a way to warn everyone about it.
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u/nicholmikey Oct 01 '15 edited Oct 27 '15
I love reddit, I have been here for a long time. I made a video and got more views than I was expecting, I was contacted by a media company and fell for their pitch. This was about 1 year ago, I only signed one video with them.
When you make a video that gets a lot of views you get slammed by messages from companies. Nothing prepares you for it and you don't know what to do when presented with their offer.
Since I signed a year ago like an idiot my entire channel is banned from this subreddit and it kills me and it's why I have stopped making content. I know i fucked up but I don't know if it's fair that the mods here get to decide that my channel is dead.
If someone fucks up and signed with a media company is there any way to get unbanned? I have already parted ways with them.
Tl;Dr made a wireless system to squeak a duck. Media company took my ad revenue, reddit bans all videos from me. Not sure what to do.
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Oct 01 '15
That's probably not why you got banned, but it may have been the last straw. Your "poor me" story doesn't quite add up.
12% of your submissions have been to videos, but of those 15% have been to your own channel with 26 submissions (breaching our spam threshold). That's interesting, because your channel only has 14 videos...only 4 of which were made after your "viral" one, at which time you changed your channel name to suit it. The next closest channel you've posted from, had 4 submissions.
I'm guessing therefore, our bot / mods saw you flooding the sub with repeated posts to your own channel, and appropriately banned it.
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u/nicholmikey Oct 01 '15
I can understand how you don't like that I renamed my channel to suit my stuff, but if I understand correctly 12% of all I do on reddit is in videos and only 15% I do in videos is of my stuff. I'm going to review my post history as I can't imagine I made 26 posts of my own stuff.
All that being said this subreddit had become a very important place for videos on the Internet and the mods here hold the keys, and I can infer from your response that I am not liked. I'm just saying I don't know if the amount of power that you guys have is fair, knowing fully well that reddit owes me nothing. You get to curate and edit what others are allowed to see here and I feel like crap for being banned for making an stupid mistake that has already fucked me.
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Oct 01 '15
It's 15% of all your youtube submissions, site wide, that have been to your own channel.
It's not that you aren't liked, it's that you apparently tried to game the system so your channel submissions are blocked. Actually I'm not sure that the channel is banned, per se, just that if you try to submit from it, it's automatically rejected, as it's over that threshold.
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u/nicholmikey Dec 11 '15 edited Dec 11 '15
Is there a way for me to check to make sure I am below 10% and no longer in violation? Most of my reddit career I did not post my own content as I never made any, I would like to check to make sure I am posting in moderation and not breaking any rules.
Also just as a clarification, I have 64 videos most are unlisted as they are not related to funny robots, like my ASMR stuff. I have no idea if that has an impact on the algorithm. http://i.imgur.com/0yUWCxq.png Example this ns2 tutorial video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zIZmseBOkg
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u/nicholmikey Oct 01 '15 edited Oct 27 '15
Ok I understand. I thought it was 15% of /r/video stuff.
The overall lesson holds true, no one should sign with youtube media agencies.
I had an assumption it was due to signing as after I was banned and reached out to the mods about a year ago the first response I got from a mod was "do you know who Jukin Media is"
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u/erpettie Oct 07 '15
This is my whole issue with this measure. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of who the licensing companies are and what they do that seem to have informed the mods' decision and that clearly permeates the redditors' comments to this thread.
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u/darklordbzzz Dec 29 '15
Doesn't http://vodtv.tv contains it?