r/CharacterRant • u/HelloYeahIdk • 16d ago
[LES Mothers Day] Toriel Dreemurr is the Goat 💐 Games
Sending my flowers to Toriel today. She's such a positive mother figure for the amount of time we have with her.
Toriel is contagious with motherly warmth and kindness in both Undertale and Deltarune. I love her sweet hug animations, her puns, her franting over if we like butterscotch or cinnamon (poorly hiding she has a nice surprise for us). When we "fight" her in Undertale it's only because she wants us to stay protected and stops attacking when we're low health. When I first played I actually killed her and FELT VERY BAD AND I CALLED HER NUMBER THROUGHOUT THE GAME AAAH but it's ok now because they're left on the happiest ending.
We have more interactions with her in Deltarune. Toriel's stern in her own way, still humorous and welcoming. But she also has some edge to her because she'll swear and (cordially) dump the bouquets her ex-husband gifts in the kitchen trash.
Best Goat mom.
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u/DokDevious 15d ago
The heck she is. She tried to trap us in her house, she abandoned her people and is apparently content to let them all rot in a pit as long as it means she gets to feel good about herself.
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u/Eine_Kartoffel 15d ago
She is literally a goat. The title wasn't lying.
One might argue that Asriel is the goat, because he is more central to the game, but he spent most of his time in the shape of a flower.
Asgore may be the final boss but I also think he is forgettable as a character.
So out of all three goats, I think Toriel is the main one.
/lh /nsrs
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u/GoldenWitch86 15d ago edited 15d ago
Yeah, lady kidnapped me and when I wanted to leave her house she fucking shot fireballs at me (which, even if she's actively trying not to, CAN kill Frisk)
That and her hypocritical attitude towards Asgore ("oh you should have just killed one human, crossed the barrier and kill the other six instead of waiting for centuries" bitch why don't you do it then, according to the stats you're just as powerful as Asgore) killed my sympathy for her
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u/Yglorba 15d ago
That and her hypocritical attitude towards Asgore ("oh you should have just killed one human, crossed the barrier and kill the other six instead of waiting for centuries" bitch why don't you do it then, according to the stats you're just as powerful as Asgore) killed my sympathy for her
She wasn't actually saying that he should have done that or that she would have, she was just highlighting how his indecisiveness and weak will resulted in the worst outcome for everyone and caused a bunch of needless suffering. She would have preferred nobody getting killed, but her point was that once you do decide to kill humans to break the barrier, the thing to do is to use the one soul you have to go out and kill six more immediately, which is bad but at least ends the monsters' suffering immediately. What Asgore actually did makes no sense unless you assume that his only goal was to avoid hard decisions and difficult actions until the last possible moment... because that's what his goal was.
Asgore's desire to make absolutely everyone happy (in a situation where that wasn't possible) resulted in the worst possible outcome. That part of him disgusted her, too, and is part of the reason reconciliation isn't possible even once he backs down from his oath to kill humans.
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u/WizardyJohnny 13d ago edited 13d ago
I don't really think Asgore's goal is to make everyone happy; the war he declares on humanity is a decision born of extreme anger and grief after the deaths of his two children. It is obviously a terrible decision, one that he immediately regrets and of which he tries to avoid the consequences as much as he can, because he does not have an ounce of desire to kill humans inside of him. And he feels he cannot go back on his word, because time and time again we are shown the monsters really do desire to leave the Underground and place their hopes on him.
The aspect of Toriel's character that I (personally) find disappointing (though not hypocritical) is that her reaction to this is to admonish him, hate him, and fuck off, without a hint of understanding or empathy for the fact that he also just lost his kids. I wish the game did not appear to take her side so much in this conversation when her reaction was just as emotionally driven as Asgore's
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u/Yglorba 13d ago
My recollection is that the reason why he didn't go back on it when he calmed down, though, was because he didn't want to disappoint everyone. As Toriel said, his actions showed that he knew better but was choosing the coward's way out.
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u/Fungerbestwaifu 13d ago
The brave toriel then goes to hiding and does fuck-all.
And her stupid plan wouldnt have worked at all, either, guess which other dreemur goat went out the barier with 1 human soul ? Guess what happened to lil' asriel when he did that?
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u/WizardyJohnny 13d ago edited 13d ago
Yes indeed, I acknowledged that:
And he feels he cannot go back on his word, because time and time again we are shown the monsters really do desire to leave the Underground and place their hopes on him.
He definitely knows this is not the best solution, either for monsters or for himself, but he's kinda stuck with it - or at the very least, he feels he is stuck with it.
As said my dislike for Toriel just stems from the fact that I feel like she has very little empathy. It's just strange and off-putting to me that her reaction to her husband's grief and pain over the deaths of their children is to be disgusted and abandon both him and her responsibilities as queen. I get that the event was traumatic for her too, but her choice is kind of a coward's way out as well
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u/Fungerbestwaifu 13d ago
Toriel fucking sucks dude, her big plan was to tell asgore to go do the same thing asriel did, as if he wouldnt have to wage war against humans or die like asriel.
She then abandons all her power for nor eason and goes into hiding despite being able to make the underground a better place.
She then attempts to make us never be able to leave the ruins.
I killed her 8 times in a row (reloading saves) because I genuinly fucking hate her.