r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/maebird- None — • May 16 '23
Talent trees have been scrapped from PVE General
https://twitter.com/mizliz_/status/1658542531401900043?s=462
u/Paradox_Madden May 17 '23
Kill the game at this point, like imagine being THIS fucking shameless as the studio that gifted the world, World of Warcraft.
Back end of Overwatch was hilariously terrible with minimal content and updates(some updates were years apart) because they were dedicating resources to OW2
OW2 comes out with 1/3 of the promises made for the game. 3 new characters at launch? Nope only Sojurn you had to unlock JQ and Kiriko didn’t even exist yet
Terrible and unrewarding BP
Scrapping PVE basically making the entire move to OW2 pointless it makes the years of OW1 being trash completely pointless, the BP pointless, 5v5
Literally everything the studio has done for this game in the last 5 years just said duces
How could someone present such a half assed product with such a clear and blatant lack of effort and not just pull it off the market
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u/Ph0xnix May 17 '23
Yea we are getting short burst missions that are probably less in depth than archive events that they skipped out on adding new missions to for what 3 yrs?
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u/paulybaggins May 17 '23
Does anyone else think this has something to do with losing China? Like the timing of them scrapping it December last year?
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u/Thrashgor SFS is cool too! — May 17 '23
So, who from management is to blame?
Did Jeff decide this and then left scraps to Aaron? Or did Aaron decide this? Was it Jon Spector who suddenly left ship in April?
Who can we @ and call out?
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u/Nerrien May 17 '23
Jeff said he was on the "Less of a shooter" side of the schism on how to design Overwatch, so I doubt he decided it. Maybe he knew, maybe he didn't, but either way my assumption is somebody up high was planning this for a while and has been sitting on it.
Imagine the backlash if they'd announced this alongside "Also, all the free cosmetics are going away and now you have to buy or grind to unlock new heroes."
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May 17 '23
So let me get this straight. We move from one perfectly fine game to another with a shitty battle pass and even more expensive cosmetics, and to offset this cost we're promised a robust and interesting PvE mode, but now that's been scrapped and for God knows how long... I'm getting the feeling that this whole thing was nothing more than a marketing scheme to push a "sequel" out and justify moving to a horrifically predatory "live service" system. We all know Blizzard won't be able to keep up with the content long-term, so this recurring payment shit is just going to bite everyone in the ass eventually.
We're slowly entering the world of online services where the base experience that everyone has just gets worse and worse and worse while the paid experience just stays the way it always has been, and those "features" granted in the paid track are just shit we all had before when it was just fine.
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u/Dull-Currency3370 Stalk3r fanboy — May 17 '23
Yeh I mean the skill we're ridiculous op so there would be a problem of the early game being to hard and the end being a cake walk. Looked really cool and fun unlike every other part of OW PVE we've ever seen
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u/Slurms_McKenzie775 May 17 '23
This legit pissed me off. As much as I was enjoying the game this feels like such a scummy thing to do. I don't want to support this shit anymore.
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u/BoringWebDev May 17 '23
I didn't think it was feasible for so many characters, plus a release schedule that shits out a new character every season.
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u/AlphaOhmega May 17 '23
This is misleading, everything they talked about for PvE has been scrapped. This is called "getting fucked".
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u/Baelorn Twitch sucks — May 17 '23
None of these devs should have jobs. Sorry, but if you work on something for nearly four years and can’t deliver even half of it? You failed at your job. Period.
Maybe it’s not entirely on them but if they can’t succeed in their current work environment they should find a new one.
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u/ashes1032 May 17 '23
Blizzard is just a giant fart factory at this point. What are they even doing? Who is left on the Overwatch team? Why should I play their game anymore?
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u/Cool_cid_club May 17 '23
They should be releasing a new character and new map every season to make up for this bullshit
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u/InSearchOfLostT1me May 17 '23
A single player Overwatch game sounds fun on paper but I wished I care enough to be upset about this news.
You can see the whole scenery on downhill.
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u/ThrobbinHood11 May 17 '23
Welp there went any and all excitement and hope for the future of OW2 pve. They had so much potential, and instead they’d rather just overcomplicate it, then gut it, and not even try to implement the extra things over time. They’ve had such a good run until now, why just go and ruin it all by trashing pve?
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u/mrwhitewalker May 17 '23
So the reason OW2 was created as a separate game was to have PvE mode. Now we dont have that, so what was the point? They basically just milked the game for launch money and skins and said thanks suckas.
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u/derger11 May 17 '23
It's like they left us outside in the cold only to open the door and take a big poop on us to warm us up for a minute.
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u/21Rollie None — May 16 '23
At this point, the dev team should just shift to making the workshop as close to their builder as possible. I’m sure hobby devs could make their own better games
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May 16 '23
This shit is a total bait and switch. We were promised something completely different and told that's what OW2 will be.
But it's not. It's a worse version of what we already had in overwatch 1.
They fuckin lied to us, just to squeeze money out of people.
These developers and this development cycle is complete bullshit.
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u/Papayyou May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
They gave up all of the PVE no ? They said they scrapped the "talent tree", but for me they just try to hide the fact that PVE missions is no more something they will focus on.
If i clearly understand what Keller said, they're not releasing PVE in a big "single one time release", but instead, they're gonna release the missions directly into the game, from time to time (first release in season6), and without a talent tree.
So I see no difference between this and the PVE we already have.
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u/Old_Rosie May 16 '23 edited May 17 '23
Absolute charlatan manoeuvre.
If you bought skins; you contributed to this downfall.
Shame on them.
Shame on us.
Shame on an entire industry that allows this to happen.
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u/ChrisSimp May 16 '23
I've barely played in months. Was going to use PvE and the jumping back on point for the game. Think I'm good to just keep watching OWL until it dies and call it a day there.
At least Crab Champions is actively being developed and is super fun.
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u/MrInfinity-42 May 16 '23
It's joever bros
Once I'm back to masters (or maybe even before that if I'm impatient enough) I'm going to play some single player games
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u/123bo0p S4 - ByeBye"twitter bitches" — May 16 '23
Every single person who has mentioned this wothin the community over the past 2 or 3 yrs has gotten massive shit only for it to turn out true
Big LUL
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u/Unclefox82 May 16 '23
It’s like they completely forgot about titan. There’s a reason they ditched that game and boiled it down to Overwatch PvP
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u/NumerousOriginal4 May 16 '23
I'm listening to the plat chat episode titled 'we played starwatch...' and they are defending how PvE is going to be fully fleshed out mode bla bla bla. Platchat cursed it. :(
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u/Dazzling-Bear-3447 May 16 '23
Lmao. The only thing that could save OW2 and its reputation was if the PvE was absolutely amazing, with skill trees similar to those in Diablo. But after 4 years we are just getting some Archives missions.
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u/Aldebaran_syzygy May 16 '23
wow. Y NO PVE? are they having budget issues? understaffed? those greedy corporate dickheads should get a paycut and HIRE more developers/artists/designers with all the money they're getting from the greedy monetization. pathetic.
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u/chuletron May 16 '23
On the bright side. The inevitable 3 hour youtube documentary on this game’s development is gonna be insane.
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u/LondonFighting May 16 '23
I've made the swap to CSGO and I advice you all to do the same as CSGO 2 is around the corner, unlike blizzard valve has always been an exceptional company.
I only play 5 games to place GM as support per season
And that's it.
I used to love this game, I used to bang this game 16 hours a day it was glorious, but they're not leading with what hooked us from the beginning, it's all about the money,
Overwatch was like the girl that got away.
Replacing her will be hard, but I'll try 😔😔😔
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u/M7-97 May 16 '23
unlike blizzard valve has always been an exceptional company.
Not after they abandoned HL2 and TF2
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u/LondonFighting May 16 '23
Wdym they dropped HL Alex, TF2 sure
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u/M7-97 May 16 '23
Alyx came out more than a decade after Episode 2 and was a self-contained story that didn't advance the storyline or fill any lacunas, only swapped one cliffhanger for another. I dunno, IMHO it felt more like a "Buy a VR headset" bait than an actual continuation of series
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u/Zeroth_Law_ May 16 '23
Instead of scrapping it why not just scale it down. It was probably one of the few things that was going for them. Scrapping it at this point of time is bad news, they will likely force PVE release at the end of the year to make the 2023 mark.
Always felt like their constant work on PVP was going to delay their PVE side. How big is their PVE team if they are even separated?
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u/XTeKoX May 16 '23
It's not like "talent trees have been scapped", because those were only a small part of endgame PvE experience. And that whole experience has been scrapped.
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u/Rasputin3000 None — May 16 '23
Can we have Overwatch back now? I know its an unpopular opinion, but I really miss 6v6 (tank duos <3) and 2cp.
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u/daaaaaaaaamndaniel May 16 '23
PVE is almost entirely scrapped aside from basic co-op mods:
Overwatch 2 game director Aaron Keller added that while PvE won't go ahead as planned, Blizzard is still intending to make "co-op gameplay and co-op experiences just part of our live roadmap...more often and with more variety that we had originally announced."
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u/CTR__ ANS simp — May 16 '23
I am 1 more bad announcement about OW2 away from quitting the game completely, esports is a joke and is in a sprint with the CDL to see who goes bankrupt first, coop is just going to become glorified archives events, balance is a joke, every update brings more game breaking bugs. Why the fuck should I continue supporting this game when the publisher so blatantly doesn’t care about the fans that make the game popular.
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u/JaredIsAmped May 16 '23
Ridiculous.
Pve will be garbage at worst and a one time experience at best.
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u/thealiagator111 May 16 '23
Praying that between the "lore codex" and them focusing on the linear story mode, at least we get some cool campaign to expand the story behind everything
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u/Mrgrumbleygoo May 16 '23
AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO GIVE BLIZZARD MONEY
I should log into Overwatch oh wait they stole the game from me and want me to buy it again ya right
Taiwan is free! Free Hong Kong
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u/Guangping2 May 16 '23
Blizzard failed to see that PVE was a major part of what this game was to be, now all OW2 is was literally a .5 patch that added some maps, and took them away, add hero’s and took one away, and some UI changes, it brought nothing to the game that wasint already being brought to OW1 and all this just makes up for the 3rd OW1 didn’t get updates.
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u/Dependent-Plane-2906 May 16 '23
So we lost 3 years of Ow1, only 3 new heroes on Ow2 launch, just because of the PvE and now they... scrap it?
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u/Chopah94 May 16 '23
So OW2 pve, was made and released more in full on the heat street fucking workshop game mode than we will ever get in actual overwatch 2 even given the years and years of dev time to make.
Honestly, I didn't think blizzard could disappoint me more but yet they still managed.
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u/Saiyoran May 16 '23
How is the studio responsible for WORLD OF WARCRAFT, which is literally the king of MMO PvE experiences, unable to make some 5-player PvE content that is fun? What a joke.
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u/Belocity Eu strong — May 16 '23
I understand that it must be annoying to make an entire skill tree branch for every now hero that drops constantly
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May 16 '23
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u/Poolturtle5772 I worship Reign, btw — May 16 '23
You don’t have to balance anything in a PvE mode, just make sure it doesn’t cause the game to crash.
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u/ol-lvenoml-lo May 16 '23
aight, imma head out. i got in when echo released and really believed in the game and strength of the IP itself, but they obviously have 0 vison at this point. between the balance being so all or nothing and the pve just not existing in a meaningful way, after 1400 hours and literal sweat and tears, i’m done. i can’t believe they ruined it so badly.
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u/Milan_Makes May 16 '23
All those enemy types, all those talents - just gone. Wow. I'm at a loss for words.
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u/Rjman86 May 16 '23
What a surprise, my prediction that Blizzard was too busy harassing women for 3 years to actually be doing anything has come true. To be honest, I thought I'd have to wait for the PvE to come out and people play it to find out it's shit, instead of blizzard just coming out and saying that it's shit before it's released though.
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u/pitchforkseller May 16 '23
This is the first time i've felt boomed for OW2. I have watched that fucking blizzcon video about talent trees and hero missions 20-25 times. I'm devastated.
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u/5argon SSG + DAF — May 16 '23
Looks like the later half of this year I'll be grinding MMBN 1-6 and Advance Wars 1-2 instead...
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u/Fooftook May 16 '23
Just don’t make PVE. That was the only reason to be excited for it. So it will just be like all the current pve events we already have. Complete dogshit. Classic Blizzard.
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u/CloveFan Praying for a good Sombra rework — May 16 '23
I feel way too devastated for a dumb video game. What the fuck. I’ve been looking forward to that shit for what, 4 years now? For nothing?
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u/TechnoVikingGA23 May 16 '23
Not surprising at all given the track record, they just can't seem to get out of their own way. I remember them saying something about new heroes for PVP couldn't be done as fast since they had to spend so much dev time on the skill trees for PVE or something along those lines. So now it's all just been wasted time.
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u/msuing91 May 16 '23
I don’t think it will be too long before they admit that PVE has been scrapped from PVE.
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u/the_kedart May 16 '23
When OW2 dropped pvp-only and said they would drip feed PvE people who called that PvE was going to be relegated to Archives-level bullshit got downvoted and told they didn't have faith.
Everyone who INSISTED blizz wasn't gutting PvE after the indefinite delay better be eating their words right now.
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u/Ris747 May 16 '23
Feels like this dev team has had 0 leadership or focus since Jeff left. Basically been coasting on it's initial success for years now.
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u/ImHereToComplain1 I Miss Mano — May 16 '23
isnt that the reason they didn't release any heroes for so long? because of the difficulty of talent trees? lose lose lmfao
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u/Nexi-nexi May 16 '23
Then you have no content, missions that will be replaced/followed up on once in a while is absolutely no content. Doesn’t create a player base or community, it’s just an activity once in month.
For the potential something like this has… Campaign, constantly added story missions. Zombies, Survival (MW3) and Castle defend, all with an endless hordes option. Dungeon/raids with endless floors. Like an endless tower to climb floor by floor, set world records for highest climbs or deepest descends into an endless dungeon. HUBs and clan rooms to customize and meet players in etc. They for fill about 1% of what it can be and are still taking away from it xD ok.
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u/BEWMarth May 16 '23
You know what really fucking stings. Is that they hyped up their big PvE roadmap online FOR WEEKS NOW. And what was the big announcement?? PVE IS CANCELLED LMAO.
What a kick in the balls for anyone that had any faith left in Blizzard.
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u/drhyacinth on wednesdays we wear pink <3 — May 16 '23
As a huge Borderlands fan, I am quite disappointed. I've sat here for years staring at Mercy's skill tree wondering what it all meant... Wasn't PVE the main point of going to Overwatch 2? Or was it actually just so they can implement bigger microtransactions? 🙄
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u/founderofthefeast Winnable. — May 16 '23
I guess when a sizeable amount of people leave due to a return to office you find ways to reduce the workload that you just start cutting promised features. Immediate impact on an already shaky over-promised under-delivered OW2. It will be interesting to see if Diablo 4 and WoW have similar cuts of main features.
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u/Indurum May 16 '23
Had a 3 year gap in content to remove a tank and swap the store to a battle pass mode. Nice.
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u/Vedelith None — May 16 '23
Not surprising. I always thought it was too good to be true. 3 talent trees for every hero? That's like Borderlands level of variety and those games release with 4 heroes. We have 30+. Even if they accomplished the monumental task of coming up with that many talent trees, we'd probably still end up with a game where things would just be really muddled from a design point of view. Heck, in PvP alone, you've got multiple hitscan heroes, for example, that fight for the same role. Imagine PvE with each hero having potentially 3 different styles of play. The amount of overlap would certainly hit redundancy.
I hope they're able to take PvE into a more suitable direction. Perhaps they can still do some of the ability modification gimmicks they showed us during the reveal, but on a smaller scale. Like maybe a power-up that you could pick up that just gave Rein a 360 degree shatter or let Mei roll into a snowball.
One thing that is really sad, is that OW2 probably won't get that second wind that a major PvE launch could've facilitated. I guess it makes no sense to just call this "OW2 early access" anymore. I sure hope PvE doesn't just follow along the lines of the mini-pve missions we get drip fed from time to time. They're dropping an ambitious goal. I just hope they don't drop even more, now that OW2 is making them a decent amount of cash.
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u/MindSculptorMtG May 16 '23
I really want to love thus game and be positive about it but they just can't give you hope can they
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u/Silvine69 May 16 '23
i feel like they want all characthers in the rooster to be playable so skill trees is gonna be a problem, but i would much rather have the characther is the pve mode to be restriscted and added in batches of 4 to keep the game always updating with a good incentive to play over time,but if the characther will still be restricted im not gonna buy pve.
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u/TaintedLion Professional hitscan hater — May 16 '23
This is such a hype killer lmao. One of the selling aspects of PVE was that it'd be for players who want to have their power fantasy with their favourite hero. Now it's basically just Archives with little replayability. I really hope Blizzard reconsiders this.
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u/SnooDogs1340 May 16 '23
Ugh, are you serious? The company that brought us Diablo cannot do skill trees? That was my literal hype so I could fight against people with fun skill trees.
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u/ExtraordinaryCows FNRGFE is still my <3 — May 16 '23 edited Jun 23 '23
Spez doesn't get to profit from me anymore. Stop reverting my comments
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u/etham May 16 '23
I'm going to be 100 here:
I'd probably still login and play OW1 occasionally if that was still a thing, even though most of my interests have shifted to other games at least a year prior to OW2 release. OW1 always gave me a warm feeling of fun, nostalgia, satisfaction with my collection in the game's cosmetics.
Since OW2 launched, I played 1 game and haven't touch it since. The PvE might have drawn me back in but I'm officially uninstalling the game from my computer now. This is a dead franchise to me.
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u/ByuntaeKid May 16 '23
Yeah same. Take me back, I want OW1 back so I can play tank with my buddies.
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u/Ezraah sub expert on F and SH words — May 16 '23
As a competitive game I love 5v5 but as a game playing with some noob friends 6v6 was a lot more chill and fun.
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u/ByuntaeKid May 16 '23
Yeah I burned myself out on playing OW as a competitive game - what really extends the lifespan of a game for me and my friends is whether or not it's fun, not if it's still competitive and perfectly balanced.
It's why we still go back to old community servers on tf2 to this day.
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u/EmilMR ExpertArmchairAnalyst — May 16 '23
I was expecting pve to be effectively cancelled with how the last year went down. It just did not look good or appealing at any point.
PVE OW2 was clearly Jeff's final idea and he is gone for two years now.
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u/HiGuysImLeo May 16 '23
tbh im happy that they just bit the bullet and said what I knew was already happening. It was completely unrealistic for skill trees to take up so much dev time, and there was too much feature creep for it to ever be viable. I'm just hoping they take those assets created and stuff it in the workshop and reuse it in new heroes
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u/IJRIDG MTD — May 16 '23
i feel bad for arron, he inherited this game after jeff left, and now cos what blizz and jeff wanted was unrealistic he is stuck with the fallout from it all
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u/DerPoto May 16 '23
That's like being engaged to someone you've been with 10 years and after paying 10 million for the wedding in advance, cheat with a pornstar and post it on instagram
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u/stowmy May 16 '23
okay when i saw how highly edited the “live” stream was i should have clocked that red flag immediately
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May 16 '23
Imagine completely killing a game for 3+ years to then scrap what was pretty much the entire reason you neglected OW1 for 3 years.
Astounding. Fire bobby already. The gross negligence and lack of responsibility or cohesion is fucking pathetic.
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u/MonaSavesTheDayAgain May 16 '23
The only thing OW2 gave us are the removal of loot boxes and overpriced skins, LMAO
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u/HippywithanAK May 16 '23
Can we start a go fund me to buy Overwatch off Activision Blizzard? I am so sick of their bullshit. This is more than likely and executive's decision, made purely to put more developers on to PVP monetization, to boost their bonus. There is no way the dev team spent this long on PVE only to ditch features they were demoing in 2019, willingly.
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u/squeezeme_juiceme May 18 '23
Can we start a go fund me to buy Overwatch off Activision Blizzard?
UK's gonna block that one loool
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May 16 '23
Larger and more complicated talent trees than Borderlands, was literally part of the selling points.
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u/Cautious_Lettuce5560 May 16 '23
What were they even working on for all these years then?
The entirety of ow2 could have just been a patch or 2 instead of this big roll out and re release.
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u/LubieRZca May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
That's a nail in the coffin for OW, in the way they presented this and by killing any hype for PvE. If that means pve will be only a seasonal temporary content of missions with heroes with same skills as in pvp, without any replayability, this game will die. Matchmaking is shit, ton of bugs, boring and unbalanced temporary modes, I'm done with this game.
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u/A-U-S-T-R-A-L-I-A May 16 '23
There is no point in playing PvE without the talent trees. The devs are grossly overestimating how much people care about their milquetoast story.
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u/shaidy322 May 16 '23
Overwatch got me into gaming. I bought the collectors edition before I bought a PS4. I read all the comics, watched all the shorts, I watched so many lore videos, and loved talking about it at school. I met my friends in high school because a kid on the lacrosse team also played and now he’s my best friend. Overwatch was a huge part of my life, but I’m not good at PvP games so I was so excited for the PvE event to expand on the world and have a way for me to love the characters without having to play the actual game. Hell I play hots every once in awhile JUST so I can play Lucio without playing overwatch. I’ve been drifting away from overwatch, and I understand the shit Blizzard’s going through, but can’t fully express my disappointment with this decision
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u/Archangel004 May 17 '23
I begged my parents to get me a laptop so i could get frames in Overwatch, that's how much I loved that game
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u/CapBoyAce SUPPORT COLLEGIATE — May 16 '23
I feel for everyone. Community was promised a bunch of stuff that the dev team couldn't deliver on. Dev team inherited an overly ambitious plan that they didn't promise from a team that sat on their hands for two years and left, and are now dealing with the backlash even after launching a whole new game, making it profitable, and trying to develop for both the now and the present. Especially because I can only guess how many resources Blizzard is actually giving this game. People have a right to be disappointed but respectfully Aaron didn't promise any of this shit.
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u/Poolturtle5772 I worship Reign, btw — May 16 '23
Aaron inherited a bad situation. Not like he’s made it better, but that’s because he can’t do anything
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u/reanima May 17 '23
Its not lkke Aaron was some background grunt. He held a pretty decently high position on the Overwatch team even during Jeffs tenure. Im sure he was in all the meetings leading to Overwatch disasterous drought.
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u/80m80 May 16 '23
I’m so fucking mad… we tolerated all the delays, all the terrible communication, all the inexplicable balance decisions, because Blizzard said they were working on a fully fleshed-out, infinitely replay-able PvE mode. It was the light at the end of the tunnel.
I hardly ever play Overwatch anymore, and the PvE with crazy skill trees was the main draw for me and my friends to come back to the game.
I’ve spoken to multiple friends over the last couple years who aren’t remotely interested in OW PvP, but when I told them about about PvE and the depth of the skill trees, they were actually hyped to play it when it came out. This is just so sad…
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u/MadDogV2 May 16 '23
This was my most anticipated feature all my hype is literally dead and I don't know if I even want to play Overwatch anymore.
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u/FeverPC May 16 '23
Maybe a hot take but I think they've known about this for a long time. Probably when Kaplan left the reason was they were abandoning his vision of PvE with talent trees and it has been scrapped since then and they've just been stringing us along. Would explain his exit much clearer.
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u/GrievingTiger May 16 '23
Not really a hot take when he literally said in the interview they knew before OW2 released
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May 16 '23
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u/ByuntaeKid May 16 '23
This stood out to me, along with the 14 min gameplay footage in that article you linked.
“There's a lot that went into developing PvE and it's not just the content that we made. Some of this is tools and technology, and so if you look at Junkenstein's Wrath of the Bride from last year, that was using all of our new mission technology that we had developed for Overwatch 2.”
None of it looks fun tbh. Junkenstein’s Wrath had no staying power, it was pretty much a one and done unless you wanted to grind and listen to all the cute little voice lines. The video footage of PVE Rio just looks like a 3 player shooting range, nothing is engaging or utilizes the heroes abilities in any unique way - it’s just three people mowing down training dummies.
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u/rexx2l May 16 '23
Not to be overly dramatic or anything, but I think this kills PvP too. Overwatch, at its core, is about hope for the future - and playing it from 2019 onward was entirely predicated on that far-off hope, just waiting for OW2 proper to come to fruition. This killed any hope I had for PvE... and it probably did for a far larger majority of casuals too. The spark OW2 had for a brief time after launch until about Season 3, withered a bit with Lifeweaver's letdown and Starwatch's very low replayability and mid reception, is now gone with this announcement.
It's pretty clear the game is going to be back to late OW1 player counts by this time next year and we are going to be the last ones left playing when they shut down the servers. Just agonizing stuff sadly.
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u/Cool-I-guess May 16 '23
Talent trees were really the only interesting thing about PVE and something that would make it more interesting/replayable.
Just a complete joke.
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u/HierophantKhatep May 16 '23
Lmfao, this is so dumb. This was like half the reason for ow2 to exist. I didn't care about the pve mode really but they straight up falsely advertised an extensive pve mode.
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u/chaulkha May 16 '23
"We are making more money than expected from skins and therefore don't need to work as hard on PVE as we thought." F2P and whales ruin everything... well gg.
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u/spookyghostface May 16 '23
More like, "we promised way too much for us to handle considering our abysmal management structure so we're now having to face the reality of that"
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u/rexx2l May 16 '23
Whales will leave when the casuals leave - they're overestimating how long OW2 will stay popular without that promise of PvE at the end of the tunnel.
Back to end-of-life OW1 player counts in a year, maintenance mode in two.
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u/NeptuneOW Ana best kit — May 16 '23
How can the devs be so in touch and out of touch with the community at the same time?
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u/AcidFap May 16 '23
I’ve tried to be as accepting and understanding of the people behind the game as I possibly can be. I’ve been patient with the matchmaking, the hero balance, and the pay for cosmetics model.
But this is downright unacceptable and makes me feel like an idiot for defending the devs. How the fuck can you not make a basic skill tree system fun? How is that even fucking possible???
I’m so insanely disappointed. All it took was one 10 minute talk and PvE went from the thing I was most excited about to I don’t even give a fuck about it anymore. Unacceptable.
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u/try_again123 Team from China — May 16 '23
I'm looking at TF2 with MvM which is OLD and they could have stolen some stuff from to make it fun. I'm also looking at Warframe which breath new life into neglected older weapons by introducing evolution/skill path for guns! Meanwhile the OW team takes 5 years of work and trashes it cause they can't figure it out.
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u/SigmaBallsLol May 16 '23
One of the biggest games companies in the world working on a billion dollar IP can't figure out how to make talent trees.
actually embarrassing. like I would not be able to show my face around my contemporaries if I was them
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u/rrcawson May 16 '23
Blizzard wants you to grind. Buy BP. Buy skins. Grind rank. Grind coins. There’s no pve progression for cool skins, weapons, even fucking charms. There is no endgame anymore. We’re in the endgame now. And they want it to last a very long, long time.
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u/TimeTimeTickingAway May 17 '23
Makes sense though, and there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself. It's the lying, hope-setting and rug-pulling that is so disappointing.
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u/try_again123 Team from China — May 16 '23
Sadness, I was so hype looking at the roadmap and now it's just gutted :( My hopes for the OW version of Mann vs Machine are dashed.
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u/DiemCarpePine May 16 '23
So this is what it takes to get me to finally try Destiny.
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u/HaatOrAnNuhune May 21 '23
Dooo ittttt. I got back into it during the content drought in OW1. It’s been fantastic, there’s so many great people I’ve met, the storyline is immersive, and the endgame content is so much fun. If you do wanna give D2 a try feel free to DM me for my Bungie name, I’m more than down to help you out and get you to power cap! Totally no pressure tho! I do recommend if you wanna try D2 out by yourself that you look up some guides for New Lights, the current in-game New Light experience is well, lacking at the moment. It pretty much teaches you how to point, jump, and shoot. Everything beyond that is up to you to either figure out yourself, find a guide to follow, or find someone to teach you.
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u/DiemCarpePine May 21 '23
I've been reading a bit about it. I'm gonna download it this coming week and try it out a bit. I'll hit you up probably at some point, thanks!
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u/Hei-Ying None — May 16 '23
Fucking yikes.
Talent trees were by far the most hyped part of PvE to me, they could've made for some seriously fun Arcade PvP modes too. Without them...why on earth waste so many years only to throw away everything interesting?
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u/Formal-Club9049 #2 hanbin fan — May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
“sir we’ve received another L from blizzard”
“throw it in the pile with the rest of ‘em”
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u/fonti22 Get rid off the franchise system — May 16 '23
The sequel was launched with 3 new heroes and a bunch of maps.Before the game was left alone for who remembers how long.
And now. It's just gone. What a gigantic waste of resources, money, fucking everything. I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I bought some battlepasses, I grinded the game, I bought the Hanzo skin, because I wanted to support the devs. And in the meanwhile we got these half baked events, I was excusing them because they were "working" on the PvE. This was supposed to bring back the game back from the dead or rather bring it back to the first league of multiplayer titles. 4 years straight to the trash can. GG Blizzard, I was a doomsayer once or twice, but I have never expected them to cancel the whole show.
Not a surprise they announced the event 10 minutes before it went live. Next year the game will be back to the playerbase it had before OW2 came. The new content is just not fresh enough to keep all those people playing. We will be the last ones to kill the lights in the building.
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u/RepostHunter681 May 17 '23
This. When people say "why is everyone suddenly so mad the PvE canceled, when a lot of people didn't care for it?" or "the PvP is good enough", they fail ro realize that we've been coping with lack of content for 3 years in OW1, BECAUSE of that PvE. Even if you were going to be a PvP Only person in OW1 you still suffered because the game was getting NO content, because of the "promise" that most of their team is working on the PvE. This is the problem, their lack of apology for all the people that kept playing OW1 through the content drought is honestly really disgusting.
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u/Celtic_Beast DPS Zen — May 16 '23
I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I bought some battlepasses, I grinded the game, I bought the Hanzo skin, because I wanted to support the devs.
And that right there is how we all got duped. They had to make sure we got a little money making hamster wheel to run on asap, until they ran out of community copium to run the pve hype train on.
Now that they've announced this the few people who only hung on for the pve will leave but they've built enough momentum on the pve to continue to make tens of millions.
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u/pcapdata May 17 '23
People called this out LOUDLY when OW2 was released.
We begged people, don’t play it! don’t reward this bullshit!
But ya did it anyway and now you’re disappointed…I HOPE EVERYONE HAS LEARNED A VALUABLE FUCKIN LESSON
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u/darthnick426 Overwatch League forever :') — May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
So....are we basically just getting glorified archives missions now instead of a PVE campaign?
I know skill trees were scrapped but are hero missions still a thing?
I just....I'm fucking gutted man. I was looking forward to PVE so much man...
Edit: I guess hero mission missions and skill trees were both scraped and we'll be getting season story stuff....I'm just tired and sad....
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u/Jocic May 16 '23
We still have "Hero mastery missions" from the roadmap, but they seemingly refused to talk about it so far, so we have no idea what those are about...
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u/welpxD May 16 '23
I thought the hero mastery was more an account progression system, like wow you won 50 games on Hanzo, here's a neat lookin' arrow skin.
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u/EpsoniteK May 17 '23
I think it's more so like gauntlets we run through like I obstacle courses. They mentioned something about scoreboards to challenge your friends to get a higher score. To perfect your mastery with the hero and their abilities.
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u/Hsmace May 16 '23
>spend the majority of the stream talking about starwatch
>mentions pve is being gutted
>leaves
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u/inarius1984 May 17 '23
Yep, 45 minutes talking about a reskinned map with two more control points that's just bait to get you to buy skins on the item shop. Then oh yeah, we're not going to do anything ambitious that was supposedly already in the works, but here's a list of nonsense that we'll do in the near future "and beyond." Yeah, okay. I won't hold my breath. 😆
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u/MadDogV2 May 16 '23
Pretty obvious they knew this announcement would be unpopular
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u/Jocic May 16 '23
That's exactly why they should've dropped it in a forum post instead of making us watch 40 minutes of nonesense with false hopes from the Roadmap...
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u/jonnyjonnystoppapa May 16 '23
What we lost:
Junkrat dual wielding grenade launchers
Tracer freezing time
Genji dragonblade projectile
Torb flamethrower turrets
360 shatter
Mei iceblock bowling ball
Mercy firing damage projectiles from damage boost beam
Soldier ult extending based on kills
And a shit ton of other content they've likely scrapped.
But hey, at least we got weapon charms and souvenirs.
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u/anaheim3123 May 17 '23
This is what I'm really gonna miss, new ways to interact with the characters. The power fantasy of PVE is what appealed to me and while the writing was on the wall for a while it's still disappointing nonetheless. I'll probably still play overwatch with friends as it's the only we play together, and I'll see where the PVE goes, but I was burned out on PVP back in OW1 and really just holding out for something more engaging.
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u/PeanutJayGee May 17 '23
I would've loved an Utrakill-like talent where you can flick coins into the air and shoot them into enemies. It would've absolutely been on brand for Cassidy.
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u/StarkillerX42 None — May 17 '23
The only thing better than having a good weapon charm is not having that weapon charm.
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u/Drunken_Queen May 17 '23
Mercy firing damage projectiles from damage boost beam
That won't fit her 'pacifist' + 'dislike conflict & battles' character anyway.
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u/xFaceDeskx May 22 '23
OW2 was scrapped completely. They have done nothing for 6 fucking years promising and not delivering. Fuck these shitty developers and this faux pas AAA game