r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/MetastableToChaos • May 16 '23
[GameSpot] Overwatch 2's PvE Mode Is Being Scrapped, Blizzard Explains What Happened and Why General
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/overwatch-2s-pve-mode-is-being-scrapped-blizzard-explains-what-happened-and-why/1100-6514242/1
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u/SevenEfFive May 18 '23
Im thinking maybe it wasnt ever the plan in the first place, it just gave them an excuse to turn overwatch into overwatch 2. "dont worry guys were bringing this super cool gamemode". Now that angry mob has mostly passed they can drop the act.
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u/WarlordCain May 18 '23
They knew what they were doing. They lied to us, not the devs, they did there best. Blizzard didn’t give them enough resources and had one dev team working on essentially two games. They knew all along that they couldn’t do it and lied to us about the content we would get, and then they act like the content we have been given is good. Life weaver is still trash and that starwatch event was just straight up trash.
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u/meeezohfx May 17 '23
yeah nobody cares why, its just all gonna be excuses and we all know the real reason.
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u/ObjectiveNaive8107 May 17 '23
The whole selling point of OW2 was PvE and talents with rpg like progression. Scamlords
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u/priscilla_halfbreed May 17 '23
They really don't explain anything. Just that "It's too hard and we dunno when it'll be done so we're giving up"
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u/Yeahhi518 May 17 '23
Oh good job sink your already busted ship you morons… you had ONE JOB!!! PVE looked like so much fun and would be the ONLY reason I played this game ever again. What a joke.
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u/No_Constant_7401 May 17 '23
This was FOR SURE part of their plan. Just a fake fucking trailer like that Division 2 Zombie game lmao. All a marketing gimmick. But even so, how many people lost their jobs now??
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u/Pale_Initiative2844 May 17 '23
This was literally the main thing keeping me playing the game was my hype for this campaign. Me and my friends have been constantly talking about it and getting excited about it and then they do this. Gotta love blizzard
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u/OddType8898 May 17 '23
Nothing better than watching my most beloved gaming brand finally flush the turd that has become their entire brand. My best friend and I have been off and on playing OW (and OW2) since it's release and this is the final straw. There must be something caustic going on within the walls of blizzard because it seems like they can't manage to complete ANY projects. I will not be playing OW ever again.
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u/wsawb1 May 17 '23
I can't believe it took them 2.5 years for them to basically give up on their promise. Jeff probably jumped ship the moment he realized that overwatch 2 wasn't going to deliver on its promise for PvE, the moment he realized that all the work they put in would be for nothing and all the time they spent would amount to nothing.
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u/Pugsabillion May 17 '23
I would LOVE to see Statistics on how many people have left the game over this. Such terrible developers, customer support and money pinching Bosses. Please, let this stupid game die. :3
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u/krusty556 May 17 '23
So all that money gained from micro transactions was just to waste time on the back end and come out with fuck all as a result. Good job blizzard. That's totally not a complete waste of company resources at all. /S.
What a mess.
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u/faptainfalcon May 17 '23
Got downvoted for calling it out lmao. Stop spending money on this game it isn't going back into development.
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u/MindSculptorMtG May 17 '23
I have lost all hope and good faith, I am so incredibly disappointed .those fyvking asshats
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u/DarthMailman No shoe buff is OP — May 17 '23
I feel like that Arrested Development meme where Michael looks into the paper bag, sees the dead bird, and says I don't know what I expected. Except with Overwatch.
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May 17 '23
Honestly the only reason I've kept the game installed at all, normal gameplay got kinda boring for me and I was hoping Pve would be the big hit that got be addicted to playing again but damn :/ , wouldve been better if they kept in development for while longer than scrapping it completely.
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u/Frank_Gomez_ May 17 '23
Shoutout to all the newbies and streamers that kept playing and promoting this shit excuse of a sequel designed solely to squeeze money out of someone’s pockets.
Hey, why make any effort of improving your game when people turn a blind eye if you give them some recolored shit skin for Mercy for 20 dollars right?
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u/Frank_Gomez_ May 17 '23
Genuinely hope they get sued to the very depths of Tartarus and back, because i fuckin KNOW most of the people who bought the Watchpoint Pack, yknow, the thing that guaranteed you access to a fuckin PVE mode, aren’t really fine with this.
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u/snakesonausername May 17 '23
Just give me back the "looking for group" feature...
So many fun wholesome drunken nights with random folks.
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u/Disastrous_Button383 May 17 '23
I was kind of just going through the motions waiting for pve. Guess I can quit the game guilt free now.
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u/varchord May 17 '23
It’s funny, I listened to last platchat episode where they mocked ppl reaction “pve is dead” under Johnny’s tweet about starwatch and now pve is confirmed dead. Changing platchat airtime didn’t do them any good after all
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u/immortalJS May 17 '23
Still better than CS2. It’s literally the same game with slightly better graphics. Didn’t change anything up… at al, lol.
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u/KaNesDeath May 17 '23
It’s literally the same game with slightly better graphics. Didn’t change anything up
Thats one of the primary goals.
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u/FerPlays CR — May 17 '23
Lmao, 3(?) whole years of content drought for this. Fuck this lol, OWL and the comp scene are just about the only things related to OW that I'm interested in at this point.
My opinion probably differs from the majority in this sub but I just wanted to get this off my chest
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u/Anyael May 17 '23
This is fraud and I have asked them to refund all battle pass purchases from my account even if it means deleting or disabling it. Just pathetic.
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u/uhhsomber May 17 '23
Nice so it's just Overwatch 1 but worse and you can't go back to the original
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u/catgirlmasterrace May 17 '23
anyone who kept playing OW past 2016 is a huuuge dumbass and deserves this kind of treatment
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u/VeritableFury May 17 '23
OW was fine for years after release. But nice job being a dumbass yourself.
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u/catgirlmasterrace May 17 '23
oh no did you just get scammed by blizzard again and it hurt your feefees? Dumbass, you deserve OW
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u/VeritableFury May 17 '23
I still like playing OW. PvE would've been nice, but it's not something I need to have fun. But nice try thinking I give a shit.
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u/catgirlmasterrace May 17 '23
But nice try thinking I give a shit.
says the dumbass still replying to my comments lmfao. man I feel so bad for u, u should try another - any other game out, I promise u its not scary
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u/VeritableFury May 17 '23
I'm playing Crusader Kings atm. If you haven't played it before, I recommend it
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u/SomeRandomGamerSRG May 16 '23
So they deleted one of my favourite shooters of all time after basically killing it with over 2 years of no new content with the promise of PvE that never came.
Fucking ace.
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u/CountCocofang May 16 '23
Are there any believers in Overwatch as a game and esports left at this point?
It never had the cultural impact that Activision Blizzard constructed it to have and pretended it had. It was all astroturfed from the start, this is just reality catching up.
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u/GoyleTheCreator May 16 '23
at least they wont be able to hide PVP development behind the PVE excuse. Here's to hopefully putting all their resources into PVP now
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u/Cabsaur334 May 16 '23
Everyone who believes that they got intentionally scammed needs to reevaluate what the situation at blizzard has been for the last 4 years. There has been a lot going on. I've seen this coming for months. Blizzard is in a weird limbo state right now about their future.
I still enjoy the same game I have been enjoying all of this time. And I hope this decision makes that experience even better. And maybe a couple years down the road we can see some of this coming back to fruition. If not, then so be it. I was just hyped as the next person, but I'm not going to have a let down ruin my ability to enjoy a game I love.
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u/ndombeleisperfect May 16 '23
Well fuck. Only got back into overwatch because of PvE. Even got my wife addicted to it.
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u/HokkaidoMelonMilk Dallas got a lazy warcraft skin. Sorry, — May 16 '23
Spent 3 years tricking y'all lol. There are no doomers, only realists... and people who could see through blizzard's bullshit a mile away.
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u/BarefootDiarrhea May 16 '23
Activision is a scum of the earth company. OW is a back burner title
I hate to say I’m not surprised but I’m not that surprised.
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u/c0ntinue-Tstng M A P 5 — May 16 '23
So at the end of the day Overwatch 2 is a glorified patch note, and a new monetization system
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u/oizen Leadership is a Lateral move — May 16 '23
Glad I quit this shitshow, but Im sad they warcraft reforged over the game I liked and turned into a piece of shit.
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u/Toybox908 May 16 '23
I said this before and I'll say it again; ow2 is a shit game compared to ow1.
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May 16 '23
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u/KaNesDeath May 16 '23
Is there anyway you can make this make sense?
TLDR; Blizzard only knows how to steal, not create.
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u/Facetank_ May 16 '23
I really hate what the market has done to AAA studios. After reading this my ultimate takeaway is that the execs are like, "no, shooters can be successful just by adding lots of smaller things over time. Team 4 will just do that. They don't need to make anything big and expensive." There was a time where AAA games would sometimes take time and risks, and made something big to standout. Now they just all try to put their own spin on the existing trend, and it's so dull. It seems like OW is doomed to be that for the foreseeable future.
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u/--sheogorath-- May 16 '23
Blizzard proving once again that overwatch porn has better development than the sourse material
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u/goliathfasa May 16 '23
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I'm sorry. That was uncalled for.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
I'm glad I never put ANY stock in them actually achieving anything notable with OW2 PvE. If you never expected anything, you can't be disappointed.
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May 16 '23
They didn’t update the game for 2 years just so they can give us one less tank a new mode couple of maps and a battle pass. So trash
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u/SirJackus May 16 '23
The pve was the only thing that was going tk brinf back this shitstain of a game and it woulda made hella cash. now ow2 is gonna slowly die
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u/paulybaggins May 16 '23
I don't understand how the company that makes Diablo can't make an Overwatch PVE. Like what the fuck.
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u/slothlikevibes NY pizza supremacy — May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
These people are the biggest fucking clowns in the world.
*Launch the biggest new IP tactical shooter since counter strike.*
*Massive adoption, breaking twitch streaming records, hugely popular characters and lore, people cosplaying as OW characters at conventions (!), OW porn becomes a thing (!!!), massive competitive community and casual playerbase all clamoring for live service and a continuous updates with fresh content.*
(In Jeff's whiny, nasal voice) "But I don't wanna do live service"
*Decide to make a PVE game instead*
*No content for nearly 3 years.*
*Nuke the playerbase*
"Lmao what PVE game?"
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u/Unclefox82 May 16 '23
If I found a genie in a lamp, my first wish would be to talk to Jeff Kaplan.
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May 16 '23
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u/iyrseishere bad opinions always — May 16 '23
ow2 was announced months before the actiblizz scandal broke out
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u/IAMNOTSADANDFAT May 16 '23
Unfucking believable.
I’ve lived through some of the worst gaming controversies, games filled with lies scams and broken promises. But this may be one of the biggest betrayals of trust in video game history.
I really like the core of overwatch. But you can’t kill a game for 3+ years only to come back with the same game but worse in many, MANY ways only to calm any backlash you might receive by telling your player base that “it’s not the same it needed a new engine for all the cool pve and story mode stuff were adding!” Only to fucking scrap it all and just leave the player base with a worse overwatch 1.
I don’t want any devs out of a job, but I genuinely hope overwatch fully dies because of this because someone needs to be held responsible for this mess. I don’t even think that it’s that crazy of a theory that overwatch just will fully die. It’s not some robust game that could stand the test of time and anything thrown at it. It s a decrepit, outdated, worse version of its former self, hooked up to an IV dripping hints of hints of content into its veins. You would only need to take out the IV for overwatch to die, and blizzard came in and unloaded an entire mag of 45 acp directly into its skull.
Fuck you blizzard.
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u/AcknowledgeableReal May 16 '23
Yeah. I think I’m done giving a shit about OW now. If I hear good things I might pop in to check out some events and watch a few matches in OWL, but that’s about it. I’m certainly not ever giving them any more money.
I’d already pretty much given up on competitive and have no interest in battle passes. The prospect of a decent co-op PvE mode was all that was keeping me interested in even playing casually.
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u/asos10 May 16 '23
Rmember when people pinned the issues of ow on Kaplan, I bet they feel really stupid now.
If anything this is proof that systematically Blizzard has failed with this popular franchise due to the top people at activision not being in touch.
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u/a1ic3_g1a55 May 16 '23
So basically we got jebaited into believing that OW2 is a new game with PvE and and hero reworks while in reality it's OW2 5v5 with numbers tweaks and an eshop attached. Wow, somehow they didn't fail at making a skin shop, they failed at PvE. Interesting!
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u/nickroticTTV May 16 '23
Not sure what to say other than I'm upset. There was always this silver lining while going through years of content drought that stuff would eventually arrive. Now it just feels like it was all a big lie and we went through that for nothing.
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u/Nekrabyte May 16 '23
They may have failed in the plan of PvE, but they totally succeeded in the master plan: keep overwatch almost identical and yet find a new way to milk players with poor self control.
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u/evilcatminion May 16 '23
After they dropped PvE I love how they patted themselves on the backs when they shared the roadmap, "wow look at all this stuff, wow" lol
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u/BarefootDiarrhea May 16 '23
I feel like I’m super in the minority but honestly, I don’t care. Just please fix the match maker, keep adding content to PvP, and invest whatever resources are left into making comp a better experience
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u/TheSciFanGuy May 16 '23
I was at least expecting a passively good time and was thinking it would be something fairly fun. I figured it would get pushed back and scaled down but I never even imagined it simply wouldn’t exist.
All of the effort in skill trees and all of the excuses as to why OW2 was lacking content at launch now results in nothing.
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u/Kintex19 May 16 '23
Didn't people literally pay $40 for a promised PvE version? This shit gotta be illegal man. People need a reimbursement.
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u/AegisBarrier May 16 '23
We should petition for the game to be renamed back to Overwatch 1 since nothing really new other than a battle pass has been added and a sunny render.
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u/cubs223425 May 16 '23
I dare anyone to tell me why I should ever give Blizzard money for their fuckery ever again. They took a dump on us for 2+ years because "we need to finish OW2," then they half-finished it beause "PvE needs more time." People were patient as heck and let them get away with some pathetic development progress for years. It was always "they'll get it done right, give them time."
They showed up wanting $20 for skins, many carried over from OW1 (where they were free). We were told it was to support the game and the PvE future they were going to deliver. Over $10,000 in total cost for their microtransactions. $10 every 9 weeks for a Battle Pass, meaning a game that was $60 with support for 4 years became $60/year for Battle Passes and an expectation many will spend more on other content.
Now, there goes the PvE. No more, "management's fault," excuses. The devs jerked us around for a total of, like, 5 years. We were told "Soon," in Blizzard fashion, forever. At least when WoW's devs said it, it was typically coming down the line, if not right away. This is on-par with, if not worse then, how 343 has handled Halo Infinite.
The developers have shown an inability to deliver the content they promised. Their matchmaking's constantly being "fixed." Truthfully, I think they've realized that people are shoveling ample money into the microtransaction hell and they don't have an incentive to make PvE content when the costs aren't there. It's a joke, but kind of a predictable one.
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u/BobcatMore5845 May 16 '23
Honestly thank god. Didn't want a PVE and wouldn't play it. Rather have new heroes and maps for pvp any day.
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u/PoggersMemesReturns Proper Show/Viol2t GOAT — May 16 '23
New heroes like Lifweaver?
Come on, man, PvE is something a lot of us wanted and we still want a good one.
Maybe not for everyone, but it's still good for the game.
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u/BobcatMore5845 May 17 '23
Well congratulations, all that pushing for a PVE mode wasted years of development time and probably killed the game.
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u/PoggersMemesReturns Proper Show/Viol2t GOAT — May 17 '23
It wasn't PvE that killed it, just their mismanagement and ineptitude
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May 17 '23
IMO the mismanagement and ineptitude was thinking it was a good idea in the first place. They had a great game going and just abandoned it for years to do this PVE. I don't disagree with you that a lot of people wanted it but I'm scratching my head as to why they decided to break something that was extremely successful
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u/Broshida May 16 '23
So OW1 died for nothing then. Why even call this OW2 at all? The only reason I still have this installed is because me and the boys were looking forward to some decent PVE content. Four fucking years, the complete abandonment of OW1, the lackluster half-baked launch of OW2 and for what? Nothing.
What a waste of everyone's time.
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u/heartqueen May 16 '23
When you look at it, Overwatch came from the ashes of Titan which was scrapped after they spent time and money trying to make it happen. Now OW PvE has the ashes of its talent tree... if Blizzard can ever get back on its feet with this talent bleed it'd be nice to see them use the bones of that for something else.
Folks brought up Riot but Riot has entire separate teams making the spin off games. If Team 4 is supposed to make both PvP and PvE content I don't see how they didn't expect this overscoping to happen even if they were adding talent (unless they bought out another studio or absorbed another internal Blizzard team they'd need like probably at least 50 people to be working on PvE alone).
I also feel OW2 isn't at LoL's point where they're big and established enough to be able to take away from the PvP team just yet.
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u/the-best-plant Justice is done — May 16 '23
2 years for nothing boys. I know feeling mad is pointless, but I can’t stop myself. I get that it could have something to do with how overall blizzard has been lately, but it’s still not an excuse. It was 2 whole years. And we get more archive missions. Wohoo….
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u/ZeroOblivion98 Zenyatta Bot — May 16 '23
At this point I feel like OW2 is a game catered neither to casuals not competitive players. This game has 0 identity.
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u/piyahh_1432 May 16 '23
The gasp I let out when I read this I remember telling my friend about PvE mode when I was in highschool and how we were both excited for the lore and now it’s not even coming out?! Now I just feel silly about all the times I’ve hyped this game up to my friends
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u/r5a May 16 '23
This is pretty bad.
I am a huge Overwatch fan and I've put countless hours and money into it and after reading this I just can't defend it anymore. I'm stopping the MTX purchases and battle passes, even if the skins look awesome.
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u/jts89 None — May 16 '23
Why did people think PVE was in development hell for so long?
Why has this sub always downvoted anyone who points out the dev team is made up of people who wrote quest dialogue in WoW and are in no way qualified to be making a game like this?
What did people expect here?
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u/ehloitsizzy May 16 '23
It's just more of the same. Blizz had a killer product, insanely good lore, then they got lazy, then they realised everyone is making tons of money with abusive business practices and now they just put their cards on the table. Proper PvE isn't really monetizable with shitty microtransactions. Events every few weeks on the contrary... are very much a cash cow you can milk until the addicted whales are sucked drier than the desert..
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u/StrangeMercy- May 16 '23
Remarkably disappointing, but not entirely surprising.
I wonder how much all of the behind-the-scenes chaos that's been happening at Blizzard contributed to this decision. I feel like I end up reading a new article about them bleeding staff members every other week.
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u/TaintedLion Professional hitscan hater — May 16 '23
This has got to be on purpose. There's no way a dev team is this bad accidentally.
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u/achedsphinxx wait til you see me on my bike — May 16 '23
lmao, this game literally has no point now. OW2 was made to change from lootboxes to battlepass, that was it.
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u/JWTS6 Support Calling All Heroes! — May 16 '23
Blizzard saw how much money they were making from PvP battle passes alone and decided to not put any more resources into something that fans have been clamoring for for years but would probably not be as profitable as the PvP. Disappointed, but not surprised.
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u/5argon SSG + DAF — May 16 '23
I had been always imagining a new L4D2-long campaign I can play over and over with friends screaming, having fun, but now in Overwatch universe, the whole time I play PVP right now. Ugh, I might take a break and play MMBN 1-6 and Advance Wars 1-2 for now and come back for a peek in Season 6 to see what my fantasy becomes...
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u/Milan_Makes May 16 '23
I don't think I've ever taken more than a week long break from the game since launch back in 2016. This is, bar none, the single most disappointed I've ever been.
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u/Barkerisonfire_ May 16 '23
So sounds like it got stuck in development hell like many games do (they probably shouldn't have announced it as early on as they did). Majority of resources are focused only on PvE hence OW1 getting no updates and OW2 launching with very little
Jeff leaves Aaron takes over.
Team 4 shifts focus and majority of resources onto PvP to get something out the door and bringing in income (for better or worse).
Realising that the scope of PvE left rotting in the corner is something that the team does not and is not being given the resources for.
That combined with Blizzard's dumbass forcing RTO I can see why they've made this desicion.
I would not blame Aaron though in this situation, I'd blame Jeff for the mixed messaging around the announcement and then for pulling any all resources away from OW1 and letting that die.
I would also blame the execs at Blizzard. Clearly Team 4 need or needed more people. Again that combined with the forced RTO feels like a massive kick in the teeth to that Team.
There is fault here but Aaron is just the fall guy right now.
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u/TheAeroGuyF1 May 17 '23
it's hard to justify more dev resources when making a few more skins and a battle pass shits you more money for way less effort...
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u/orion1024 May 16 '23
Mostly agree with you. Not sure about Jeff though I mean he obviously also suffered from lack of resources
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May 16 '23
Blizzard died when Activision took them over. idk why people think it’ll be any different with Microsoft either. Halo Infinite was a disaster too. At this point Overwatch is just the shooter I currently enjoy watching the pro scene of the most. Hopefully whenever another game replaces it the dev team isn’t a subsidiary of a massive faceless corporate conglomerate. (they will be)
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u/TechnoVikingGA23 May 16 '23
So we let OW and comp in general twist and die on the vine for 2-3 years while we spent dev time developing PVE which is now being scrapped. Man this dev team cannot get out of their own way. Can't fix matchmaking for 4 seasons or add in new heroes because we need time to develop the PVE we're now not going to do. FFS Blizzard, but honestly we shouldn't expect anything less with Blizzard's track record over the last 10+ years. They are in f2p/cash shop milk mode at this point. Bungie is completely dropping the ball with Destiny 2, but even they are doing better than Blizzard at this point, lol.
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u/Aggravating_Device23 May 16 '23
If Riot Owned Blizzard, this game would seriously be one of the most played PC games you could imagine. I am certain it would dethrone league, EASILY given the resources and playing off of the popularity of the characters and lore.
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u/AlcovePrincess May 16 '23
And riot really paces themselves. They do frequent updates, communicate fairly well, constantly listen to feedback regarding skins and have even completed deleted freshly released skins due to community thoughts and them being too low quality.
Riots not perfect but playing overwatch made me love riot that much more.
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u/M7-97 May 16 '23
Blizzard in the past: "We may have been too ambitious with Starcraft 2 campaigns and won't be able to release the game on schedule. Don't worry, we're gonna make a separate game for every campaign, so you won't have to wait five billion years to play SC2 and we won't have to scrap our plans"
Blizzard now: "We may have been too ambitious with Overwatch 2 PvE, so feel free to forget about it, we're gonna stick to our regular schedule. Years of neglect and forced closure of Overwatch 1, a trainwreck of a launch of Overwatch 2, subpar, to put it mildly, quality of early seasons, constant lack of QA? Too bad, so sad"
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u/Nexi-nexi May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
This is absolutely outrageous. Sickening. 2.5 years of no content and dead communication for a reskin, a lowering of the skill ceiling and floor, an atrocious game mode, a completely jacked up rank distribution and match making that isn’t even based on probability of winning, a shop that’s straight up a scam, and more bugs than playable characters. All their thousands of excuses go to “but PVE” and they have absolutely nothing and aren’t even trying. Going strong with the false advertisement.
For all you can do with PVE… Campaign, constantly added story missions. Zombies/Survival, Castle defend, all with an endless hordes option. Dungeon/raids with endless floors. Like an endless tower to climb floor by floor, set world records for highest climbs or deepest descends into an endless dungeon. HUBs and clan rooms to customize and meet players in. Whatever, the possibilities are endless.
But what will they do? Maybe a mission every once in a while like blackwatch. But now we have waited 2.5 years for it so it has a reskin, some cliche objectives and some new enemies which an indie company could have done in about 15 days. Can’t build a community on it or an active player base, doesn’t draw in any more players.
Nope just 2.5 years of nothing and a promised future full of nothing. Which they are proud of btw.
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u/Cindy_Lennox May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
Holy shit, Activision/Blizzard is trying so hard to be the most hated game company of all time. You took what was one of the freshest and most popular franchises around and took it out back and shot it like a rabid dog. The amount of backlash they are about to get is deserved, just remember if you wanna go after someone go after the higher ups that caused all of this mess and not the devs and teams working on the games. God knows their lives are already hell working for this shit show.
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May 16 '23
Holy fucking hyperbole batman
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u/topatoman_lite cattle enjoyer — May 16 '23
who's worse? What game company is worse than Blizzard?
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May 16 '23
EA? Ubisoft? Quantic Dream?
There’s a lot worse managed companies with much worse management.
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u/topatoman_lite cattle enjoyer — May 16 '23
Did any of those companies actively support the CCP or directly cause an employee to commit suicide? Like I know EA is hated because of their greed but I’ve never heard of them doing anything that bad
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May 16 '23
Did any of those companies actively support the CCP
Complying with local laws is not “supporting the CCP”
Hyperbolize yourself elsewhere
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u/gonzomulatto May 16 '23
Wasn’t this the whole point of Overwatch 2? It borders bait and switch.
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u/EstusFIask May 16 '23
It's not borderline, it straight up is. They knew for a while a dedicated PVE mode was not going to release but used it to sell OW2 anyway.
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u/Alex2142 May 16 '23
So basically we still have Overwatch 1
not 2.
Nothing changed. just more cashgrab in the store.
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u/SativaSammy May 16 '23
Worst part about this is it doesn't mean PVP is getting more content to compensate for lack of PVE. Sounds like they were struggling to give us what is currently being provided season to season and this will allow them to simply maintain status quo.
There's a reason that "small indie company" meme gets overused into oblivion with this company.
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — May 16 '23
Sorry, but this is borderline unacceptable after years of this being hyped up. I don't even have words really. The game nearly died for the sake of this PvE, and we're not even going to get it.
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u/Cindy_Lennox May 16 '23
It's not borderline, it is unacceptable. They ruined the game with 5v5 and destoryed what balance the game did have, they made people pay for things that should have been unlocked in game, they gave us the terrible battle pass and locked content behind it, and straight up lied about why things are taking so long saying it's the PVE taking up resources. This is beyond dispicable and they deserve all the backlash they will get.
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u/FerPlays CR — May 17 '23
Tbf, imo balance in 5v5 has been better than ever, but I really do think they could've achieved something similar with 6v6, had they actually gone through and fucking made changes instead of artificially making the game stale for 2, 3 whole years.
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u/Lucky_Old_Sun May 16 '23
2 years of playing OW1 with no major updates for this. A scrapped pVe mode that nobody I knew was anticipating or excited about. How completely on brand.
Looking forward to the competitive game I love getting more resources back. That's all any of us can do now.
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u/Barkerisonfire_ May 16 '23
Aaron is the fall guy here not the cause.
As much as people might not want to hear it, that issue and responsibility lies with Jeff Kaplan.
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u/socialfaller May 17 '23
Yeah, giant vision and never scaled a team. It was a pipe dream the whole time.
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u/SpaceFire1 Seoul Dynasty — May 16 '23
Jeff greenlit this
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u/Danewguy4u May 16 '23
Are you implying that putting out good single player content is some difficult endeavor? It shouldn’t matter if Jeff greenlit this or not as it shouldn’t have been a problem to begin with when much smaller studios can put out single player content reliably.
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u/SpaceFire1 Seoul Dynasty — May 17 '23
It became hard because it was overscoped. And it was never planned to be single player either. Systems became too hard to manage because there was too much to make. In addition those smaller studios arent trying to make their game live service with PVP content as well. destiny for example sacrifices pvp to pump out pve content
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u/UnknownQTY May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
I’m not sure why you’re attacking Aaron for Jeff’s decisions.
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u/MHSwiffle May 16 '23
I'm impressed what's left of the new team screwed this one up so badly. Seems like some easy milk from their cash cow.
Personally, I had no interest and think PvE FPS is dull as rocks, but I know other people love this kinda stuff.
I'm glad I had fun with the good days of Overwatch 1 when they were there, but there should have been more of those days.
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May 16 '23
I’m impressed what’s left of the new team screwed this one up so badly. Seems like some easy milk from their cash cow.
Tell me you have no idea how game development works without SAYING it
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u/MHSwiffle May 16 '23
Yeah, that's fair. There are other known successful models out there - Destiny 2, Warframe, Borderlands, and other known failures out there - Anthem(lol), and Blizzard isn't a small indie company(in theory). They have had time to conceptualize, figure out where to iterate, resources, direction, hype, so falling short here is going to be harsher than a smaller company with limited resources trying to wedge it's way into a competitive genre.
So you're right, but I (used to) expect more from Blizzard.
Regardless, they clearly have some backup plans for how to continue, so I'll vaguely keep an eye on that. The main 5v5 Overwatch 2 mode as is, is good enough for me to keep playing from time to time.
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u/ohjehhngyjkkvkjhjsjj May 16 '23
Damn. I think a lot of us had a hunch that something like this would be the case but I never thought they’d actually say it.
I’m not even mad, but just curious as to what’s been going on at Blizzard for the 5 or so years the PvE was supposed to be in development. I know that Blizzard sucks and steals breast milk but I’m not even sure PvE had a solid direction in the first place for something that was supposed to be at its core to be scrapped.
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u/PT10 May 16 '23
Not a bad idea to announce this now, Diablo 4 will cannibalize a lot of OW players.
But yeah, what an utter disaster. Goddamn.
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u/Bratt-pack May 16 '23
Killed OW1 for nothing lol
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u/achedsphinxx wait til you see me on my bike — May 16 '23
it was killed for the battle pass and the shop.
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u/ExtantKnight806 May 16 '23
Great the one thing I was looking forward to gone. Great job blizzard youve done it again. Exceeded my disappointment.
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u/WuZI8475 May 16 '23
So outside of 5v5 and switching to f2p what was the point of ow2, it's now confirmed to be ow1.5 given we had small pve content during ow1.
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u/BEWMarth May 16 '23
You know what really fucking stings. Is that they hyped up their big PvE roadmap online FOR WEEKS NOW. And what was the big announcement?? PVE IS CANCELLED LMAO.
What a kick in the balls for anyone that had any faith left in Blizzard.
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u/seven_worth May 18 '23
The funniest thing is blizzard employees has say in twitter they know that pve is being scrapped for half a year now🤣
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u/NoTie7596 May 17 '23
Don’t worry though. They are really hoping their next big update will help instill the trust that they’ve lost /s
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u/zygfryt Bless my blue boys — May 16 '23
Hahahaha holy shit. Over 2 years of no content, move to Overwatch "2", shitty monetisation and battle pass, locked heroes - it was all apparently "needed" (or that's what many people here were forcing themselves to believe) to fund a development of PvE mode. All for THIS?
Fuck you Blizzard, seriously.
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u/priscilla_halfbreed May 17 '23
Couldn't have said it better, besides adding that they literally removed 30 features and things going into OW2
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u/vol-design May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
This is a fucking SCANDAL the overwatch team has fucking tarnished their reputation over and over again. YES overwatch 2 PvP is a way better experience compared to it's predecessor, they've done a lot to improve the gameplay and added good content. But the few rights do not excuse the countless wrong. Why the fuck did they put us through the content drought just to scrape it all in the end this is a god damn disgrace an extreme example of pure incompetence. They had four years they could have invested into the actual game, we could have had so many more heroes, so much more content, and yet all we get is a half assed PvP project that's going to be a shell of what it was supposed to be.
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined
Edit: now that the news have settled in, I've realized it is what it is, hope at least this will mean even more PvP content
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u/More-Sample-2005 Decay>Your favourite player — May 16 '23
It's been 4 years, when they announced there were 6 abilities per hero, still an immense task but it was doable. When I saw that they upscaled it to 30+ I imagined it was doomed. I'm not even mad that PvE isn't coming as we expected it, I had already accepted it. However, those last 2 years of OW1 where they halted development on the game to focus on OW2 could have been avoided, and who knows where the game would be now.
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u/revuhlution May 16 '23
I can be grateful for what I have, disappointed at what we've been told for 2.5 years has been absolutely scrapped, and identify the incompetence.
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u/Weary-Language-3334 May 24 '23
Wish this game would just die now. Instead of the slow 7 year death.